Post Game Thoughts: Horns Fall 28-21
by awiggo on Oct 6, 2007 6:36 PM CDT
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PB will be along later today or tomorrow with his thoughts. Here are a few of mine.
Jamaal Charles's fumble was, without a doubt, the game changer. The Horns had marched right down the field to open the second half and had a chance to take the lead and seize the momentum. Charles has one hand on the ball, an OU defender makes a great play, momentum vanishes and Horns were never really able to recover.
Finley was huge in the first half but not utilized at all in the second.
Limas Sweed was not a factor at all and was not even on the field on our final drive. Hurt? Don't know for sure but something isn't right.
The offensive line got whipped but not as badly as Colt McCoy's scrambles made them look. There were plenty of opportunities for McCoy to stay in the pocket when he took off running instead. To throw the ball down the field, the line needs to give the quarterback time and the quarterback needs to trust his offensive line. That trust is not there, making it difficult for the Horns to stretch the defense with the deep ball.
Thankfully, the horizontal passing game that we all hate was ripped from the playbook, save one play to Jordan Shipley.
If the two turnovers and the deadball penalities weren't enough to cement a loss, our secondary play finished us off. Poor communication in our back four led to the second half Kelley touchdown and to at least three other deeps balls to OU wideouts and tight ends.
Overall, the Horns played well decently. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough.
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what was bad...
right before colt threw the INT, they were showing stats for the game, and i was talking to my mom about how colt was out-performing sam, and the only thing that would change that would be an intercep-
colt was picked off....
she proceeded to slap me in the face, then hit me in the chest....
i live in oklahoma..... and i will be getting ALOT of grief for texas losing, especially since im only in high school.... but at least we covered the spread, and actually played well, and we challenged ou and it was a VERY good game
by ut fan in ok on Oct 6, 2007 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh yea
i only remember seeing that STUPID zone read play (w/ colt) only once.... im proud of that....
i think it was only used twice in the whole game.... one w/ colt and one w/ chiles
by ut fan in ok on Oct 6, 2007 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they did!
No if we can rebound from this loss and finish with a decent season. We all knew this was gonna be a re-building year. Even though we lost I'm damn proud of these guys. For team that was the 2TD underdogs we showed people what we can accomplish. Now its back to work. Lets finish out the season strong.
by RemiMagnus on Oct 6, 2007 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OU is not that good
They are not that good and we should not have been two td dogs. Bradford is pretty solid and they are going to win the big 12 just because of this shitty conference but nothing special and murray doesn't seem that good.
by longhorn4life on Oct 6, 2007 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on the JC comment
This just comes down to fundamental football...2 turnovers for Texas, 0 for OU. I think our coaches did fine today except for this...I put it on Greg and Mack that they keep playing JC when he obviously has butterfingers ever since he's been at Texas. Like I said in the earlier thread, he needs to have a "nobody else can do it" breakaway TD for every one of those fumbles, and he's just not producing them. Therefore, he sits and McGee gets the carries.
by HookeminOKC on Oct 6, 2007 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nothing wrong with that loss guys
as a team I thought yall looked much improved. No loss ever feels good, but atleast it was a respectable loss that was the RRS at its best.
Feel free to join the discussion of the A&M/OSU game over at The 12th Manchild.
by the12thManchild on Oct 6, 2007 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Better than decent
We looked damn good for three quarters. The turnovers, and probably sheer exhaustion, killed us down the stretch. But Texas outperformed just about everyone's expectations, including mine. I hate losing to o.u., but given our season overall, I don't feel as bad as I might.
Now we've got ISU and Baylor coming up. Time to experiment, play Chiles, see what works and be ready for Nebraska, OSU and the ags.
by NYCHorn on Oct 6, 2007 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right
We played well. Story is corrected. Just frustrated to have come so close.
by awiggo on Oct 6, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts...
And, as always, you guys know more than I, but here's my dos centavos...
- GD: Was that a real, honest to goodness play action on a 3rd and short? O.M.G!
- Many called for Finley to stand up. Why did he disappear in the 2nd half? And if you ain't gonna use him, why not Irbe? Still, that's been there all year, and it was nice to see something from TE.
- Colt's rattled. No doubt. Personally, I hope he doesn't catch David Carr Syndrome.
- Oh Jamaal.
- Chiles was under utilized. Another nice call by GD on the counter with Chiles at QB.
- Let me end with the D. How many times did Bradford eat turf? Twice? We are sending 5 and 6 guys with no results. Bobino missed a ton of tackles and, as has been previously mentioned, disappears when he blitzes. Jackson was gawd-awful. I believe this one is on the D. Outside of Lokey and Okam, and the occasional guest appearance by Kindle, I saw nothing from that group (OK, a little from Foster). Houston needs to understand that you can't run a rear flank maneuver when you rush the QB. Crikey, I think this is the longest. Bullet. Point. Ever.
Losing to ou (always sux) is like being forced to have a threesome with roseanne and mike tyson, and you're in the middle.
by bigfatdrunk on Oct 6, 2007 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh WHAT a visual....
Roseanne and Mike Tyson...ugh. LOL
by DreadedOne on Oct 6, 2007 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zoolander
At least Colt isn't over consumed with his hair, even if he is shell shocked!
by Triple347 on Oct 6, 2007 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
But if he starts wearing gloves, we'll know it's time to rent him Old School and buy a gallon of whiskey.
It's the feet. At times, it seems as if he is playing scared. I dunno. When I see a QB dancing a ton, I worry that his confidence in the line is low, and Colt seemed to worry and scamper quickly. Not that I blame him, though. English's sack on Colt rounding the corner against Hills is reason for worry. Houston was taking the same route and not coming close to Bradford.
by bigfatdrunk on Oct 6, 2007 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was disappointing...
I just don't have any idea at all what it would take for Mack Brown to decide that these younger linebackers seem to be a little better than Bobino, Derry and Killebrew... no idea at all.
We'd still have problems in the secondary, but teams don't seem to run the ball consistently as well when the kids are in. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that we call their names so often and the older guy's so seldom, but at some point I just want Mack to live with that coincidence more often.
by agent orange on Oct 6, 2007 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
On the Murray touchdown were the young LBs in or was it the usual retards? I didnt get to tivo it so I couldn't rewind and see who F'ed up.
by DogTown on Oct 6, 2007 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
correct me if I'm wrong...
Bobino had gap duty and swung and missed on Murray. Badly.
by bigfatdrunk on Oct 6, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct...
bobino Munsoned that one for sure.
And on the 2nd OU TD, Derry got thrown off his jam attempt easily.
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 6, 2007 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope...
definitely the old guys...
Bobino dived in the general direction and completely whiffed, didn't even slow Murray down. Derry was flat on his back after being pancaked... and I was on the couch screaming in frustration at the notion that after stopping the OU running attack cold when the youngsters were in, we ran the old guys back out there for several straight possessions as OU moved the ball at will...
by agent orange on Oct 6, 2007 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
Other than the turnovers, which one was just a botched play ( the tipped pass) i think the loss rests on the head of the play callers. Whether that be Greg Davis or Mack Brown.
Now before anyone loses their mind that i would group Mack in with GD please understand that he bears just as much responsibility as GD in the personel and play calling. By that i mean playing the people that are the weakness of our team. And also calling the same lame ass plays as in our previous games. Strokes of brilliance like the 3rd and 2 fake to the running back and pass to Og is proof that OU studied film and knew we were going to use a weak run up the gut to try and get the 1st. But a brilliant play worked out to our 3rd score. If only we could call plays that shock the defenses on most of our 3rd downs, not just one.
This team played their heart out, both teams did. The best of the best as far as RRS and rivalries go. But the sad truth is neither team is worthy of playing with the likes of LSU right now. Mack said "dont act like this ship is sinking". Well im a DIE HARD Texas fan, and i know that this isnt a top 10, now maybe even a top 20 team. Sinking? HELL NO. WE...... ARE....... TEXAS!!! F**k OU!! Its 28-21 but OU still SUCKS!! HOOKEM HORNS!! Lets finish the year!! Adjust, recognize what worked and what didnt and finish the year. 2008 will be awesome!!
GO HORNS!!
by lalonghorn on Oct 6, 2007 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
Colt is just a stop-gap until Chiles is ready (Or maybe Kinne). Did he have a better game than last week? Yes. Can he throw the ball downfield accurately? No.
by chief on Oct 6, 2007 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Did you see the spaces that the Colt was fitting the ball into? He hit "STONE HANDS" Sweed in the frickin' HANDS on the goal line while throwing on the run.
by DreadedOne on Oct 6, 2007 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one hell of a
by Romo9 on Oct 6, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he had a good season last year
until KSU hurt him. Since then, can you say he's been a good QB? I can't. I can say he's been effective at times, but hell, so was Chance Mock.
Take last season out of the picture. Is he still worth defending? It's been more than just one or two bad games. We have better prospects in the wings, so yeah, I think we're just sticking with him until they're ready.
by chief on Oct 6, 2007 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could be good this year
before the jury is out on McCoy I believe we have to see him in a different system. And have you even seen enough of Chiles or Harris to make that decision? Chiles is awsome and I believe he would work great in this system, but not as good as McCoy would in a different system that is made for pocket passers
by Romo9 on Oct 6, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I haven't seen enough of Chiles.
But I know he has the talent... that's the point of Colt being a stop-gap. I think Colt will finish the season as the starter, but by next year, I feel Chiles should be ready.
Even if Colt finishes strong, is that enough to crown him UT's future? His five games this season have been suspect. He looked good against Rice, but I'm pretty sure a wideout could have taken snaps and looked good against them. His numbers were respectable against OU, but again I go back to his inability to throw down field accurately. We all blame Greg Davis for dinking and dunking with these 5-10 yard passes, but I think that's due to Colt's inability to get the ball to Sweed and company on deep routes.
I certainly didn't feel this way last year about him, but I think his injury against KSU really screwed him up, either mentally or physically. If it was one or two bad games, I could live with that. But it's not.
by chief on Oct 6, 2007 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree...
Like every one of you, I get excited when Chiles comes into the game. That excitement is ONLY because of the extra threat that Chiles can put on a defense. With that being said, I don't feel confident enough to put him as a full time starter over Colt.
The kid from Tuscola is not getting consistent O-line support. He's getting whacked on lots of plays, sacked quite a few times, and getting hit when he releases balls (and even on dead ball plays; see false start play). I don't blame him for getting jittery, and I would love it if he could still go through all that and still go through his progressions. He just can't, and I can't say that the best of them could either (see Peyton Manning vs Steelers, 1996 Playoffs). A pocket passing QB needs a pocket to be consistent.
He's hanging in there and with the O-line siv, he's doing a good job. Bring in Chiles to mix it up, give Colt a break, and tire out the front 4 for a full series or two and special situations (redzone, trick plays). Other than that, Colt is your starter boys. And he should be.
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 6, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree also
"He looked good against Rice, but I'm pretty sure a wideout could have taken snaps and looked good against them"
Which is exactly what Chiles is. The guy is awesome and I know we all want VY back, but we haven't seen the guy throw the football enough yet, and don't start comparing that to Vince of 04'
"We all blame Greg Davis for dinking and dunking with these 5-10 yard passes, but I think that's due to Colt's inability to get the ball to Sweed and company on deep routes."
You have to blame davis because he hasn't even been given a chance to play the Qb position, Davis wants him to play scrambler.
by Romo9 on Oct 6, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying Chiles should step in RIGHT NOW
I'm saying by next year, he should be ready.
Colt's our main guy this year until his replacement is ready.
Someone please tell me why Colt is so good. Last year he had impressive stats for a freshman, but what has he done this year? Even the "impressive" passes he completed today against OU were a little behind or ahead of the receivers. Can he air it out downfield ala Simms or Major? (I'm not even going to bring Vince into this)
No.
When Colt throws deep down field, he overthrows the receiver by 5-10 yards or it gets picked. How many times have his passes been deflected/tipped at the line this year? You can't blame that all on the o-line. He can complete the hell out of 5-10 yard screen passes, but is that all you want from a QB? I don't. I want the ability to hit any receiver on the field at any time. I'm sorry, but Colt doesn't have that. If you think he does, you obviously haven't been paying attention this year.
by chief on Oct 6, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
The Texas recievers have just been dropping passes left and right, actually they have been popping them up in the air which is where the majority of his picks have come.
And Colt does have the ability to complet passes downfield, he did it last year, but his main downfield target, the 6'4'' Limas Sweed has been shutout by opposing defenses.
Can Chiles even throw the ball downfield? There is a reason for everything and i am betting that the fact that Chiles only started one year at QB for his high school has a reason behind it.
by Romo9 on Oct 6, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I'm not saying Chiles is the man this year
A year in the system will do wonders.
We have a very good receiving corp. They've been greatly under-utilized this year down field. Dropped balls happen, but it's not only dropped balls that cause our deep passing game to fail. From what I've seen, a lot of it is QB inaccuracy, and a lack of deep passing (which you can either blame on GD not calling, or Colt not completing. I don't think those are mutually exclusive)
by chief on Oct 6, 2007 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no regard for moral victories,
but overall I'm not terribly disappointed. We more or less broke even at the QB, D-line and receivers positions. Where we got beat was with Charles and, particularly, the O-line. Bradford had all day and Colt was running for his life, whether for real or in his mind. I've always been a fan of Jamaal, but his fumble was inexcusable - I can't say for sure that he should have caught the pass that was intercepted - he in his twilight now. The linebackers and secondary were their usual selves, average at best. But we've got plenty to play for and I think we're going to grow and get stronger. Let's think positive.
by Horntod on Oct 6, 2007 7:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, it was a good game.
The fumble by Pittman against OSU last year was a game changer, but certainly not the reason Texas lost. I can say with full confidence that while I am not, nor profess to be a soothsayer, Charles runs in the touchdown without fumbling and we walk out of the Cotton Bowl cheering on a team thats 3 up on OU in the last 3 years. How you are a junior that has yet to learn one of the most fundamental aspects of your position is beyond me. Hold the ball with 2 hands, and cuff it in one ONLY when you are in space. I am so sick of saying that "This will be Jamaal's breakout year" and having it not be true. He is incredibly talented, but he has hurt this team something fierce at times. Vondrell and Ogbonnaya cant outperform him yet, but he better watch out if he wants to keep his tsarting spot next year.
Colt McCoy was pretty awesome, and I blame both Jamaal and Sweed for dropping those big passes (Charles the one that led to an INT, Sweed the pass that Colt threw on the run). Chiles didnt look as good as he needed to be to start for Texas anytime soon, so I do have to defend the decision to not play him in the 2nd half.
My frustrations with the defense are still there, and while Akina may be listening to PB and the rest of the Longhorn Nation to play Kindle, Norton and Muckelroy, why is he waiting until the 4th quarter to make that decision? I know feelings would get hurt, but Akina needs to pull his head out of his ass and start those three against Iowa State next week, and see how the defense changes.
I will say this though: since I was sitting at the other end of the field, I couldnt see who did it, but I give a triple fuck you to whoever sacked McCoy after the whistle was blown in the first half, that was absolutely ridiculous.
Texas wins out if they play like they did today though, so thats positive. Losing to OU never feels good though.
by bendj on Oct 6, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would put this in its own diary, but...
I can just leave it here, and if you want to respond, feel free:
With the talent at the tight end position, what about Matt Jonesing it and putting Jermichael Finley as a receiver next year? The kid is scary fast, really big, and dangerous when he is out in the open.
by bendj on Oct 6, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re: finley
finley should be in the game even (rather, especially) when they go into 4 WR sets. Who better to have come across the middle than a TE with wicked nice hands who is bigger than all the LBs?
