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Bad Super Bowl

This looks like a bad matchup. I would have loved to see Reggie vs. The Dynasty or Peyton "I invented the Choke" Manning. No one cares about Da Bears. I will still root for them because of Ced and Nathan and the fact that Peyton is a douche.

Its a bad Super Bowl. The Colts will probably blow them out if they don't turn the ball over like the Saints. I'm sorry but Rex Grossman sucks. All the Saints had to do was hang on to the football and give Reggie tbe ball and they would win.

Instead they shot themselves in the foot with killer penalties and fumbles. They gave Da Bears 13 points ridiculous.

The only interesting aspect of this game is two former stud Horns Ced and Nathan. Still Cedric Benson is really good and i don't understand why he doesn't get more carries.

We all love Nathan Vasher (including me) but he is kind of overrated. He is more a product of Da Bears scheme then anything else. Vasher is a solid player but not great. Reggie Bush is going to be the face of the NFL with VY in two years. Him and VY are going to be doing the commercials instead of Peyton Manning in a couple of years.

Some people will say he only had one good play but it was fucking amazing. Those are the kind of plays that people said he wouldn't be able to do in the NFL. As Chris Berman would say "Whoop!!" excellent player.

The Colts got so lucky on that offensive pass interference. Refs don't call that the game is over. What a ticky tacky call. You don't call that in a playoff game. Still the Pats choked and thats it.

Tom Brady is the best QB hands down. What a clutch player. Jabar Gaffney is his go to guy and thats all i have to say. It should have been  Patriots and Saints or rematch of Super Bowl 20.

Prediction 28-10 for the Colts.

Another yawnfest like last year and Peyton (i hate that guy) gets the monkey of his chest.

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To elaborate
Do you really think the Saints would fare any better against the Colts?  There's a reason why the Bears won 13 games this season, and it isn't because Rex carried them on his shoulders.  Just because it's the playoffs doesn't mean that the Bears defense becomes an irrelevant point.  The Bears completely destroyed the Saints with their more physical play.  Don't you think there is a reason that one of the best QB's in the league couldn't get a pass of this D?  

In their last game of the season (I think it was the Monday night game) they showed that the Bears won six of their last seven.  Why?  Because of their defense.  There are two sides of this game, and the defense doesn't just disappear in the playoffs.

How is Tom Brady the best QB hands down?  How was Peyton Manning any less clutch today than Brady?  From what you're saying, I would have thought that Brady just led them down the field for a TD in the last minute of the game. Did that happen?  Did I turn off the TV too early?

If you are going to go by what the talking heads have been saying all along, then all four of the division winners in the AFC should murder any of the NFC division leaders.  Wasn't the Colts run D too bad to be anything more than a one and done team?  Wasn't Rex supposed to sink the Bears?  Weren't LT and the Chargers supposed to be the second coming of the 98 Broncos?  Before you jump to conclusions (sorry, you already have), this game is far from over.  I've seen the Colts collapse when Peyton is getting pressured and hurried, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen in two weeks.  To quote the old cliche, this is why they play the games.

For the record, I'm a born and raised Colts fan.

by whoopspat on Jan 22, 2007 12:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Regarding the "goodness" of this SB
I don't think anyone outside of the Boston area wants to see the Patriots play in another Super Bowl.  Except maybe Gaffney's legions of fans.  Wait...

by whoopspat on Jan 22, 2007 12:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

or... best Super Bowl this decade
Let's see, the NFL's best offense vs the NFL's best defense.  The monkey-off-their-backs Colts vs the who-else-is-nostalgic-for-1985 monsters of the midway.  You're right.  Nobody wants to watch that.  

You've got to be kidding me.  This is legitimately the first Super Bowl I've been interested in years.  

You know, you don't have to publish ALL of your thoughts.  This would have been a good opportunity for you to have practiced discursive restraint.

by BrooklynHorn on Jan 22, 2007 12:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agree and disagree
Agree: this IS a very interesting Super Bowl. It really is.

Disagree: I'm glad we've got a thread up on the matchup. Even if you don't agree with dvehabovic, I'm pleased he posted on the topic so we can all chat about it.

by Peter Bean on Jan 22, 2007 1:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What's to chat about?

