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Let's start with the biggest news from last night, which came via a diary from orangeblood1, in which a Houston Chronicle story was linked to. Within that article, we learn that Aldine forward Gary Johnson - Texas' biggest 2008 hoops recruit - committed to the Horns in part because Kevin Durant said he'd play with Johnson a year at Texas:

Smith said one of the factors in Johnson heading to the Longhorns was that Texas superstar Kevin Durant told him he would stay two years at the school.

The 6-foot-9 Durant, who is only a freshman, is projected to be the No. 2 pick in the upcoming NBA draft, according to reports from ESPN.

"Durant told Gary he would stay and play a year with him," Smith said. "I think Gary could leave after one year, too. No more than two."

Honestly, I'm afraid to say anything, because if there's any truth to it - shit, I don't wanna jinx it. Standard warnings: the quote did, in fact, come from the coach. Not Johnson. And, objectively, there's absolutely nothing for KD to gain by staying another year.

Except college basketball glory.  Which is all that counts. Right, Kevin? Right?!

Sticking with recruiting news, but switching over to football, Rivals is reporting that Dallas Skyline cornerback Christian Scott will make his official visit to Ausitn on January 19th. The four-star prospect has also taken official visits to Oklahoma, LSU, Oklahoma State, and Texas A&M. It's too bad these kids don't just choose by quality of life: how the hell could Baton Rouge, College Station, Norman, and Stillwater compete with Austin?

I hope you never get tired of reading about Vince Young.

Because I never get tired of talking about him.  We'll keep today's note short: Bomani Jones thinks VY ought to be 2006's Athlete Of The Year. I agree. (Duh.)

Chip Brown notes that Frank Okam will seek a draft projection grade prior to this year's draft. I'll note, though, that this doesn't mean Okam will leave. After his injury-riddled 2006 campaign, Okam's draft stock has plummeted. At this point, he'd probably be a third or fourth round pick. He could rocket up into the first round easily with a big 2007 season. Here's to hoping.

--PB--

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It just can't happen
Even if KD didn't declare at the end of this season, he would probably end up getting struck by lightning in the offseason.  It just wouldn't be fair to the rest of the country to bring a team like that to the fold.  Something will happen to prevent this dream team of ours from becoming reality.  

This team with another year of experience + Gary Johnson... anything less than a national title would be a dissapointment.

by txengineer on Dec 28, 2006 1:42 AM CST reply actions  

Limas Sweed also
Intends on getting a draft grade, though he also says he's returning.

"I may do it just to see, it would be more of a curiosity type thing."

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/longhorns/entries/2006/12/26/sweed_se t_to_stay_for_senior_season.html

by orangeblood1 on Dec 28, 2006 7:31 AM CST reply actions  

great article
That was a great article on Vince.  I know I never I get tired of hearing or reading about him.  I don't know that there will be another athlete that I will love as much as I love Vince.

by Jason Mayer on Dec 28, 2006 8:29 AM CST reply actions  

KD
I'm not going to say that he won't stay but don't hold your breath. He is the consensus #2 pick in mock NBA drafts. He would get a guaranteed three yr contract, if I'm not mistaken, and immedaiately be a millinoaire. Other than putting on some weight, his game is NBA ready.

Having said that, the safe money was on him choosing North Carolina or UConn last year and instead he came to Austin. So, maybe KD will give us another present at the end of this season.

Head out to the Drum tonight. He may not be here long.

--AW--

by awiggo on Dec 28, 2006 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

Q for Wiggo
Why do you think KD chose UT over the other traditional college hoops powers?

I love the talent Barnes brings in, but if they leave before the team ever really gets a chance to gel, is it necessarily a good thing.

Obviously, Carmelo proved what you can do with one good year, but I think the Horns made it to the final four a few years back because TJ Ford stayed for 3 years and had a chance to bond with a solid supporting cast.

I love the all-world talent, but sometimes I think it would be better to get the good players that'll be here for at least 3 years in order to make some deeper runs in March.

That may be unrealistic with the current state of college basketball, but if you're constantly building your team around a guy who will only be here for one or two years, you'll never get a chance to field a team with a legit shot at the title.

 

by 54b on Dec 28, 2006 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

my opinion...
is that you have to build your team around a combination of types of players.  you have your 4-year guys (like Royal Ivey, Buckman, Abrams) who are good and might have pro potential, but who are never going to be good enough to leave early.  Then you sprinkle in a few 2-3 year guys (like Daniel Gibson, TJ Ford, DJ Augustin), and then go after a one and done-type player every year.

You never want a team of 3 or 4 one and dones.  You'll never get any consistency like that.  But if you can get a special player like KD, you don't turn him down.  Especially when the rest of your team has experience playing together.

