Dan Wetzel's article on NBA age limit
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=dw-agedefiance022807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Has anyone read this article yet? I haven't fully formulated my opinion on this matter so I figured I would submit it to the gallery here and see what others think.
His knee jerk reaction (no pun intended) to this incident seems like a classic example of taking one singular incident and creating an entire argument based around those circumstances; to me this is the worst kind of reporting. He is issuing an agenda and swaying the masses without a fully formed argument.
I was wondering if anyone else has thought about this issue, and if so what are your opinions on the age limit for the NBA?
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In no way should
You can't argue with this at all. With that said, i think it would become evident that in certain occupations, time spent in a higher learning enviroment would be mandatory. The fact that this is sports related has nothing to do with how you can answer this. Each occupation has requirements that must be met in order for employment to exist.
Can a man go from high school golf to the PGA tour, the answer is yes, if he meets the PGA's requirements.The profession will determine the qualifications for employemnt. We really need BON's resident counselor "BZ" in on this discussion.
by ouALWAYSsux on Mar 1, 2007 11:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i've been summoned...
"The profession will determine the qualifications for employemnt." This is the crux of what you're syaing here. Now, if you're talking about certifications for having certain jobs (like you have to be a memeber of the bar association in order to practice law), then that's not true. Those are state and federal laws, not ones set by the profession. If you're talking about how certain employers won't hire you if you don't have a college degree, then that's valid.
However, the issue is that the NBA is a monopoly and, while the US courts have allowed sports leagues to maintain monopolies, the problem arises that there are no competitors for the NBA. So the NBA is unilaterally telling every 18-year old in the country not only that they can't play in the NBA, but that they can't play in a major league basketball league in the United States. The monopoly denies alternatives to the NBA for these 18 year olds. For instance, one company might not hire you without an undergraduate degree. But every other relatively equivalent company still might. That company's decision not to hire you doesn't necessarily leave you without any options.
Now, this doesn't mean I'm necessarily against the monopoly the NBA has on major basketball leagues in the United States. I'm merely saying that because the US courts have construed antitrust laws to allow this monopoly, I believe that the NBA has a higher (non-legal) burden to not make arbitrary rules to exclude some people.
College is probably good for some people, bad for others. The problem is that there is no other league in which to truly showcase your assets for the NBA other than the NCAA. So it forces kids to go to college if they want to make the NBA, which is something the NBA should not be in the business of doing.
by billyzane on Mar 1, 2007 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's not really a viable option
- europe doesn't have the same exposure as college. yes, the NBA scouts europe, but it's not the same.
- an 18-year old playing professional basketball in europe? 18-years old? never been in a plane, 18-years old? the NBA is tough enough without the culture shock.
by billyzane on Mar 1, 2007 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any difference here
by Wells on Mar 1, 2007 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks BZ..........
Look at the varience in qualifications to get into the NBA,NFL,MLB, Dang they get'em out of H.S. in baseball, after 1 year for NBA, and I think 3 years NFL.
This could be a big debate, and I'm not qualified to be a contestant. I just think that if you qualify you qualify.......Thanks again BZ.
by ouALWAYSsux on Mar 1, 2007 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll be the bad guy
What is wrong with an industry setting an arbitrary age limit? Consider a town with five bars in it that each independently agree that they are not going to hire bartenders that are below the age of 21. The local laws allow anyone of the age of majority to bartend. Why is this law bad or unfair?
Isn't that what has happened here? Before the age limit. Various franchises are investing in players that have high potential, but also are at high risk of failure and are of very little short-term use to the franchise (in either the on court product or the store). Why is it irksome that they institute an age limit of one year that allows for the franchises to shift some of that original risk of failure on to the players not yet in the league?
by ged3 on Mar 1, 2007 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well...
but if those bars get together and collectively decide that they're not going to hire certain types of people, that's collusion and it's illegal because it stifles economic competition. the NBA gets around that because the age limit is part of the collective bargaining agreement with the players' union.
so like i said, an individual NBA franchise doesn't have to take on these risks of drafting 18 year olds if they don't want to. and i believe when high school kids became big in the draft recently, many teams didn't take them because of the risks. but as they saw what they were missing out on, those teams realized that the potential reward is worth the risk and so they took it. that's the spirit of economic (and all types of) competition. just because the NBA can do what it does within the bounds of the law (unlike other types of businesses) doesn't make it right.
by billyzane on Mar 1, 2007 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You answered my question above
by Wells on Mar 1, 2007 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
half a step ahead of you on the law...
by billyzane on Mar 1, 2007 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Prob. going to have to agree to disagree, but
Why is a union asking for salary floors and benefit good and owners agreeing they don't want 18 year olds "collusion" and thus bad?
by ged3 on Mar 2, 2007 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not collusion
look, full disclosure, i like the age limit for selfish reasons. those being that i love college basketball much more than the NBA and like seeing these phenomenal players in college before they take their games to the pros. but what i don't like is what it does to these kids because of the reasons i've enumerated above.
a better option would be to develop a better farm league system, expand the NBA draft a few more rounds, and require that 18-year olds drafted not be on an NBA roster for some number of year(s) and instead be payed minor league salaries. that would give these high school kids real options, similar to what they have in MLB. some want to go to college, some would rather go to the NBDL (or some version of the minor leagues that's a farm system for the NBA). what the NBA is doing now is effectively telling them that they HAVE to go to college for a year.
by billyzane on Mar 2, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your last paragraph
by ouALWAYSsux on Mar 2, 2007 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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