Vince cursed
by hodad on Apr 16, 2007 7:30 PM CDT
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Tennessee Titans quarterback Vince Young will be on the cover of the EA Sports Madden 2008 video game.
A source with knowledge of the situation confirmed Young’s gracing the cover of the game to The City Paper. Efforts to reach EA Sports were unsuccessful on Monday.
An official announcement is expected on Tuesday and Young will appear on "Jimmy Kimmel Live" as part of the kickoff promotion for the newest version the popular NFL video game that is endorsed by NFL Hall of Fame coach and analyst John Madden.
Of course, appearing on the cover of the game has produced a "jinx" of sorts in recent seasons.
Several players, including former Titan Eddie George, have graced the cover, then succumbed to injury or ineffectiveness in the season they were on the game’s front.
George was on the cover during the 2001 season, the year he suffered through a toe injury. In 2000, George had rushed for a career-high 1,509 yards. Because of the injury, George managed just 939 yards in 2001 as the Titans slumped from 13-3 to 7-9.
Other prominent players to fall victim to the Madden Curse include quarterbacks Donovan McNabb and Daunte Culpepper and last year’s cover man Shaun Alexander.
Young apparently will also appear in commercial spots for the game that will be aired during coverage of the NFL Draft.
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Cursed?
Vince is impervious to sports cover curses...
by utcopt on Apr 16, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what they said about the SI cover as well.
hodad, surely you're not just learning of this Vince Young guy.
by GoHorns on Apr 17, 2007 7:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
EA knows Vince
EA knows Vince, and they want to end the cover curse, that's why they put him on there. VY don't heed no stinking curses.
by oregonlonghorn on Apr 17, 2007 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
None is real
but when the public picks up on a statistical correlation like this, perhaps it has psychological impacts that are real.
In the case of Vince Young, I doubt it.
by BrooklynHorn on Apr 17, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not
but this one is especially dumb.
by Red Blooded on Apr 19, 2007 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conversation with Vince on ESPN
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatES...
If Vince doesn't believe in the curse, I don't either.
by The Senator on Apr 17, 2007 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vince
All this does is ensure Titans make a deep playoff run and possibly win the superbowl, right?
by JohnsonUT on Apr 17, 2007 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vince will not falter due to the cover jinx...
Most fully expected a truly break-through season this year for the Titans, but after a horrendous off season, the Titans (even with VY's magic) will be lucky to see another.500 season.
by Lincoln on Apr 17, 2007 6:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vince won't be cursed, but...
His team won't make the playoffs, and they'll lose to twice to the Texans, which will make the playoffs. When that happens, don't blame the curse... blame the Titans for not being good enough.
Sorry fellow Horn fans. I know you hate the Texans because they didn't draft VY, but the bottom line is it wasn't a mistake at all. Texans didn't screw up like everyone will make you believe. They needed defensive help, so they drafted Mario Williams. Mario will be a future hall of famer at DT. Texans will probably draft an OT this year.
You don't need a superstar QB to win Super Bowls. David Carr was good enough, but they had the opportunity to steal Matt Schaub, so they did it. Texans will be just fine. I don't know if I can say the same about the Titans...
by goingforthecorner on Apr 18, 2007 4:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's see
Vince Young for #1 pick in the draft or Matt Schaub for giving up on a "good enough" QB for nothing and a couple draft picks to Atlanta? I'll take "Did they really do that?" for $1000, Alex.
You can take several DT's later in the draft. You can argue need at the DT position all you want, but in Vince, the Texans had the ability to bring home a legend. They passed. They had a chance to bring in someone who was going to immediately gel the team. They passed. They had a chance to bring in a leader that has no peers. They passed. They had a chance to bring in someone they would be able to market like no one they have ever witnessed. They passed. They had a chance to bring in a QB that is better than "good enough" to take them to a SB. Again, they passed.
The fact that they dismissed Carr after giving him an $8 million bonus is just a side note to the circus that is the Houston Texans.
by GoHorns on Apr 18, 2007 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, what he said
I was just going to call him a moron.
by Wells on Apr 18, 2007 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Mario, thanks.
