Sorry Troy, you are no Vince

by krelldoggy on Jan 8, 2007 11:38 PM CST Comment 25 comments

Smith looked just awful...I guess the heisman has never a great indicator of talent, more a press coverage award.

If I am an NFL GM I draft the LSU kid way before anybody else I saw in the bowl games. I don't predict great NFL careers for Smith, Quinn, or even Leak.

VY is still the player of the decade, which will really start to dawn on the league next year.

krl

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That sound you heard

was Troy Smith's draft stock hit the floor.

by boomhauer25 on Jan 8, 2007 11:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

has one bad game, and you throw him under? Please, just because he doesnt win the MNC doesnt make him a horrible quarterback.Tonight he had no time to throw and nothing good happened for the offense. Take the burnt orange dick out of your mouth and stop being such a homer please? No one was ever comparing him to VY in the first place. Writers for this site even mentioned that they were two entirely different quarterbacks. As a fan of Ohio State, this loss hurts as much for me as the 95 Cowboys-Niners game in SF. Regarless of what happened tonight, Smith had allready established his legacy at Ohio State and I couldn't be more proud of him.

by 303Dub on Jan 8, 2007 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The O-line on the other hand...

by DC Trojan on Jan 8, 2007 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Smith

Sounds like you are the one with the bad taste in your mouth (and a sore ass after last nights reaming...)

I would have voted for Smith for the Heisman, he deserved it this year, but I have heard people say he is better than VY partly because he won the trophy. Not a chance.

He seems like a good kid and a great college level player, but based on last night's performance I've got doubts he will be a great or even good NFL QB - but I hope he proves me wrong.

Russell at LSU has the arm and the body to make it as an older-style immobile NFL QB. As far as Smith goes this might be a good thing in the long run, now maybe he drops down the draft board to a better team he could help. He would be an upgrade for the Bears..

krl

by krelldoggy on Jan 9, 2007 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe you should

take that blue and orange dick out of your collective asses, first. 2 pieces of advice: watch your fucking langusge and stick to your own blog. Fucking shit-for-brains asshole.

by mento on Jan 9, 2007 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wasnt speaking

to all longhorn fans, so dont come at me with shit thats not directed towards you pompous asshole.
and krell, I'm not saying Smith is even on the same level as VY is but im pretty sure if VY had the shitty protection Smith had last night things might have been similar.

by 303Dub on Jan 9, 2007 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not likely

Dude, you just don't get it. Vince doesn't need protection because the one thing Troy Smith isn't anywhere near as good as Vince in is passing on the run out of the pocket.

Not to mention Vince can run til morning comes before Troy even thinks about leaving the pocket.

41-38

by inVINCEable on Jan 9, 2007 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Doesnt need protection?

Young had arguably the best line in college football during his career. his scrambles came mostly when there was no man open enough to throw the ball to, not because his line had broken down. I dont think you understand that I'm not saying Smith is better in any facet of the game, but the poor play of the line allowed him to do nothing.

by 303Dub on Jan 11, 2007 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not saying that's the reason he scrambled

I'm saying that an extremely elusive QB can move around and throw from outside the pocket. Not saying that all the runs and throws Vince had were a result of a bad line but there were a pretty large quantity of times when the line broke down and where most QBs would get sacked, Vince threw it well or tucked it in and took it some up the field.

41-38

by inVINCEable on Jan 11, 2007 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that

you can dismiss a 4/14, 0 touchdown, 1 interception, -1 yard total offense performance as "one bad game". Obviously Troy is very talented but i don't think he was too deserving of a Heisman. Truly outstanding players make good things happen out of nothing and make players around them better.

by HWO on Jan 8, 2007 11:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Than tell me

Who was more deserving?

by 303Dub on Jan 9, 2007 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

VY

As i was watching this game i was thinking my boy VY wouldn't let that happen the only time i saw his team get steam rolled was freshman year vs. OU and VY still wouldn't quit. Troy Smith deserved the Heisman and i feel really bad for him he is a really good guy and you shouldn't take his NFL future on one game other wise Brady Quinn would be doing nothing because he failed in every big game and good defense he faced. This just was a forgettable year in college football no great Heisman candidates or great performances. The Pontiac game changing performance was a fumbled punt returned for a touchdown, a goal line stand vs. Syracuse hell a pee wee team could stuff them a fluke field goal block for a touchdown. Just a forgettable year and the only good game in the regular season was the Michigan OSU game and that could have been an all time classic if the ref swallows his whistle. Just a forgettable year simple as that and Florida what a shitty champion i don't care what a shitty champion makes me wonder how we would have done if Colt didnt' get hurt i dont know.

by txlonghorn on Jan 9, 2007 12:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

A Heisman Winner

is judged by a season's body of work, not one game. Even though he did have a horrendous game, it was the first time in his career he had a bad showing in a big game. His numbers from the big games this season and in seasons past (michigan games, texas game 06 (its hard to count 05 since he had to split PT), 06 fiesta bowl) are outstanding.