I'm with Brooklyn. The stupid posting prevents any meaningful discussion about the game.  I would have liked Saints in the superbowl, but I can't find a thing to agree with dv.

by longhornie on Jan 22, 2007 3:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I-65
It's like a subway series except it's 150 miles of I-65.  It'll be fun to see an Illinois-Indiana Super Bowl.  

by Bob LaBlog on Jan 22, 2007 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Grossman sucks
If you watched the game Grossman made one good throw. That throw at end of the first have to clark. The other throw was a prayer that he threw up to Berrian or the other scrub reciever.

Its not an interesting matchup because no one likes either of the teams. Who cares outside of Chicago about Da Bears and Peyton is just the same old stoic guy who doesn't get emotional.

I think people enjoy the fact that he deosn't succeed. He isn't Dan Marino because people like Dan and Dan doesn't throw his teammates under the bus a la Peyton.

The country is not sick of the Patriots even though if they made against the Saints i would root against them but people like them because they win with scrubs like Gaffney and Reche "I can't catch the ball" Caldwell.

Its going to be a rout either way. The best matchup would have been Saints Colts. It would have been who ever has the ball last wins. This game is going to be a blowout for one side. I'm leaning towards the Colts because Grossman is bad and he will need to make plays and that won't happen.

Vince Young is a beast.

by txlonghorn on Jan 22, 2007 6:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Benson and Vasher
will be the only reason I'll be watching.

Side note: give Dvehabovic a break, some of us might agree with most of his thoughts. Vasher fits in well with that system, but he's not a star in the pro's like he was in college.

The post wasn't "stupid" but some of the attacks are. Ya'll are attacking him insteasd of his post, get real.

If "Brazos" wasn't such a prick, most of his posts made you think outside the box. We all got pissed at Brazos, but we hoped he'd post something.

I like reading all the posts, even Basketball,
but you won't see me personally attacking a comment, I'll attack the subject.

Hook,em '69

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Jan 22, 2007 8:44 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I meant "commentor"
Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Jan 22, 2007 9:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll say it again
The hatred for Peyton Manning is ridiculous.  As for the Super Bowl, any of the potential matchups that would have resulted after this past weekend were going to be intriguing.  But I would love to see both Manning and Dungy get the win just so we can stop hearing the needless criticism of both of them.

by Jason Mayer on Jan 22, 2007 9:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I really think both
Dungy and Manning deserve a Super Bowl, but I want Vasher and Benson standing on the stage holding the trophy over their heads giving  the world "Hook'em"......
Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Jan 22, 2007 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I kinda want
The colts to win just so the media will just shut up about them not being able to win the big one.

Although it would be fun to see Benz and Vasher play key roles to win a ring.

...til Gabriel blows his horn

by BigTexBD on Jan 22, 2007 10:33 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I dont know
if we should label this post "I hate Peyton Manning", "I hate Rex Grossman" or "I hate the NFL in general".  Lots of hatin' goin on.  

In terms of the games, I think you play that NFC game in NO, the Saints win.  Yes the Bears played well, capitalized on Turnovers and played mistake-free football, but I just felt the Saints would win this game if it wasn't played in "german chocolate cake". The field conditions were atrocious, it was freezing, everyone was slipping around, i.e. Chicago's home field advantage was a true advantage this year.  The Saints are a team that relies on speed and timed execution, this was impossible at Soldier.  But Da Bears played a great game and I refuse to take anything away from them.  Zero penalties/4 forced turnovers! Excellent execution of a game plan.  The Bears win in spite of Grossman most times, but I think he had his best drive of the year there in the 3rd Q.  I also believe Da Bears are the only NFC team that could actually hang with the Colts because of their defense, so I am happy with this matchup.  I also feel good for Manning.  I don't understand why people hate him so much.  I like Manning for the same reasons I like Mack Brown.  They are good citizens, nice fellows, who were labeled soft and "couldn't win the big one", and ended up proving everyone wrong.  I like that storyline way better than another New England Super Bowl.  Manning is an amazing passer and would have had an even better game if NE hadn't played such spectacular defense in the secondary.  Their CB's played -tough- football.  What a weekend!  

by kicker on Jan 22, 2007 10:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not enough of a purist...
...to be hugely interested in this match-up. I don't care about either of the teams at all*, but I'll end up watching because it's the last (real) game for the 2006 season.

