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Heisman Favorite?

The Heisman Trophy is suppose to be awarded to the most outstanding college football player in the country. But, unfortunately, it often goes to the best player on one of the best teams. This season has been so crazy that even determining the top teams has almost impossible.

So, who is your Heisman favorite?

Pre-season favorites, Darren McFadden, Tim Tebow, and Brian Brohm, all play for teams with multiple losses and probably more to come. Steve Slaton and Pat White fell off the national radar with their loss at South Florida. John David Booty? A quarterback can't win the Heisman by handing off the ball. Right? Chase Daniel just missed his chance on a national stage, Colt Brennan has been injured and plays at Hawaii, and Mike Hart may not be able to rebound from Michigan's first two losses.

How about Matt Ryan at Boston College or Matt Grothe at South Florida? Or DeSean Jackson at Cal or Andre' Woodson at Kentucky?

So, again, who is your Heisman favorite? Without a doubt they are all flawed candidates, but if you had to pick one today, who would it be?

--AW--

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Glen Dorsey

I won't even pretend that I came up with it myself, but I like the idea more and more.  There is no single offensive superstar in the NCAA right now, which paves the way perfectly for someone from a different position to win the Heisman.  Give it to LSU's Dorsey, he is the primary reason that the LSU defense wreaks so much havoc on opposing offenses.

I didnt realize your adopted child could jump as high as mine... Oh wait, he can't.

by bendj on Oct 15, 2007 11:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting choice

I was going to comment and say it should be Darren McFadden, cause he has done all that was expected from him. But, Glen Dorsey makes more sense.

In Mack We Trust.

by Cyrus on Oct 15, 2007 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If BC or USF make hte title game..

it should go to the QB of the respective team. either Ryan or Grothe

My adopted son Sergio Kindle does not sleep; he waits.

by mvplonghorns on Oct 15, 2007 11:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

c'mon

That's the worst logic! QB of the best team != most outstanding CFB player.

In Mack We Trust.

by Cyrus on Oct 15, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

graham harrell is a contender

this is a potential "playing the numbers game" column.  [yes, i still plan on writing these.  i've been swamped lately.]

by billyzane on Oct 15, 2007 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

I miss that column.

by BrooklynHorn on Oct 15, 2007 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why no mention of either Harrell or Crabtree?

Both are on one loss ranked teams. Harrell is the most accurate passer in the nation, one of the most efficient per attempt, absolutely the most prolific, and protects the football better than any passer in the nation. He has below a 1% interception percentage.

Michael Crabtree leads the nation substantially in every receiving category. He has yet to have a game where he has fewer than 100 yards and has already set Tech, Big 12, and NCAA receiving records.

The only arguments that make sense for excluding one or both of these players is a) that Texas Tech won't win out or b) that both these players are system products.

To a) I would respond that, though while likely true, it is still predicated on a hypothetical that has not yet happened. TT is in control of its own BCS destiny as of this moment moreso than, for instance, the University of Texas. If neither Harrell nor Crabtree are deserving of Heisman consideration because Tech will inevitably melt down, it should be owed to those two players that they actually melt down before their consideration is revoked.

To b) I'd simply respond that no quarterback has played to the level that Harrell is at right now in the history of this system; his over 74% completion percentage is nothing short of miraculous. He is the most accurate passer in the NCAA, the 2nd highest rated passer, and above and beyond previous system quarterbacks (who nonetheless deserved consideration at varying times for the Heisman trophy). Every quarterback who has ever played in the history of the NCAA did so under a "system". It just so happens that Harrell is better under this "system" then any of his predecessors, and is currently playing better than any quarterback in any system in the nation. If you are really interested in discounting Harrell as a member of the system, simply compare him against his peers on a per pass basis in order to compensate for his perhaps inflated absolute numbers. What you will find is that he is, down to down, one of the best passers in the nation and comparable to anyone else.

The argument that Crabtree is a system WR is easily discounted when we consider the multitude of receivers that have come from this system, and recognize that he's either already surpassed his predecessors at Tech in TDs and will almost certainly surpass them in dramatic fashion in yards and receptions.

by Red Blooded on Oct 15, 2007 11:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No ill intent

My post was meant to get the discussion started, not to list all available candidates. Both Red Raiders should be in the discussion.

BTW, I'm scared of what the two of them will do in Austin next month.

--AW--

by awiggo on Oct 15, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Unfortunately these guys have a couple of showcase games and, God help us, they may actually earn it.  They are at least as deserving of consideration as anyone elese.

marshalld

by duras on Oct 15, 2007 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My list

Andre Woodson
Michael Hart
Dennis Dixon

It seems like Woodson is the clear cut front runner right now. If they beat Florida he will have a death grip on the trophy.

