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Honestly, there's not any Texas news, so we'll skip the Morning Coffee today. Instead, a post inspired by yesterday's promisory throwdown.

Yesterday's post was more or less a note about how I promise to be a more productive member of the general college blogosphere. That's good and well - biscuits for me and what not - but unlike Orson, I devote the lion's share of my attention to one team.

So what about Texas? It occurred to me that we ought to have a conversation on this site about how we intend to talk about the Longhorns this fall. Which bad habits do we intend to ditch? In what ways will we talk about the 2007 season in more productive fashion than we did the previous one?

Those are the questions. Here are five proposals to start the conversation:

1. I will not take Texas A&M for granted. This is a tricky one, because I do take for granted that a large swath of A&M fans will make for easy pickings this fall. But if we're just talking the game on the gridiron, then we really ought view A&M as a serious football team in 2007.

Here's why. The Aggies have what is arguably the best offensive line in the conference, Lane/Goodson is an exceptional backfield combination, and Stephen McGee is better than we credit him. Martellus Bennett may be a tool, but he's a talented tool.

If you're asking me, Texas A&M doesn't have the defense, coaching, or schedule to win the Big 12 this year, but they have enough to beat the Longhorns in November in College Station. The bottom line: it's not a gimme. I'm adjusting my mindset to take this game seriously.

2. I will do a better job of making separate my criticisms of coaches and my support of the players. It's easy to be critical of the team we follow most closely, and goodness knows there's always room for improvement.

While I'll never shy away from being appropriately critical of the team's weaknesses, I vow to do a better job of showing my support for the kids who are out there doing this stuff. We all want conference and national titles, and we all want to point out what went wrong when they don't come to pass... but I need to do a better job of noting my unadulterated support for the kids out there, win or lose.

I like to think I do a good job of this already, but there's room to improve. Without question.

3. I will qualify my criticisms of the coaches. This year, we should hold ourselves to the same high standards we hold our coaches. There's ample room for criticism, but the more specific and qualified we can be with our critiques, the better. If you think Greg Davis sucks, be prepared to prove it. If you think Greg Davis is great... prove it.

4. I will re-invest in the value of conference championships. You know, these things are relative. When you're in the midst of a 30+ year national title drought, a conference championship seems like a consolation prize.

It does.

Fortunately, we're not, and we ought to turn our eyes toward the conference title prize first and foremost. We can lustily eye that bigger prize as it becomes a possibility, but I know that I, for one, need to do a better job of focusing my attention on that accomplishment. This ties into #2, as well. Conference championships are something these kids will relish for a lifetime. It's high time that we fans cherish that goal as well.

5. I will be a fan who other college football fans - even rivals - can admire. We spend a lot of time on this site railing on the ridiculousness of others. Appropriately so, I'd say.

With that in mind, I need to work harder to root for my team in a way that leaves little opportunity for rival fanbases to ridicule me.

To wit: I will not be excessively defensive. I will acknowledge greatness in others. I will welcome dissenting opinions.  (Note: I'm mostly thinking of when Texas loses here. If we lose, I'll try not to do be a disgraceful sore loser. When we win... duck. I fully intend to celebrate wins like the raving lunatic that I am.)

And there's your five to get us started. Fill in the blanks... How can we be better Texas football fans in 2007?

--PB--

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I have a dear friend who's a diehard texas fan, and he's one of the best fans I know, b/c he is unapologetically objective about texas. He isn't a blind fan who just spouts the party line, he looks at the team with a critical eye and doesn't pull any punches.
While the media and texas fanbase was going gaga over Colt McCoy, he and I were still watching to see something special from him (he was impressed after the Nebraska win, I thought he might be something after I watched him carry y'all to the win over Tech in Lubbock, although I'm back on the fence after K-State/A&M).
He'll flatout tell you the texas linebackers were mediocre to terrible last season, the offensive line was overrated, and the secondary was horrible.
He's also quick to praise players on other teams, even rivals. He thought Adrian Peterson was a little overrated by the media, but acknowledged his talent. He raves about Michael Goodson more than I do (I remember what Fran did with Derek Farmer & Courtney Lewis; I don't wanna jinx Goodson).
In short, he is a fan of college football who doesn't let his allegiance to one school overshadow his appreciation for the other great players in the game. He's objective, and it shows.
If you want to be a better fan, just try to be more objective. Saying a player at another school is great doesn't lessen your program or a player on your team.

