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Rethinking the BCS strategy

I just wanted to post my thoughts somewhere and see what people smarter than me have to say.  After seeing that Kansas and Missouri continue to roll, I'm having second thoughts about exactly what to hope for in order for the Horns to get a BCS bid.  Until now, the discussion has centered around hoping that Kansas and Missouri stumble somewhere and then lose to OU and hope that BCS bowls will choose a 2-loss Texas team over the others.  Here are my thoughts on this:

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  1. Kansas is looking pretty darn good.  Sure, they haven't played anybody with less than 4 losses, but they've looked impressive in the games they have won.  With only two games left (Iowa State and Missouri), I see Kansas potentially only losing 1, which would make them a 1 loss team at the end of the regular season.
  1. Missouri has also looked impressive and has only lost to OU, a team that we lost to as well.  They take on K-State next and can beat a team we were embarrassed at home by.  Seeing as how K-State was throttled by a terrible Nebraska team, this is very possible.
  1. OU has two more teams to play as well, Tech and OSU, and conventional thinking has been that we cheer for them to win out and roll on in the Championship.

So now we get to the possible end of the season, post Big 12 Championship scenarios.  

  1. Kansas beats Missouri and goes on to play OU while being undefeated.  Missouri becomes a two loss team with a resume that is potentially better than Texas'.  If Kansas were to go on to beat Missouri, then an undefeated Kansas team would go the National Championship and a two-loss OU team would probably be selected over a two-loss Texas team.  This much is known already.  However, if Kansas lost and OU rolled on, Kansas would only be a 1 loss team with that loss being to a potential national title contender and a team that beat us.  To get an at large nod over Kansas, we would have to bank our hopes on Bowl officials recognizing our fan base and economic might as a "burnt orange nation".  But I'm starting to believe that would be very difficult to do given how impressive Kansas has looked.
  1. Missouri defeats Kansas making the Jayhawks a 1 loss team.  Again if Missouri wins, we're out because a two loss OU gets in before us.  If Missouri loses, they're a two loss team but Kansas is STILL a 1 loss team.  Would BCS Bowls really ignore this?  Why wouldn't they argue they are more deserving of an at large spot?  Why wouldn't Missouri get an at large spot because they lost to the same team twice, with OU being a potential National Title contender?

Given the weak games coming up for both Missouri and Kansas before their big showdown, I don't see stumbling happening for either team.  We then get into a very stick predicament where we are just praying that bowl officials pick us over two other teams that have just as strong a case as we do.  All this is true IF OU goes on to win out.

My point is this, maybe we should be sticking to our guns and follow through on our year after year hope that OU crashes and burns and proves to the rest of the country that they suck as much as we know they do.  If OU stumbles against either Tech or OSU (which I think is much more likely than Kansas or Missouri stumbling), but not both, they go on to the Big 12 Championship as a two loss team.  If they lose that game then they become a 3 loss team and would be out of the BCS picture.  If the team they lose to is Missouri, then there's STILL a 1 loss Kansas team out there for us to contend with and I think they get selected over us because they loss to a Missouri team that may be going on the National Championship.  

Here is what I will be hoping for then.  I'm hoping for Kansas to roll on and win out and for OU to stumble somewhere before the Big 12 Championship.  If this happens, then we only have to contend with a two loss Missouri for an at large spot.  In my opinion, if things don't unfold this way then its a long shot we get into a BCS game and we'll be completely resting our hopes on BCS bowls ignoring the resumes of Missouri and Kansas and picking us purely on our fan base.  And to be honest, even if this did happen, as a fan of college football I'm not sure how I would personally feel abot seeing economics winning over performance.

I'm pretty confident there will be a much larger discussion of all this spurred on by PB and company, but I've been thinking about this since the end of the Kansas game last night and just needed to get my thoughts out somewhere.  Thanks a lot if you made it this far, now what are your thoughts?

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Remember, the BCS is about money

The best shot for Texas making a BCS bowl is OU winning the conference.  They'll get the auto bid, leaving Kansas, Missouri, and Texas as potential at-large teams.

Texas has a much larger draw than either Kansas or Missouri, no matter what their final records may be.  Put simply, we'll make more money for the BCS.

