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Fiesta Bowl: KU vs OU

http://blogs.chron.com/longhorns/200...

There could be an All-Big 12 clash in the desert.

If top-ranked Missouri doesn't reach the Bowl Championship Series title game, Fiesta Bowl officials have discussed the possibility of Oklahoma and Kansas playing in the Jan. 2, 2008, game in Glendale, Ariz.

Obviously we are all hoping Mizzou beats OU in the Big 12 Championship ((1) cause I will throw up if OU wins another Big 12 Championship and (2) Big 12 to win the national championship), but if OU by the grace of the devil goes to the Fiesta Bowl what do y'all think of this matchup. I think this doesn't bode well for the Big 12 because we want to see how we perform against other conferences not against each other.

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It would also serve the purpose of determining which team is more likely to blow us out by 30 next year.

My adopted kid is pure genius at the Black-Scholes Option Pricing Model.

by jc25 on Nov 29, 2007 10:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't like it

I really enjoy watching bowl season to see teams battle who normally don't play each other. This would be a serious let down, in my opinion.

Ryan Bailey is my hero, and also my child.

by Bdub on Nov 29, 2007 10:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You forgot reason 3

(3) Because no one wants to see tOSU play for the title again

by Speedway on Nov 29, 2007 12:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Question du Jour

The thought of Mizzou going to the Cotton Bowl and KU getting a BCS at-large poses a fun hypothetical...

As a Texas fan, would you rather...

  1. Beat OU but lose in the Big XII title game allowing OU to get an at-large BCS invite (assuming OU won the rest of their games).
  1. Lose to OU and watch them lose in the Big XII title game giving UT an at-large BCS invite.

In this scenario, neither UT nor OU wins the Big XII title, so the question boils down to what you value more, a win over OU or a BCS invite?

My gut reaction was, I want to beat OU no matter what. But it's hard to ignore what that BCS win over Michigan did for UT as far as exposure, recruiting and jump starting our title push in 2005.

Obviously, getting a BCS invite doesn't always assure you of a great match-up (Boise State) nor a title push the next year, but I don't think the answer is as cut and dried as it may initially appear.

Thoughts?

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by 54b on Nov 29, 2007 1:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

tough one, but I choose door #1

Main reasons:  I love to beat OU so I can drive my Sooner relatives crazy for 12 months; and I prefer to earn (or lose) our BCS berth on our own merits, rather than go in through the back door.  If that's the way to the Rose Bowl, of course, why not ... but given your choice or 1 or 2, I choose 1.

by NYCHorn on Nov 29, 2007 2:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So, just to clarify...

You're saying that I can have the cake, but I cannot take a bite?

Given the only 2 options on the table, I'm w/ NYCHorn.  I just doesn't physically hurt to "not make a BCS game".  It hurts for days after a loss to OU.

P.S.  I still have my boy running laps as punishment conditioning for his untimely fumble in Dallas.  Sometimes tough love is the only cure.

Announcers say my adopted kid runs a 10.1 in the 300m, and announcers are NEVER wrong.

by Shake on Nov 29, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish somehow OU could play Hawaii

Seeing them lose to the Wac Champ two years in a row would help take away the sting from this disappointing season....  sorta...

by the1austin on Nov 29, 2007 1:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That would be good times because it's...

a no win situation for OU.

I also wonder why Hawaii is considered such a last place pick for the BCS bowls given what transpired druing the Boise State game last year.

Let's just say for arguments sake, this is our BCS bowl line-up...

Mizzou vs WVU (BCS Title)

Ohio State vs USC (Rose)

V-Tech vs. Georgia (Orange)

KU vs ASU (Fiesta)

LSU vs Hawaii (Sugar)

As far as my level of interest is concerned, that LSU-Hawaii match-up may not be #1, but for me, it's more intersting than the Fiesta and Orange.

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by 54b on Nov 29, 2007 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hawaii last place

Has noting to do with an interesting game.  They have no fans that will travel, and would be a big $ loss for the bowl and surrounding area.

by Wells on Nov 29, 2007 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess an argument could be made

that the opposing team's fans might be more compelled to travel for a game against Hawaii than, say, a game against BC.

It would not be a good argument, but worth considering.

by BrooklynHorn on Nov 29, 2007 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wells

I agree with the principle of what you're saying regarding lack of travel by Hawaii's fanbase.

