Honest Ag's take

by WacArnolds on Feb 6, 2007 4:18 PM CST Comment 39 comments

I know you have probably heard enough about this game but I just wanted to address a few things various posters have mentioned and give you my take - only because its the correct one.

I came away very impressed with both teams. I thought we performed a little better than I expected and thought. You guys seem one PJ Tucker away from a Big XII title this year.
The amount of youth, and very talented youth, was incredible. You guys ran out 5 or 6 freshmen that balled on one of the best defenses in the nation, scoring 82 pts when noone had even topped 70. A&M was also greatly helped out by multiple freshmen.
If UT was capable of winning a game like this, then they really blew their chance. Tremendous foul trouble, a lack of supposed 'home court advantage', a star player missing time with injury, desperation minutes from the unlikeliest of Aggie bench players. It was set up perfectly for you guys, you just couldn't make the plays. Including Durant
Durant is tremendously talented. I'm really pissed I couldn't get my ticket because seeing him in person would have been sweet. But at times, you come away wondering how in hell a 6-9 shooting guard doesn't have the ball in hands at the top of the key on every possession. The refs were allowing very little contact when the ball was in his hands (hell I got two fouls called on me watching the game is Houston), yet on numerous occasions, he did not do enough to command the ball. If he wants to be the next Melo, he needs to assert himself and act like the dominant person he is.
The lack of defense you guys play must be quite amusing for your opponents. Yeah, I know that A&M fouls alot and probably reaches in too often, but the amount of uncontested trips we had to the basket was incredible - and we hardly ever drive to the rim until the end of the game. I don't know how many times I saw Damien James just standing in the key as some guy blew past him all the way from the 3 pt. line. Even Durant allows this to happen too often, only he is suprisingly adept at blocking shots from behind. I thought Barnes was a defensive kind of guy. I would think somebody in that collection of orange jerseys you call a bench would be able to defend on the perimeter, in the paint, or anywhere else on a court, but I guess not.
The 'shot' - yea you guys think its dumb that a poster was made. But remember, this shot pretty much sealed our first NCAA tourney birth in practically forever. Some of you claim you don't remember it, but ESPN only showed it 100 freaking times in the past couple of days. If, and its a big IF, A&M somehow turned into a national program under Gillispie, this shot could be considered THE defining moment/turning point in our fate. I'm just really glad that it happened against a top-10 ranked longhorn team. It doesn't make the moment, it just makes the moment that much sweeter.
Running up the score - did NOT happen. We ran down the 35-second clock to 2, put the ball in the hands of a guy who has played about 3 minutes of Big XII basketball. If anything we tried to not score. Did you want us to take a shot clock violation because we were playing our rival. Barnes should have realized with a minute to go that the game was over and called off the fouls. You can thank him for the c-note that is plastered on various sports headlines.
I heard Barnes had some not-so kind words to say about A&M, including (not exact quotes):
[edit: ignore this next part, probably a little of base and definitely not agreed upon by UT faithful.]

"yea they have good players, we can't get everybody" like anyone would have the audacity to play for someone besides UT
and "the crowd sounded stupid, saying stuff we said in middle school" - what do you mean Rick, stuff like 'play defense', 'get the ball to the best player', 'the game is over, quit fouling or they're gonna score a 100'? You probably should have listened to them. Next time, how about a little respect for a rowdy home croud.

Other than that, you guys have a decent team. I just think you are the epitome of the saying 'with the way they play, this team could beat anybody, this team could lose to anybody.'

Good luck til we meet in Austin.

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rick's great

Every A&M-area writer asks visiting coaches the same thing over and over. How is it playing in College Station now? Did you ever think this would ever happen at A&M? It's as if they need validation from everyone else that their team is good.

And nice spin on the first "quote" from Rick. Plus, you don't use exact quotes from Rick, but yet you seem to know exactly what was said from nearby fans despite being in Houston for the game.

Respect for a rowdy home crowd??? Why? What difference does it make?

by Jason Mayer on Feb 6, 2007 4:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Barnes' comments

My work computer does not allow me to listen to webcast audio so, at the time of the post, I hadn't heard everything he had to say, only some second hand stuff, and it is not nearly as bad as some make it out to be.

but i still think he overreacted quite a bit to the question about the atmosphere. i think it was an honest question - the place had changed dramatically - and the reporter wanted an outsider's take. i think barnes could have given a basic answer, something along the lines of 'we are used to playing in tough environments', instead of proclaiming that it was NOT the loudest arena he has played in, when noone said it was.

i didn't try to say your coach sucks or such, i just thought, originally, that he didn't show a whole lot of class in defeat. the rest of the interview he displayed plenty of class.

by WacArnolds on Feb 6, 2007 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

comments

Without lowering this to an argument on semantics, I really don't understand what you're trying to say. You say he didn't show a lot of class in defeat, but then you say he displayed plenty of class. Huh??? So really, you only wished he had answered with something more favorable to the Aggie crowd.