VY a legend? A college legend you mean. Last time I checked, he couldn't lead his team to the playoffs. It's not all his fault of course. His team wasn't good enough. Well, this year his team's even worse. If the Texans drafted VY, they'd still miss the playoffs.
Mario Williams is a beast. Why would Houston want to draft VY? When you have the #1 pick, that probably means that your team SUCKS. As in, many holes everywhere. VY would gel the team? WAHAHA! You clearly know nothing about the Texans, so why are you talking about them then? If we drafted him, he'd get sacked ALL THE TIME. He's mobile, but he'd still get creamed enough times like Carr did. VY is marketable, but winning sells tickets pretty well also.
Our OL sucks. If you're going to argue about drafting Mario, you should've suggested Dabrickashaw (sp?) Ferguson, not a QB. Carr may not be an elite QB, but he was not a major weakness that needed to be addressed. We had more more greater weaknesses to worry about.
That "circus" that is the Houston Texans have a better chance at making the playoffs than that team that VY's on. Deal with it.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 18, 2007 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Texans
I'd say that the really stupid thing that the Texans did wasn't necessarily passing on Vince (and Reggie) but that they didn't trade down. Honestly Williams would still have been there at the 4th pick at least and probably later. They could have traded down with the Jets and gotten an extra pick or two and Williams.
BTW, Williams is a defensive end, not a defensive tackle. Additionally, I would label his rookie statistics disappointing.
16 games 35 tackles 12 assists 4.5 sacks 1 forced fumble.
by hodad on Apr 18, 2007 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That's probably the one thing I regret about the pick. We could've traded down and gotten him, but I'm happy of getting him regardless. Mario's rookie status was disappointing, but plantar fasciitis has a lot to do with that.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 18, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade with the Jets
The Jets were willing to trade with the Texans which theoretically means that they could have gotten a top left tackle and a top center as opposed to over-paying an athletic, but lazy defensive end.
by Bob LaBlog on Apr 18, 2007 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
You should really think about changing your signature when you are disparaging what VY accomplished last year.
Obviously you are a Texans fan first and then a UT fan second, but the last time I checked VY won rookie of the year.
In a year that no one really expected him to even play, he won eight games as a starter, including six straight, four of which were fourth quarter comebacks.
But keep on addressing those needs.
by Wells on Apr 18, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disparaging VY?
Not really. I stated what happened. Vince's team didn't make the playoffs, and they will be even worse next year because of the players they lost. VY won offensive ROY? Awesome! Good for him. Texans' DeMeco Ryans won defensive ROY? Awesome! Good for him. But his team missed the playoffs also. Yes, the Texans need to address some needs. Most teams that miss the playoffs need to do those sort of things. Titans need to address some needs too.
BTW, I saw VY and KD both in Gregory last week. Pittman and Sweed were there also. VY has some nice moves, but his jumper was off. To see two UT legends on the same basketball court was surreal.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 18, 2007 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just take a sample of your comments
Then we'll agree to disagree.
VY a legend? A college legend you mean. Last time I checked, he couldn't lead his team to the playoffs.
Yes. A college legend. By the way, he's the only Rookie QB in NFL history to play in the Pro Bowl. His legend is growing. And last I checked, Mario didn't exactly get his team to the playoffs either. In fact, he wasn't even close to the best defensive player on his team.
Mario Williams is a beast.
So, what you're saying is that he's in hibernation? Why did he not win Defensive ROY? Oh that's right, someone from a lower pick did. Kudos to DeMeco Ryan. He is a beast. But to my point from above, you can get better talent at a lower point in the draft.
You clearly know nothing about the Texans, so why are you talking about them then? If we drafted him, he'd get sacked ALL THE TIME. He's mobile, but he'd still get creamed enough times like Carr did.
Carr may not be an elite QB, but he was not a major weakness that needed to be addressed.
If that's true, why did the Texans release him? Maybe you haven't seen Carr play? He's not exactly mobile. I've seen VY escape from what was a sure tackle (and I'm referring to the NFL plays, not college). "All the time"?
