If Tim Tebow
by Horns98 on Dec 8, 2007 10:19 PM CST
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can wins the Heisman, how come they didn't pick VY couple yrs ago? Two persons - Same talent - A Running QB.
Who are these peoples in this Heisman selection committee? Are they blind or just too corrupt to pick Reggie Bush back then? I am just so disgusted that VY didn't win and bring that hardware back to Austin.
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Difference...
The difference is that Urban Meyer didn't use a RB this year.
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 8, 2007 10:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We've been over this before...
Several things:
- ESPN kept hyping Reggie Bush. They kept showing that cutback run he had against Fresno St. to win.
- VY played a pretty bad game against the Aggies that "lost" him the Heisman.
- Tebow's numbers are way more superior than his competition. Sometimes that's all it takes in certain years like last year. Troy Smith was half as good as VY, but everyone else sucked last year.
Blame the media if you want more than anything. That was when they couldn't get enough of USC.
by CheeseHorn on Dec 8, 2007 10:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
VY's stats weren't as good as Tebow
Also, nobody put up number even close to Tebows this year. Reggie and VY had stats that weren't very far apart, and both of their teams were undefeated.
by mmorales11 on Dec 8, 2007 10:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh no...
Are you kidding me?
Bush's total yardage: 2,611 all-purpose yards
VY's total yardage: 3,036 passing and 1,050 rushing
Bush's TDs: 18
VY's TDs: 38
Not to mention VY carried the team entirely on his shoulders. I still blame ESPN. It was a snub and everyone knows it now.
by CheeseHorn on Dec 8, 2007 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on, CH
That one, I definitely agreed. It just show what a corrupt media between ESPN & USC. Plus you have bunch of Hollywood Celebrities alumni behind the school.
We only have Matthew McConaughey and a few from the Horns. It's all about $$$ and I'm very sicked.
by Horns98 on Dec 8, 2007 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They screwed the pooch with
with VY, not doubt. Bush was an overhyped yet very credibly contender who would certainly have beaten Tebow this year. Even the less flashy DMac came very close despite much less hype. (Yes I know he a better actual "running back" than RB).
I think Wahoo is right that had VY scored a few more rushing TDs that might have given hime the edge over Reggie. As I recall the balloting wasn't that close though, so I maybe wrong.
by duras on Dec 8, 2007 10:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
SI Story, the last top 20
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...
SI posted a story the other day that agreed that VY was the right pick in 2005. Bush was the sexy pick while Vince carried his team. We can call it ESPN hype, we can call it celebrity hype, but by the end of the Rose Bowl we all knew who should have been the true Heisman Winner. At this juncture it doesn't matter much anymore, both players are in the pros, Vince has had a much better degree of success then Bush and that should be enough vindication on this issue.
by utbiograd06 on Dec 8, 2007 11:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
a myriad number of reasons
Tebow has better stats as a sophomore than Vince did. Tebow already has 3000+ yds passing, and might go over 1000 yds rushing if he has a good bowl game.
IIRC, Young needed his 200/200 game in the national title game to break the 3000/1000 barrier.
Also, Young lost any chance he had at the Heisman when he played a horrible game against A&M. I think he was responsible for 3 turnovers himself, two fumbles and one interception. This was the last regular season game, following Bush's blowout performance against Fresno State. Bush then wowed the voters again when he tore up rival UCLA.
If the Heisman was given out following the national title game, you'd have an argument that Young deserved it, but based on the regular season performances, it went to the right player.
Bottom line was, when Vince needed a big performance against A&M to impress the voters, he stunk it up.
I don't think Young and Tebow are good comparisons as players, b/c Tebow is more of a power runner, while Young was more speed/finesse. I'm not saying Young didn't run with power, b/c he was difficult to bring down, at 6'6, 230 lbs. But he isn't built like the baby rhino that Tebow is.
Also, Tebow and Young play in different schemes, and Young was never good enough to do play-action to himself. Young was also never the passer that Tebow is.
Tebow also has the advantage of being the first to ever do something (first 20 rush TD-20 pass TD player). If Young had been a 20-20 guy, they would have given him the Heisman over Bush.
by Beergut on Dec 9, 2007 12:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also, VY actually had running backs
15 of Tebow's rushing TD's are from within 3 yards. His team hasn't had a running back all season, so he is able to get the kind of TD's that VY deferred to Selvin, Jamaal, and Melton.
I think McFadden is the best player in the nation, but it is incredible that Tebow essentially plays two positions and that every defense he plays against know whats coming and most of them just can't stop it. He's a great player.
by the1austin on Dec 9, 2007 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't VY have the flu?
I have a hard time believing the ags were that good. I thought I heard something about most of Texas having the flu. I like how a "horrible" game by Vince still nets us 40 points, though. Heisman. Winner.
by Horn Brain on Dec 9, 2007 2:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, Vince had the stupids
he talked shit about A&M and the 12th Man before the game.
You must be confusing the '05 texas game with the '96 Big 12 CG, when Nebraska players explained away their loss to texas by claiming they had the flu.
You may not want to believe A&M was that good, but the stats show otherwise. A&M had over 260 yds rushing on what was supposed to be a strong defense.
The reason they lost was b/c their special teams and defense was so poor.
Vince's play had very little to do with the win, honestly. The margin was 11 points, which was a missed field goal, a punt blocked for a TD, and a missed extra point. That's three special teams blunders for A&M that led to the loss.
by Beergut on Dec 9, 2007 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
vince could afford to talk shit
he always backed it up.
just because his only "bad" game came at the wrong time shouldn't keep him from winning a deserved award. bush was certainly worthy competition, but looking at the entire season, and not even including the NC game, vince should have won.
by greenman on Dec 9, 2007 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even the best defensive players...
... Cannot live up to their potential without proper coaching, and Mack Brown has said many times after that game that we didn't expect McGee to play, didn't prepare for the option, and gave the defense its assignments on the field. They were completely unprepared due to things not playing out exactly like they were supposed to play out, which generally gives MB teams fits.
You can't blame the loss on Aggie special teams. How much of a blocked punt is Aggie incompetency and how much is Texas being a monster on special teams and generally blocking punts all the time anyway? We'll give it to them, though. 33-29 Texas. Now let's add their missed field goal, and give you the PAT point you claim. 33-33. Oh, what's this? Pino missed a field goal? Well, let's be fair and add that on there, 36-33, Texas. A&M still loses. This is all pointless, of course, as Texas was the better team that day (by 11 points) no matter how many yards the Aggies had. You brought it up, though, so I thought I would mention that you left out a little something.
All that: unprepared coaching staff, on the road, 12th man, burning sensation in Aggie pee, three turnovers, etc. and they still couldn't beat him. Hmmm... He did still run the offense to the tune of 33 points, which was enough to beat the Aggies at home, even with the entire aggie nation screaming and waving towels over their heads.
Regarding his remarks on the "12th man" and whatnot, I would have to say that whatever he said couldn't have been far off, since I went to the game this year, and you would think that absolutely dominating the rival that you base the foundation of your school upon beating would fire up the fanbase, but DKR has been louder than that for at least two games this year. Maybe it's the super-low angled sideline grandstands and the lack of wrap-around seating (aggies hate curvy things, from what I have come to understand), but the intimidation factor was pedestrian - even compared to a venue dubbed "The Library".
by Horn Brain on Dec 9, 2007 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen Mack say
he didn't expect McGee to play that day, or that he didn't expect us to run any option. I saw where he said he didn't expect us to run option so often, but we did that b/c texas was completely unable to stop it. You'll have to find me a quote somewhere where Mack said he didn't expect McGee to play and didn't expect us to run any option before I'll believe that.
I was well-known before that game that McNea was hurt in the OU game, and there was a good chance McGee might start. If texas didn't prepare for both QBs, your coaching staff is full of idiots and should be fired. I think they prepared to face both QBs, but simply couldn't stop the run. Quite frankly, I don't think Gene Chizik, for all the claims of him being a defensive guru, had a clue how to stop an option offense. Ghizik was a Tamp 2 guy, and there is an inherent weakness in that defensive scheme for the option. We exploited it in '05, and again in '06.
As for Vince, 13-25, 1 TD, 1 INT, sacked three times, and had 2 fumbles. This was against the worst pass defense IN THE NATION. Young should have had a field day, if he is the Heisman-level player y'all thought he was. He didn't. He talked shit before the game, and got hammered during it. He's just lucky Ramounce Taylor et al. were there to save the day.
As for your comments about Kyle, gameday atmosphere smack is pathetic. Whether you think it is intimidating or not is irrelevant; your team was still unable to win there.
As for the claims that the foundation of our school was built on beating our rival, you think WAAAAY too highly of yourself, but that is a common affliction for texas fans.
by Beergut on Dec 10, 2007 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
... Yes, our coaching staff is a bunch of idiots. Have you been reading the material on this site? I looked but can't find the quote where he talks about not preparing for the option, but I will swear on a stack of Bibles I heard him on the radio after the game at the press conference. It was somewhere in between where he talked about how "great" a game it was, and how we "recruited" all of A&M's players.
I know we were unable to win at Kyle Field, that's why I said the aggies were dominating us. We sucked. I was just saying that VY can say anything he wants about A&M's crowd, because they are flat unimpressive. I had expected at least better than DKR, and got worse.
I find it hard to believe that A&M "exploited" the UT defense last year to the tune of 12 points, and if you want to gripe about points left on the field, then mentioning that game probably doesn't help your case very much. Anyone can run the option for forty clock-minutes and score two touchdowns. Our defense was ready to be tucked into bed in the fourth quarter.
Finally, this disturbed me...
Young should have had a field day, if he is the Heisman-level player y'all thought he was.
Are you seriously saying that VY was not Heisman caliber? I find your reasoning suspect beyond mention and refuse to argue with you further on this subject.
by Horn Brain on Dec 10, 2007 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what purpose do you think you serve
on this site? Are you as driven to pollute other school's blogs as you are ours? You confirm Horn Brain's observation about obsessive agrics.
by Horntod on Dec 10, 2007 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If McFadden played at USC he'd have the trophy
There's no question that Darren McFadden is a better college football player than Reggie Bush was. McFadden's best game of the season was a ridiculous 4 TD event where he almost single handedly beat the #1 team in the nation. Bush's best game his Heisman winning year was against a team that finished 4th in the WAC: Fresno State.
Reggie won because he was played in LA and the second largest media market in America hyped him to win the thing before a down was played. If McFadden wasn't stuck in Arkansas he'd have the trophy.
by the1austin on Dec 9, 2007 12:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought McFadden
should've won too.
I know it's a team game, but the bottom line the best team in the SEC was LSU...
Florida played @ LSU and lost despite a great performance by Tebow. Arkansas played @ LSU and won due to a great performance by McFadden. I thought that should've been the difference IMO.
by goingforthecorner on Dec 9, 2007 2:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
Whereas in other leagues you have 8 or 12 total spots to give for postseason nods, in college football you have quite alot more, and in the NFL and MLB you can make a case that if you don't make the playoffs you can still win the MVP, but if you can't make any kind of bowl by getting to a 6-6/7-5 season, there is no way you could in the Heisman.
Also, the NFL and MLB postseason stats don't get added to regular season stats like they do in NCAAF making it seem as if just another regular season game added on to the end.
by Romo9 on Dec 9, 2007 1:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bush Love
They screwed VY because ALL the pundits love USC and due to that they loved Reggie Bush. Vince deserved the trophy before the Championship game and even more so after. Even with all the violation and ethic charges coming out against Bush while playing at the University of Spoiled Children you barely hear a whisper of taking the Heisman and giving it to it's righful owner; Vince. It still turns my stomach that Vince didn't win.
by horns65 on Dec 10, 2007 3:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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