Again, I ask you, what difference does it make? I will never understand the ridiculous nature of the class issue and why it matters to so many people. What do you want Rick to do, kneel down at the altar of Reed Arena, saying he wishes he never had to play there ever again because the crowd is so daunting?

Also, the reporter who asked that question is clearly looking for one answer that Barnes wasn't going to give to him. He knows why that question was asked, and he even said it was a great environment.

Of course, he probably should have said something different so typical, insecure Aggies can toot their own horns about what a great arena they have. I really don't get why that matters to anyone.

by Jason Mayer on Feb 6, 2007 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

whatever

I don't expect him to bow at the altar of Reed, whatever that means, or suck us off. I thought the interviewer asked him his impression of the atmosphere, not whether or not Reed Arena is better than Chapel Hill. If Barnes thought the question was something different, then whatever.

I could give a rat's @$$ if Barnes thinks Reed sux or is better than the Dean Dome. I just know the last 3 times he's walked into Reed, he left with a loss and often not because of talent.

by WacArnolds on Feb 6, 2007 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

re: whatever

When did North Carolina come into the picture? He said it was a great environment - what more do you want from the guy? Whatever, keep blowing it out of proportion.

by Jason Mayer on Feb 6, 2007 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not specifically

i just used an ACC arena that most assume is loud as an example. i already told you i hadn't heard the whole interview and that, upon further review, he did show class. and the only thing i want from him is for his team's defense to not improve for the rest of the year. i'm really hoping we sweep this year.

by WacArnolds on Feb 6, 2007 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Honest Horn's Response

Go walk into oncoming traffic.

You can't spell cocksucker without OU.

by maverick76904 on Feb 6, 2007 4:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Well,

that's definitely honest. Teehee.

So take that.

by Kahuna on Feb 6, 2007 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Press Conference

Just listened to Rick's press conference (it's on aggieathletics.com) and I would suggest you stop reading message boards about what he said. He had nothing but great things to say about the Aggie program and Acie Law, in particular.

It's amazing what happens to innocuous, complementary comments once they get taken out of context.

by Jason Mayer on Feb 6, 2007 5:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

listened to it as well

boy, he didn't sound to happy with the way the game ended. it's long, but to hit on the quotes pointed out, when talking about Acie Law (after gushing on him a bit):

Q: "Did you recruit Acie Law?"

A: "No, we didn't. [We] recruited Joe Jones...but again, it goes back, I mean, we can't take all the players, but believe me... Acie Law... I love watching guys improve over time and I'm not sure there's anyone that's improved any more than him since I've been a coach."

On the atmosphere at Reed Arena:

Q: "Coach, your impression of Reed Arena tonight, the atmosphere here?"

A: "What do you want me to say? I mean, we've been in louder buildings... I'm not going to sit here and tell you it's the loudest building we've been in, cause it's not. I've said all along, I've been impressed since Billy's been here that the fans have really supported his program... and they should be excited, I mean he's done a great job. But if you want me to say it's the loudest building we've played in, it's not. But I think it's a great environment. I really think their administration has done a great job at putting an emphasis on having top notch basketball program here and it shows up in the way they've made the arena nicer. They've made a new scoreboard, all that stuff. What makes any building tough is the team, and Texas A&M's got an outstanding basketball team. That's what makes arena's tough. It's not the crazy 'sit down busdrivers' cheers. That went out back when I was in junior high school. They should start the one about, you know, watermelon, watermelon, watermelon, rind. Look at the scoreboard, see who's behind. That's where they should go with that."

i tried to be as accurate as possible while taking out some of the stammering he does.

I think he was a bit pissed at the way his team lost down the stretch and was attempting to temper his comments, but he had lots of good things to say about A&M, their program, their coach, and their players. Obviously he thought some of the cheers were amateurish and attempted to make light of it. I don't think there's anything in there for Aggies to get up in arms about.

by littlevisigoth on Feb 6, 2007 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whatever happened...

