Well... Sh*t
by Peter Bean on Dec 2, 2007 12:25 AM CST
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PrintAfter all that chaos, all that fun, all that speculation...
We've come full circle. With no playoff to look forward to, I'm with Mr. Levin: just call it off.
Update [2007-12-2 13:56:31 by HornsFan]: If the AP Top 25 is a useful guide for what to expect from the other human polls, OSU-LSU is a done deal.
If the Buckeyes pick up an equal proportion of first place votes in the Harris and Coaches polls, the computers will be irrelevant. I'll just say now that Big 10 fans - no matter how they feel about the Buckeyes - need to root like hell for Ohio State. Already on thin ice because of Michigan and Ohio State's bowl flops a year ago, if the Buckeyes get embarrassed again, the conference will not get a break with voters for a long time. And as we all know too well, title game participation is almost always a matter of voter taste.
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Not enough...
...Pot leaves on Beanie Wells' helmet.
Give it to ...
The 2004 Auburn team that went 13-0 but didn't play in the BCS National Championship game.
Also, there will be no #2 or #3 team in the nation. We will start at #4 and work our way down.
by mking on Dec 2, 2007 12:47 AM CST reply actions
WOW!
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking."
Seriously though, I agree. Call off the MNC game this year.
Ironically, if LSU gets to the game and wins, they'll be doing so as a No. 2. They couldn't hold on to No. 1 and No. 2 changed weekly, so it would only be fitting for the No. 2 team, as LSU, to win the MNC this year.
you notice how Herbstreit is trying to keep a
straight face, while trying not to totally shill for Ohio State?
I know you get a shitload of money for playing in the BCS national title game, but you'd think he'd want to avoid getting ass-raped again.
The Big Televen can't compete with the speed of the SEC, period. Hell, Ohio State can't compete with Illinois' speed.
haha, i have noticed that
I think Herbie had to change pants two or three times last night.
by the other Andrew on Dec 2, 2007 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
How about a 4 team playoff
LSU, Ohio State, Oklahomo, and USC should play for it. Regardless of what happens, Geaux Tigers!
by imastoopidbtch on Dec 2, 2007 1:33 AM CST reply actions
Eh
they don't impress me too much. IMO LSU, Ohio State, Oklahomo, or USC could easily take Va Tech.
by imastoopidbtch on Dec 2, 2007 3:36 AM CST up reply actions
only if you think
that "homo" is somehow an insult. which it's not. plenty of posters on BON are gay and to somehow equate them with Oklahoma, and on top of that to believe that such a comparison is actually an insult to Oklahoma, just reeks of ignorance. i would hope instead that the lack of such ignorance would be what best differentiates us from OU and A&M rednecks. but maybe that's just wishful thinking.
Only if you let it bother you
If it offends you so much then I won't call them Oklahomo. Simple as that.
by imastoopidbtch on Dec 2, 2007 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
That's great
It offends me as well.
if you are offended by that
take a look at my user name.
by imastoopidbtch on Dec 2, 2007 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Just a general site rule
We have readers of every stripe, and though everyone's thick-skinned, good-humored people, it's just a standard we adhere to here. Best for all involved.
Thanks!
In looking at this closer
there could be a tie, for either first or second.
The odds are against it just because there are so many discrete number sources, but people could be arguing over third, fourth or fifth decimal places.
Missouri and West Virginia were .0068 apart (.9781 - .9713) going into tonight.
The new rankings should also give a deeper look at some more of the biases (aside from Billingly). Horn Brain may blow up some more numbers to see how the top rank got pumped (particularly if it's tOSU).
This year would be ideal for a 12-team playoff, with four byes for the top four.
Sixteen would work, but picking the last four would be vicious and nasty.
PLAYOFF
Georgia and USC are probably to top two seeds right now. I love the bowl game atmosphere, blah blah blah, but damn, how cool would an eight team playoff be?
The pollsters will find a way to screw this up. HI should get a shot at 13-0 in the big game.
Sagarin Ratings Out
Sagarin is the only computer that releases the numbers publicly before the announcment. His numbers represent 1/6 of the computer total, which is only 1/3 of the formula. The Harris and USA Today polls make up the other 2/3 of the formula. The chaos continues.
Sagarin Ratings as of Dec. 2nd
Remember the BCS uses the numbers in red.
- Va Tech
- LSU
- OU
- Ohio State
- Kansas
- Missouri
- Georgia
- Hawaii
- USC
- Boston College
I thought these computers...
... are supposed to to go strictly by what happened on the field, but I guess that's not always the case. Apparently, VT is better than the same LSU team that pasted them by 41 points. Sigh...
by Sweed4Heisman on Dec 2, 2007 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
they are forbidden
from taking into account margin of victory. which is dumb. they should be allowed to do it up to a point (like 21 points or something) after which the margin doesn't matter.
Oh, and PB...
...your boy Miles gets a fat raise out of this. Sheesh. Talk about gaming the system. Maybe he's a lot brighter than we think. Or even luckier then he seemed earlier this year.
