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Postgame React: Nebraska

The outcome was: Amusing. What a freaking rollercoaster, right? Texas was unwatchable for three quarters, and then, suddenly, buried Nebraska with 200+ yards of rushing in one quarter. We'll certainly get into why it took so long to do what everyone but Greg Davis realized you do to beat Nebraska: run the football.

The Offensive MVP was: Jamaal Charles. Like I gotta tell you.

The Defensive MVP was: Brian Orakpo. He was hell on wheels today, making all sorts of disruptive plays. A great performance from a great player.

The offensive Offensive Player Of The Week was: Greg Davis. Right up until John Chiles was forced into the game and Davis realized that - surprise, surprise - running the football against Nebraska was there for the taking, the 'Horns were mired in one of the most embarassing offensive performances of the Greg Davis era. And that's saying something.

I know it's hard to hate on Colt McCoy, and believe me, I admire the kid for his toughness, his fight, and his willingness to do anything and everything he can to help this team win. But this offense is dysfunctional when it's centered around McCoy the passer as a primary threat. And though he's an effective enough scrambler, and a gutty enough rusher, he's having a hell of a tough season. The offensive line hasn't helped. Greg Davis definitely hasn't helped. And McCoy himself has just not thrown the ball effectively.

Colt will have his good games. Even some great games. But I think that we're seeing there's a ceiling for this offense with him as the quarterback. I guess we can leave him in there, start running more zone read, and see how far he can go, but it's sure starting to seem like we might want to consider just going with what we know this offense can do well - zone read offense with a real athlete at quarterback.

[Also, the very fact that we're having the same conversation every other week should be a sign of the limitations in question. Whether it's Colt's fault, Greg Davis' fault, the offensive line's fault, the lack of a legitimate vertical passing threat, or some combination therein (ding ding ding), the one thing that's been consistent is that this offense isn't taking any meaningful steps forward.]

The offensive Defensive Player Of The Week was: Ishie Oduegwu. Ishie struggled today with his assignments, but I'm not gonna lose even a wink of sleep over it. As has been noted, we need to be playing for 2008 here. Ishie won't learn from mistakes when he's not playing. Like Deon Beasley, growing pains are expected, acceptable, and - given the stakes right now - preferable to playing a senior veteran who might get us a Holiday Bowl (instead of Alamo Bowl) berth.

John Chiles Watch: 1 play. Which changed everyhing. Frankly, I'm not sure why we didn't stick with him. Hey - if Texas finds itself playing a team which can shut down the zone read, then maybe going with Colt is the best option. Today? It was all about moving the ball on the ground. Which didn't happen until Chiles' sparked a change in our philosophy. You can credit him, or Davis, or Charles, or an act of God. Doesn't really matter; we all saw the same thing.

Vondrell McGee Watch: 3 carries, 22 yards. Last week's discussion takes a twist this week with the fourth quarter explosion. If Texas shifts towards a zone-read attack, Jamaal Charles is going to see sustained success (remember his 7.4 yards per carry alongside Vince?). If not, we got some sense today of what McGee can do when he's the feature back in our Colt-based attack.

No simple answers here, but I think we saw today that the answer is probably not to try to pass 35 times a game. And if we do go to a spread rush attack? Charles is your starter. Without question.

Oklahoma State Fear Factor: 10 out of 10   (5) is the baseline. (+5) for I have no freaking idea with this Texas team. None.

Heading into next week I feel: Disoriented.  It's hard to say with this team, isn't it? Colt's a better passer, but continues to struggle. Chiles can't pass, but Greg Davis seems to thrive with one offense only - the zone read package (which Chiles is better suited for). What to do?

I honestly don't know. At least we have something to talk about?

--PB--

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UH, NO

You pounded us for three quarters with a 'conventional' offense.

Then you switched to the spread, which we clearly cannot defend, and you kicked our ass.

Refute that, please.

Prove me wrong, you have a huge community full of really smart people.

But I contend that you guys didn't make yardage until you changed your ways and took advantage of some place where we sucked.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Corn Nation - Graduating more of our players than you are!

by cornnation on Oct 27, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

unless that's what you're saying by "zone read" and that's it.

Is that all there is to the spread these days?

I"m not sure. I've been so caught up in the WCO and reads and how it fits with zone blocking that I haven't seen the outside world.

It's too technical for me , dammit. Enlighten me. I'm stoopid.

Go Big Red Nebraska!
Corn Nation - Graduating more of our players than you are!

by cornnation on Oct 27, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oregon
proved today that you can beat even the best defenses running the ball nearly every single play if your QB is mobile enough. Texas would have won easily today if Chiles had started...

by Pearland Longhorn on Oct 27, 2007 8:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fear

Oklahoma State Fear Factor: 10 out of 10 (5) is the baseline. (+5) for I have no freaking idea with this Texas team. None.