Hart is by far the most impressive RB right now. I'm pretty sure he accounts for 80%+ of their offense and every opponent knows who the ball is going to.

Dixon can ball and puts up playstation stats in big games. If they knock off USC his name goes in the hopper.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Oct 15, 2007 11:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dixon

I would pick Oregon’s Dennis Dixon based on wins and individual stats.

Completion %: 70.2
Yards: 1525
YPA: 9.1
TD: 15
INT: 2
Rushing: 324 yards
Avg: 5.1
TD: 6

I agree that Woodsen is another good choice though.

by blackdog81 on Oct 15, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent list
  1. Woodson still has Florida and Tennessee coming up and could stake his claim in a big way.
  1. Hart can make a real statement vs tOSU
  1. Dixon can assert himself by blowing up USC defense.

4)Harrell/Crabtree have to get some love.

These guys are all legitimate candidates and will have further opportunities to distinguish themselves.  This is actually a very close and interesting race.  Much moreso than last year.

marshalld

by duras on Oct 15, 2007 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is definitely

one of the widest-open Heisman races in recent memory.  Not even narrowed down to three or four guys.  Just anyone.  I haven't seen Darren McFadden show up on any highlights, and I watched part of the Auburn-Arkie game and didn't notice him at all.  Felix Jones is making all the plays I see.  Maybe they should just give this one to VY as a make-up call.  If not, it should go to someone on defense this year, if only because this is the only year they have a real chance to do so.  If they give it to some jackass from Ohio State, I will not comment on Heisman crap anymore, ever.  Someone random needs to win, just like two random teams need to play for the championship.  Trouble with the BCS is it assumes that at least one spot in the title game will be undisputed.

Growing up, I only fed Jared Norton paper. That's why he eats plays.

by Horn Brain on Oct 15, 2007 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt Ryan was underwhelming against ND

295 Yds Passing 2 TD 1 INT

by HMFIC04 on Oct 15, 2007 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ditto I watched Ryan play against Wake Forest

He got some great yards but I kept thinking that, if he was playing a defense with any speed, he would have had 3 INT's

I think he's a good player and has great stats but he's not deserving of the Heisman.

by burnt in ny on Oct 15, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Hart

At the end of the year, Hart will win the Hiesman.  This guy has been great all year, even while the rest of his team played like dog shit.  The schedule sets up nicely for him to continue his run and it culminates versus Ohio State.  Expect the rest of the ducks to fall at some point (South Florida, BC, etc) and the irony of it all is that Michigan will probably be the team that takes down the final undefeated team.

The Hiesman typically goes to guys who were great throughout the season and took it to another level towards the end of the year.  Assuming that Hart's ankle injury is not severe, my money is on him.

As for Harrell and Crabtree, yeah these guys have been nothing short of absolutely amazing.  But no one nationally cares about Tech.  Deal with it.  Unless Tech wins out (which they won't) and makes some huge leaps in the rankings they will be what they always are --- a nightmare matchup for the Big 12 south, but pretty much irrelevant everywhere else.

John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!

by BMG on Oct 15, 2007 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re:

I think it is implicit in the claim that "X should be a front runner for Heisman" that preexisting biases against schools are under scrutiny. For instance, it might be the case that people give Michigan a lot more attention than Texas Tech, but that doesn't solve the question on whether that should or should not be the case. As this year has indicated, thus far it should not have been the case that Michigan receives more attention than Texas Tech, per the BCS rankings.

You are free to presume that Tech will meltdown on its schedule, but this argument should weight as strongly against Michael Hart who, for all we know, will never win another football game. The reasonable way of evaluating Heisman hopefuls is not what they may or may not do in some hypothetical, but what they have done to date. Not taking anything away from Hart with that, I just think it's a bit Hartless (yuck yuck yuck) to effectively rule out any Texas Tech players for the circular reasoning that they have been historically ruled out.

by Red Blooded on Oct 15, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:

Everyone loves giving Dorsey props, but his position is not conducive to the eye-popping defensive stats (TD, Int, Sacks) he needs to win the Heisman. In the past two games on a national stage, his name was barely called by the announcers. He was neutralized by Florida for most of the game, and was unable to get a sack on Woodson against Kentucky. No chance he wins it.

Michael Crabtree, as great as he is, has no chance as well. He's a receiver (strike one) who's a RS freshman (strike two) who has a more nationally recognized QB throwing to him (strike three). Harrell is interesting, but TT will pretty much have to win out and make a BCS bowl for him to get any consideration.

Either Tebow or Woodson loses his standing in the Heisman race this weekend. Tebow has the better name recognition at the moment, but he's only a sophomore. That's a big strike.

