Midseason Review: Quarterbacks
We're halfway through the regular season, with a 4-2 record. Our Big 12 title hopes are only mathematically alive. Now's a good time to evaluate who's done what so far, along with what adjustments need to be made, and towards which goals.
As not to overwhelm, we'll go through each position separately.
Statistics

Overview
There's been a discernable gulf between Colt McCoy's 2007 on-field performance and the way Texas fans have been willing to talk about those performances. For the most part, fans have tiptoed around his mediocre season by thinking nostalgically about his strong freshman campaign. Whether that's been optimism that he'd turn things around or hesitancy to disparage such a likable kid I don't know.
Now, though, Texas has lost four straight conference games. That hasn't happened since John Mackovic's final disastrous season at the helm in 1997. Moreover, there's a mountain of evidence that Texas' offensive coordinator is ill-suited to succeed consistently with a quarterback like McCoy. It's not irrational fanaticism that's driving people to compare the current team with "pre-VY" teams. The comparison is valid. This looks like another good-not-great offensive football team with another good-not-great quarterback.
It's a little bit unfair to McCoy, of course. He's making mistakes on his own, but he's also bound somewhat by his coaches and their system. There are days when I think Greg Davis could make Tom Brady look helpless and lost.
McCoy does have to shoulder the bulk of the blame for his performance, though. He's developed an unseemly habit of locking in on his intended target, to the point where fans watching at home on the television can predict what McCoy's about to do long before he does it. Good defensive coordinators have taught their players McCoy's tendencies, and how to exploit them.
There is also the running to consider. McCoy's not a bad athlete by any stretch, but he's a non-issue in terms of being a runner defenses must account for. This would be less of a problem in a different system, but as is, we're pointlessly running our offense out of the shotgun.
As for John Chiles, the guy's still in the plastic wrapping. We've seen the tantalizing athleticism in small doses, but for the most part, he's been ignored. We'll have to withhold evaluation until we see more from him.
Adjustments
The 800-pound gorilla in the room is the quarterback question. I know a lot of fans don't want to think about it, let alone talk about it. We (myself included) all thought Colt McCoy was a team strength and the key to Texas' offensive proficiency in 2007. That wasn't quite right.
Fair or not, I think we're starting to see why the ceiling for Texas' offense under Colt McCoy just isn't high enough for this team to accomplish its goals. While some of that is due to McCoy's own limitations, I think more of it centers around Greg Davis. We've had a lot of good offensive teams during Davis' years in Austin, but only two truly great ones. I don't have to tell you who quarterbacked those two teams.
This begs the question: should Texas start transitioning to John Chiles? It might work out for the better and it might not, but there are at least two undeniable points:
- It would be criminal for the coaches not to figure out what they have with John Chiles. Starting this year. If they wait too long, or don't take seriously the task of exploring Chiles' abilities, we'll be in the exact same position next year.
- The Texas offense's upside is greater with a mobile quarterback than without. Again, this just isn't that fair to McCoy, but football isn't about fairness and making friends. Everyone talks about the goals of the team being what's most important. Is it just lip service? We'll find out.
Given those two points, when it's all said and done, the biggest potential mistake of the 2007 season wouldn't have anything to do with lackluster performances against Kansas State, or missed opportunities against Oklahoma. It would be failing to explore what this offense can be with John Chiles as its quarterback.
Maybe Chiles isn't as great as some believe. Maybe he gets hurt and the point is moot. But we might just find that Chiles adds a dimension to this offense which brings things up a notch. Or perhaps we stumble into a nice combo package where both McCoy and Chiles are parts of the plan. Whatever might happen, the only thing we know for sure right now is that we don't know enough.
That, and we've lost four straight conference games. Plausible deniability should no longer be tolerated. Fans demand competence. The players deserve competence.
End of story.
--PB--
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Comments
Yeah, those are my thoughts.
I think that's the first post of yours that I've agreed with 100%.
by chief on Oct 8, 2007 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LSU?