This year is a bad example because EVERYONE is new, but imagine next year even if KD goes pro.  You've got everyone else back plus this Gary Johnson kid.  Everyone's been together a year plus then you add in a huge superstar playmaker.  And by the time Augustin and maybe Mason leave early after 2 or 3 years, you've got other 2-3 year players there to take their places and the 4-year players to keep it all together.

by billyzane on Dec 28, 2006 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Good Q
I think there are a couple of reasons he chose Texas.
  1. Durant has said a couple of times that he wanted to really establish the basketball program and become synonmous with that program. Frankly, UNC and UConn simply have had too much success. Their programs are too storied. Gay, Hamilton, Okafor, Gordon, etc. at UConn; Jordan, Worthy, Jamison, Carter, Wallace, etc at Carolina.
  2. Texas was the first school to ever send him a recruiting letter. The Texas staff stayed with him throughout high school and were rewarded for their efforts.
  3. He could be the man. Even if Tucker and Gibson had stayed, he would have been the best player and the featured player from game one. Given the early departures Carolina and Connecticut felt this probably would have been the case at both of those schools also, but it was more likely at Texas.
  4. Coach Barnes. I have never heard one recruit say anything negative about Barnes. They know he is going to be a hard ass. He is going to break the players down before building them back up. But I've never heard even a rumor about a recruit not relating to Barnes or to any of the other coaches on his staff.
As far as whether KD coming to Texas is a good thing. I can't scream YES loud enough. He may very well be a one and done player but that is ok. Without him, Texas would probably struggle to make the NCAA tournament. With him, they have to be considered one of about thirty teams capable of winning it all.

With the switch in the rule by the NBA requiring players to play at least one year in college, you are going to see lots and lots of one and done guys. I am on the side of recruiting the most talented players possible, enjoying their skills for a year, hopefully making a title run, and then doing it all over again with another talented class the next year. The teams with upperclassmen are not going to be the Carolinas, Arizonas, Floridas, and Kansass. They are going to be the mid majors with seasoned players who exceed expectations by playing together as a team. That is what makes March so exciting. Who can ride their young talent to the title vs. who has a team of individuals who together are stronger than any of them are individually?

I see your point but respectfully disagree. Even if Durant leaves (which I expect as do most people), Texas will have six sophomores and at least three stud freshman coming in next season. We will again be title contenders.

I can't wait to see how far Durant takes us this year but I won't be disappointed when he leaves.

--AW--

by awiggo on Dec 28, 2006 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, re: TJ
TJ Ford only gave us two years, sadly. He was national player of the year as a sophomore, took us to the final four, and -wanted- to come back as a junior. His scary neck injury forced him to declare, though.

I don't blame him at all, though it's too bad he couldn't come back for one more year. That team - Ford, Boddicker, Thomas, Mouton, and Ivey - would have won the national title.

by Peter Bean on Dec 28, 2006 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm wit ya
That makes sense and to Billy's point above, a lot of what we're seeing right now has to do with the fact that they're all freshmen this year and that won't always be the case.

But as a group, I think we're still talking out of both sides of our mouths a bit. On one hand, let's get the best talent in here to see what happens regardless of whether they're one and done and on the other we're saying if TJ had only stayed, we'd have won the whole thing.

Hopefully KD will take us deep in the tourny this year and give the rest of the guys something to build on for next year.

Thanks for opinions.

by 54b on Dec 28, 2006 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Naa
The talk about TJ is moot, because we never would have made it to the final four if he did not come at all.

by Wells on Dec 28, 2006 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but...
We never would have made it to the final four if he'd left for the NBA after his Freshman or Sophomore years either.

by 54b on Dec 28, 2006 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Hypothetically
You are Rick Barnes and you have a choice between Greg Ogdon and Mat Hill this year, are you saying Hill is the better choice?

by Wells on Dec 28, 2006 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

With or without the Fro
No question, Greg Ogdon, but that's because he'll most likely be better as a Freshman than Mat Hill will ever be in college.

But to win a title, I still think you're going to have to find a superstar that sticks around for at least a couple of years.

Regardless, I'd never advocate turning away talent for fear that they may leave after one year.

by 54b on Dec 28, 2006 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

VY Also Yahoo Sports Story of the Year
Well, the Texas win in the Rose Bowl anyway. But it's definetly a VY love-fest too.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AnsxcSwfgXkf7frwwfDMYtA5nYcB?slug=dw-storyofyear122706&pro v=yhoo&type=lgns

Starting in January 2007, just another Limey Longhorn

by patienthornsfan on Dec 28, 2006 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

This probably belongs in a diary
but has anyone been paying attention to the Raptors lately?

TJ Ford has been flat out amazing. He's carried the team on his back since Bosh has been out and averaging over 20 points and almost double digit assists a night. They put the ball in his hands at the end of games and he delivers.

To top it off PJ Tucker is establishing himself as a legit player by contributing a few double doubles himself.
Check out this Q&A:
http://www.thestar.com/article/164373

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Dec 28, 2006 9:54 AM CST reply actions  

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