*Unless you count my irrational dislike of Rex Grossman's eyebrows and Brian Urlacher in general.

by DC Trojan on Jan 22, 2007 2:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why the hatred for Peyton?
There is a lot of hate out there for Peyton, but I don't get it.

If you love the field general, smart QB, a la Major and Colt, then why would you hate Peyton, who is the ultimate field general.  I love watching him play, because he is so good at reading the D and changing the play at the line.

He is not a flashy guy off the field, but does come off as a genuine nice guy.  And for all of you dorky people out there, he should be your hero.  This guy is the biggest dork there is, and is running a pro football team and has a hot ass wife.

by Wells on Jan 22, 2007 2:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's not the dorks that hate him...
...I think it's the jocks, frat boys, and wannabe bad asses that hate him...most likely because he is a dork.  Something primal I guess.  

by Hornbud on Jan 22, 2007 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Easy killer
There's no reason to go joining the trench coat mafia on us...as an ex-jock, ATO, and of course, wannabe bad ass, let me just say on behalf of my fellow mouth breathers that I happen to like Peyton Manning and was so excited about his impending trip to the Super Bowl, that I gave three nerds in the I.S. an Atomic Wedgie when I got to work this morning.

As for explaining the underlying motivators for joining the Peyton-Hatin' Fan Clu...I'm gonna go Tabula Rasa on your "nature" theorizing ass and say they were abused children with unresolved Oedipal issues. In other words, the synapses are firing just fine, it's the butt plug that's failing.

Go Colts!

by 54b on Jan 22, 2007 6:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I figured
I'd ruffle a feather or two with that.  Let me esplain, cuz I didn't do a good job the first time.  I should have inserted the term "High School mentality" at the beginning of that or somewhere in there somehow.  Folks that have that HS menatlity about jocks/frats/wanabes, whether they are 14 or 41, are the ones, generally speaking, that have a hate towards dear Peyton.  

for example: DV.  I would classify him the HS wannabe badass catagory, and was thus, the inspiration for the post.  

by Hornbud on Jan 22, 2007 6:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I dislike him
because living in Knoxville, I hear about him nonstop and how he's such a great QB to which my only defense is, "but he sucks when it counts" and I'd like to keep that rationale
41-38

by inVINCEable on Jan 22, 2007 10:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good enough
Kind of like my dislike of Elway during my time in Boulder.  Not that I really disliked him, but I was just tired of how much everyone loved him, plus he held out a year because he did not like the team that drafted him.

by Wells on Jan 23, 2007 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you want to know why?
One because up until yesterday he choked in big games. Also it is the fact that all he does is prepare for the game. I personally hate when he does that audible crap at the line of scrimmage.

Just hike the fucking ball. Another aspect is the fact that he threw his teammates under the bus last year. How classeless. You want to talk about nice guy. Has Tom Brady ever said "my oline sucked"? No Hell David Carr who should be saying that hasn't.

Another is the fact that he is a dork and that there is no swagger to him. I'm maybe ridiculed for this but i like T.O. and i'm not saying that Peyton should be that but have some on the field flare or exuberence like Tom Brady.

Vanderjacoff said it right Peyton doesn't care. Tom Brady does Brett Favre does Chad Pennington does and other good qbs do.

Thats why i hate Peyton.

I don't really hate Grossman its just the fact that he is bad and they are in the Super Bowl while Drew Brees is not. Its also because no matter how bad he plays Da Bears bail him out.

Grossman is kind of like Nate Hybl or Josh Heupel guys that alwasy beat us but had shitty as games. Hybl threw some of the worst picks ever but they win the game.

Vince Young is a beast.

by txlonghorn on Jan 22, 2007 4:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I still don't get it
The choking in big games comment seems to be a rub because he is the son of Archie and not his own performance.  I don't think he has come into these games and just fallen apart, he just happened to have to play against a very good Pats team for the past couple of years.

