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Rose Bowl Diary

A thought occurred to me today as I was mentally preparing myself for this big game. If Texas wins, a lot of pundits around the county are going to have to do some serious revisions to their analysis--not only of this season, but of all this "greatest ever" nonsense.

For one thing, you automatically have to pit the 2005 Texas Longhorns up there as one of the greatest of all time.

Then, and this is what really got me thinking, it will be time to start evaluating Vince Young... as perhaps the greatest collegiate quarterback of all time.

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With Oklahoma's victory over Oregon last night, the Big 12 improved to 3-1 in bowl game play. Considering that Colorado didn't have a coach or a quarterback, they didn't fare badly against Clemson at all. I'll be watching closely to see how the remaining Big 12 teams fare. If Texas Tech beats Alabama, it will be time to hush the Big 12 critics once and for all.

And then there's that Rose Bowl....

--PB--

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A good article on the Hype
http://www.slate.com/id/2133477/

Sums up the whole situation nicely.

by Wells on Dec 30, 2005 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

Won't happen.
Even if the horns beat SC (which they wont), no media person will eat crow for more than a nanosecond. So while they may stretch out the hype leading up to the game, they make a minor correction on Jan 5th and then move on to the next big event: the NFL playoffs.

As for whether VY deserves consideration of best ever, if he wins the rose bowl, goes undefeated next year and plays in the national title game then he'll have the same record as Matt and you can toss a coin. Until then, just like the greatest team ever talk that started in Miami last year, you can put it on hold.

Fight On! Beat the Longhorns!

by kidomaha on Dec 30, 2005 1:56 PM CST reply actions  

Texas Greatest Team Ever?
I gotta say, that Slate article is pretty stupid. Not that it doesn't point out the obvious that USC is being overhyped. That said, trying to find fault in the Trojans by looking at their PF - to - PA ratio? This year's team is almost on par, by Slate's own admittance, with last year's USC team. And last year's Orange Bowl performance may have been the most dominating national title game ever. Besides, USC plays in the most offensively sophisticated conference in the nation, no wonder they give up points. The article has a very shallow look at the situation.

However, as Slate points out, USC is basking in its glow from last year. They're being mentioned, ridiculously right now, as the greatest team ever as much on the strength of last year as this year.

For this reason, this UT team, if they win, will never get as much mention as the Trojans in the debate for the greatest team ever. However, even I will admit, especially if they win soundly, that maybe they should.

On the other hand if USC wins I think that we've witnessed the birth of, certainly the second, and arguably the #1 college dynasty of all time.

But VY as the best CFB QB ever? Matt Leinart deserves to be in this debate but even if Vince returns he probably cannot accomplish enough to deserve to be mentioned. Maybe if he comes back, improves his passing numbers (not that he isn't efficient but he probably does need to increase his passing yds and TDs to get more media attention), Texas wins two NCs in a row, and he wins a Heisman. But look at Matt: a Heisman trophy, 2 national championships, an incredible winning percentage as a starter (something VY obviously cannot match), returning for his Senior season, etc.

USC UTHSCSA

by txmed on Dec 30, 2005 5:17 PM CST reply actions  

Stupid
I guess VY could potentially catch Matt's winning percentage but it is dependent on Texas winning the Rose Bowl and Vince coming back.
USC UTHSCSA

by txmed on Dec 30, 2005 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

WRONG
I have to disagree with that comment, that if ut beats 'SC they have to automatically be considered as one of the best football teams ever.  Granted, it is a little premature to label 'SC the best ever; but ut has had one undefeated season (sure they have 19 wins) but 'SC has done that for two seasons almost three and not to mention 2 Championships.  

Let's not get too far of ourselves yet.

Tommy T.

by TommyT on Dec 31, 2005 2:26 AM CST reply actions  

This is the problem
There is a difference between team and Dynasty.  A distinction that none of the USC fans seem to get.  You are talking about Dynasty, which to match Texas would have to win this year and the next two years.
But the discusion he is team, one season, comparision.

by Wells on Dec 31, 2005 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

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