Because I don't know the Texans players, I'll not disparage the Offensive line or their willingness to block for David Carr, but it was quite obvious in TN that VY did have that effect on his OL.
That "circus" that is the Houston Texans have a better chance at making the playoffs than that team that VY's on.
So, where were the Texans last year on week 17? Were they playing for a playoff spot? No, that was TN. And every fan base believes their team can make the playoffs before camps start. I'll admit that the Titans are not having a good off season. But, arguing whether or not the Texans, Titans, or both make the playoffs next year, will lead to nothing. There are no facts to support either arguement, so I'll defer on that one.
by GoHorns on Apr 19, 2007 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing I forgot to address...
You said "Mario is a beast" then go on to say this:
"Mario's rookie status was disappointing".
I'm assuming that you meant to type Stats, but if I'm referring to VY's legendary status as a college player, what are you referring to when saying that Mario is a beast? It certainly can't be his NFL career.
by GoHorns on Apr 19, 2007 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario...
"Beast" is an adjective that sticks with a player. It's based on natural abilities and physique. VY is a beast. "Disappointing" is how I described Mario's rookie year, as in 1 YEAR. The injury prevented him from further development and experience. The injury was the disappointment.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 19, 2007 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VY won ROY... WEEEEE!!!
VY's legend will grow when he helps his team get to the playoffs and win some playoff games. Only a Super Bowl victory could possibly top what he did vs USC in 2005. And what does this particular convo about VY have to do with Mario?
Are you listening? Mario suffered a pretty bad injury last year. How do you expect him to produce playing on one foot? You don't have to look at the performance last year on the field to be able to label a player "beast". People have been using that name with Mario since he was at NC State. Again, he's not going to be able to show his beastiness with plantar faciitis. Why can't you get that through your head? So if DeMeco gets hurt next year and doesn't play as well, he's suddenly not a beast anymore?
After acquiring Matt Schaub, it was obvious that we were going to get rid of Carr. We did the honorable thing in releasing him so he could choose what team he'd want to play for. Wow, you really haven't watched Carr play. He is pretty mobile actually. He has consistently been ranked high in rushing yards for QB's. If it weren't for his mobility, his sack numbers would be even worse.
Haha... of course Horn fans think VY is invinceable. If the Texans drafted him, y'all would be immediately reminded that he is indeed human. He would get sacked A LOT. Our OL is that bad. It's down right terrible.
Again, I'm talking about next year. We'll make the playoffs and the Titans won't. What does that have to do with what happened on Week 17 last season? I can't prove that the Texans will make it, but I have facts to show that they will be better than last year, and that the Titans will be worse than they were last year. For the Texans, Mario is healthy now, Schaub is a competent QB who is arguably better than Carr, and we'll get another great player from the draft. We also got deeper at RB by signing Green. Meanwhile, Titans lost their best RB.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 19, 2007 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! Where to start?
First, my head is just fine, thanks for asking. You first say that I know nothing about the Texans, then expect me to know what random condition players are affected by? Did you know that I, too, suffer from platar faciitis? Let me give you a little insight: it doesn't typically go away. Especially for athletes. They are on their feet and training constantly. So to say that he's closer to the HOF than being a bust is an arrogant and ignorant statement.
I'll tip my hand: I don't care about the NFL or their teams. I care about Longhorns. Vince was the better pick and the Texans screwed it up. End of discussion. If you choose to be stubborn and not recognize that, well then, nothing else can be said. That is the crux of this discussion. Not whether or not the Texans will be better than the Titans next year. Because frankly, I don't really care who is better.
by GoHorns on Apr 20, 2007 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Platar Facitis
I had that as well. I actually tore the tendon so bad that I felt it hit the sole of my shoe. I have very flat arches and it put stress on the tendons. I got some good inserts for my shoes and now have almost no symptoms. I don't know if you still have a problem or if it could be helped as mine was, but you could give it a try.