I would agree with you that it was pretty classless to throw he o-line under the bus, but then you follow it up with the fact that you like TO.  That is like saying I hate Mussolini because he was a fascist, but that Hitler guy new what he was doing.  TO not only threw entire teams under the bus, but has claimed that one QB he played with was gay and called the other one a bitch.  He is team cancer and you can't get over one bad statement by Peyton?

I dont think that you have to have off the field swagger to be a good QB.  What you need in on the field confidence and leadership, which Peyton seems to have plenty of.

Vanderjack is a kicker and if you want to talk about choke artists look no further.  To say the QB who probably does more preparation than any other in the league does not care is ridiculous, but I don't expect any more from a kicker.

by Wells on Jan 22, 2007 4:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"just hike the fucking ball"?
You hate him because he audibles?  That's insanity.  And you like TO because of his, as you call it "swagger"?  I guess "swagger" is one way to put it, but another, and I like to refer to this as the accurate description is: contemptuous assclown who can't live without attention.  

by Hornbud on Jan 22, 2007 5:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
I was a Cowboys fan from day one. Way back when I'd pick on 3 alternate teams to fill my football void when needed. I picked the Colts, Browns, and Saints. These teams were picked due to the fact they rarely won a game and rarely clashed with the Cowboys. Things have since changed. I still root for them when the Cowboys are not playing or are done (like Right now)

Naturally, I was hoping for a Saints Colts matchup. However, the Bears and the Colts are going to be great. I am looking forward to this one. In years past I could care less and just bet on the game to give it some interest.

As for Peyton Manning, I'm with Kicker and Wells. He seems to be a good, smart, dorky, nice guy. More of a QB than most. He runs that offense from the field and he's a true leader out there. I like him. Hell, he even does pretty damn good in commercials.

Destroyer!

by DestroyerUT on Jan 22, 2007 4:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

T.O.
Listen i don't care what T.O. does off the field. Its what you do on the field that matters to me. Yeah, you may call me low and that crap but thats me. As long you are not a murder or rapist i could fucking care less.

T.O. hasn't gotten in trouble with the law unlike other players that people still love. Its between the lines that count. T.O. never takes plays off, he always gives it his all and almost won a Super Bowl on one leg. If that was Tom Brady or Jerry Rice that would have gone up their with the Knicks was it Willis Reed. But since it is the cancer T.O. it was forgetten.

I like T.O. because the man can play ball, talks trash and is pretty funny. I don't understand why he doesn't do commericals. Yeah he is a locker room cancer but the only people that have had a problem with him is the qb and coach. Have you ever heard of another player complaining about T.O. besides Chunky Soup McNabb and the gay guy Jeff Garcia (i know a rat when i see one) hilarious and the fat ass coach?

Exactly. McNabb was the one that ate to much Chunky Soup before the Super Bowl and got tired while T.O. was busting his ass on one leg. He did have a subpar season but it was still a good season. There are maybe a couple of recievers that i would take over him.

Peyton doesn't have confidence and team leadership. The "confidence" that Colts and Peyton have is running it up the middle and playing for OT. Thats your confidence. They were trying to center the ball instead of winning the game.

Of course everybody is going to say that it was peyton checking off my ass he didn't want to choke and be blame for the loss. If it wasn't for a penalty that never gets called (offensive pass interfernce on Troy Brown you kidding me that happens like a million times in a game) and the roughing the passer.

Last time i checked you can hit the qb. Its simple Peyton Manning is going to choke in Super Bowl 41 and thats it. Da Bears are going to win.

Vince Young is a beast.

by txlonghorn on Jan 22, 2007 6:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Your initial prediction lasted a whole 18 hours.

On TO, whole teams have called him out as a problem, not just the QB and the coach.  The reason he does not do commercials is that he has a horrible public image that would not translate well into marketability and is a huge risk.  The odds of him being a no show at the shoots are too high to risk on someone who the public does not even like.  

"If that was Tom Brady or Jerry Rice that would have gone up their with the Knicks was it Willis Reed."