...to Law I, Law II, and Law III?

by SelimSivad on Feb 6, 2007 5:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

He did do enough to command the ball

In my opinion, one of Durant's greatest strengths is the degree of unselfishness he exhibits by distributing the ball and forcing every shot that comes his way. That's not to say he doesn't make some bad shot decisions sometimes or that he doesn't shoot a lot, which he rightfully does.

Saying Durant needs to "act like the dominant person he is" makes it sound like he had 10 points and 5 boards, not the 28 points and 15 boards that he did have. Durant is so fawned over because he -does- play so dominantly so consistently.

And no, i don't remember "the shot". It was a regular season game. Sealing an NCAA tournament berth or not, the importance and awe bestowed upon that shot proved to an entire national audience how irrational and success-starved College Station has become.

You can hardly call 18+ bench points "desperation minutes", nor can you honestly say that your "star player [missed] time with injury". Law played for 37 minutes. Durant played 39. A three minute run to the locker room is -not- enough missed time to imply that the aggies served this game up on a silver platter and the horns blew it.

by HWO on Feb 6, 2007 5:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Durant

In games that I have seen you guys lose this year (besides OSU), Durant has disappeared at the end of games. I know he has had plenty of great games, but your team is predicated on his success. I think that, no matter how many points he scores in the game, if he is not taking command of the game in the final minutes, he is not playing at a dominant level. And according to your school's website, Durant has 36 assists in 23 games. that doesn't exactly illustrate the way he "unselfishly distributes the ball". I think that someone that demands that much from the defense should set his teammates up more and i don't always see this.

Look, I'm not trying to bash the guy. He's damn good. I just feel like there have been a few games where he has not stepped up to the challenge at the end of the game. He has nothing to be ashamed of this season - but if he has one 10 minute span like he had last night sometime in March, your team will not stand a chance.

by WacArnolds on Feb 6, 2007 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

our bench

If you knew how bad some of the players we put on the court last night, you would be ashamed to let this game slip by. At one point when the foul trouble was at its worst, it was Acie Law and four guys who never see the court.

It would be akin to yall playing a lineup of Augistine, jd lewis, winder, pittman and whoever resides at the end of the bench. i honestly could not believe that we won a game that those people played in that was not mop up duty.

by WacArnolds on Feb 6, 2007 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i meant not forcing every shot

by HWO on Feb 6, 2007 5:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

mostly honest Ag...

WackyA, I got to give you most of what you had to say, but you did miss the rim, net and entire freakin backboard with that comment about Barnes at the end.

I got alot of respect for A&M now that they have actually beaten two ranked opponents and no longer begrudge them their rightful spot in the top 10 and pending serious run during March Madness...now you get to find out how much of a pain in the ass it is to playin in a useless Conf Tournament and risk what happens if you happen to loose then and invite doubt from media and fans. That's the position UT's been in for some time now.

I just hope the 'new era' fans you've talked about on a number of occassions can win with the same grace you have spoken of, and pretty much prove in your postings here. My first hand experience unfortunately has shown me some serious revisionist history underway from Aggieville...i.e. alum I've seen and talked to are starting to think this program has been massively underated for three or more years now, when we all know that 'The Shot' was the first time anyone needed to really step up and take notice; prior to that you only lead the league in fouls called against. Winning by attrition is not exactly the way you build a quality program that will truly last. As Gillespie gets better recruits, and he will do that I have no doubt, the true test will be if he can get away from mug-D and mold a real caliber program. I hope he does.

I wish you the best of luck, and know that bringing your high ranking into Austin is nothing but good for UT if they we can get our Frosh wonders to play a little D and save something for the last 5 minutes of the game.

by longhornJ on Feb 6, 2007 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

thanks

thanks for the good wishes. i addressed all the negative comments but skipped by your somewhat positive post.

don't know why Ags are saying we were underrated. Maybe undervalued or underperforming. If A&M basketball was a stock, people who bought in 2003 would be sitting fat right now.

good luck with the all the young guys in the lineup. just go ahead a waste your best game when yall travel to Kansas so we don't have to see it.

by WacArnolds on Feb 6, 2007 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if more of your fellow Alum were like you...