I LOL'ed.

by goingforthecorner on Oct 27, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd add +5

... for OSU having an extra week to prepare for Texas, and +5 for playing on their turf. My personal OSU Fear Factor is 20 out of 10.

Kansas gave Akina the blueprint for defeating the Aggies on T+1, and with Tech's loss to Colorado yesterday - and getting them at home - I can't help but feel if we survive in Stillwater we'll win out.

Charles > Savage
McCoy > Robinson
Jones + Cosby > Bowman
Texas D-Line > OSU O-Line

We just gotta show it next Saturday.

My boy BI plays three positions (TE, LB, FB) and still has time to sleep with the opposing QB's girlfriend on game day

by patienthornsfan on Oct 28, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"What to do?"

I just posted this to the other thread, but it is probably more appropriate here:

One problem I haven't heard [specifically] addressed here is the fact that Mack recruits different types of players. We have some skill-position guys that are "Zone Read" guys, and we have some skill-position guys that are "Traditional Pro-Style" guys. And we can neither mix the personnel, nor can we go back and forth between them.

Perhaps Mack needs to decide on a long-term philosophy and recruit for it, rather than just taking the best athletes available. McCoy and Chiles have no business being offered scholarships at the same school during the same era. It doesn't make any sense.

Between the two, I would normally prefer to build around McCoy. That is to say, if we fired GD tomorrow, I'd say stick with McCoy. The reason is that I think the Spread/ZoneRead thing is a trend. It may stick around, it may not, but my money says defenses will figure it out within a few years. Also, a Pro package allows for you to insert different kinds of talent.

The problem is that GD will not be fired tomorrow. And since that is the reality, the pragmatist in me says stick with the ZoneRead and use Chiles. Two reasons:

  1. Its the only system GD has been able to succeed with and...

  2. It is an offense that puts the game in the hands of the QB and not in the hands of GD.  

So this is what we've come to. We have to make longterm revisions in order to counter the liability that GD creates within our game plans. But either way, a clear path needs to be paved, because this mixed scheme, mixed personnel thing is not flying.

by BrooklynHorn on Oct 27, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wait a minute...

PB advocated a "pass first" offense centered around McCoy for months and doesn't have the decency to acknowledge this is the exact offense he was championing?

so you really think installing Chiles as major part of the offense is the answer?  the kid has glaring shortcomings (understandable as a true freshman) - even VY was shut down when he wasn't a threat to throw.

faulting McCoy for the offense's troubles today is just lazy.

by cortexas on Oct 27, 2007 11:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more!

Colt did have a bad game, but you would have expected GD to make adjustments. The only way to get rid of GD is to MB. I've always been a supporter of MB, but now he dragging the team down with his loyatly to a crappy OC.

My adopted son Brandon Foster is coming along quite nicely.

by RemiMagnus on Oct 27, 2007 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sir

I've been noting how wrong I was for some time now. Not sure if you've just joined back in or what.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Oct 28, 2007 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JC's joints....

JC's joints move in dimensions that human joints aren't supposed to...

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by cortexas on Oct 27, 2007 11:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's String Theory I tell you!

I swear, I thought I witnessed all 11 dimensions today.

by goingforthecorner on Oct 28, 2007 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going for 2 pts up 11 in the 4th quarter

I don't know if this was addressed in the open thread b/c I was at the game. But the decision to go for 2 pts up 11 in the 4th quarter was idiotic. Again.

I say again because this is exactly what we did at Central Florida earlier in the year. And just like in that game it almost cost us.

With that little time left in the game, there is absolutely no difference between being up 12 pts and up 13 pts. None. So, the obvious decision is to kick the extra point and force Nebraska to score two touchdowns to win the game. If you go up 12  points by kicking the point after, there is no scenario in which Nebraska can tie the game.

But we decided to stupidly go for two, don't get it, and leave the possiblity of tying the game with two scores on the table. Nebraska, like CFU, marches right down the field, scores a TD, converts the 2 pt conversion and then has a chance to tie the game with only a field goal, if they had recovered the kick.

Thankfully the Horns, again, secured the on-side kick and survived.

I simply don't understand. Don't tell me that the stupid two-point conversion chart says to go for two when you are up 11. Time left in the game must be factored in. With only three minutes left in the game and with Nebraska having the aid of the wind, there is no reason not to kick the extra point and eliminate any chance of tying the game with two scores.

And don't get me started on continuing to hand the ball off in the final minute when simply kneeling the ball would have secured the W.

--AW--

by awiggo on Oct 28, 2007 12:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A bigger problem

is the fact that we're not converting the 2-pt conversions.

Where's Chiles? He'd clearly be the better option in those scenarios, especially against teams with a poor run defense.