What the hell are you trying to say?  That seems completely unintelligible to me.

I don't think TO was giving it his all this season, it seemed to me like he was going through the motions to get paid.  His drive and play on the field was the last thing that TO had going for him, and he lost that this year.  To be the disruptive force that he is he has to be the best at his position.  Just being an above average #1 receiver is not enough to out weigh TO's bad side.

Your argument is really hypocritical when you say that it is on the field play that counts, but were criticizing Payton for his off the field comments, I don't know if you don't see that or are just not thinking before you write.

You list one play, of which you have no idea what the thinking of Peyton or the coaching staff was, as your proof that Peyton lacks confidence and team leadership.
That is not enough if we were just talking about that game, but Peyton has won multiple MVP awards, put up incredible stats, from all accounts is very respected around the league and by his team, the only voice of dissension is from a kicker who was trying to find an excuse for his own choking.  The biggest strike against him was that he could not beat the Pats.

by Wells on Jan 22, 2007 6:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My Bad
In the seventies a famous Knick player named Willis Reed i think not sure. But he had a severe injury and didn't play the first half of a finals game.

He saw his team losing and decided to go and play severley hurt and he had an amazing performance. I think like 30 points and 20 boards and led them to victory. Now when ever you see a guy playing through pain they relate to that incident and thats what i meant to say about T.O.

If it was any other player a la Peyton, Rice, Brady, or hell VY we would be calling it the greatest, clutchest, most heroic performance ever.

Vince Young is a beast.

by txlonghorn on Jan 22, 2007 11:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You seem to be fixated
more on the players' individual personalities than their performance.  If I understand you correctly, you are severely disappointed in Peyton's and Donovan's acting abilities.  

Wells, it would seem, would rather watch one of the most accomplished, technically proficient quarterbacks ever to pick up a football lead his team to the Super Bowl, as opposed to watching a sad jester of a wide receiver (that the NFL seems to keep around only to rope in that oh-so-lucrative,  immature 13-year old demographic) who plays in the Super Bowl wearing his contempt for his teammates like a red badge of street cred.  

Also, remember that John Elway was considered a loser for over 10 years.  Now he's a football god.  Lets not write Peyton's book until he's hung his cleats.  

by BrooklynHorn on Jan 23, 2007 1:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

manning
I can kind of understand the (mis)perception that Manning chokes in big games. But over the last 4 years, the only bad game he really had was the 4 INT game against New England in 2003. Besides New England, he came up big or played well in every other playoff game (he certainly didn't cost them the game against Pittsburgh). Those New England teams were incredible. There's a reason they won 3 of 4 Super Bowls. But that's all beside the point. I don't understand why someone would hate the guy for it. Say what you want about his potential legacy if he doesn't win the Super Bowl, etc. But to actually wish ill will on him is beyond me. How can you hold it against a quarterback for calling his own plays at the line and making audibles? That's beyond ludicrous. Plus, I don't know how this got into a Terrell Owens debate, but I really hope that Dallas keeps him. That offense can really be dangerous if you look at all the tools at its disposal. I think his "cancerous" tendencies get a little overblown.

by Jason Mayer on Jan 23, 2007 12:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

And here's one with paragraphs
I can kind of understand the (mis)perception that Manning chokes in big games. But over the last 4 years, the only bad game he really had was the 4 INT game against New England in 2003. Besides New England, he came up big or played well in every other playoff game (he certainly didn't cost them the game against Pittsburgh). Those New England teams were incredible. There's a reason they won 3 of 4 Super Bowls.

But that's all beside the point. I don't understand why someone would hate the guy for it. Say what you want about his potential legacy if he doesn't win the Super Bowl, etc. But to actually wish ill will on him is beyond me. How can you hold it against a quarterback for calling his own plays at the line and making audibles? That's beyond ludicrous.

Plus, I don't know how this got into a Terrell Owens debate, but I really hope that Dallas keeps him. That offense can really be dangerous if you look at all the tools at its disposal. I think his "cancerous" tendencies get a little overblown.

by Jason Mayer on Jan 23, 2007 12:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

makin me laugh jas.
Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Jan 23, 2007 8:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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