Flynn/Perrilloux... McCoy/Chiles? I say try it.
by HornsFan87 on Oct 8, 2007 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
PB you are...
Well you're absolutely right. I think people do not understand that Colt is not built for the kind of offense Davis is comfortable running. Chiles, is. Another thing, I've heard others on here say that they think Colt is just not getting a fair shake and that we are quick to look past 29 TD's. That was also behind an experienced and national championship-winning offensive line protecting him. (Oklahoma's Sam Bradford has something similar to that this year.)It can't be understated that Colt played a nice game on Saturday, but this offensive line of ours is at least a year, maybe, two away from being solid. We must make adjustments according to the talent we have to work with. If we stick with Colt, which is what we will do, the same thing that happened to a talented quarterback from New Jersey will happen to Colt. He will take a lot of unnecessary blame from fans because of a coach who isn't qualified, honestly to coach him. I once remember Chris Simms saying something to the effect that he thought the offensive schemes that GD ran back then were too predictable and unimaginative. I truly feel thats why he never really succeeded here. And ultimately why Colt won't succeed here with Greg Davis either. Sadly, I'm really feeling bad for McCoy. I just don't see his experience at Teas turning out to be a pleasant one in the future. And it won't even be his fault.
by saveadre on Oct 8, 2007 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
"Colt is not built for the kind of offense Davis is comfortable running"
What's funny (or disgustingly pathetic) is that this is exactly the kind of offense Greg Davis is comfortable running. It was the Vince offense that was the anomaly.
There is a deep irony to be extracted from the fact that Greg Davis earned a reputation with an offense that relied mostly on the QB making his own decisions, and it is that very reputation that now precludes him from allowing Colt to develop properly in his own crappy system.
How funny that he will be pressured into resurrecting an offense he never really wanted in the first place, because his own ideas are not allowing us to live according to the standards of success to which this community has become accustomed.
Its like a comedian bombing on stage with his own jokes, only to find that the stuff his 11-year-old daughter writes goes over like gangbusters when he uses it. So for a while, he uses her material, just to get some more gigs going. Soon after, he gets a reputation for being hilarious, gets invited on Leno thinking people actually like his comedy, only to bomb again when he uses his own stuff.
That's pretty much what Greg Davis is. He's a comedian who bombs with his own material, a sad man who keeps believing that it is not he who is mediocre, that it is the world that needs to come around to his brand of humor...but the world never does.
I almost feel sorry for him, sad little man that he is.
But then I remind myself of the atrocities and crimes he's committed against the masculine well-being of this University and all of its persons, and instead of sympathy, I simply continue to feel that he should just go off somewhere and die.
by BrooklynHorn on Oct 9, 2007 3:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW.
by saveadre on Oct 9, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
QBs
I think McCoy played a great game on Saturday. (19/26 - 73% - 324 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). He has definitely been hindered by an inexperienced OL, I don't think anybody would argue with that. Now it turns out his best receiver has been playing injured for half the season.
However, given the current situation, I would like to see Chiles mixed in there more often. But I still have a lot of faith in McCoy, and I think he should remain #1. Maybe put in Chiles for certain situations, just to mix it up, or go for the Chiles/McCoy tandem package. Whatever works.
And let's not forget, Sherrod Harris is a great runner as well. He's had an extra year in the system, plus more overall experience playing the position. I'd assume his passing is a little more consistent than that of Chiles, but of course I have no evidence to support that. Let's give Sherrod a chance to show what he can do, provided that he is 100% healthy.
by SelimSivad on Oct 8, 2007 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ou texas game
So get back to me on that
by whoscryingnow2821 on Oct 8, 2007 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
The game's outcome is irrelevant in that regard.
by Peter Bean on Oct 8, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
Actually we established that he was born and is being raised in Texas. And no I'm not that kid. Just saw the pic.
by whoscryingnow2821 on Oct 8, 2007 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw the pic?
And decided to go through the process of creating a BON account in order to post a pic that you "found"? What a life!
by JohnsonUT on Oct 8, 2007 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tu?
Born and raised in Texas by some aggies it looks like.