Anyway, Levin makes good points but I don't really want to cancel the game and look forward to it. It could be entertaining but any MNC claim coming out of it will be greately diminished to say the least.
If there's any silver (or burnt orange, as it were) lining to the OU beat down of Mizzou it is that we actually played them pretty close. Nice of the Horns to show up for an important game for once. In retrospect that may have been our best game of the season, certainly of the "Big" games. Still kinda depressing.
As to the WFVU loss, while it is depressing at one level it is satisfying on another. Its good to see a team with superior talent loose a crucial game to a vastly inferior opponent at home. We have to take our consaltion where we can. (Of course a Mizzou blow out of OU would have been much better).
Conf. Championship Mystique or Mistake
Most pundits are arguing that a team shouldn't get to play in the title game if they don't win their own conference...
I agree in principle, but do they realize that if there was no Big XII Championship game like there's no Big 10 Championship game, Mizzou would have won the Big XII just like Ohio State won the Big 10?
What if Ohio State had had to play Illinois one more time?
My plan
or
settle it with an epic battle of paper-rock-scissors.
my vote is for...
odds and evens
by bleed burnt orange on Dec 2, 2007 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
It's going to be boring...
and i was actually very excited for a WVU/Mizzou game, but can you really argue that any two other teams are more deserving? A 1-loss Big10 champion versus the SEC champion with tons of quality wins and whose 2 losses were both in triple overtime.
If we're rewarding the best seasons, no 2-loss team has a better claim than LSU and that leaves Kansas and Hawaii with potentially better claims. As someone who's adamantly against 2-loss teams winning the national championship whenever possible, I'm sympathetic to Kansas, but just not sure this year.
I'm
not sure I was precisely excited about WFVU/Mizzou (although it should certainly have been an offensive feast) but would have prefrred it to what we have now. A Mizzou win over OU would certainly have distinguished them as perhaps worthy MNCs and would have just been enjoyable as such.
I've had my doubts about WFVU all year but was really impressed with them last week. Looking at it in retrospect they proved undeserving in the extreme. That was clearly the biggest choke job of the year, throwing up that stinker with everything on the line, at home, to PITT!! The injuries really do not account for the loss and they did nothing with Pat White in there anyway (I watched most of the game as things were looking entirely too easy for OU). That doesn't even take into account the absurd penalties which almost cost PITT the game. I would have kicked them out of the MNVVG even if they had managed to eek out a win. Dullsville tOSU at least lost at home to a pretty decent Illini crew.
Well if tOSU i
does get blown out then you're right PB, the whole Big 10 will be on quadruple not-so-secret probation for at least half a decade. Their only ticket out of such would be huge out of conference wins over qality opponents.
Still given the rankings I'm kinda glad the Buckeys made it and am pleased to see the Tigers as well, considering the 3rd ranked team. Also, I just don't see how Georgia can leap LSU in any rational system even though they would certainly seem to be the better team right now.
Hawaii received a first-place vote?
As did Georgia and Va. Tech
Anyway, voters aren't/weren't obligated to put Ohio State at No. 1. I'm willing to bet they thought LSU/Okla/USC (in no particular order) were the three best teams. They probably kept Ohio State their just for principal
As wacky as this year has been, it wouldn't seem too far-fetched to have a non-conference champ win the whole damn thing (UGA) ... That said, I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell OSU beats LSU anywhere, especially New Orleans. I think there's only two teams out there who could give LSU a run for their money in New Orleans after a month of preparation - that would be Georgia and USC ... Georgia is scary good right now and I'd love to see them play USC
HOW TO SETTLE BIG 10/Big East? Have their conference champs play against each other the same weekend as Big 12/SEC/ACC championship weekend. Pac 10 will get a reprieve since they actually play everybody in conference
still trying not to laugh
I LOVE these new polls, but only for the fact that my cousin goes to Georgia and is the biggest braggart in the history of my family (which is saying quite a lot). She had already given me (and everyone else) an earful about what transpired last weekend.
What goes around....
this and that
well once again, we see an inspired OU team ready to play with a game plan designed by superior coaches. it makes our loss to A&M even worse.
Chase Daniel looks like superman last week and he looked like an average quarterback last night.
there will NEVER be a football playoff. everyone writing about it are wasting their time.
yes, i am offended by the reference to oklahomo.
any intelligent BON reader/writer should be also.
we are better than that and it makes me sad for
those that still think that it is ok. many die-hard
Texas fans are gay and i happen to be one.
doesnt change our loss to a&m
that loss sucked all by itself, it doesnt need any help.
If you want to find a loss that looks worse after last nights game, look at OU's game vs Tech. OU's "superior coaches" couldnt figure out what our pedestrian coaches could?
by the other Andrew on Dec 2, 2007 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Hawaii
Listen, I don't believe the Rainbow Warriors belong anywhere near the NC game, but... shouldn't they be in a different division then? If the only undefeated team in a division isn't worthy of playing for the championship, then why are they even in that division?
I think LSU/OU probably is the most legitimate matchup for the NC game, but probably a dozen other teams are about as good.
So, I vote for none of the above.
