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I was just over at Rivals and is it just me, or does Texas's incoming recruiting class look bleak for Texas?

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First off, they have zero 5 star recruits and they are vanishing quickly, there are only 2 left that Texas has a shot with. They do have quite alot of 4 stars but their highest ranked player comes in at #49...#49!!! Thats just not right.

They are, however, in the running for the #1 player in the country, Terrelle Pryor. A dual-treat QB who runs a 4.4 at 6'6'', 235 lbs. The man had 44 total tds as a junior. Pryor is drawing an awful lot of comparisons to, you guessed it, Vince Young. Also, they are in the running for the #1 back in the country(#4 player), Darrell Scott, who is 6', 204 and ran for 3,194 yards and 45 touchdowns as a junior.

I also noticed the lack of high ranked Texas players. With only 6 in the top 50, including 1 in the top 10, another in the top 20, and another in the top 30, and guess where they're going? OU.

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valid concern...

but this is still a very solid class. and if you look at last year's, 2006's class, and the 2009 class which is shaping up to be the best since the 2002 VY class. It doesn't hurt that bad.  We are getting more terrific talent in the secondary (DJ Monroe and Aaron williams) and at WR (Dan Buckner and DeSean Hales)

by mvplonghorns on Oct 7, 2007 4:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But seeing as

Texas can't develop their 5 star talent, what is supposed to lead me to believe that they can develop lesser caliber players?

by Romo9 on Oct 7, 2007 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you're right...

we're getting a crappy class full of losers, and we couldn't develop them anyway even if they had a smidgen of talent.

glad you're not overreacting or anything...

by agent orange on Oct 7, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

glad you're refraining from...

engaging in bombast as well. He didnt say anything close to that.

by mento on Oct 7, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I apologize...

I was being bombastic, and sarcastic and several other -tic words...

That old, tired mantra of "don't develop talent" just gets on my nerves.  Vince was on a completely different level when he left than when he got here.  Lesser regarded recruits such as Michael Huff and Brian Robison can say the same thing.  Sure there are some high-profile recruits who never quite reached the heights anticipated for them.  And you cannot point me to another school that does not have the same exact scenario...

So I did reply in a rather snide manner.  But now I'm apologizing.  Because I just saw the diary regarding the new depth chart.  And I saw the same exact failed starters in again at linebacker.  And at this point I'm so disgusted that I'm jumping on every negative bandwagon I see rolling by...  So, yeah, we don't develop talent enough, and now we're not getting the top talent either, and we won't develop lesser talent either...

Okay, I waited a minute or two...   sadly, I don't feel any better.  And I still don't think all that's quite true.  But I am still hugely pissed about the linebacking thing, if that helps any.

by agent orange on Oct 8, 2007 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI
  We've probably got a >5% chance at Scott or Pryor.

by Old Tex29 on Oct 7, 2007 7:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Greater than?

so you are saying that we have 5 to 100 percent change for them?  I like those odds.

by Wells on Oct 8, 2007 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're going to call someone out...

you might want to proofread your own post first ;)

by gwh65 on Oct 8, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Change, chance, they are practically the same word.

by Wells on Oct 9, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott

Darell Scott doesn't hold a scholie and probably won't unless he seeks out Texas and recruits us rather than the other way around and I don't see that happening. Sad really.

If we somehow are able to get a commitment from Chancey A, I could see him, AJ Williams, DeSean Hales, and/or DJ Monroe being moved up to 5 stars.

I read a national recruiting expert say that if DJ Monroe was only a few inches taller he'd be the #1 corner in the country.

by FBuck on Oct 7, 2007 8:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

re: Scott

"Darell Scott doesn't hold a scholie and probably won't unless he seeks out Texas and recruits us rather than the other way around and I don't see that happening. Sad really."  

 I will never understand Mack's approach to recruiting out of state players.

 

Williams, Hales, and Monroe are the incoming recruits I'm most excited about as well. Our corners may suck now, but there certainly is some nice talent waiting in the wings and on its way.  

Unfortunately, I see Aghayere ending up a Croc.  

by Old Tex29 on Oct 7, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've said this before, but...

the star-rating a guy get in high school doesn't mean jack to me.  Cases in point:

  1. Edorian McCullough and Marquis Johnson were 5-stars.  Brian Robison was a 3-star.
  1. Tony Hills was a 5-star (and the #1) tight end.
  1. Nate Jones and Derek Lokey were 3-star. Bobino a 2-star (although he IS playing like one, it doesn't mean being a 2 star recruit out of HS = no PT)
  1. McCoy and Muck were 3-star

Different athletes develop differently once the get to college.  It is a general baseline, but in the end I think it's useless.  Rather, I look to see if the team is fulfilling its needs at certain positions.

There may be outside reasons why some of the recruits don't fulfill their star ratings (or play above them).  I heard Hills tore his ACL during his sr year of high school, got fat, and decided at coach's urging to become a lineman.  Anyone know what really happened to him and others?

...til Gabriel blows his horn

by BigTexBD on Oct 7, 2007 9:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tony Hills

Tony Hills was a 5-star (and the #1) tight end.

Tony Hills is a bad example IMO because I have no doubt that he would have been a stud TE if not for the injury before his Freshman season.  He lost all of his speed after that.  It is amazing that he was able to put on the pounds and become a good OL.

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 7, 2007 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

Edorian who?

by whoopspat on Oct 7, 2007 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recruiting rankings are far from "useless"

And citing a handful of examples doesn't show much, especially when there are far more counterexamples out there that Rivals got right.  

by Old Tex29 on Oct 7, 2007 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

The very point that he could only point out 2-3 players out of a 20+ player class proves him wrong!

In Mack We Trust.

by Cyrus on Oct 7, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its a personal thing

I was just saying that I personally don't take much stock in the rating system.  Sure, it would be obvious that a class of 5 5-stars and 15 4-stars would be better than a class of 5 4-stars and 15 3-stars.  Even I can see that.  But ratings don't mean much to me if the coaches can't turn those kids into the equivalent talent at the college level.

So like I said before, they're a baseline.  But in the end, unless you get an obviously phenomenal class (like Texas' in 2002, when everyone knew it was gonna be special), I don't think there's much of a difference between having the #1 rated class vs the #10 rated class.  So for me it's worthless to stress out about such things.  What I think is key is to see if the team addresses positional deficiencies.

...til Gabriel blows his horn

by BigTexBD on Oct 8, 2007 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

interpret these rankings with a level head

You are correct; this is a "down" year for Texas on the recruiting front, according to the ranking sites.  It's not much to worry about though, for several reasons already mentioned in the comment thread.

Here's a list of a few reasons why I am not worried, and actually quite excited for the 2008 class.

  1. Take the 2006 and 2007 class.  Together they supply incredible potential at OL, LB and DB.  When you bring in players like Kindle, Eddie Jones, Curtis Brown, Beasley, Huey, Norton etc in back to back years, there is a solid foundation.  Consider 2008 a supplementary class to the two knockout classes prior.  The 06 and 07ers will help Texas bounce back after this season (and possibly during this season depending on their maturation) and the 08s will only add to that presence.
  1. You can't deny quality, regardless of what the rankings say.  Check out the little highlight flicks of WR Dan Buckner, WR/Ath DeSean Hales, and the two stud CBs, Monroe and Williams.  You just can't deny how awesome these players look.
  1. Consider two years down the road when Texas could possibly have a secondary comprised of Deon Beasley, Chykie Brown, Curtis Brown, DJ Monroe and Aaron Williams.  There will be no way Sam Bradford or any other QB beats them.
  1. Sort of tailing off here, but one last thing.  Few programs are perennially ranked in the top 10 of any recruiting sites.  The best programs, including Texas, recruit in waves with a "weak" year once every three or four years.  Sometimes it's due to a lack of available scholarships.  The 2005 UT class suffered from this.  Sometimes there just happens to be a perfect storm like this current class.  We are "losing" a handful of top notch recruits to OU, but most of those players have longstanding ties to OU or Norman.  Perhaps Mack could have swayed one or two of those players (RJ Washington, Good, Habern) but those guys were clearly leaning OU early on.
  1. Final reason: Look ahead.  The 2009, as far away as it seems right now, looks like it could rival 2002(?), the year of VY, Justin Blalock and others.

by Kool Hand on Oct 8, 2007 12:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the '08 class is solid

Although Texas has not secured a 5 star recruit for next year (and will not land any of the remaining talent) the class is still a solid class.  Texas typically has not landed this many 4 star players in one class.  Texas will live and die by in-state recruiting, and this year's class was not viewed as strong as previous ones in the state.  However, Texas is adding some much needed depth in this class -- outside of the glaring need to recruit a top tier QB.

I've seen Jeremy Hills - the guy is explosive and difficult to tackle.  He had a great game vs Elsik's biggest rival Hastings.

Johnson & Humphrey will at some depth at their positions which is much needed (LB and DT). While the collection of DBs will bolster the secondary.  As others have mentioned, some of these guy's may not necessarily fit the Rivals prototype for 5 stars, but many recruiting publications I've seen have suggested that some of Texas' 4 star players could likely be changed to 5 start guys after scouts evaluate their performance this year. At this point, it really doesn't matter.  All that matters is that the collection is solid (not great).

The real prize is the '09 recruiting class. Fortunately those legals woes we had in the summer could not have come before a better recruiting year.  Texas will be able to offer the Joseph, Jones, Gatewood etc scholarships to additional players in this class.  (If only they would have found a way to kick Melton off the team!)

The '09 class features some very good QBs, at least two of which are dual threat and are connected to UT.  In addition, the top running back Chris Whaley is a monster of a RB (size and speed) and from all accounts will be perhaps the top prospect in the state.  You can expect Texas will be trying to secure his commitment come February.  This year is really the year for Texas to recruit a top RB as JC is heading into his senior season next year.

The majority of the top talent in this class has participated in Texas football camps and is already very familar with the coaching staff.  If Mack is every bit the recruiter we think he is, Texas' 09 class should rivals the 2002 class in terms of amount of recruits and top tier talent.

by BMG on Oct 8, 2007 8:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

5* doesn't mean what it used to.

While if may be nice to brag about the number of stars your recruits have, I agree that it doesn't really mean much.  A good strength and conditioning program will pretty much even out the top end of things.

If you are consistently in the top 15 in recruiting classes, you are doing as well as anyone else in the country.

by Brandon 97 on Oct 8, 2007 8:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I'm glad at least one other person has made this observation.

The content on those websites is a product carefully manipulated and marketed to get the highest reach possible.

They alot 5 stars and 4 stars similiar to an electoral college. It gives more regions and states the opportunity to chase blue chip players. That way fans of all teams can have blue chips on their offer list.
Who wants to pay for a service telling them their players are second rate?

A 3 star in Texas could very well be a 4 star in Kansas or a 4 star in Florida could be a 5 star in Utah.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Oct 8, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget Terrell Pryor

Check out this Sophomore highlight video of Russell Shepard.  This kid is going to be a stud and he is a Texas fan.  Between him and Gilbert from Lake Travis, we should get a solid QB out of the 2009 Class.

Take it for what it's worth but, from everything I have heard about Pryor, he wants to play basketball and football.  Mack will not allow him to play more than one sport, which is why he won't seriously consider Texas.

by SuperHorn on Oct 9, 2007 9:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, TEN 4*s is "bleak".

"bleak"?

DeSean Hales WR 5-10/165 6.0
Jarvis Humphrey DT 6-2/290 6.0
D.J. Monroe DB 5-9/165 6.0
Aaron Williams DB 6-1/175 6.0
Nolan Brewster DB 6-1/195 5.9
Dan Buckner WR 6-4/209 5.9
Luke Poehlmann OL 6-6/260 5.9
Mark Buchanan OL 6-6/275 5.8
Jeremy Hills RB 5-10/181 5.8
Dravannti Johnson LB 6-2/230 5.8

by cortexas on Oct 9, 2007 10:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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