Still, good work holding that grudge for a year, mom.
by the other Andrew on Oct 8, 2007 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Is this some kind of joke. You know your life sucks when your happiness revolves around a football game.
Don't get me wrong my happines for about a day or two revolves around a football game but i get over it. Not only does your happines revolve around it you have to go on the site of your enemy and prove it. Thats just sad.
Wow that is just sad. Thats why Texas is superpior and OU/A&M are not.
by longhorn4life on Oct 8, 2007 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to burst your bubble...
but it's 9:05pm CT, and OU children are still crying.

by goingforthecorner on Oct 8, 2007 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rock and a hard place...
I definitely agree that Chiles/Harris are a better fit for Davis' offense. However, if Davis just threw one of them into the starting role, would we really get to see what they could do? I ask this not because of John or Sherrod's shortcomings (we haven't seen enough yet), but because of this year's offensive line's shortcomings. Is this line capable of being proficient in a 2004/2005 VY style offense? I should say, would they be more proficient in a VY style offense this year than with Colt and the current offense? I don't know the answer to that, but I would love to know it. However, I still strongly believe that this team is capable of going on a second half run and finishing 10-2. Obviously, Texas' NC and Big XII title hopes are gone, but I still think that a BCS at-large bid is possible (don't laugh; look at what's happened so far this season across the country). Now, is that type of run possible with Chiles/Harris at the controls? Or would we just have to settle with 8ish wins, Alamo/Independence bid, and the satisfaction of knowing we'll have a killer offense in '08? I still think that Colt gives us a better chance at a run THIS SEASON, but damn, it sure is tempting to see what the future could hold with John Chiles or Sherrod Harris and the multitude of weapons at their disposal. Bottom line is, I'm truly torn. I don't know what I want. All I know is that the second half of this season could have a profound (positive or negative) impact on the next couple of seasons.
by Sweed4Heisman on Oct 8, 2007 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm torn as well
Sweed4,
I agree with most everything you wrote. You know the saying, the QB gets more credit than he deserves when the team wins, and too much of the blame when the team loses. I think that's in play a little bit here.
We knew the O-Line would be inexperienced, but I think we underestimated how much it would be a factor this season. I don't imagine Colt had a lot to worry about last year with the O-Line, so maybe he felt a little more confident in making a play with his legs when he needed to, instead of running for his life this year. Must be a completely different mindset for him in that regard. I thought Colt ran very effectively last year when the time/opportunity called for it.
I'm still less worried about Colt's performance to date than with problems at the LB position, a still somewhat suspect secondary, and less than stellar play on Special Teams, aside from the Offensive play-calling and the O-Line.
I just don't see Chiles stepping in at this point and making things better. Sure, his mobility would help us make a play here and there, but I don't think it's consistent enough for us to win out, which I think is very possible.
Do I want to see Chiles get more game time? Absolutely. We're vulnerable this year without him or Harris getting some reps. But this isn't a lost season. There's still a lot to play for.
One thing I will say about Colt, though. I wonder if he's walked into GD or Mack's office and talked to them about creating things that suit his talents? From a leadership perspective, that would be great to see.
The flip side to that is if GD can make changes to suit VY, he should be open enough to make those changes for Colt.
Overall, I don't think Colt has played badly enough to warrant major changes to his playing time. It should only be affected by the desire to get a backup QB more reps just in case for this season, and set up a free for all in the offseason.
by LeftHandedTexan on Oct 8, 2007 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely
Quarterbacks definitely do get disproportionate amounts of credit, and I don't believe that Colt's struggles this season are all his own fault. The main thing for me is the two directions the rest of the season can take. Colt gives us the the better chance to win out, but (due to GD's stubbornness in his system) I believe that Chiles/Harris is the answer for the future. I think that if Colt would've had a more ordinary year last year, I would be less hesitant to get 100% on the Chiles/Harris bandwagon. But, he had a magical freshman season. He grew on me last year (I think he grew on most of us), and I really want to see him succeed not only this season, but in the future as well. I would hate to see such a good kid lose his spot simply because GD can't adjust to his skill set, but if that's what it takes for Texas Football to get where we want them to be, then I guess I'll have to deal. I just can't express how torn this situation has me.
by Sweed4Heisman on Oct 8, 2007 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florida last year.