Oh, and if you really want to be a fan other fanbases can admire, police your own. If you see a dumbshit giving a 'heil hitler' salute during a football game as the Aggie Band walks onto the field, cheerfully inform him if he doesn't put his arm down, you will break it. There is no place for that in college football, and there is no reason one fan should embarrass your whole fanbase. (BTW, I saw plenty examples of this in '98 when I was in Austin, didn't see any in '04, so good job to those of you who stepped up and told people to quit that crap; I don't think it still goes on, I was just using it as an example of unacceptable behavior.)

I wish there was some way to eliminate the interaction drunken fans have with opposing fans before, during, and after games, b/c that is where you have your most problems, but I don't know how you'd do that, short of taking alcohol away from tailgating, and that isn't going to happen (or an acceptable solution).

by Beergut on Jun 19, 2007 3:26 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm going to disagree with you

that the definition of "best fan" is the most unapologetically objective.  no one likes drunk assholes at games, but there's nothing wrong with crazy, illogical passion for your team, at least while a game is going on.  i'm one of the most objective people you're going to meet, but i'm also an unapologetic homer when it comes to the games themselves.  you don't have to be objective and stoic at all times. that's not being a good fan.  i'm not sure that's being a fan at all.

by billyzane on Jun 19, 2007 8:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in total agreement

there's no place for lukewarm objectivism in the stands at Kyle Field or DKR. Passion is what drives both the players and the fans.

Yet, come monday morning, after the thrill of victory or the sting of defeat has subsided, there IS a place for a cold dispassionate analysis of one's team.

I guess you could say that the "ideal fan" leads a rather bi-polar unstable life in the fall.

Gig'em

by the12thManchild on Jun 19, 2007 5:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry if i wasn't clear about that

I meant after the game is over.

During the game, I am the biggest homer you will ever find (although if you're ripping on Fran, you won't hear a peep from me). Fell free to go crazy during pregame tailgating, and during the game, part of being a fan is being a fanatic, after all.
I'm just saying outside the confines of the game, after it is over, be objective when praising your team.
Nothing is more ordinary than a fan who can't see past their own team when discussing college football, and quite frankly, it's boring.
Passion is great; it is why we all love this game.

However, when you're breaking downa  win or loss in the postgame, use some objectivity. I don't wanna hear about how the refs screwed you, player N was injured, the grass was too long, the players were overlooking the other team, et al, after a loss, and I don't wanna hear about how every player on your team deserves to be an All-American after a win.
That's all I'm saying.

by Beergut on Jun 20, 2007 2:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mccoy

Early on, I was just as skeptical about McCoy, too.  But I don't know why K-State/A&M would put you back on the fence.  He got knocked out of the K-State game after an impressive opening drive, and was clearly hurt during the A&M game.  To look at what he did over the course of the entire season as a RS freshman is nothing short of impressive.

And rivalries are rivalries.  Fans are going to act like dumbshits all the time, and most of it is harmless (even the "heil hitler" thing).  If you can't handle crap like that with a grain of salt and a sense of humor, then you should probably stop attending rivalry games.

by Jason Mayer on Jun 19, 2007 9:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry

but you're never going to get me to believe that people who do the 'heil hitler' thing are anything but ignorant dumbshits who deserve heaps of scorn and derision rained down on them.

Here is a simple litmus test: Would your parents be proud of you after seeing a picture of you doing the 'sig heil' on the front page of the local newspaper?
If the answer is 'no', don't do it.

If you don't understand why seeing someone doing the 'sig heil' is offensive (forget the military background of A&M, I'm talking about common decency here), you really need to do some research into the Third Reich.

I don't have a problem handling rivalries, but that behavior just crosses the line. If you can't see that, you need to re-evaluate how you view rivalries.

by Beergut on Jun 20, 2007 3:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks

Third Reich?  What's that?  I guess it's on to research mode.

I can think of plenty of examples of behavior that cross the line of decency and good taste.  Sorry, this isn't one of them.  Just a good, harmless, inoffensive Hitler joke.  Learn to laugh at shit like this and/or shrug it off.  You'll be a happier person.

by Jason Mayer on Jun 20, 2007 8:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So when

do we get to hear the part about "good" Aggie fans ripping into the Aggie fans who physically assault fans of other teams. Be it threatening or actually hitting someone with a saber or throwing shovelfuls of manure on the other team's band, that's much more unacceptable than mocking the Aggie Band's goose-stepping.

As they say, if the jackboot fits, wear it.

So take that.

by Kahuna on Jun 20, 2007 8:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One more
  1.  I will welcome discussion on sports other than the Big 3. In fact, I will make every effort to attend at least one Longhorns sporting event outside of the Big 3 each and ever year.  And I will revel in their successes, commiserate in their defeats, and glory in the amazing display of athletic talent that's regularly on display outside of DKR.
Officially a Limey Longhorn

by patienthornsfan on Jun 19, 2007 4:01 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I second this...

volleyball games at Gregory are really awesome to go watch.

by cliffaudit on Jun 19, 2007 8:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can say what you want...

About being objective, and not taking atm for granted, and noticing faults in our own team as well as greatness in others....NOW.  That is all well and good, but talking the talk now, and actually performing when you have your nose full of that sweet sweet drug that is Longhorn Football in the fall...well...honestly....those are two completely different things.  I'm just saying, it's gonna be hard.

by justin1longhorn on Jun 19, 2007 5:54 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, I know

Here's the thing, though. I know I can be a raving lunatic of a fan FOR Texas, while also recognizing that other teams and players are good, too.

I don't find that to be an impossibility.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Jun 19, 2007 9:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frustrating

I don't know what frustrates me more.  The Fact that BZ always beats me to these comments, or the fact that (Due to my lack of writing skills) he states them much better than I could.

I think that during a game, or even a moment, all "Great fans" get carried away into that "Illogical Passion".  That feeling is why a lot of us love to go to games or watch them.

I think the objectivity and policing our own Beergut mentioned comes into play the next day when we discuss it at our BON water cooler.  That objectivity is why we compliment him and even the SC fans that comment on this site.

But I agree with BZ, being Stoic and disciplining those around me is not really a game experience to me.  At least not the one I want.  I recognize that there are idiots at every school, and some of them get tickets.  I wish I could stop that.... but alas.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

by SwimTexas on Jun 19, 2007 9:53 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

But there is a level that we should not allow our fans to cross.

I will give an example:  At the Ohio St game in Columbus there fans were for the most part fanatical and loud, but good people who knew their football.  But there was a second group there who were out of control.  There was one guy who was wasted before the game, yelling in the face of any Texas fan who walked by in front of the stadium, throwing his empty beer cans at any fan who did not pay attention to him, and this was in front of thousands of fans and a cop, none of who said a thing, except "If you think this is bad, you should be here for the Michigan game."
At the UT OSU game next year, I saw a drunk Texas fan yelling in the face of OSU fans as they walk by to the stadium, the difference was within 30 seconds there were multiple Texas fans who did not know the guy, telling him that is not how we act.

by Wells on Jun 19, 2007 10:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

Being a raving passionate supporter of UT does not mean you have to blindly accept truly offensive fandom. Violence and grossly out-of-line yelling aren't okay.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Jun 19, 2007 10:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As I was strolling through this,

I remembered how impressed I was with the tOSU fans in Austin last year. I had nice exchanges with them before, during and after the game. I usually observe that the Longhorn fans who make asses of themselves simply are trying too hard. They are not assholes; they feel the need to draw attention to themselves and somehow demonstrate their merits as fans. Re Agro: just ignore 'em when they go through their spiels. Also, as I noted on an earlier thread, I don't see the need to alter Texas Fight for anyone.

I never will forget ol' what's-his-name.

by Horntod on Jun 19, 2007 11:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Concede there is a line

of course there is, but his point seemed to me to be not so much about the violent or profane, as much as it was about passionate idiocy.

Cursing and throwing things is a little different.  If a grown man was beating a child I would stop him too.  

I guess what I was commenting on was the generality that the constantly objective, always mild-mannered fan is the "Best" fan.  Taking away the obviously extreme cases, I would disagree.

PS I also do not think we should take A&M for granted this year.  I think they are going to be every bit as good as last year on the offensive side of the ball, and our defense has a lot of question marks.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

by SwimTexas on Jun 19, 2007 11:17 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i never said you had to be mild mannered to be a

good fan

I'm talking about AFTER the game, not during it.

When A&M and texas played in Austin last year, my friend and I only talked at halftime. We're both too passionate about our teams to watch the game together.

I also have never seen the point in gloating about a win; if someone else is a fan, they know the score, you don't need to repeat it to them.

by Beergut on Jun 20, 2007 3:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Dad is an Aggie

Class President, Class of '51. He took me to my first football game. Army beat aTm at Kyle. Ed Hargett was the aggie qb. I forget the score. I think I was 7 or 8.

Ever since I went to UT, he hasn't had anything to say about aTm sports. Nothing. As far as I could say he didn't care a bit. Win or lose, year in and year out, we never talked about UT-aTm games.

Last year he called me on the day after the game. His first words were "Twelve to Seven". Grrrrrrr

I refuse to obey any body else's rules when it comes to being a fan. I get no pleasure from gloating. I know how bad I feel when we lose (I couldn't talk for a week after the Georgia Cotton Bowl) so I sympathize with the defeated.

I try to root for teams from Texas, including aTm, but the agg's attitude and persona make it pretty tough, with their goofy yells and brownshirted cossacks on the sideline. The TTechsters, too. Its almost impossible to root for the sooners, but I try when they play OOC.  I can't resist rooting for Baylor to beat all three of them. I root for UTEP, Houston, TCU, UNT, and SMU whenever I can.

But when it comes to daHorns, I want to bury everybody by 7 touchdowns. No mercy. I don't want it to even be close. The last thing I will ever do is gloat about winning 12 to 7 in a game that turned on a ref's bad call, and involved cheap shots on an already injured qb.

by Arby A on Jun 19, 2007 11:38 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On #3, Criticism of Coaches

Sure, GD has driven me crazy calling so many sideways plays. But, I have to temper my criticism having known several college and HS coaches. It is an incredibly difficult job.

The biggest thing that coaches do at all levels is PREPARE the team. All that work happens on Tuesday, Wednesday, etc.  The actual gametime calls are a completely separate activity. Most of the time the OC is constrained by something known as THE PLAN. Every play isn't in for every game.

We as fans only see the gametime calls. We don't see all the preparing and organizing that goes on during the week. MB and GD do a really excellent job of preparing the team. Last year's two game losing streak was the first time we'd lost back-to-back games since 1999. Even after getting absolutely throttled by OU a couple time, we bounced back with big wins. That is good coaching.

Whenever I start to blame GD for a bad play call, I have to think about his call of a 97 yard TD pass from Major to McGarity that broke OU's back in 1998. The score was 10-3 at the time and he threw from his own endzone. What a call!

by Arby A on Jun 19, 2007 12:28 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A few more?
  1. I will support my conference against all others. We get to rag on the Aggies, because they are Our Aggies. Others do not have that privilege.
  1. I will remain a fan of the sport as well as a fan of my team. Winning is not everything. Good football is played at schools other than Texas.
  1. Though I support my players, I also demand that they give their best and practice good sportsmanship. They represent me and my university.
  1. I recognize that everyone has the right to complain -- about anything. However, I expect that they will do so civilly and understand that others are not obliged to take them seriously.

by Caradoc on Jun 19, 2007 12:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I admire You PB
  1. I will be a fan who other college football fans - even rivals - can admire.

If I had a Longhorn hero it would be you!

by MattH on Jun 19, 2007 3:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one more
  1. No cheap shots about a school.

I don't care who you are, you don't make fun of tragic incidents that have happened in a school's history.
A&M had Bonfire, texas had Charles Whitman, Virginia Tech had their tragedy this past Spring. If you bring them up to downgrade a rival, all you're showing is your inability to discourse intelligently, so you're grabbing for the sucker punch.
That isn't being clever or funny, it's just proving your father should've worn a condom.  

by Beergut on Jun 20, 2007 3:21 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

comedy = tragedy + time

it's a simple formula, really.  i'm going to go ahead and go with woody allen over you, beergut.

by billyzane on Jun 20, 2007 6:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, and this:

That isn't being clever or funny, it's just proving your father should've worn a condom.  

That's pretty much a clear violation of #5, don't you think, buddy?  You probably shouldn't tell someone else they shouldn't have been born.  That's not sporting, is it?

by billyzane on Jun 20, 2007 6:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No more cheap shots...

...I really thought you were gonna call out Kellen Heard there. I really did.

Nothing A&M fans have done has pissed off more than when, immediately after y'alls win in November, with Colt still in the hospital, the "Cart McCoy" yelling started.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Jun 20, 2007 7:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

I don't care who you are, you don't make fun of tragic incidents that have happened

Not knowing the full extent of Colt's injury, it seems rather inappropriate to be calling him out like that...kind of like an Eagles' fan.

Here is a simple litmus test: Would your parents be proud of you...

So what if your parents ARE proud of you for doing (insert inappropriate/hilarious jesture)?  If that's the litmus test, is it ok then?

by BON Addict on Jun 20, 2007 8:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to be fair

wasn't it Michael Bennett's hit that caused McCoy to be taken from the field, not Heard's? Bennett's hit was clean.

I don't see a difference between people cracking "Cart" jokes, and people making fun of Reggie, calling him 'Fetal' after the '04 game.

by Beergut on Jun 21, 2007 2:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because Colt was actually hurt

and took hits trying to win a game.

Reggie rolled up like a little bitch to avoid the blitz and didn't even try to make plays. He's the football version of the Dutch in WWII.

Where was he in 2005 again?
Oh, that's right, nursing an injury on the sidelines.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Jun 21, 2007 8:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a huge difference . . .

. . . between a mass murderer like Whitman and the tragic deaths of students working on the bonfire. The difference is that the bonfire was football related. Throw in the Aggie penchant for doing crazy/dangerous/foolish things. The main reason why the bonfire tragedy is not out of bounds or a cheapshot is because it was deliberate. Nobody forced those kids to risk their lives. Nobody held them at gun point.  I know dozens of Aggies, coworkers, friends, and family. Not one of them defended the building of the huge blazing tower. Most of them went there back when bonfire was just a big fire and not an engineering exercise in pyromania. The bonfire was a tragedy waiting to happen. It went ahead over numerous protests of other more sensible Aggies. Its amazing to me, and is a testament to Aggie engineering skill, that more people haven't died at bonfire.

Bonfire is a suitable subject for derision of the entire school. But, it is definitely NOT FUNNY. I'm sorry if you are offended or think it is a cheapshot. I really am.

by Arby A on Jun 21, 2007 12:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What just occured to me

The simple fact that a blog like this would have an in depth discussion about how to be the best, most respectful, prideful fans we can be... is pretty impressive.

And with all sides so passionate...  this place is just at a higher level than the other sites I visit where people comment.

"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese

by SwimTexas on Jun 20, 2007 9:34 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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