I'm sure my comments would have bordered on 'gushing' after that game. Unfortunately, there are some that want to take your last three home wins against us in BB and turn it into something it isn't (yet?).

hell, I even was at an event with some dork who graduated 'back in the day' like me and wanted to translate the basketball resurgence into some sort of overall Aggie dominance of UT "if you take the last 15-20 years alone into account..." Thankfully the free drinks had softened my heart for this truly delussional soul so I didn't feel the need to embarass him any more than he already was in front of his wife, who was from LSU btw...hmmmm!

The fact remains that we have a great rivalry but with the exception of very brief and narrow windows in time, UT has consistantly had the edge, sometimes a big edge sometimes very narrow. You can call it arrogance, pride or even (dare I say?) tradition, but the facts ultimately bear it out.

by longhornJ on Feb 7, 2007 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you kidding me?

Didn't "want" to hit the century mark? I'll concede that the players probably had no intention of running up the score - and if what you say about the kid that made the shot is true (I will watch grass grow before I actually waste my time researching Ag stats), then good for him that he got to score some points in a huge game.

Having said that, you know damned good and well that you maroon kool-aid gulping freaks wanted to hit 100 - if you say you didn't then you're full of sh*t!!!

Glad to see aTm athletics has stirred from the dead ever so slightly, but I would remind you that one season does not a dynasty make (not in football, basketball, sheep-herding or anything else you freaks try to celebrate as a victory over the beloved Longhorns).

As a side note - Ag fans had the priviledge of saying that they beat the defending National Champions in football; good for ya'll. When is the last time an opponent of aTm has had the opportunity to say the same thing after a victory over the Ags - IN ANY SPORT?????

by Screw O.U. on Feb 6, 2007 5:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

100 sure does have a nice ring to it

no i could really have cared less that we scored a hundred, until you guys kept fouling and we got to around 93-82. you could have just played the game out and left down by 11 or so. barnes wanted to keep playing so we hit a few FT and a desparation 3 at the end of the shot clock. I guess we could have kneeld on 4th down, but this is a different sport. some of these guys never get to touch the court and that guy probably scored his first Big XII points.

and screw off with the national championship crap. by the time the game between us rolled around, you were closer to Alamo bowl champs than national champs. maybe next year we play in basketball, if you beat us, you might be the first in a while to say you beat a national champion Ag team. we'll just have to see.

by WacArnolds on Feb 6, 2007 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

National Championship "crap"

You guys HAVE lost it....listen pal, there is more to life than just beating Texas - it's called a National Championship - and we won more of those in the last two years (baseball; football) than you guys have in the last 60. Wake up and smell the coffee!

by Screw O.U. on Feb 7, 2007 6:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

is there really...

more to life than beating the almighty UT. I thought we just counted all of our other games as exhibitions until yall rolled around. I don't even know why we play the rest of the people in our conference. We could care less about conference/national championship - all we want to do is beat UT.

Did it bother you when noone even thought about rushing the court after we hung a bill on yall guys? I can't imagine how ready you were to make fun of us poor Aggies for rushing the court against a (soon-to-be unranked) UT team. Seems like we are getting use to it now. Compared to the Kansas game last week, the game Monday night was just another day at the office.

I know deep down your worst fear is that we might actually become competitive with you - I'm not saying we have caught you or passed you, but I would expect it to happen eventually. I wonder if the next time we play, if you pull out the victory at the FEC, will your crowd decide to rush the court?

by WacArnolds on Feb 7, 2007 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

tradition

I can't believe how giddy ags are about a couple of wins. This was predicted to be your year in round ball not ours. Now lets see how things turn out in the end. Congratulations. Now come back when you have won some kind of championship. 1939 was a long time ago.

by UTeed on Feb 6, 2007 9:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

we are glad our team won

did you guys celebrate when you finally beat OU after 5 years of losing. Or did you wait until this past year, when you finally won the championship.

You're damn right we are giddy - we got a bunch of underrated overachieving individuals playing exactly how a team should play, beating teams filled with blue-chip atheletes. Did you call George Mason last March, Wake Forest or Boise St. this past December, and tell them how stupid they sounded and shut up until they showed you a championship.

We sucked @ss three years ago, probably the worst BCS basketball team in America - now we are the best team in the conference, top 8 in the nation. Funny that we are excited over that, huh?

by WacArnolds on Feb 6, 2007 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Difference between George Mason

Wake Forest, and Boise State when compared to A&M this year- All three of the schools you mentioned actually had post-season accomplishments (Final Four, BCS game, BCS win). A&M postseason accomplishments- NOTHING! It's still the regular season for goodness sakes! All three of those teams had concrete reasons to tout their teams. I'm not saying A&M fans shouldn't be proud of their team, because obviously ya'll are having a heck of a season. I just think that ags are going a little over the top touting their basketball success (see "The Shot" mural/poster/idol) without any post-season accomplishments.

by HWO on Feb 6, 2007 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

December..