Almost every year, the Heisman winner gets overshadowed in his bowl game (except maybe leinart on the 05 champ game).

Troy Smith has one bad one, so what? Bad timing it happened tonight. But I agree with Dub, who was more deserving based on the 12 game regular season?

...til Gabriel blows his horn

by BigTexBD on Jan 9, 2007 12:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Smith

no doubt he was deserving this season. But that is more because of a weak field than anything. Depsite his record setting margin, he is one of the weaker Heisman winners.

by Matt on Jan 9, 2007 1:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Player of the decade

Give me a break. Vince Young, great? Hell yes. Player of the decade? What a ridiculous discussion. It is one of those discussion that turn into insulting other players to justify your own player. Reggie Bush might disagree with you.

Vince didn't go undefeated did he?

Vince had his struggles too. Remember 2004 when he used to split time with other QB?

Troy may not flourish in the NFL, he isn't as tall as Vince. But he has just as good an arm, if not more accurate, he can run like Vince, and he was a huge big game QB overall....he was a great college QB.

by TXBuckeye on Jan 9, 2007 11:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Which other QB?

I believe you are referring to 2003, when he was a redshirt freshman and split time with the established Chance Mock.

Although spliting time is a bad word. He started over half the season and was noticeably better than Mock.

And no, VY didn't go undefeated, he went 30-2 (I believe). That's damn close to undefeated.

by boomhauer25 on Jan 9, 2007 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Run Like Vince?

I disagree.

by murtah on Jan 9, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

People Like to ignore Penn State '05

That defense made Troy Smith look like he'd never played football before. People ignore that performance when they talk about Smith's big game performance.

And, Troy Smith can't run like Vince. He may be more accurate, but he can't run like Vince. He also can't win championships like Vince.

by Bob LaBlog on Jan 9, 2007 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll go one better.

I said Vince may be the player of the decade in the NFL, and I have said the Smith is a "great" college player despite last nights debacle.

But VY is simply the best college football player I have personally ever seen. That spans 25 years of watching college football, and I am not from Texas and did not go to Texas, no homer here I just watched this kid for 3 years here in Austin.

Comments on Bush - he is a great scatback, his maximum potential with luck is to have Marshall Faulk's career - not shabby but not close to a great QB's impact.

On Smith - I think you lost some credibility saying that Smith can run like VY, that is not even worth arguing. IMHO Smith has a nice accurate arm, not as strong as VY but strong enough, more accurate from the pocket but less so on the run and is fairly mobile - although he did not show it with NFL-style athletes last night. I think it will all add up to a average NFL QB with a possibility to be a little above or below average.

With the accuracy that will come in the next few years VY will be the most feared player in the NFL. Super Bowls will ensue if he stays healthy.

krl

by krelldoggy on Jan 9, 2007 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Player of the Decade in the NFL?

Vince had a nice rookie season, much better than anyone could have expected, but Player of the Decade?

I believe they gave that award to Tom Brady after his 3rd Super Bowl.

by WacArnolds on Jan 9, 2007 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Next Decade

Give it 5 years, you'll catch the fever too ;)

by Hornbud on Jan 9, 2007 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If nothing else,

Atleast the past few years have introduced a great number of seemingly well-above average QBs - creating the opportunity for some interesting rivalries to develop. I think that is something that could bring the NFL out of the doldrums - excellent QB play.

With T.Brady, Manning, Brees, Romo, Rivers, Young, Leinart, Cutler, Rothlesburger (sp?), and possibly E.Manning, A.Smith and J.Campbell, we could be witnessing a possible high point of QB play throughout the league.

...now if only the Texans could blindly stumble across such a QB.

by WacArnolds on Jan 9, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Texans need more help than QB

They need a GM that understands the game of football, that is first and foremost. Once you get one of those, he'll realize that even Joe Montana would have been useless getting sacked 70 times/year with no rushing game.

by Hornbud on Jan 9, 2007 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Completely agree

Not sure about the new guy, Rick Smith, but the draft last year seemed to be monumentally better than the previous years. I'm still waiting to pass judgment on Mario, although it is obvious at this point, that Young (or Leinart/Cutler) should have been the pick. But atleast a majority of the picks are having an impact on the team.

I do agree that a GM is an extremely important/underappreciated position that ultimately decides the direction of the team. Look at the personnel decisions by AJ Smith in SD and Scott Peoli (sp?) in NE. I doubt either of these teams struggle anytime in the near future.

by WacArnolds on Jan 9, 2007 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry

Sorry to bust your bubble (again), But 'lil Troy is nowhere near the scrambler VY is. NOBODY has ever been the scrambler he is... we've been waiting 6 years to see Vick do what VY did his rookie year. Vy's Rose Bowl:200 yds rushing. Troy's '06 regular season: 233. I'm afraid 'lil 5'10 Troy might be going down Charlie Ward avenue...

He's like Vince Young in the 4th quarter.

by getupcolt on Jan 10, 2007 2:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs