The Case for HornsChamps
I’m glad PB isn’t going to ban HornsChamps. There, I said it. I know he can be a curmudgeonly type who talks down to everyone else and has an irrational hatred for everything and everyone associated with Mack Brown, but... this is America, and everyone is entitled to a defense, and I think HornsChamps has a good one.

There have only been two non-spammers banned from this blog - both for good reason. Dhab was banned because he made racist and derogatory comments and created an atmosphere on the blog that was detrimental to the community. As far as I know, HornsChamps has only been derogatory towards the young and those who do not hold season tickets. That’s fundamentally different from inciting a riot because you hate minorities or gay people. HornChamps may be disagreeable, but he’s not offensive. Big difference.
Moreover, if you find his positions unpalatable, just ignore his argument and don’t reply to him. I don’t get the impression that he’s actively seeking to attack people.
Brazos was banned because he also was inclined to make derogatory statements and because he intentionally tried to bring down the community by attacking everyone with inane arguments just to provoke a fight. By contrast, HornsChamps seems to truly believe that Mack is a bad coach and our scheduling is the worst thing to happen to Texas football since Mackovic’s post-concussion season. HornsChamps is not trying to hurt the blog - he just wants to get his point across.
I know that most of you are growing weary of HornsChamps demeaning nature, but like the comic book guy in The Simpsons, that’s just who he is, and although I’m pleased to see he’s trying to tone it down, it’s also just something that we are going to have to accept.
I know that most of you are probably sick of seeing the same list of Mack’s scheduling at NC and what appears to most of us to be an irrational hatred and negativity towards UT football, but the great thing about this blog is that you don’t have to read every comment. Just skip over his comments.
In the end, we can choose to sit in our ivory tower and only let in the thinkers who we get along with in, or we can have this blog community represent the entire UT fan base. HornsChamps is like the old guy who was sitting behind you at the OU game last year at half time when we were down 10 to 7, bitching about how horrible our offense is, how Mack and GD should be fired before the game is over because he could call a better game, and how the season was a failure already. Yeah, he pissed you off, but you know when Shipley caught the TD from Colt in the third quarter you still gave him a high five, even if you had that told you so grin when you did it. HornsChamps is the voice of a fan we may not always agree with, and if we want to represent the Longhorn community as a whole, then he should stay.
In the end, I want voices of dissent to be a part of the conversation on this blog. I’m glad that PB is urging HornChamps to frame his arguments in a more tactful manner, and if he can’t find a way to make counter-points without being condescending, then maybe it’s time to rethink things. But I say HornChamps gets every opportunity to play the devil’s advocate on the points he’s passionate about. So long as he can do it respectfully and without cutting and pasting the same points for every thread, then he can be a positive addition to this community.
Besides, it is not like he dismissed one of our most rational, prolific and insightful commenter and contributor’s playoff idea with an off the cuff remark with out even listening to the idea, or told the funniest commenter and contributor, who is probably main reason that people come back to this blog (beside PB and AW’s posts) that he was just not funny anymore.
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HornsChamps gives good insight into basketball that will be missed if he is banned.
by Wells on
Jun 15, 2007 11:57 AM CDT
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Was there actually serious consideration for banning him? Rolling out the same argument on the same topic isn't too egregious.
And don't be so hard on yourself Wells, those were two classic moments in BON history.
by Jason Mayer on
Jun 15, 2007 12:04 PM CDT
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Just a warning
I urged HornChamps to make his arguments in a more tactful manner, and to do so without cutting and pasting the same stat in separate threads. That doesn't do much more than just incite people.
The dissenting voice is more than welcome here, so long as it's not in a way that pisses off readers to the point where the vibe of the site turns negative. That's on the short list of things I'll protect fiercely. Fair or not.
by PB @ BON on
Jun 15, 2007 12:08 PM CDT
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Oh, and also
I agree with roughly half of HornChamps' points. And agree with Wells' note about hoops.
He can be a great contributor to the community, so long as we work on communicating with each other a little better.
by PB @ BON on
Jun 15, 2007 12:10 PM CDT
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This is why I love you guys
I don't get over here nearly as often as I'd like (well, at least not to post), but I love this environment.
You guys run one helluva site PB, and thanks for always being open to other's ideas.
Cheers, and goodluck with the offseason.
by USCLink on
Jun 15, 2007 1:37 PM CDT
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Appreciate your effort
HornsChamps is like the old guy who was sitting behind you at the OU game last year at half time when we were down 10 to 7, bitching about how horrible our offense is, how Mack and GD should be fired before the game is over because he could call a better game, and how the season was a failure already.
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How ironic. At our watch party down at Port Aransas, it was this guy telling everyone at halftime that we had no reason to worry until we had completed our 2nd possession of the the 2nd half. Everyone was in a panic and I was the one talking calm. We needed to see how our adjustments would impact the game.
Sure enough Chizik's defense held OU to a 3'n out.
We scored 7 in just 3 plays.
After gaining something like 35 yards, OU was forced to punt again.
Our Longhorns went on an 80-yard drive to score another 7 points and the game was all but over.
OU then turned the ball over another 4 times (one returned by Ross for a TD) and the game was indeed over.