Brohm and McFadden are pretty much in the same boat. They don't win the Heisman if their teams can't win on national TV.

My money is on Hart right now as well. For him to win, though, he has to rebound from his injury, Michigan has to win out, and he has to have a great game against Ohio State. I think it can be done.

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by jc25 on Oct 15, 2007 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If I had a ballot
  1. Hart - The heart and soul of Michigan. Literally carries them on his back. Injury will be interesting.
  1. Harrell - Its amazing how much more dangerous their offense is when a great QB (instead of a decent one) is put into the system.
  1. Woodson - We'll see next week for sure
  1. Dixon - Outstanding numbers, and a couple big games left to prove himself
  1. Bradford - Like Colt last year, will never really be above #5, but you have to acknowledge how great he's been for blOwU.  This is more of an honorary vote, especially since it's tough to see many other players in the race.
atsmahboy Kelson

by BigTexBD on Oct 15, 2007 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tech

As always, Tech's players and teams will be judged on how they play against OU and UT.  If Harrell and Crabtree can beat both schools, they will get national attention and be leading canidates going into next season.

by JohnsonUT on Oct 15, 2007 12:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dixon or Dorsey

I think Dorsey is the best player in America, but there's no way a DT ever wins the Heisman, so I'll say Dixon.  He has great stats so far, and if Oregon runs the table it will be because of him.
My top 5:

  1. Dorsey
  1. Dixon
  1. McFadden
  1. Hart
  1. Tebow

by mmorales11 on Oct 15, 2007 12:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we wait...

...until after the National Title Game and just award it to whomever isn't good enough to lead his team to victory like the past couple of years?

by Lincoln on Oct 15, 2007 12:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1
My adopted kid is faster than any of your adopted kids.

by Shake on Oct 15, 2007 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The player that is most responsible

for his team being in the thick of a national or conference championship who also has dominating statistics. But most of all, a player who makes you say, wow! Based on performance SO FAR (not so much on the prospects)

  1. Andre Woodson. Great stats and KY would be ABSOLUTELY nowhere without him. Signature wins against Arkansas and LSU. I'm betting they dump Florida at home this week and Tennessee at home in the final week. If they can find a way to win against Georgia on the road, it's in the bag.
  1. Dennis Dixon. Likewise but the only signature win was against Michigan. Can redeem if he has big game against USC. Lots of trap road games ahead and lost his best speed RB to injury.
  1. Mike Hart. Of all the candidates, I love to watch him play the best. Every run just seems so unlikely and such an adventure. The problem is that he hasn't yet generated any signature wins and probably can't until the week before the voting. He's injured as well, and most backs are never quite the same after an ankle injury and I don't think all of Michigan's early problems have gone away. I don't see them beating Ohio State, however non-magnificant the Buckeyes seem.
  1. Graham Harrell. Great player with unbelievable stats but no signature wins yet. Without a possible signature win until November (at Texas), I think he's too late on the scene to win.
  1. Darren MacFadden, Still probably the best running back but he has no signature wins and few highlight reels to crank up the wow factor

by burnt in ny on Oct 15, 2007 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vegas Odds!

Here it is:

Andre Woodson (Kentucky) 3 - 1
Matt Ryan (Boston College) 5 - 1
Darren McFadden (Arkansas) 5 - 1
Colt Brennan (Hawaii) 7 - 1
Mike Hart (Michigan) 8 - 1
Tim Tebow (Florida) 10 - 1
Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)  10 - 1
Brian Brohm (Louisville) 10 - 1
Graham Harrell (Texas Tech) 15 - 1
DeSean Jackson (CAL) 15 - 1
Dennis Dixon (Oregon) 15 - 1
Chase Daniel (Missouri) 15 - 1
Ray Rice (Rutgers) 20 - 1
Steve Slaton (West Virginia) 20 - 1
Colt McCoy (Texas) 25 - 1
Kevin Smith (UCF) 25 - 1
Pat White (West Virginia) 25 - 1
PJ Hill (Wisconsin) 30 - 1
John David Booty (USC) 30 - 1
Percy Harvin (Florida) 40 - 1

In Mack We Trust.

by Cyrus on Oct 15, 2007 1:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heisman

 George Selvie DE from USF. It is about time to let a defender have the award and for one player to have both the sack and the tackle for loss numbers he has makes him stand out.
 QBs are nice but they already get to go to the press conferences.

by Tammy on Oct 15, 2007 2:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My ballot

1.Matt Ryan-undefeated(for now) and playing very well, possibly #1 QB in the nation

2.Dixon- if they run the table, I can't see a way he doesn't win it.

3.Woodson-again, if they run the table they have a shot at the Title and he is putting up great numbers against a tough schedule

by Romo9 on Oct 15, 2007 10:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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