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Vince's Fragile Future

Ian, from Sexy Results, has (as usual) a very sharp take on, among other things, the ridiculous Jay Cutler salivation/Vince Young bashing we're hearing in the media these days. I'll encourage you to read the entire post, which you can find here, but maybe the most interesting bit was his argument for why the New Orleans Saints might be wise to buck the NFL trend of running minor variations on the same offense and snag Vince with the second pick.

But ironically, this might make Vince Young a more ideal #2 draft choice, because the Saints can most accurately be described as "starting from scratch." Of course, I imagine they'll take Matt Leinart just to make the inevitable move to L.A. that much smoother, but the Saints have a unique opportunity. With the way their roster stands right now, they could probably try to recreate the Longhorns style of offense without really sacrificing too much of what they currently have.

It's an interesting argument, and gets to the most important aspect of evaluating Vince Young. His success, it seems to me, is going to be very much married to the willingness of the team that drafts him to take full advantage of his particular talent set. Trying to force him in to the usual NFL offensive mold might be a square peg-round hole disaster that will lead to Young being a "bust" or being forced to change positions.

Again, it's like we said when the whole Wonderlic thing broke out: if an NFL team can't figure out how to win with Vince Young, we'll have a true sign of intelligence failure.

--PB--

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Fortunately, the tide seems to be turning...
More and more major columnists are coming to Vince's defense.  I'm sure NFL GM's are not really as worked up about all this as us fans are.

Here's a good one:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=tb-vince030306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Patience Wearing Thin

by patienthornsfan on Mar 3, 2006 8:58 PM CST reply actions  

Dear New Orleans Saints,
Vince Young is awful.  Please do not take him, even if he is still around in the 7th round.  
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Dear Texans,

Vince Young is amazing.  If you don't draft him and he falls to the Titans, you will have the oportunity to watch him beat you twice a year, including during your only sell out crowd at Reliant Stadium each season.  

P.S.  If the Saints try to trade up for your pick, don't do it.

by Lincoln on Mar 3, 2006 10:16 PM CST reply actions  

His future certainly isn't fragile but..
it does hang in a delcate balance.

I've been pretty honest in saying here and on other blogs that I think VY will have a successful NFL career. Success can be a Super Bowl ring or a Hall of Fame career. Obviously both would be the ultimate.  Anything less than those three would not spell success in my eyes, and certainly not in Vince's.

While 2 months have passed since the Rose Bowl I've put that tough loss behind me and feel that I have a pretty objective opinion of Vince Young.  His performance in the RB has shown to many people, including me, that he probably should have won the Heisman.  While that's my opinion I really can't back it up with facts.

I heard on the radio earlier this week that a lot of the negative press on VY has been because most of the press was on the SC bandwagon.  I think there may be some truth to that. The media has always shown to be fickle and this is their way covering their collective butts.

That being said, it is also easy for VY fans to get their back up when they feel he has been disrespected.  Weather you agree with it or not the Wonderlic test is a part of the process. The concept may be flawed and it SHOULD be revaluated as a tool in assessing a player's intelligence, but until that happens it is a part of the process.  It might not matter to us if he got a 6 or 16 on the test but to those who are evaluating him it does matter.  I believe I heard that 95% of all QB's who received a 25 or better had successful NFL careers, so the test obviously has some merit but it shouldn't carry that much weight.  Personally the only  "test" I need are the tapes of LAST 2 Rose Bowl Games.

But here's the rub to me. I understand the sentiment, but have trouble agreeing with the "true sign of intelligence failure" line.  Change in the NFL is a slow process and it will take a real visionary to let Vince be Vince.  

Who is that visionary?  

Is it within the new youth movement in the NFL or will it be an old dog that is able to learn new tricks?  Mangini of the Jets comes to mind as the former. Chow of the Titans comes to mind as the latter.  The team that drafts him will get a real treasure and using the full extent of his talent should be a measured process. It can't and won't happen overnight.  Any other way would put Vince at risk for failure or serious injury.

Vince's biggest disadvantage isn't a test or his throwing motion but rather his extraordinary talent.  You can't categorize it in to any one category.  Again, it will take someone with real vision to take full advantage of it.

I would not see it as bad thing if Vince dropped a few spots in the first round.  He might get to a better team with better protection and who won't have the sense of urgency to get him into the game right away.  

Pushing VY to perform right away might be counter productive in the long run and isn't it more important that we get to watch perform his magic over the long haul? I do, I'm willing to wait a year or two of Vince carrying the clipboard to really see him flourish in the league.

Fight On!

by Paragon SC on Mar 3, 2006 10:38 PM CST reply actions  

doubt it
Paragon, good post.  I have one question though.  What was the source of this:  "I believe I heard that 95% of all QB's who received a 25 or better had successful NFL careers, so the test obviously has some merit but it shouldn't carry that much weight."

I'm not doubting that you actually heard this, but I'm pretty skeptical of that percentage.  I'm doubting your source.  I'm sure there is some correlation between test and performance, but it couldn't be this close.

by Kool Hand on Mar 6, 2006 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry it took so long..
I heard it on the radio I believe on ESPN or Sporting News Radio and I can't remember who said it. I too was skeptical of that number. I agree that a qoute like that gives the test too much weight.
Fight On!

by Paragon SC on Mar 11, 2006 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Sound familiar?
It was just Monday that I made this comment:

Offensive genius

"To get the most out of Young an NFL team is going to have to build an offense around him. You would think that anyone would want to take advantage of his skills -- his running ability is like having an extra back and his ability to work free for the pass sets up all sorts of deep routes."

However, most every offensive coordinator has a pet 'system' that got him his job. Many did not design their own systems but just coached on a team that had one. They had much rather plug a new quarterback into an established system than retool the offense at the same time as breaking in a rookie quarterback."

So the question is what team can find the courage to make the changes necessary to utilize Young's talent? For a while there it looked like Houston might, but fear of failure seems to have done them in. New Orleans -- maybe. Tennessee -- probably. Niners -- hmmm. But not the stiffs who want to play it safe."

You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy. --Charles Manson

by Caradoc on Mar 4, 2006 12:00 AM CST reply actions  

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