More experienced qb who didn't quite fit the coach's system, but wasstill capable of leading the offense. Still used a freshman qb who was quite capable of running on running downs. How did that situation work out for florida?
by JohnsonUT on Oct 8, 2007 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
O-Line
I don't think that the 2007 Texas O-Line is at the same level as that of last year's Gators. 2 QB system is tempting, I agree, but I don't think Texas has the horses up front to pull it off the way Florida did last year.
by Sweed4Heisman on Oct 8, 2007 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colt is our guy Goddamn it.
Did anybody watch the game? He just proved that he is our guy. I honestly now believe that we will run the table with Colt. We don't need a change at qb we need a change in scheme and offensive philoshpy. Just like when GD changed the offense to fit VY's abilities he needs to do that for Colt. Go back to the pre-VY offense.
We kind of got a glimpse of that against OU. We need a more two back offense and utilizing the tight end with play action. I can't believe now that we are questiong who is going to be our qb. If Colt stunk it up then it would be a reasonable question but he played brilliantly and was done in by JC.
We need to question who is going to be our running back, why we don't make any plays on D, and where the fuck is Limas motherfucking Sweed.
by longhorn4life on Oct 8, 2007 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree Colt is our guy...
Yep he proved it to me too. Saturday was a great performance from him... its what I was looking for from day one this season.
Since everyone is so hot on Chiles, her might be a good solution. How about trying what LSU is trying with Flynn and Perrilloux with Chiles and McCoy? McCoy starts, gets 75-85% of the playing time and Chiles gets worked in meaningfully to scare the crud out of the defense and get experience. That system could work. It's fair to both and won't cause a QB problem/controversy.
BTW, in case you had not heard Sweed is out for the season. See the diary about his wrist and surgery he is about to have. What a shame.
by HornsFan87 on Oct 8, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, luckily...
the o-line should be more seasoned and, with any luck, better by September next year. Remember, we lose only Tony Hills to NFL stardom and Dallas Griffin to his plush MBA existence.
We're returning 4 lineman with substantial experience: Tanner, Hall, Dockery and Ulatoski. And we return 4 lineman with limited experience but higher recruiting ratings (Buck aside): Burnette, Allen, Hix and Huey. We can get Webb back as well, although I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Offensive line play is extremely crucial for our QB's development, whoever he may be. Let's hope that as this season progresses, Colt or Chiles can get more comfortable behind this line, so that as next season approaches, we can look at lot more like a Loadholt and a lot less like a load of holes.
By the way, my vote's still for Colt, but it's not going to matter who's back there if the o-line doesn't develop.
by jc25 on Oct 8, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2001 and 1998
both better offensive teams than 2004, so I really disagree with that point. In fact the 2003 team with Roy Williams was actually a more explosive offense than the 2004 team that really had to grind it out.
I think Colt can succeed if he plays play he did last week (and last season.) But Davis absolutely has to call some pass plays aimed at the middle of the field (not just the sidelines,) and the running game needs to become a lot more consistant. Everyone points fingers at the so called "vince young offense," but if you actually watch the game there are lots of under center sets and even quite a bit of I formation, but the running doesn't improve that much. The issue lies with JC and the Oline more than the scheme.
by Matt on Oct 8, 2007 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stay with the steady hand, develop depth
I expect Colt to be the starting QB for the immediate future - he has the experience, the decision-making skill and the on-the-field game management capability much greater that both back-ups lack.
That being said, I think most any coaching staff would be so smart to say "we must develop our back-ups and must devote at least a quarter per game for the #2 and some time to #3 over the next three games, minimum."
And explain it to Colt and the team like that: this team must have experienced back-up QBs. There are too many dangers to not do this. And if things break out way, then we're so much more able to take care of our business with the security of knowing we have experience at #2 and some at #3.