I put December in there to show that before the BCS (postseason) games were played, fans of these schools still had plenty to be excited about.

And the 'shot' poster (which I could care less about) was for last year, when we actually did win a postseason game for the first time in over 20 years and were another 'shot' away from the sweet 16. I know at an elite school like UT, that might not be much to be excited about, but I could care less what you guys thinks is worthy of celebration. I was merely posting my comments on the game.

by WacArnolds on Feb 7, 2007 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

smack

I think people around here are giving you a lot more props for your basketball team than would ever happen if it were reversed. Sports success (national, team and individual, national champions) at The University of Texas are in double digits in the last six or seven years so forgive us if we don't look at your two victories as earth shattering. Congratulations.

by UTeed on Feb 7, 2007 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you kidding me?

"did you guys celebrate when you finally beat OU after 5 years of losing"...Hell yea and I'm still celebrating... that is why i can agree with you about aTm's being "giddy".

Just Remember, No Matter What Happens, ou SUCKS.

by ouALWAYSsux on Feb 7, 2007 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Arena

I'm sure Barnes, being a former ACC coach, has seen crazier arenas. And also his team just lost a game, give him a break. Its not like Aggies are so full of class either. :)

Although aTm is a great team..in the tourney anything can happen especially when its not a home game..:)

Good win though.

by bachelorette on Feb 6, 2007 10:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i know

i've never heard anyone say that Reed is the loudest in the nation. i don't know where barnes got that from. but i do love the fact that a team will have to beat us on a neutral court in the tourney - i think we will be welll prepared.

but thanks on the congrats. good luck until we meet again. I hope there is just this much excitement nationally when we play again. can't be bad for either team.

by WacArnolds on Feb 6, 2007 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Honest Ag or Honestly an Ag?

See, when discussing the Longhorns, it's next to impossible for Aggies to be either honest or objective.

Take your comments about Barnes for example. Granted, you've backed off of your original statement, but you took Aggie heresay as the Bible, and were crucifying Barnes because of what another Aggie said about him. You seem pretty rational WacArnold, so I say this to enlighten you, not to denigrate you. We don't believe anything Aggies say. Especially when it comes to anything about the Longhorns.

While you seem like a respectable person, and have always been polite in your "attacks" (don't over-emphasize this word) on the Longhorn nation, at the core, you are still an Aggie. Someone who takes everything negative you hear about any Longhorn program and assumes it is automatically accurate. That empitomizes why Longhorns say that Aggies have an inferiority complex about the Longhorns. "You" always try to justify yourself by seeking Longhorns approval. It's called "Big Brother Syndrome".

If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable.

by GoHorns on Feb 7, 2007 9:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

"big brother syndrome"

crap like that is partly why people at A&M hate you - because of your arrogance. you guys aren't our big brothers, you're the pricks that moved in the neighborhood the same time we did, won the lottery and haven't shut up about it since. of course we envy your success, but who wouldn't.

where did i "crucify" barnes - i merely stated that i didn't think he showed the 'class' that you guys seem to be so full of yourselves over. i still sort of think that way about certain comments, but also believed he complimented other aspects of the program with class.

how you can become so arrogant is beyond me. where was i trying to "justify myself by seeking your approval". i was merely posting my comments on the game, and on your team - some good, others bad. because you guys considered yourselves so enlightened, i figured you could take a little criticism, because your team obviously deserves some, but i was wrong. anything coming from an Ag is merely "seeking of approval" or "pounding our chest over meaningless accomplishments". Where did i even say i was proud of the way our team played.

by WacArnolds on Feb 7, 2007 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm at a loss

I don't know what you expected when you posted. You seem like an intelligent guy and then get offended by our responses to calling Barnes a classless, ineffective coach who surprisingly doesn't think Reed Arena is the second coming of the Roman Colosseum and how we blew a game handed to us on a silver platter due to foul trouble.

Now excuse me while I go sulk in a dark corner of my office trying to reconcile the fact that everyone at A&M hates me.

i merely stated that i didn't think he showed the 'class' that you guys seem to be so full of yourselves over

Also, please don't go here. If I had a nickel for every self-righteous Aggie fan that brayed on and on about class, I'd be a rich man.

by Jason Mayer on Feb 7, 2007 3:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

"You are a rich woman."