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 6, 2007 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what
Looking down the road and at the conference. I don't care what the talking heads say; we could still win the Big 12. Oaklahoma has weaknesses and someone else will exploit them. I don't see Misso going undefeated. We still could have a lot to play for. Its not over until its over.
by RemiMagnus on Oct 6, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you're absolutely right...
we need lots of help though. Winning out is obviously a must, but we'll need Oklahoma to lose 2 more conference games to jump back in front of them. That's always the case in the RRS. The loser needs the other team to lose 2 Conf games for you to jump them (see, OU last year).
by bleed burnt orange on Oct 6, 2007 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
Oaklahoma doesn't look that dominant and they have to misso. Hell they have to play texas tech who has been looking pretty good this year. Now people know how to beat Oaklahoma. A lot of crazier things have happened. Case in point last year our 2 consectutive loses.
by RemiMagnus on Oct 6, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
it was respectable and close... and if Charles doesn't fumble or Limas makes a catch maybe a different outcome. McCoy showed why he can be really good today when he got the time to throw, he got that time occassionally today and it showed. 19-26 for 324 and two TDs.
I am proud of the fact that they showed some pride and heart. Now we just need to finish the season well with what is left to us, win a bowl game and come back better prepared next year.
Texas Fight!!!
by HornsFan87 on Oct 6, 2007 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IF is a
HUGE word.....
by ut fan in ok on Oct 6, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The reason Chiles isnt
ready is in large part because of the lack of playing time. We blew his red shirt for run left, run right, and draw plays? It's amazing how content most people are with having had a chance to win. They didn't and they still refuse to effectively develop talent. Colt is a solid quarterback. no more, no less. He is not an MNC quarterback. I don't know if any other QB is because I dont get to see them. Texas might be the worst team in college football at developing talent. Thankfully they are good at recruiting top talent.
by thanos on Oct 6, 2007 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let the truth about Jamal be told
I am a huge fan of this blog and this is my first post. I almost always agree with what is said here like how we need to play the young linebackers and chiles needs to be more involved. However I have never agreed with the blind support of jamal charles. He is to small and he has always had a fumble problem. He makes me cringe everytime that he runs because I just know he is going to fumble. He totally sucked out all the momentum from the horns today with his fumble and he failed to make the play on the colt interception. When asked about his fumbles he acts like he doesn't care and obviously he hasn't learned to carry the ball correctly. That fumble today was not from a hard hit but rather from him being careless with the ball. I think its time for Mack to punish Jamal for his weak play and give Mcgee a real shot. Any coach with brains knows no matter how gifted a running back is, if he fumbles he can't be on the field.
by dustinp on Oct 6, 2007 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Any coach with brains...
might not include Mack. He keeps putting in those terrible LBs and has yet to replace that "Vince Young" offense.
by Romo9 on Oct 6, 2007 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fundamental football
Charles' main problem is that he has not yet mastered fundamental football. Any college running back should know how to protect the ball. Any receiver should know to avoid tipping the ball. He's got such great talent, it hurts to see how badly he plays the game. Don't they teach these players anything?
by Caradoc on Oct 7, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our receivers suck
how many times did Bradford have open receivers when he was pressured, is our defense that bad or are our "heralded" receivers just not that good? we got better protection this game than we have in 6 or 7 games and yet Colt still didn't have anyone to throw to, pitiful. There were at least 4 series that Colt was able to sit in the pocket for 4 mississippi plus and couldn't find anyone to throw to, this goes on our so called 5 star receiving corps not Colt. Not one time did Colt have a wide open to throw to on 3rd down. This was all on the offense, the defense came to play.
by juancdavila on Oct 6, 2007 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Penalties
Too many dumbass penalties -- by both sides. You might blame some of the jumps on crowd noise, but there's no excuse for the 30 second calls and timeouts to prevent them.
by Caradoc on Oct 7, 2007 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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