What do you think
about the offense. It seems to me that there are a lot of people unhappy with Colt. I know at Texas the most popular player is the second-string QB but I really haven't seen enough of Colt to know if he's hit his limit or not. He IS only a Sophomore and he keeps showing great things. But really, what I want to know is this; What do you think about Colt? Should he be replaced or is he an asset to this team? Moreover, is your problem with him the way the Offensive Coordinator chooses to implement him or his talent?
This isn't a mean spirited, "screw all y'all colt haters!" message. I know literally nothing about the Quarterback position so I don't know when he is staring the safety down or any of that.
P.S. John Chiles is a phenomenal athlete who should be on the field at least 10 times a game either at the quarterback position or set out as a receiver.
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Unhappy with the use of him...
Colt showed throughout the span between OU and A&M that he works best when complimenting a mainly JC running attack. He is not capable of opening up the running game by throwing the ball all over the defense, whether it's waiting too long on a deep ball and letting the receiver outrun his arm, or horridly predictable hot-reads and no clear passing lanes. Hopefully the offensive line play will be much improved next year, which should help his confidence in the pocket. His passing game should improve, but I don't expect he'll ever get to the point that we thought he was at at the beginning of this year, and be able to carry the rest of the team and set up the running game.
That said, he has shown that he can run the offense efficiently when Jamaal Charles is the main focus, and that he can be enough of a running threat to open up holes for JC that we haven't seen since 2005 (not that he's freezing the whole LB corps and the safeties on every play, but he can keep them honest). More, once the defense keys in on the running game, Colt can get the ball to his play-making receivers, and good things happen.
What I don't understand is that we seem to have developed that identity, culminating with the unstoppable surge that would not be stopped against Tech, and then abandoned it against A&M to revert back to exactly what didn't work for the entire first half of the season. We've seen Colt succeed, and it wasn't in the offense we saw against the Aggies. I guess they wanted to protect him, but I can't think of anything less safe than hanging out behind that "usually-there" offensive line waiting to get blindsided by some 300 lb friend-of-the-sheep.
Colt will impress us once again if we come out with the right game plan against ASU. He will get more and more hate mail on this site if we keep using him like we have been.
by Horn Brain on Dec 6, 2007 12:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
agree in part...
I don't think your assessment of Colt's skills is correct, but completely agree with the end result (or lack thereof) which points not at the player but the gameplan...
How indeed did we look so unstoppable at times this year against some teams and look so poor at other times against vastly lessor teams?
Colt has a fine arm and given the time makes most every throw asked of him. How soon we forget that he was without is #1 and #2 WR's for a significant period of time. He and Limus had a very special connection that could not be exploited this year due to injuries.
In truth Colt threw too many ill advised passes this year that were picked off put how many were the WR's fault, and how many really bad drops did the WR's that were in there this year have? Against A&M I think Pittman and Finley alone had 5 or 6 that would have sustained drives that might have lead to scoring ops.
Bottom line, when you said, 'they wanted to protect him' you are talking about GD going too conservative on his play calling and mediocre defenses shutting our Offense down. Our third down conversion this year was just plain pathetic, and I don't think its fair to blame a QB for being in third and long situations all year, which makes the opposing D-Coord's job alot easier.
p.s. using Chiles 10-15 times a game would really help Colt alot in my opinion. Chiles doesn't have to even touch the ball more than a handful of those times but the threat alone makes it harder on the other side to scheme.
by longhornJ on Dec 7, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My perception of Colt....
is that he is, in essence, just an extension of Mack - a great, "aw shucks" kind of guy who doesn't seem to show a lot of emotion and doesn't get the people around him fired up to play. The Horns need someone, anyone, to step up like VY used to and fire the team up and get them motivated to go in to battle.
I talked with a friend of mine yesterday who is an Aggie fan and his comment to me about the A&M game was that it looked like the Texas players really didn't give a shit about winning. He also went on to say that this team could beat ANYBODY in the country if they put their heart into it, but they just don't seem to care. Obviously perception does not equal reality, but I see a lot of similarities between this year's team and teams of the late 80's and early 90's - tons of talent; no heart.
Is Colt to blame for this? Certainly not completely, but at least partially. He is the QB, and the QB is typically the leader of the team. He needs to step it up, show some VY-like emotion and get in his team's ass. If he can't do it, then someone else needs to take charge and get these guys going.
I'd like to see Chiles used much more - I still cannot understand why they burned the red-shirt and then barely even used the kid.
by Screw O.U. on Dec 6, 2007 7:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
He needs to step it up, show some VY-like emotion and get in his team's ass.
Unless you meant "on" his team's ass, I'm not sure that's much of a motivator.
I can see Buck Burnette in the huddle: "Hey, uh, Colt... Yeah, just put your hands under my ass when you wait for the snap... uh... yeah..."
by Horn Brain on Dec 6, 2007 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
yes, indeed...."on" their asses.
by Screw O.U. on Dec 6, 2007 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A few extras on Colt
Horn Brain's comments are right on, but I have a few other comments.