"See what I mean?"

I'm going on three months without a Fletch viewing. Unacceptable. Guess I know what I'm doing tonight.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Feb 7, 2007 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that's a beautiful name

It's Scotch-Romanian.

Glad someone picked up on that :)

by Jason Mayer on Feb 7, 2007 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey hey hey

Far be it for me to proclaim some sort of respect or love for an Aggie (or Sooner for that matter), but it seems that we're getting into a pissing match with WacArnolds for the sake of getting into a pissing match.

I, for one, welcome our new Aggie overlords...

...wait for it... wait for it... I keed!!! (Seriously, don't ban me for making the joke.)

Seriously again, I think we ought to cut WacArnolds some slack for being a reasonably reasonable Aggie. Sure, we're not going to agree with some of his opinions, but he's coming from a diametrically opposed point of view. It's to be expected.

I'll also cut him (and the rest of the Aggies) some slack on being excited about winning some basketball games. He's right about us being giddy after finally snapping the streak against OU. Is it so wrong for them to be proud of a regular season win against a good team and perennial rival? No so much. I still remember with much pride when Texas beat North Carolina back in the day (late 90's?) since it was the first win over a traditional college basketball superpower that I'd witnessed. They'll get over it soon.

And, they'll get over their giddiness when they realize that thug basketball doesn't win championships. Kelvin Sampson and Thug (O)U learned it the hard way.

Lastly, who cares what WacArnolds or any Aggie says about Barnes? Everybody outside of the BON thinks Mack Brown is a weak gameday coach (even after 05-06), but we know the truth (Greg Davis is a weak OC every day, haha!). Rick Barnes is a great coach who has done wonders at a school where baseball pulls in more fans annually than basketball (yes, there are more baseball games in a season so it's a false comparison but the basketball team only averages double the fans at home that the baseball teams does). That said, we may be his biggest critics.

Anyway, I think I've lost traction in this comment. My point is, WacArnolds may be biased but he's no brazos (unless he's just brazos in sheep's clothing waiting to strike). Let's appreciate that and let bygones be bygones.

So take that.

by Kahuna on Feb 7, 2007 4:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i agree

i think it's good that fans of other schools, even A&M, come here and offer us some perspective. it's not like WacArnolds came on here flaming about how we suck and they rule. i happen to agree that we missed an opportunity with their entire starting lineup in foul trouble and not being able to take advantage of some of the matchups down the stretch. that goes to show that they're a well coached team and it's their offensive and defensive "systems" that beat us as much as their individual players (although Law really had a fantastic game). i also think that people are blowing the poster of "the shot" out of proportion while equally ignoring that it was in fact a pretty pivotal moment for their program. remember that it wasn't too long ago that the Ags went 0-16 in conference play (ESPN kept reminding us).

WA, with the exception of the distortion of Barnes comments, I think you offered a valid opposition viewpoint that's hard to argue with, not matter how some of us will try. Thanks for not being Brazos.

by littlevisigoth on Feb 7, 2007 5:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

to kahuna and littlevisigoth

i appreciate your support. i did not come to flame on you guys, i just was addressing some of the comments going around as well as adding some of my own thoughts. i probably should have left out the barnes stuff as this is a UT board. i just had not seen it addressed and wanted to get your thoughts (which I now have).

i agree this probably turned into an arguement for arguement's sake. oh well, we won't opposed each other again for a couple of weeks. can't wait for the rematch.

by WacArnolds on Feb 7, 2007 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Big brother complex

Yes, Texas fans might act like we're better than you and everyone else (we are, but I guess that proves the point) but Aggies have created that complex themselves. Your fight song doesn't mention us, it is ABOUT us. You (I'm speaking generally here, not necessarily about WacA) have always treated every other game like exhibition and have lived and died with your game against us. You know it's true. I, for one, do not consider aTm our rival. The nail is not the hammer's rival.

Your comment about being our being pissed that you didn't storm the court - you know what, I am a little pissed about that. It's supposed to be the biggest win of your lives. My friends who are aggies are supposed to call me at midnight to taunt me about winning a regular season game against us. Maybe someday, if you guys actually move on from that crap and celebrate it as a big win (but not a national holiday), you might stop being little brother with Napoleon complex.

Congrats on the good game. See you in Austin

by SaintBevo on Feb 7, 2007 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs