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Is Texas in the Rose Bowl?

Is it me, or did Texas lose its spot in the Rose Bowl? I was certain, at least for a while, that we were in the game. But lately, I'm not so sure. Little did I know, but USC isn't playing our beloved Longhorns in the Rose Bowl. They're playing the Houston Texans. Or the 2000 Miami Hurricanes. Or the cast and crew from Necessary Roughness.

I've got a suggestion for all the mainstream media writers out there who can't think of anything else to write about. Forget the Indianapolis Colts. Just write about Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart versus the 1972 Dolphins. It's not like USC's got an actual opponent in the Rose Bowl.

Could the USC Trojans beat the '72 Dolphins? Could they beat God, Jesus, and a team of 26 angels?

--PB--

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It's getting beyond the point of absurdity.  I haven't gone there this morning, but ESPN.com had a poll up last night asking people to rank the top 10 college football teams of all-time.

Their plan is to pit USC against each one of them to see where they rank among the all-time greats.  I could see them doing this last year on January 7 after that USC team actually won something, but isn't it a little premature to be doing it now?

by Jason Mayer on Dec 14, 2005 8:16 AM CST reply actions  

At least...
ESPN had the good sense to include the '69 Horns in the group of 10.

by Kahuna on Dec 14, 2005 8:18 AM CST reply actions  

Let's just hope USC is reading
their press clippings.

The pressure is all on USC. No team in the last 50 years has won an MNC with a defense ranked below 15th - and USC's is ranked 40th.
Texas rolls in with the highest scoring offense, 6th defense and top 10 in almost every other category.

How will that USC defense respond against the Texas O-line and Charles? When it is the 4th quarter and USC is sucking wind, how will they respond when VY doesn't see an open receiver and bolts for a 20 yard dash?

"To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"

by EYESofBEVO on Dec 14, 2005 8:44 AM CST reply actions  

Not Good...
First off this is just wildly inaccurate: "No team in the last 50 years has won an MNC with a defense ranked below 15th - and USC's is ranked 40th."

It took me all of five minutes to find on the NCAA's website that the 1999 Seminoles were ranked 19th in total defense, the 2002 Buckeyes were ranked 23rd, and the Trojans were ranked 30th in 2003. The NCAA only posts data from 1999, so I think it is safe to assume that there have been quite a few other national champions ranked below 15th in total defense.

Second, I am really trying to look at this objectively. I've gotta root for my Trojans but I grew up rooting for Texas, and I think VY is extremely talented, so this is difficult to say. I really think that Vince's reaction so far to the upcoming Rose Bowl shows he isn't handling the pressure put on him by the media very well.

It is difficult to deny that when the media has put increased pressure on Vince he has, more often than not (not that he hasn't had his momemnts), responded poorly.

1) 2004 Oklahoma (Finally, this is the year! Also of note this is the only time Vince has been an underdog as a starter)
2)2005 Texas A & M (go out there and win the Heisman!)

Yeah, there was some pressure for last year's Rose Bowl, but Texas was suppose to win that.

I'm not trying to fuel Burnt Orange Nation with USC quotes but I think Matt and Coach Carroll both had some very interesting responses to what Vince has been saying of late. (All of this is from insideusc.com)

Matt Leinart (on Vince Young being upset after the Heisman): "I just can't see where he's coming from, with all due respect, I think the votes spoke for themselves."

I think Vince is an incredible talent, and I love watching him, but step back for a moment, certainly that was the most crass response to losing the Heisman in my lifetime. I think you have to attribute it to the pressure being put on him, because the response really kinda did seem out of character. I think that pressure bodes poorly for UT.

Pete Carroll (on Longhorn comments in the media): "They talk like they ain't been here before."

I'm sure something disrespectful of Texas can be taken of this quote. I'd be looking for the same if I was a UT student or alum, but what I take from it is just an observation that the pressure, despite the media attention, despite the chance to go for history, isn't on my Trojans. They have proven themselves, they've been here before, they know what to expect from the hoopla and on the field.

The pressure is on the Longhorns, and certainly a way to deal with that anxiety and that pressure is to open your mouth and gab. I'm not taking offense with that, I just think for some guys that is a normal response...and we're seeing that with some Texas players. Maybe of concern though is that we're seeing it with VY, cause Rodrigue Wright can be off his game and Texas can win. Vince cn't let this pressure throw him off his game.

USC UTHSCSA

by txmed on Dec 14, 2005 10:04 AM CST reply actions  

re: not good
I have some real problems with this argument.
First, although  I do not agree with the way the Vince handled himself at the heisman ceremony, I am not sure this is a signe of pressure or a bad omen for Texas. If Kirk bohls thinks this is a good sign for Texas I have to think he has more interaction with Vince and a better grip on his Phsyche than either you or I.

Second, you list of Pressure games is rather suspect. I would say you have to include OSU (Texas was not favored as I recall) and Texas Tech this year (and maybe even OU) as well as Texas Tech and the Rose Bowl last year. Being a favorite does not mean there is not presssure, just the opposite. By limiting the sample you are skewing your argument. I can do the same for Leinart by choosing UCLA and ND.

As far as Matt Leinart's quote, it seems to me his desire to win is not a strong as Vince's, that is his problem not Vince.

Finally, if you actually believe that trying to be the first team ever to win three straight AP titles and being the favorite, does not put the pressure on USC you are very naive.

As far as Texas running thier mouth, I have not heard anyone say anything bad about USC. Rod Wright sayung he wants to dominate, is not a slight to USC. I am sure Reggie Bush wants to Dominate.

by billb on Dec 14, 2005 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Question??
Have none of you guys ever watched a Heisman ceremony before?
Vince isn't the first person to show a look of disappointment and he isn't going to be the last. Reading in to his body movements and facial expressions -- as a means to somehow predict the title game, is absurd. Why not pay a visit to a gipsy and have her read Tarrot cards?

I've had an acute interest in the Heisman for as long as I can remember. There have been all sorts of pre and post Heisman reactions.
Despite what Lou Holtz and other blabber mouths say, nothing was unusual about Vince's conduct. Someone needs to ask Holtz about Ishmail doing Heisman poses in the endzone when he was HC, if Holtz's feeble brain can even remember that far back.

Anyone being critical of VY is just stirring controversy for the sake of controversy.

"To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"

by EYESofBEVO on Dec 14, 2005 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Why its a slight...
"Rod Wright saying he wants to dominate, is not a slight to USC. I am sure Reggie Bush wants to Dominate."

The reason it IS a slight though is that Reggie (and USC as a team) isn't running to the press with it. They keep it internal and show respect for their opponent.

Texas may or may not win on the field, but currently they are not carrying themselves like the champions they wish to be.

by kidomaha on Dec 14, 2005 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Really?
What was the word a USC player used to describe UCLA players? I can't quite remember.

Oh ya, that's right, it was "punks". Until USC stops running it's mouth and pulls its starters in blow-outs before the 4th , USC fans need to shut up and sit down.

And exactly what is Texas supposed to say when asked if they will respond like OU last year?
"We'll curl up and cry" ???
Give me a break.

Rod Wright stating that he wants the defense to "dominate" is exactly what I want a player to say. Save the phony fluff talk for Wimbeldon.

"To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"

by EYESofBEVO on Dec 14, 2005 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually,
I believe the word he used was "pansies" but he may have used both.
Fight On, Beat the (insert Trojan oppoent here)!

by USCLink on Dec 14, 2005 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Txmed
Check those NCAA stats again. They are "POST" bowl game, not before the bowl game.

Either way, no team has ever won an MNC with a defense ranked that low.
That's the stone cold truth.

"To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"

by EYESofBEVO on Dec 14, 2005 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

On Statistics
I'm not trying to get into an argument. However, even if they're post bowl, it doesn't seem likely that Ohio St. gave up a not stellar, but reasonable, 360 yards in the Fiesta and then dropped AT LEAST 8 spots in the rankings. There have been teams, probably a good number of them, that have won with a defense worse than 15th.

That being the case, I really just have to hold off on believing that no team has won with a defense ranked 39th or worse. Or at least very near that ranking.

In any case, your first claim was kind of detremental to USC's chance. What you were saying is that USC was facing a monumental task in trying to win with such a lousy defense but, that top 15 claim not holding water, it actually appears that teams have won without, statistically speaking, a top tier defense. So, while our defense might be USC's biggest obstacle to an MNC, I think the numbers show that it is not a huge one, and certainly not an unclearable hurdle.

My last post on it.

USC UTHSCSA

by txmed on Dec 14, 2005 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

just to play devil's advocate...
I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute here.  I work with several sc guys, so I have gotten an earful on this topic of defense.

First of all, sc has had a lot of injuries on defense, and have dealt with a patchwork D all season.  They have also faced something like 5 of the top 20 offenses (statistically).  

And frankly, there is some legitimacy to that.  ucla had a highly ranked offense and the sc D completely shut them down.

At the same time, it's not just a cliche that defense wins championships, and other than the bad muthaf*ker scott ware, sc has plenty of weaknesses.

But the key point that I keep hearing is that with a month off, sc is going to get several key people back from injury.  Who?  I have no idea.
My point is only that sc folks will tell you that their defense is better than their ranking.

These same guys try to argue that the Horns' defense is similarly OVERRATED due to the weak offenses we have played.  That's the same argument people used when Ohio St beat Miami (someone already mentioned this).  It just doesn't fly.

EYESofBEVO, I have to side with the sc homer on this one- it doesn't matter if stats are pre or post bowl game.  I have a hard time believing that ohio st could WIN their bowl game and drop from the 15th D in the nation to 23rd, or sc from 15th to 30th in one game.  No way.  

As for all the smack talk flying around- get real.  Who cares if it is a slight on sc?  If they need bulletin board material to get up for the national championship game, then they have already lost.  

I have no problem with Vince and Wright talking smack.  I want the rest of the team looking at Young and thinking, damn, this guy KNOWS we are going to win.  I want every single player believing it.  sc is used to teams being scared of them.  We can't have that.

You CAN NOT go into this game scared.  The second you lose confidence this game is over.  

by Scott the bull Ware on Dec 14, 2005 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

Ok.. non-believers
Just to clarify, I heard the "50 year" stat on ESPN sports radio - and checked it out, to see if it held water. It's probably more like top 20 defenses, but the point still remains.

As far as believing, well that's not my problem. Football isn't like b-ball where bad games can absorb the average.
For example, before the UCLA/USC game the Bruins were 15th in total offense. Right now, they are 24th in total offense.
These things happen.

"To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"

by EYESofBEVO on Dec 14, 2005 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

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