if you can't stop philip rivers when you have to, you have problems

Said he shouldn't go there.  Other people can use his talents much better.

A&M should just end their program and close the stadium. HS recruits would never come.

but the Texans probably would've been better were they not completely destroyed by injuries. A league-leading 17 players on injured reserve. Not to mention that Houston will end up playing by far the toughest schedule in the league.

The Titans amazing defense was their key this year, but now they're falling apart. Now it looks like the Browns are going to get the final wild card instead of VY's Titans.

Those are QBs who come along once every 15-20 years.

First of all, the fact that Roethlisberger and Palmer were drafted one year apart completely debunks the literal meaning of this statement, although your intended meaning that both are special players is noted.

I think Vince could do that, but to casually toss those names out there is misguided.

I don't think it's misguided at all. Vince was the first quarterback taken in the '06 draft, and third overall. Similarly, Big Ben was 11th overall and Palmer 1st. The reason they were taken so high is because they are expected to become those special players that a team can build around. So no, I don't think it's unfair to say that the Titans are expecting Vince to turn into someone akin to Big Ben and Palmer.

Vince has a loooooooong way to go to reaching the abilities of Roethlisberger and Palmer as a pocket passer in the NFL.

Agreed, that's what we're discussing.

I think he'll get there, but even if he's just down a small notch from them, his career wouldnt necessarily be unsuccessful by any means.

What's a small notch? For my part, I'm not casually tossing the term "above average" out there. In my mind, an above average quarterback is rare (though not as rare as once every 15-20 years). In my mind, a perfectly average quarterback is one who can potentially lead a great team to a Super Bowl win, but can't sustain a normal to mediocre team. Think Trent Dilfer circa the Ravens SB win. The best examples I can think of from a fan standpoint are Philip Rivers and Eli Manning (ironically, the two QBs taken ahead of Big Ben in the '04 draft. I must note that Football Outsiders thinks Eli is a terrible quarterback, and having him on one of my fantasy teams, I concur). They're both solid, on teams that post winning records but aren't real contenders for the Super Bowl. And if I was building a Super Bowl caliber team from the best of the best, I wouldn't want any part of either.

Admittedly, it's a gray topic, and it's one that I've been hearing recently on a lot of sports radio shows. Mike and Mike were talking about it just last week (or two weeks ago?), trying to come up with the 5 best QBs in the NFL. And it's a hard list.

Obviously Brady and Manning are at the top of the list, but who else do you put on there? Romo, who's unproven in the postseason? Ditto with Palmer. Favre is past his peak, but he's been great this year. There's Big Ben, Hasselbeck, and Drew Brees (solid but unspectacular) as well.

But after that? You're looking at a big pile of average. If that's your small notch, I gotta say, Vince Young as the next David Garrard, Jeff Garcia or Jon Kitna doesn't exactly thrill me. Even if you want to put him on the level of Hasselbeck and Brees, "his career wouldnt necessarily be unsuccessful by any means," but it wouldn't be what we're expecting from Vince either (which is to say, multiple Pro Bowls, considerations for MVPs, Super Bowl win(s)).

In summation, I guess I just don't understand what your expected level of success for Vince is. If it's not the Palmer/Big Ben level, then what is it? Would it be validating for him to go to a couple of Pro Bowls, maybe lose a Super Bowl, but never reach the level of greatness we Longhorn fans expected?

With Vince, I'm not looking for "wouldn't necessarily be unsuccesful." I'm looking for transcendent.