However, it should be noted that Finley was clearly held in one of the 2pt-ers, but it wasn't called! I do like that we're giving it to Finley in the red-zone.

by goingforthecorner on Oct 28, 2007 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can we get through to Mack about this?

OK, he's stumped by third grade arithmetic. That's OK. He distracted and has other things on his mind. But I bet there is someone on the staff who could figure this out in real time and tell him what to do. Burn that stinking card and get someone who can think!

by Caradoc on Oct 28, 2007 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It didn't actually play out that way

We were behind 17-9 when Charles scored on a 25-yard run to bring it to 17-15.  At that point there was about 12 min left in the game.  That was the first failed two-point conversion attempt.

The next score came on Charles' 86-yard run bringing the score to 17-21 with about 7:30 to go.  This was the second failed 2pt conversion attempt.

Our last score came on a 40 yard run again by Charles with about 3 min to go.  Here they took the kick and we ended our scoring up by eleven at 17-28.

Nebraska scored a touchdown and converted a 2-pt conversion with just over a minute left bringing the final score to 25-28.

by gwh65 on Oct 28, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also, we did come out running the ball...

We came out in the first quarter with Lokey and variations of the I formation.

Not sure why we abandoned it, but we did TRY to run (with some success) from the outset.

by cortexas on Oct 28, 2007 12:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My Concern is our

DEFENSE...

We didn't put any pressure or hurry on Neb's QB most of the day. We can't even get to Keller face most of the game(xcept only 1 big play & caused fumble by Okam). That's why Keller threw that 2 TD passes looked quite easy & that was our defense today:(

Duane needs to improve our defense on how to put more pressure and hurry to our opponent's QB (big time). But I have to say football is a very strange & unpredictable sports. Penn State's Defense is a #1 (most sack on QB) team in the nation but they only got one sack on Ohio State's QB tonite.

Anyway, as much as I would luv to see the Horns continues to win games for the rest of the season. But if we play our offense & defense like that in Stillwater, there's no way we can beat the Cowboys next wk not to mention we may lose to them in a wide margin :(

by Horns98 on Oct 28, 2007 1:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

What happened to Lamaar Houston? Granted I wasn't totally focused on the game, but I never heard his name.

by goingforthecorner on Oct 28, 2007 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you suppose

That McGee could play some fullback? It looks like he can block, and if he could catch a pass he'd be great as an inside threat to go with Charles.

by Caradoc on Oct 28, 2007 1:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't overlook the fact

... that we have a 1,000 yard rusher again.  And a true RB this time, not VY.

My boy BI plays three positions (TE, LB, FB) and still has time to sleep with the opposing QB's girlfriend on game day

by patienthornsfan on Oct 28, 2007 8:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Also leading the Big XII

... after his monster game yesterday, although previous leader Dantrell Savage was idle. The 290 yards puts Charles at #13 nationally, ahead of the likes of Darren McFadden, Chris Wells, and Marlon Lucky, all of whom are averaging fewer YPC than JC. Credit where credit is due.

My boy BI plays three positions (TE, LB, FB) and still has time to sleep with the opposing QB's girlfriend on game day

by patienthornsfan on Oct 28, 2007 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A very positive point...

This is one of the huge positives from this game and it may very well pay dividends in our last few games.  Charles has his confidence back now, and the performance he gave on Saturday was outstanding.  He desrves to be up there among the elite RBs in the country.

1 Peter 2:17

by HornsFan87 on Oct 28, 2007 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that brotha PB!
Man I agree with your assessment almost entirely across the board.  One minor change, I think the Offensive Defensive Player was Brandon Foster.  Late in the game when Nebraska made it closer than it should have been he was the coverage man standing around holding his pud on the TD pass, the subsequent 2 pt. conversion AND made us all almost have a heart attack on the onside kick! If he had not been smothered by a comrade and pulled in the ball at the last moment...we'd have all been in ICU at games end!

I must totally profess that I wish Chiles had stayed in the game when Colt went out.  Davis must have had a real 'Oh Crap!  I should have been doing this all along'  At the same time, when Colt came back in and Maned Up on those two runs I was very proud of him.  Truth be told he is out of place in an offense that wants to camp out in the Zone Read, and if we are hell-bent on making that the primary set we run out of the only real answer is to get Chiles in there more.  It would be good for keeping defenses off balance, and when Colt came back you could still sneak a few of those designed QB runs in and get great results, but w/out Young/Chiles-esque type of athletic ability you are signing a death warrant for our gutsy Colt McCoy.

by longhornJ on Oct 29, 2007 4:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree on Foster

He got picked on Saturday. I let it slide, because Ishie was the greater offender and I wanted to talk about why it was still got that he was in there learning on the job. But you're spot on about Foster; he didn't have a very good game.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Oct 29, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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