Reason for the WAC and other second teer confs
we have to have someone who will accept $500,000 to come to Austin and play us.
The really sad thing this year
is that there is no clear cut invincible team to have to face down this year (unlike USC in 2005) and UT still was nowhere near the NC mix. Forget OU, if we just beat 2 teams we are heavily favored against we are in the NC game this year. Hell, even if we lose to KSU and beat Aggy we are at least in the discussion. What a waste of a year.
On another note, I simply can't stand any part of ESPN's coverage anymore. You know as long as Herbie is around that tOSU will get lots of love. Frankly their body of work looks alot like Hawaii's this year. My favorite though was when Fowler and crew made the comments that alot of coaches needed to be out there campaigning for their teams and that voters shouldn't look at last weeks polls, but instead should take a fresh look at the whole season (basically telling voters to put LSU ahead of Georgie). It was like a Bizarro world version of 2004 pre-Rose Bowl.
Not just Herbie
Chris Spielman and Robert Smith have a lot to do with it as well.
Maybe
an 11-1 record has a lot to do with it as well, no?
by 303Dub on Dec 2, 2007 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
11-1 or better didn't help KU or Hawaii
not that I really think any of the 3 teams deserve it. But one of them had the right people pimping them.
Preseason rankings
I remember folks on here talking about how important preseason rankings are. The only argument is 2004 Auburn
They meant nothing this year other than LSU ansd OSU were the only 2 teams to stay in the top 10 the entire year. Unranked teams like Kansas, Boston College and Missouri skyrocketed to the top.
I like the fact of evaluating the teams as a whole as opposed to looking at last week's rankings. If I voted, OSU wouldn't be top 3
Your argument may prove the point...
As to why they are important if, indeed, LSU and tOSU go to the MNC. Don't you think Kansas or Mizzou would have a better shot if they started in the top 10?
They mean something
I bet if Kansas had started the year in the top 5, they would be much closer to the championship game than they are, given they are one of two BCS 1-loss teams.
Hug a Mountaineer Today
Given what was at stake and my affiliation with the Horns, it's hard for me to imagine a more painful loss than the 2001 Big XII Championship to the Buffs.
But thinking about West Virgina's loss to Pitt last night just makes me cringe. Even with a QB with a hurt finger, how they hell did they lose that game (and at home of all places)?
My sympathies go out to Pat White, Steve Slaton, Rich Rod, and all the Mountaineer players and fans.
With a month to prepare and get healthy, I think they would have had a much better shot at taking home the title than UT had of beating that 2001 Miami team.
Incredible, unfathomable and most of all, excrutiatingly painful (even for a bystander.)
Feel sorry for the fans...
...but not the team. I was rooting for them to win but they pulled one of the biggest choke jobs I've seen in 25 years of watching football.
They were playing at home, against a vastly inferior team (4 TD underdog) with everything on the line. Yet they had no excuse for overlooking a team like that given that it was a rivalry game and in 2007 everyone, and I mean EVERYONE should be on red upset alert.
Its not as if they dominated statistically and had a run of bad breaks. They had turnovers but were generally unable to move the ball. Its not as if some early turnovers turned into 3 Pitt TDs and took the 'Neers out their run o. On the contrary, a winning score was within reach until the last minute. Its not as if they were hurt by bad calls. Quite the contrary, it was Pitt which had a TD taken of the board and a crucial 4th quarter drive stalled by by two bogus holding calls.
It was a frightning, epic gag. Pure and simple. They really brought this on themselves.
FLORIDA????
I dont get the lovefest with a 3 loss team. Now, they are saying superbow is doing things bever seen before by a college qb. Most of his touchdwons are at the goaline because they lack a true rb. I hate the media.
LSU
I love all these quotes coming from LSU about how they are the only undefeated team in REGULATION. Bitches, please - you've lost two games and it's irrelevant whether they were in regulation or triple overtime. I guess, using that tired-assed logic, you're also the only team with two ties.
You're right but
with this messed up system college football has, when something like this happens where there is no clear cut number one, a number of teams are left lobbying for themselves. What would you expect LSU to say. I know we lost two games but we deserve a shot at the title. Come on, that's weak. You gotta sweet talk it.
by imastoopidbtch on Dec 2, 2007 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
LSU, OU, VT
I hate the BCS, and this year exposes a lot of what is illogical and unjust about the system. What I really can't cotton is Ohio State in the championship game. Given the inequities of some conferences playing championship games and others not, I would move toward giving greater weight toward those who succeeded in this end-of-season trial by fire. To my mind, the only teams in the championship conversation should be LSU, ou (much as I hate to say that) and VT. No way should tOSU with its cupcake schedule and lack of playoff game be allowed to waltz into the Big Game over the carnage of better teams left duking it out on Dec. 1.
This is going to be tough to watch
Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer, Charles Davis, and that other guy. WOW!
i think
that Ohio State has a real shot at winning this. Its pretty clear that for whatever reason last year they collapsed under the pressure. that isn't going to be the case this year, they are going up against another SEC team and really have something to prove. I think that Ohio State is going to win this game by a touchdown.
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