I'm sorry Wells, while you claim to "know" how I think, you aren't even close. I DO appreciate your showing a degree of tolerance. Let's hope DeLoss will pick up the phone and tell USC we want that home/home they are shopping. It would be great for college football!
by HornChamps on
Jun 15, 2007 2:27 PM CDT
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I may not have my facts right
but I still think the simile works.
Just to be clear, I am all for better scheduling, and would love to see a rematch with USC, I just don't hate the coaching staff and AD if it does not happen.
by Wells on
Jun 15, 2007 3:43 PM CDT
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If that Happens
I'm there.
Count on it!
by Paragon SC on
Jun 15, 2007 3:31 PM CDT
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Both are Correct
As a new contributor who has no understanding of the history of BON, let me say that I enjoy the spirited exchanges. I think both HC and BZ are right most of the time. I want to see Texas play somebody better than North Texas and UL-Lafayette, but not TOO MUCH BETTER!!! I don't like getting beat, period.
So, that leaves a lot of room in the middle. If we can't play USC, let's play Minnesota. At least the Gophers look like the Trojans. Let's play Illinois, Army, and Arizona State. We should also have a real local rival in another conference like we used to have with OU (maybe LSU or Ol'Miss?).
One reason we end up playing nearby smaller schools is that those schools want to get some money and don't want to spend it all on travel. That's why ArkState will play us, but Toledo won't.
Some folks think that keeping the money within the borders of Texas is a good thing. We are seeing Tech playing TCU and UTEP and the Big12 South teams playing more games locally because they already have to travel to Nebraska and Colorado ($). Texas is where we recruit and we should play in-state as much as possible (can you say Cougar High?).
The real problem IMHO is that the conference is too big. We already have 8 automatic games. In an 8-team league we would have one more OOC game. All teams in a league should play each other EVERY YEAR. The Big12 amounts to two conferences with an automatic bowl tie-in (the championship game).
So, a top-level team like Texas or OU, who have a reasonable expectation of playing yet another really good team at the end of the season, don't want to schedule a really good team at the beginning of it.
To me, money, logistics, and politics have had a bigger effect on the strength of schedule than anything else.
by Arby A on
Jun 15, 2007 8:09 PM CDT
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RE: OOC Rival
It would have to be Arkansas. Period.
We have all greatly missed that spirited rivalry since the departure of the SWC....with the excepion of the Home&Home a few years ago.
by Shake on
Jun 16, 2007 11:05 PM CDT
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A Q for the man himself
I have no problem with opposing issues. If everyone had the same opinion, this would be a shitty blog.
However, I dont remember hornchamps ever bringing anything positive to the table. Maybe around basketball season. I have no doubt that he's a passionate longhorn fan, I just want to know why.
Why do you support a program financially if it makes you so sick? What joy do you get out of it? Or are you one of those guys who isnt happy unless he's complaining about something?
And trust me, Texas has got its fair share of the latter. So maybe that's just it. Help us understand why it seems you're so upset with the athletic department.
by the other Andrew on
Jun 16, 2007 11:49 AM CDT
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Can we all take a chill pill?
I too support and encourage comments and viewpoints from all sides; as several BONers noted, that's what keeps it interesting and informative. I have a bit of a problem with railing someone for being not "positive." Often the dissenting view, a minority view, turns out to be the prescient or transforming one. Peter, don't ban anyone unless they utter hateful or bigoted remarks and then you should have no mercy. So do unto others and rock on, 54b, HC, bz, Wells et al. One last thing: I don't know what the point is about financial donors and season ticket holders. I fall into both categories for a long time and my decision to donate and/or buy tickets is unaffected by who we're playing or whether I agree with every play that's called. I suffered through Weltlich and McWilliams and I exalted with Darrell, Fred, Mack and Rick.
by Horntod on
Jun 16, 2007 12:07 PM CDT
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The point about being a donor
is that there's a monitary amount to show support for the program. This is different from measuring fanaticism, which cant really be measured.
If Mack resigned and we got a wet blanket for a coach, who turned the program into a yearly 4-8 pile of poo, do you think people would keep sending in their massive donations for luxury suites?
Interest would wain, and a lot of people would not renew their season tickets. People on this blog would, but a lot wouldnt. That's just the nature of the business.
by the other Andrew on
Jun 16, 2007 12:30 PM CDT
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No question
that ticket sales are affected when teams' prospects are slumping; it wasn't all that long ago that Longhorn season tickets could be had. All I'm saying is I'm not now and never have been part of that mindset, that my loyalty and support, financial and otherwise, was contingent on certain parameters. Bye for now.
by Horntod on
Jun 16, 2007 4:06 PM CDT
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slippery slope
You can't ban everyone who is prickly. I say racism, bigotry, spamming and irrational hate on a regular basis should be the only grounds for banishment. It's a blog and a forum for disagreement. I say let it fly, as long as it isn't something you wouldn't say over a few beers and a game of football. I think the people who need to be banished show themselves pretty quickly and it is a clean, decisive decapitation by the BONation that won't even merit much debate or second thought from the community.
by kicker on
Jun 18, 2007 6:18 PM CDT
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I can't stand the guy
But there's no need to ban him. I just choose to not read his entries. At least he's not DHab or Brazos.
by GoHorns on
Jun 19, 2007 7:15 AM CDT
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