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by chief on Nov 11, 2007 12:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Chief

Missou and Kansas do not have just as strong a case, because the argument is not who deserves it more, but who will bring more fans and TV viewers to the game.
And a two loss Texas on a six game win streak is a better draw both locally with the numbers of Texas fans who are will to travel to a BCS game and nationally with the number of Texas fans who will watch the game and more general football fans will tune into a Texas game than a Missou or Kansas game.

by Wells on Nov 11, 2007 12:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post

I completely agree with you.  If OU were to win out, we'd have little hope.  The best case scenario if OU wins out is Mizzou beats KU and loses to OU, at which point we would have a small chance.

The best scenario is for KU to win out, OU to fall to either OSU or TTU, and Texas to get the nod over Mizzou.  If KU beats Mizzou and OU (which is possible, since they've been really good at not making mistakes, and taking advantage of opponents' mistakes.  OU and MU will give them plenty of those.), I can see our economic draw pulling us in over another 2 loss team, but not a one loss team.  If that happened, Mangino would lay a turd in the Rose Bowl that would simply not flush.

If OU were to collapse and let us into the XII title game, I would be worried about playing Kansas or Mizzou.  Unless, of course, Good Texas shows up on offense and defense.  Then we'd wipe the floor with anybody.

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by Horn Brain on Nov 11, 2007 12:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dont agree

If OU wins out, the BCS bowls would not want a two loss Missouri over a two loss Texas.  The one loss Kansas case is tougher, but I don't think they get the automatic nod.  They are not a football school and I think bowls would worry that they will not travel very well coming off a loss that dashed their national championship hopes.

by Wells on Nov 11, 2007 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Need Sooners to Keep on Winning

As painful as that sounds, we should be rooting hard for OU, unless you think OU will lose to both Tech and OSU or lose to one of them and also lose in the Big 12 title game.

But I don't expect OU to lose another regular season game. If they do finish the regular season at 11-1, we will also need them to win the Big 12 title. If they lose to either Kansas or Missouri, they will likely get an at-large selection over Texas.

If they win the Big 12, then it is beauty contest between Texas, Kansas, and Missouri. Texas would have won six straight and frankly is Texas, which means tons to the bowls and to the TV people. Kansas and Missouri would both be ending the season with losses and will not be as attractive to bowls or tv people.

This isn't about who is better on paper or who has played better throughout the 13 previous games, at-large selections are about picking teams that are in the top of the BCS, have fans that will travel and spend money, and will ilict high TV ratings. Burnt orange glasses or not, Texas is a more attractive pick than KU or Missouri.

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by awiggo on Nov 11, 2007 5:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

only conference championship

We only want OU to win the conference championship game if they get to it. We would like OU to lose the regular season games.

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by Cyrus on Nov 11, 2007 7:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

devil's advocate

But will BCS officials really choose a 2-loss UT over a 2-loss OU, I doubt that.  Right now, I think the scariest scenario is Kansas winning out and OU getting an at-large bid.  
Not to mention, I'm sure the BCS officials have taken note of the well-documented unrest in Texas fans this season.  We've been awful fans and I can't help but worry that might come back to bite us in the ass.  

I don't like poutting all our hope on the other teams beating each other up, but it looks like we need a) a Missouri loss (against either Kansas or Championship game; and b) a bad Kansas loss (nothing that let's undefeated Kansas look any better on National TV);  or OU to drop 2.

by sharkbait101 on Nov 11, 2007 1:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Please Stop The Self-Flaggelation

UT does not have "awful fans."  Booing the coaches for highly questionable play-calling or not yelling loudly enough when the team stuggles to beat a 21-point underdog does not make us "awful," "band-wagon" or "fickle."  The BCS does not care about these things; they care about ticket sales, and I believe just about every game in Austin has been a sell-out for a long time, and at many away games like Rice, Baylor, etc., the UT fans out-number the home team fans.  Many of us "awful fans" have donated thousands of dollars to the University just to get the opportunity to buy season tickets at $85 a seat!

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by OBdoc on Nov 11, 2007 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
I wish I could afford to be one of those kind of fans.
"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Nov 11, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Best case scenario

A one-loss Kansas/Mizzou takes on a two-loss OU in the Big XII Championship (meaning KU loses next week and beats Mizzou/Mizzou beats KU, and OU drops one of theirs vs Tech or OSU).  Assuming we win out, I'd say we're pretty much guaranteed an at-large birth (also depending on other conference races and potential at-large births).  We'd look much better than the loser of the Big XII Championship (a two-loss KU/Mizzou or three-loss OU).

So essentially root on KU and OU to lose at least one of their next two (we still get picked over a one-loss KU with its only loss coming from Mizzou, IMO--money, viewers, fanbase, etc).

From the desk of your self-proclaimed resident gamer.

by Ramzlita on Nov 11, 2007 1:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Don't think Mizzou or Kansas will travel?

Then you're crazy! Ever see how the basketball school travels for a Big 12 tournament? Kansas fans are coming out of the woodworks right now. Forget about who has traveled well in the past and look who has a pretty darn good looking bandwagon right now.

Sure, Texas-Georgia in the Sugar is sexy. But I don't think it will come down to that.

Besides, no shame in a Cotton Bowl bid to play Auburn

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by FreedomDip on Nov 11, 2007 2:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you can equate the two fan bases

If Duke somehow has a great year one day I would not think the Cameron crazies would be camping out for bowl tickets.

Plus, bandwagon fans jump off as quickly as they get on, which is what they will do if they get thumped by OU in the championship game.

If you don't look at who has traveled well in the past, what are you supposed to make these judgments on?

by Wells on Nov 11, 2007 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OU BCS Bowl Bid

Just wanted to point something out. As everyone knows, BCS Bowls have not been good to Bob Stoops. Everyone remembers the stunning loss to Boise State or the Beat down by USC. Also, the year OU played USC for the National Title, they had just lost the Big 12 Championship game to Kansas State. Not just lost, but had actually gotten throttled by Kansas and El Roberson. People wrote that off as a one off accident and we all know what happened to them against USC. Also, the year before that, OU had lost to LSU in very unimpressive fashion.

What I am trying to say is that OU can be seen as a BCS bust by all these BCS Bowls. History has shown that OU stumbles often and badly once they get to a BCS Bowl (whether it be the National Title game or not). My point being that even if OU goes into the Big 12 Championship with a 11-1 record and lose to Mizzou/Kansas, they are not guaranteed an at large BCS bid over us. The BCS Bowls might consider their past history and decide that it is better to go with a resurgent Texas team with a penchant for getting into close exciting games as opposed to an OU team that just lost a game and is on a low.

Just my thoughts, what do u guys think?

by LonghornForLife on Nov 11, 2007 2:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A quick addition to my previous post

I think we should all hope for Kansas to win out, thunp OU in the Big 12 Championship game, and get the automatic fiesta bowl bid. This way, the BCS Bowls would be hesistant to pick an OU team that just got thumped.

Also, as far as Mizzou is concerned, in this scenario, Texas, OU and Mizzou would each have 2 losses. I believe there is no way a BCS Bowl picks Mizzou as an at-large if Texas or OU are available.

Hence, I think that having OU and Texas also with 2 losses would essentially eliminate Mizzou from the running for the at large bid. I see Texas coming out on top in this case.

Make sense to anyone else?

by LonghornForLife on Nov 11, 2007 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dhab back again!!!

Dhab is that you again? You thought that you could outsmart us again with, instead having a number represent for you decided to actually have the word.

That punk just won't learn. Bann him PB.

by dsmith on Nov 11, 2007 3:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Sorry?

Sorry, I am not Dhab. I actually dont know who that is. My name is Sanket and I live in LA. I graduated from UT in 2004.

by LonghornForLife on Nov 11, 2007 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is not Dhab

LFL has been around since 10/06:
http://www.burntorangenation.com/use...

Don't worry LFL, it is just that your username is close to Dhab's when he came back.

dsmith, if you are looking for dhab, look for racist incendiary statements, that is his MO.

by Wells on Nov 11, 2007 4:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad.

I guess i should not make senseless accusations.

by dsmith on Nov 11, 2007 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Geez

I don't remember that. He must have done something pretty bad.

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Nov 11, 2007 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Um..

That K-State loss sure does have a lot people trying to figure out scenarios now doesn't it. Who can lose so we can get in.

Let's get past the Aggies first. No guarantee there

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Nov 11, 2007 3:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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