First, McCoy doesn't have a laser arm. He can throw deep balls (witness deep throws to Sweed against OU and Nebraska in 2006) but they are only effective when the receiver is in single coverage with no deep safety help. In that case he can just lay the ball up and let the receiver run under it. I have not seen him successfully throw the "out and up" 15-25 yard pass where the receiver beats the CB up the field and the QB arches the ball with zip to the receiver as he heads up the sideline but before the safety can get over. Also, I have never seen him throw a deep post, which agin requires some zip to squeeze the ball between the safeties. VY, for example lived off that pattern to Billy Pittman in 2005.
That said, McCoy can be deadly accurate on short and medium routes. This would lend itself to something like a West Coast offense, with short, timed passes that go to spots on the field where the defense isn't. I believe Greg Davis was trying to implement something like that at the beginning of the year and also in the A&M game when they feared, apparently, for Colt's life. The problem is that it is extremely difficult for all the receivers and the QB to be on the same page - you just don't have enough practice time and experience to get the timing and positioning airtight (witness Nebraska and Syracuse trying to run the West Coast). Davis' version was making short passes to quick athletes like Cosby and Jones in space and trying for yards after the catch. To a large extent, that strategy worked this year, as it accounted for most of Texas' considerable passing yards. There's no reason to get away from that completely next year (or in the bowl game) because it is what Colt does well.
I agree with HornBrain, though that that passing strategy will not win you games without a strong running attack or an ironclad offensive line, because the short passing game is lousy at overcoming sacks or other negative plays when the receivers aren't getting the ball in stride.
Colt is quick and has good field vision. He also throws on the run fairly well, although not on passes much deeper than 15 yards. I think Texas can be a very good offensive team with a simpler, more aggressive running attack that features Colt more as a planned runner, not just a scrambler. His threat to pass out of a designed run, like a zone read, and ability to avoid slower defenders like LB's or tackles can keep safeties and LB's looking at him longer, which would open up other running options for Charles and McGee.
Finally, I think it would indeed be interesting to have Chiles come in with a running offense for a few series or in a few situations (inside the opponents' 50 after a turnover, or after a long kick return) each game just as a change of pace and to develop his skills. I think this whole strategy would be more effective if he can develop at least the threat to pass. Imagine the shock of having the running offense come in after a turnover and instead Chiles throws a deep ball (I'm assuming he can) to someone (Kirkendoll?).
Anyway, I think Colt has limitations, but he can be excellent at running the offense and a short-medium passing game, and there is enough other talent to add explosiveness in other ways. Teams have won national championships with less to work with (tOSU in 2002). I think the defense has farther to go than the offense, despite how weak the offense looked at A&M.
by burnt in ny on Dec 6, 2007 7:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Colt's deep passes
He has trouble getting them deep enough when he is rolling out, or throwing off his back foot, and that is due to arm strength. I can remember mulitiple interceptions in which the receiver had the guy beat and Colt under threw him.
Hopefully with a better line Colt will be able to step into his deep passes and hit the deep receiver in stride.
by Wells on Dec 6, 2007 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dejavu...
Anyone out there remember James Brown, who started his career by beating OU off the bench, and had a pretty decent arm until a shoulder injury left him unable to do anything other than heave it down field and pray...?
I can't help but wonder if Colt didn't loose a bit of armstrength from his shoulder injury. They tried to get him in the weight room and buff him up a bit, which is good but I'm not sure if you can compensate for something that effects those ligaments and tendons in the shoulder.
Just a thought, we keep talking about Colt's shortcomings this year and forget he broke an NCAA record for TD passes last year, and made ton's of accurate throws all the time. Alot of them to his main man Limus who we KNOW was completely off his game due to injuries this year.
These QB's are only human and as such have 'favorite' targets. Guys they just click with usually due to untold hours of chuckin' the ball around in practice and those informal drills they do before official practices begin. Colt lost his main guy this year and even if the line had been 100% you had to expect somewhat lesser production as he adjusted to the new #1 and #2 WR
by longhornJ on Dec 7, 2007 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Colt's Fine
No doubt, it has been an up and down year for Colt. It's part of the adjustment process as I see it. He came out of nowhere last year. All the teams had tape on him and made adjustments this year. Now it's up to Mack and (gulp)Davis to make the adjustments. Colt should have a stellar year next year if they provide an offensive scheme for him that suits him. The line will be much improved I think so I am hoping for good things. Yes, Chiles is awesome and they should use him more but not yet.
by horns65 on Dec 7, 2007 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we're a running team
I'm a Colt McCoy fan. I loved him last year, but this year i'm starting to lose patience. The Texas Longhorns have always been a running team. Our best ever player was a running quarterback (like you don't know who i'm talking about). Our second best player (earl) was a running back. Our third best was a running back (ricky). We have a great back in Jamaal Charles and we need to get the ball to John Chiles more so he can run it, too.
by acho81 on Dec 7, 2007 10:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
With 13..
....WR recruits taken in the last 5 classes, how the heck did we fold on the long ball with the loss of just 1 WR - Limas Sweed??
by HornChamps on Dec 8, 2007 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Your right
The loss of Limas is a red herring. I think it had more to do with bad blocking and Colt's deep passes coming up short when he was throwing off his back foot.
by Wells on Dec 8, 2007 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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