In developing those QBs, many of the questions raised here might then be more obvious and more easily addressed in light of the play on the field. Colt works best right now because there is no other experienced QB. But John and Sherrod have plenty to offer and suit this offense much better; developing their judgment is an on-the-field exercise, there's no other way. And it must happen from here on in to avoid the kind of disaster we had last year where there were no real alternatives.
This team has a range of problems; a young O-line that will get better with time and can't be pushed much faster than it is going; DB's in much the same boat; a seemingly solvable but somehow intractable problem with the LBs; a weak running game and not much deep threat (due to lack of time or confidence).
You can add in that Colt is not the most suitable QB for this offense but it is a moot point in terms of experience; the back-ups have virtually no experience in any system, right or wrong.
When a team has so many problems, you don't add more; you stabilize what you can. Starting Chiles would add something but would also extract a cost. These coaches just won't do that.
There is no clear and sweeping answer to the QB question, no magic bullet. This team will get better with each game it plays. The real question is whether they'll make a commitment to really developing the depth and experience they need for next year.
And in light of the loss of Sweed, with Quan as the only back-up, start cross training JCharles out there now.
by whills on Oct 8, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colt
I said somewhere before that Colt is Applewhite's premature reincarnation. He comes to Texas, wins us over as a redshirt freshman with some gutty play, makes some mistakes the next year, and now he's in line to be supplanted by someone for the starting job (or so most everyone here seems to think). I agree with some of you who believe that there is an offense for QB's like McCoy. Greg Davis' job is to find and use it. When If he doesn't, why don't we "put in Aaaaapplewhite," and speed the inevitable? I don't know... I just don't want Colt to lose his job because the coaches can't figure out how to use him. I mean, his name is Colt McCoy!
by Horn Brain on Oct 8, 2007 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Then again...
If we had an offensive coordinator who was COMPETENT enough, he could run an offense no matter who was at QB. That's what offensive coordinators are paid for, not to run an effective offense only when an insanely gifted athlete is our QB.
Hell, Colt is as gutsy and talented as they come. The fact that Davis is still employing ineffective plays and schemes is a reflection on him, not our QB. As long as he stays, we'll be having the same discussions every season (barring the emergence of a VY-like QB).
by jjv78 on Oct 9, 2007 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Post
Like chief, I completely agree with you. Excellent analysis. I especially agree that Greg Davis is fully capable of destroying Tom Brady's tallent. Despite that, Colt isn't the guy to take this team into the future, no matter who our OC is. Chiles and Harris are better athletes. Davis should do a better job of adapting to Colt, but, sadly, he is just plain limited at this point.
Looking at the rest of the season, under the current scheme, especially now that Sweed is out for the season, we have a 50/50 chance of loosing to Nebraska, Tech, A&M, and I'm not sure OSU shouldn't be put in that category as well. Also, Iowa State concerns me. Chizik knows all 5 of Greg Davis's plays, and will likely be successful at picking them apart.
We have to be honest about the current situation, and we have to be more concerned about the future.
Again, excellent post.
by Texas Our Texas on Oct 9, 2007 9:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colt
Colt is a good college quarterback with limitations. Not highly recruited and the limited ability with the deep ball for example might be just one reason.
Can Texas with the current staff win with a QB like Colt? Remembering that he loses a good chunk of his WR corp next season ( and maybe even Quan.) The inability to run the ball against better competiton while not new will plague him as well IMO.
Texas needs to recruit two stud QB's this year and then RS both. The lack of depth, experienced depth at QB has been an issue for most of Brown's tenure at Texas. Simms needed a RS, Chiles needed one as well. Yet Texas simply could not afford to do tis. Even in the NC season we were fortunate that Vince was never injured.
The loss, and my opinion mishandling of Sneed, cost Texas a shot at the conference title last season. had Texas played him in blowouts earlier and let him run the offense, his attitude and development may, may have been different. Even if Chiles or a stud recruit McCoy will be the starter without much development of a backup if history is any indicator. Only a punter loses his job under Mack Brown.
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