But wouldn't that just free up more tickets for the other team's fans?  Does it really matter who travels to the bowl game, so long as someone is travelling to sit in their designated seat?

Announcers say my adopted kid runs a 10.1 in the 300m, and announcers are NEVER wrong.

by Shake on Nov 30, 2007 8:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wells is right

But I wasn't thinking about it from the Bowl's perspective, more from a general fan perspective, but I didn't make that clear.

I don't know if an LSU-Hawaii Sugar Bowl will be a financial disaster, but it definitely won't be as good as it could have been. Selling out the game won't be an issue as it's practically a home game for LSU, but there in lies the problem.

With Hawaii only traveling a few fans  and LSU fans so close to home, the New Orleans hospitality industry is not going to see the lift they were looking for.

Then again, they've got the BCS Championship a week later, so don't feel too bad for them, though if there was any city in America that needs an infustion, it's probably N.O.

Though they won't admit it, I'm thinking Sugar Bowl officials are definitely hoping Tenn beats LSU and Wash beats Hawaii.  That would probably land them a Tennessee vs. another BCS Conf school match-up that would bring lots of people.

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by 54b on Nov 30, 2007 9:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be argumentative (well, maybe a little)

But LSU being a psuedo-home-game at the Sugar Bowl means that having LSU would be more financially-lacking than inviting Hawaii.  And for those about to point it out, yes I realize that they are "stuck" with the SEC champion (given that team is not in the MNC).

So if LSU is not the SEC champ, then I go back to my original question.  Wouldn't the Tennessee fan-base (or any SEC champ other than LSU) buy up the extra tickets and travel to the city beneath sea-level?

With the exception of being "forced" to invite the closest possible team (LSU for the Sugar Bowl), I still think a BCS bowl host would do just fine financially whether they invite Hawaii or not.

And speaking to 54b's original comment, I am in complete agreement.  A Hawaii vs. {insert major team} would be much more appealing to me than most of the other BCS games.

Announcers say my adopted kid runs a 10.1 in the 300m, and announcers are NEVER wrong.

by Shake on Nov 30, 2007 9:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Need the numbers

I really can't argue either way without knowing the financials, but obviously there's a reason BCS Bowl Officials go ga-ga over Notre Dame whenever they are eligible and regardless of whether or not they are the most formidable team available.

I would be interested to find out how profitable that Fiesta Bowl was that featured a suspect Pitt team and BCS crasher Utah team a few years ago. My guess is that was the ultimate lose-lose scenario. There wasn't much interest from national TV audiences and the fan bases didn't travel particularly well.

Moreover, I'd say the amount of money the bowl sponsors put in probably determines (or is inversely proportionate to) how badly the bowl officials want to invite teams with fans that travel well. The more money the sponsor puts in, the less concerned the bowl officals are in getting good travel teams and the more concerned they are with getting a match-up that will draw a large TV audience to appease the sponsor who was looking for the national exposure to begin with (obviously a team like Notre Dame gives them best of both worlds).

Based on this theory, I'd say you have a point that BCS bowls care less about how well the teams fan bases travel because they have the big sponsor dollars where as smaller bowls with lesser known or even regional sponsors care more about injecting money into the local economy.

Regardless, no matter the size of the bowl or the sponsor, all bowl officials will be looking to invite teams that will give them optimal returns on both the TV audience and local enconomy infusion fronts. Otherwise, they won't be heading up those Bowl committees for long.

There's a lot more to it I'm sure, but that seems logical.

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by 54b on Nov 30, 2007 10:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

The other side of the coin (TV $$$) hadn't entered the discussion yet, but the team-selection decisions obviously factor it in.  There must be some sort of balance b/n local cash flow and TV revenues.

But back to my original argument, I just don't believe that how well a fanbase travels is the determining factor in selecting a team for a BCS game.  If Wells had stated that "Hawaii is the last selection because there is no guarantee that there will be a large TV viewing", then there would be no debate about this.

My kid may have given up a costly fumble against OU, but at least he's never been accused of face raping.

by Shake on Dec 1, 2007 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad matchup

I think a KU/OU matchup would be fun to watch, but only because they didn't play this year. The Fiesta Bowl would not like it, because nobody outside the BigXII would watch.

by ArcticLonghorn on Nov 29, 2007 1:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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