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Suggestions for revisions accepted through tonight. Note that this is not a power poll. (Note, too, that some of the deltas reflect closer study of results as opposed to sudden changes of opinion. Much as I wanted to, I couldn't quite keep Kansas ahead of Ohio State. It's much closer than mainstream polls would lead you to believe, but as of today, OSU's done more.)

Rank Team Delta
1 LSU 1
2 Oregon 3
3 Ohio State 1
4 Kansas 1
5 Oklahoma 2
6 Arizona State 5
7 Missouri 2
8 West Virginia --
9 Georgia 1
10 Boston College 4
11 Auburn --
12 Michigan 1
13 Connecticut 1
14 Florida 2
15 Tennessee 2
16 Virginia 6
17 Texas 2
18 Virginia Tech 8
19 Kentucky 1
20 Clemson 6
21 Florida State 5
22 Southern Cal 4
23 Cincinnati 3
24 Alabama 12
25 South Florida 10

Dropped Out: South Carolina (#18), Illinois (#21), Hawaii (#23), Wake Forest (#24), Colorado (#25).

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Alabama needs more credit

I really can't accept LSU being number 1 while Alabama is 24th.  Saturday's game should've debunked that logic, even if it was at home.  I think they should be in the 17-20 arena.

by ryanlionrah on Nov 6, 2007 3:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll buy that

Bama has 3 losses for a combined 17 pts against #1, #9, and #21 in this poll, along with a blowout win against #15 Tennessee. They haven't been overly impressive in some of their other wins, but not a whole lot of teams have this year.

I would argue that their resume is much better than Tennessee, and they whipped the Vols.  Tennessee has a 39 pt loss to UF and a 14 pt loss to Cal, along with the Bama loss.

Either Tennessee is too high or Alabama is too low.

by JT Longhorn on Nov 6, 2007 4:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair

Looking more closely at the SEC, which is hard to sift through.  Thanks.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Nov 6, 2007 4:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck PB

MSU beats Kentucky by 17 at Kentucky.
Kentucky beat LSU.
LSU beat MSU by 45 at MSU.

Just a sample.

What a mess.

marshalld

by duras on Nov 6, 2007 4:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Virginia

I'm not sure what the reasoning behind Virginia ahead of Texas is.  As a UVA grad student, I've seen them play a lot this year, and every game has been madness.  I guess they have an "impressive" win over UCONN, who only has one loss that counts.  But their losses are much worse than ours.  Even if you say Wyoming on the road is equal to KState at home - NC State is not as good as Oklahoma.

Also, I feel like you have overrated the 3 loss teams in the SEC.

by Texas Wahoo on Nov 6, 2007 5:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

How to deal with LSU?

I put LSU and Oregon a 1 and 1(a).  I waffle on this because I don't know how highly to rate LSU's close wins over allegedly good SEC teams.

The problem is that all these SEC teams have lots of losses and they're all to each other for the most part.  So are they all good or all they all mediocre?  I tend to think that they're overrated.  They, like Texas, get the benefit of being ranked high based on reputation alone.  So when we look at the teams that LSU has beaten, they're all ranked higher than they would be if they had different names printed across their chests.

Look at Florida.  They're only decent wins are against Tennessee and Kentucky and their losses are to Auburn, LSU and Georgia.  But are Tennessee and Kentucky actually good?  Tennessee's only good wins are against Georgia and South Carolina.  Kentucky's only good win is against LSU.  No one else.  You see how it's viciously cyclical?  The only comparison we have for SEC teams is against other SEC teams, and so who's to say if they're good or overrated based on their names?

The problem is that SEC teams rarely play anyone good outside of the conference.  LSU beat Virginia Tech but Tennessee got destroyed by a Cal team that's fallen off the map.  Georgia beat a mediocre OK St team and Auburn beat a mediocre K-State team and lost to what appears to be a mediocre South Florida team.  And Bama lost to a mediocre Florida State team.

I tend to think not specifically that any individual SEC team is overrated, but that the conference as a whole is overrated to the extent that losses to other SEC teams look better than, say, a loss by a Pac10 team to another Pac10 team.  Just by virtue of us not knowing what to do with these SEC teams because of their allegedly traditional power, we intrinsically overrate them.

by billyzane on Nov 6, 2007 10:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You're spot-on

About the "inbred" nature of SEC resumes. There's virtually no outside frame of reference.

However, while the SEC may be the worst culprit in scheduling primarily OOC creampuffs, they aren't alone in this regard. The overwhelming majority of BCS conference schools do this.

It makes any sort of inter-conference comparison highly problematic.  

by Old Tex29 on Nov 7, 2007 12:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

This happens with every conference.  It just seems that we give the SEC way more leeway for losses and more credit for wins, even when the teams their playing have 3 losses that are also all in-conference.  It's a quite effective self-preservation technique.

by billyzane on Nov 7, 2007 5:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Creampuff schedules

You are right about that, and we have the BCS mess to thank.  Remember a few years ago when teams gained extra points (deductions really) in the BCS poll for defeating a ranked team?  They took that component out for some reason.  I can't remember their rationale.  That would have encouraged more competitive scheduling.

"Only angry people win football games." --DKR

by OBdoc on Nov 7, 2007 7:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i disagree

with that added bonus being a good thing for the BCS rankings because it double-counts good wins.  Good wins should be taken into account by all voters (human and CPU) in making their rankings and the BCS rankings should just be an amalgamation of those votes.

by billyzane on Nov 7, 2007 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea ... kind of like ACC hoops

They all beat each other because they're the best teams in the best conference and have mostly better talent. But when it comes down to it, how would your team compare in that conference?

Imagine playing a Red River Shootout opponent/atmosphere for four weeks straight. Kind of tough as compared to, say, the Big 12 this year. Only OU has played two of the top four in the Big 12 ... KU has played none and Mizzou and UT each lost their only matchups

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Nov 7, 2007 10:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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