Another way to look at this season...

by krelldoggy on Nov 28, 2006 10:16 AM CST

I think if Vince stayed in school this team still misses the BCS championship game. I'd be interested in what the rest of the board thinks about that scenario.

In fact, I think if Vince had stayed he would have been screwed out of another Heisman by Troy Smith having a great year on a better team. We would have had the probably the greatest college player of all time with no Heismans and only last year's championship to show for it. And we would be just starting the QB process for next year.

Instead UT has a budding star at QB with three years left to offset the defensive rebuilding needed and another great recruiting class coming in.

Not so bad...

krl

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no way,

we would have beaten Ohio State if VY stayed. No way. It was close the whole game with Colt and no healthy Terell Brown. We would be back to back champions, no doubt.

by kicker @ Burnt Orange Nation on Nov 28, 2006 10:39 AM CST reply actions

Who let the crazy guy in?

Seriously, if VY had come back and stayed injury free, I can't say with 100% certainty that UT would be playing for the title again, but I can with about 99.9%.

And he would have won the Heisman because UT would have most likely defeated tOSU and Troy Smith at home with VY and because the voters felt so guilty after dissing him last year.

I'm sure people will always wonder what if, but I think most of us will always just be glad to have had VY as long as we did and to have won the title period.

by 54b on Nov 28, 2006 10:43 AM CST reply actions

Vy Staying/TJ Staying

I honestly believe we would have won the basketball title in what would have been TJ's junior year and similarly feel that Texas would be playing for a second straight MNC if VY had stayed. Two other worldly talents who made everyone around them better and lifted their teams to heights unseen previously or at least not seen in a long time.

by FWHORN on Nov 28, 2006 10:50 AM CST reply actions

Did you see any games last year?

VY has the will to win. Perfect example: Last Sunday against the Giants. Oh yeah, the Giants are an NFL team. Anyone here want to give credit to the Titans for supporting VY? No. Everyone has said that VY would have had a much better year had he had any support at all.

By the way, those are the best of the best he is playing against. Not just D1 players that may not make it to the pros. If the entire OSU lineup makes it to the pros, maybe I'll recant my statement. But I doubt that will happen.

The OSU game would have been drastically different.
VY would have found a way to pull out another 7 points or so against K-State.
And he certainly would have scored more than 7 against a&m.

So, yeah. I think we would have won back to back without a doubt. Vince would have won the Heisman. The only thing that wouldn't have changed much (if any) is his draft stock. How can you get much higher than #3?

If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable.

by GoHorns on Nov 28, 2006 11:06 AM CST reply actions

the truth is somewhere in between

the last i checked, vy, as transcendent a talent as he is, doesn't play defense. the osu defense is marginally better than our defense.with vy, however, i think our offense would be better, bt only marginally so, because that osu offense is one well-oiled machine. vy is a far superior athlete and runner, but man does troy smith look smooth throwing the ball. College Football News,at the beginning of the year, opined that vy returning would turn the horns into this decade's version of '95 nebraska. After watching the season play out, i dont think so. texas probably beats osu but not by a big margin.

by mento on Nov 28, 2006 11:07 AM CST reply actions

the shit fell apart this year

because we didnt have leadership as soon as McCoy went down in the K-State game. If VY played in that game we would have scored from the 30 yard line and not had to punch it in 2 times. The A&M game was a complete leadership abortion. Our big separation play (Limas'leaping TD in the endzone, which was a fucking touchdown and I don't want to hear otherwise)stymied our momentum and the agros slowed the game down to molasses pace by doing just enough every 3rd down. Once again, we just didnt have the VY-type emotional leadership to elevate out of that aggie quagmire in the second half. Those are the games you will get caught in, especially in the Big 12 where you need someone to elevate above all the inferiority complexes that are traps in the conference.
On a related note...
Basically tOSU was given a championship (if they win) by the rest of college football, which as a whole, was down this year (Big East teams in the top 10?). Are you telling me that this years tOSU team could beat USC or UT from last year? I think not.

by kicker @ Burnt Orange Nation on Nov 28, 2006 12:38 PM CST reply actions

You picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

The only way we are NOT in the Big XXII Championship game, undefeated, and averaging less than 60 pts a game with VY still on the team, is if VY lost both of his legs in a motorcycle accident with Ben Rothlesburger.

by Hornbud on Nov 29, 2006 8:06 AM CST reply actions