by Wells on Apr 20, 2007 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the opposite
My Dr. says that I've got the highest arches he's ever seen. So the arch supports only go so far to support my foot. Oh well. But thanks for the info, I still really need to get some inserts.
by GoHorns on Apr 20, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know where you are
but I have a good doctor here in the DC area if you what a reference. He specializes in
Also if you are in Austin, I heard that there is a guy at the runtex on riverside and barton springs that makes inserts.
by Wells on Apr 20, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're calling my claims arrogant and ignorant...
when you go on to say that the Texans screwed up by not drafting VY... How can you say that? Please wait for VY's team to consistently make the playoffs and win Super Bowls before you start spewing out BS about Texans screwing up in the draft. Not only do the Titans have to have success, the Texans have to hover around mediocrity for the draft to be disastrous for Houston. You say you don't care who will be better next year, but doesn't that kind of matter if you're going to make statements like "the Texans screwed up"? Mario and DeMeco are going to be the leaders of the Texans defense for years to come.
Time is going to tell us if the Texans really messed up. End of discussion.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 20, 2007 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmmmmmmmmm..........
GoingfortheCorner must also believe that the Iraq war has been a surpreme success. Did Gary Kubiak himself post those comments? DEEELLLUUUSIONAL!!!
by burntup on Apr 18, 2007 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Texans progressing, Titans are going backwards
Did you expect the Texans to make the playoffs the year after going 2-14? I'll take 6-10 and tripling the win total as an improvement. It's called progress.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 18, 2007 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merrill is that you?
Your fuzzy math does not add up. "The Titans are going backwards." Quantify this statement...
Last time I checked, the Titans went from 4-12 before Vince to 8-8 with Vince (actually 8-5 if we only count the games he started.)
No one expected the Titans to have a shot at the playoffs after going 4-12, but they did. Vince put them in that position.
by SuperHorn on Apr 19, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuzzy math?
Why are you talking about what happened between 2 years ago and last year? I'm talking about what happened in between last year and next year, as in the offseason. You can't possibly tell me that the Titans will be better than they were last year given the players they lost.
I know Horn fans want to give VY ALL the credit for the Titans success and none to the other contributors like Henry and Pac-Man. Oh, speaking of those last 2 players I mentioned... THEY'RE GONE. That's why they're going backwards. Makes sense now huh?
by goingforthecorner on Apr 19, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second...
Did you expect the Texans to make the playoffs the year after going 2-14? I'll take 6-10 and tripling the win total as an improvement. It's called progress.
I'm talking about two years ago because that's what you were talking about. Unless, as you indicated, you are talking about tripling the win total from last season which would put the Texans at 18-(-2) next year.
And, if history has taught us anything, it is that no one knows how a given season will play out. There is no way for any of us to predict this. You're making gross assumptions about the Texans progress/upcoming season when they haven't had a winning season in their entire history.
You keep on pimping this "tripling our win total" idea, but are completely discounting the fact that the Titan's went 8-8 last year. Also, it isn't especially hard to triple a win total when you only win two games.
Even if we are only talking about the offseason, it isn't over. The Titans have a ton of cap room (though I will admit I wish they would have used some of it) and 10 picks in this years draft (the Texans only have 6.) Granted, Pacman and Henry will be missed, but that does not automatically put the Titans in the gutter. We just signed Nick Harper and while he is no Pacman Jones, he is certainly a capable corner. Have you already written off Lendale White? There are also talks of a trade with the Cowboys for Julius Jones. It is early.
I can appreciate your blind loyalty, but the reality is that you, Mario, and all Texans fans are going to have to face the consequences of passing on Vince Young for the next decade.
by SuperHorn on Apr 20, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like GoHorns...
You seem so sure that the Texans screwed up. For that to happen, not only does Mario have to be a bust, but VY has to put up monster numbers and lead his team to the playoffs.
No, history has taught us that every year, there are going to be surprise teams... teams that have better records than they normally would, and teams that disappoint. Still, those are exceptions to the rules. Generally, you can accurately predict how teams will do. Texans fans with realistic expectations (like me) predicted that we would go about 6-10 last year, and that's exactly what happened.
It's funny to me that you're referring to the Titans as "we". I'm guessing you'll refer to the Celtics as "we" once they're given... errr... awarded the 1st pick by total luck. You better hope your team makes some moves, because right now, your team's not looking like a playoff team.
Blind loyalty? Look at yourself... clearly with blind loyalty towards VY. I mean, you're already sold that we screwed up by not taking Vince. Sure VY's off to a great start with the OROY, but we'll see how he does next year with what appears to be a less talented squad to help him.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 20, 2007 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a Houstonian
And a huge Texans fan and GoingfortheCorner is just way off base. Mario Williams was a good pick, but a TERRIBLE 1st PICK! You have to either trade down or take Reggie Bush or VY. Could have gotten Mario at 4-6 if you traded down, and could have addressed "Needs" with other draft picks and Free Agency. When you have the number 1 pick, you have to make it count. Classifying that pick as anything other than a disappointment is just stupid.
And passing on VY was proven to be a mistake. The justification for it was that Carr was the QB of the future and therefore a QB was not what they wanted with the #1 Pick.... and the very next year we RELEASED Carr!!! Talk about admitting your mistakes!
As for the playoffs... Anyone with an NFL IQ of over 3.5, when ranking NFL teams will put the Texans in the bottom 10, FAR from a Playoff hopeful team. Just completely bad commentary all-around GFTC.
by SwimTexas on Apr 19, 2007 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Terrible 1st pick?
You're sold after 1 year that it was a terrible first pick? We'll see about that SwimTexas. I beg to differ. He has a better chance at the HOF than being a bust IMO. Ever thought about the idea that we tried to trade down? Maybe they just didn't get a trade worked out. You can't just say something like we didn't even think about the possibility that we could've gotten Mario at 4 or something like that.
Again, we got rid of Carr AFTER getting Schaub. Maybe Carr is still the QB if we couldn't get a QB.
Texans at the bottom 10? Are you sure you're a huge Texans fan? We tripled our win total from the year before, and we're only going to be better with Schaub, a healthy Mario, Ahman Green, the draft picks, other FA signings, etc. Unlike the Titans, we're gaining players and moving in a positive direction. I see us going at least 8-8 with at least an outside chance of making the playoffs.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 19, 2007 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
You get an unproven and not terribly impressive quarterback, although he is big and he has a strong arm, and you get an always injured 30 year old running back. That's not unquestionably moving forward. I bet there would be a better running back value in the draft than Green. Nobody knows what Schaub is. He seems like a Drunkenmiller to me.
I don't know that there is a player in the league who after one season is more likely to end up in the HOF than as a bust. It's really hard, nearly impossible, to get into the hall of fame. Busts, on the other hand, are pretty frequent. Odds are that half of the first round picks will end up being considered busts and maybe one or two will make it to the hall of fame. Last year's draft class was one of the best ever, so it might do slightly better than average.
by Bob LaBlog on Apr 20, 2007 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that Mario is going to be good...
He has a better shot at the HOF than being a total failure. If I said Mario's making the HOF, I meant that he's more likely to be that good than that bad. When he was healthy, he was showing great signs. People will say he didn't get many sacks or whatever, but he was doubled a lot by the opposing team.
Schaub may be unproven according to you, but the Texans must be optimistic about him getting the job done if we're going to give him that much money and hand out that many draft picks to Atlanta. He's big, he's mobile, and also he has an over the top throwing motion. Carr had many balls batted down because of his motion. Schaub played well when he had the opportunity.
Many Falcon fans' reaction to that trade was that we stole Matt Schaub. Yeah, yeah... fans' reaction doesn't mean anything, but it makes me optimistic that he's the real deal, seeing that fans who watched him play on a consistent basis said that. Rick Smith knows what he's doing. Thank God he's the GM. Charlie Casserly ran our franchise into the ground.
by goingforthecorner on Apr 20, 2007 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario Williams = not Beast
In all of this recent debate I have discovered apparently that there is a true demand for a Blog dedicated to plantar fasciitis (correct spelling) sufferers. In my first post we will conjugate "plantar." Planto. Plantas. Planta. Plantamos. (In Spain...Plantais). And Plantan.
Also, to add my 24 cents (in no particular order):
1-I wish the Texans were good. They are not.
2-I wish the Texans will one day be good. They won't be any time soon.
3-Oh, and...In my mind "good" merely means winning record. I don't even insist on playoffs.
4-Texans could have quadrupled their win total if they did not lose to the Titans twice.
5-Once a BEAST, not always a BEAST. See: Shaq, Griffey, and any NFL player over 33.
6-We used to care that Grant Hill drank Sprite. He is no longer a beast, thus we do not know what he drinks.
7-Even worse for Mario...players who have never been a beast, nor are currently a beast, fail to receive consideration by Vegas odds makers for future Beast status.
8-Williams' final year at NC State he forced 1 fumble.
9-Williams' final year at NC State he motivated his team to a 7-5 record.
10-Williams' final year at NC State he had 4.0 sacks versus teams that finished with winning records. (3.5 of the 4.0 came against Southern Miss.)
11-All that PLUS a lame duck GM (Charlie Casserly) drafting you #1 does not equal BEAST.
12-Titans will not make the playoffs in 2007.
13-Texans will not make the playoffs in 2007.
14-To argue one team will have a better losing record than the other is pointless.
15-Just for good measure...Titans will have the superior losing record, but it's really not fair because the Texans don't get to play themselves twice.
16-By the end of 2007, Vince will still have a winning record against Houston.
17-Texans will be better than last year. That does not mean (A) they will be good or even (B) have a better record.
18-Never cite your source as being "IMO"
19-Carr was not released because it was the honorable thing. Carr was cut because any leverage Houston had in making a trade before the cut deadline vanquished once Schaub was acquired.
20-Swapping for a lower 1st round pick and losing two high second round picks to acquire a very good back-up QB is not a "steal."
21-The Texans did not just waste a first round pick on Mario.
22-The Texans in hindsight wasted the two first rounders, two second rounders, plus any first day pick they would have gotten for Carr.
23-Bob McNair is more to blame than Casserly for taking Mario #1. Casserly was just kept long enough to take the blame.
24-I like to win in Fantasy Football. Therefore, while rooting for the Titans and Texans, I will not be drafting any of their players. My league doesn't award points for Beast status.
by Lincoln on Apr 23, 2007 2:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lincoln said it better than I could.
"Super Mario" was a workout wonder, who benefitted from physical comparisons to another DE playing in Carolina (albeit in Charlotte, and who is by definition a beast) - Julius Peppers. "Super Mario" was the second best DE at NC state durring his Sr. year. He benefited from being a physical freak (not the same as a "beast") who had a great workout.
"Super Mario" will be a decent DE, but his production will never justify the first overall pick in the draft. He won't be a Ryan Leaf type bust, but he won't ever be the dominant end that McNair expected.
by Brandon 97 on Apr 23, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What color is the sky in your world?
First of all, you said "Schaub may be unproven according to you, but the Texans must be optimistic about him getting the job done if we're going to give him that much money..." Delete Schaub from this sentence and insert "Carr" and you have the Texan's position 10 months ago after giving Carr the big roster bonus. If you're seriously talking about the Texans making the playoffs in the AFC, you must be smoking some good stuff
What exactly has Mario Williams doen that would convice you that he was a better pick than Vince or Bush? You can hope all you want, but the Texans had the chance at 2 transcendant players and passed on both, probably because one of them wanted too much money.
Williams may turn out to be a good player, but he's no Julius Peppers, which is what he'd have to be to make that pick make sense.
The best predictor of future performance is past performance. Vince has won at every level and made his team better, all while improving his game from year to year. Bush has been electric ) and at times dominant) at every level. Williams in college would disappear for entire games and was often outplayed by his teammate Lawson (I know this because I'm stuck in ACC country and got to see NC State play more times than I'd like)
by SaintBevo on Apr 23, 2007 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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