Shiner sighting: NYC edition
by cwofford on Jul 16, 2007 1:10 PM CDT
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All BON fans up in NYC have been overjoyed at the recent influx of quality BBQ joints opening of late, especially the amazingly authentic Hill Country NY. But we've always been missing the key ingredient, until now: Shiner is here.
Thanks to Grub Street for the breaking news.
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wow
this is great news. i wonder how they did it? last i heard, shiner wouldn't export above the mason-dixon. also, is the 'cue at rub any good? i guess after about 10 shiners, it won't really matter.
by bklynBEVO on Jul 16, 2007 1:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, their 'cue is pretty good...
i'd recommend getting the burnt ends.
my top 3 BBQ joints in nyc:
- hill country (flatiron), central texas-style
- fette sau (williamsburg), german/texas-style
- RUB (chelsea), pan-bbq
by cwofford on Jul 16, 2007 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the recommendations.
I've been meaning to check out Hill Country and RUB (especially now with the Shiner), but I hadn't heard about Fette Sau until now, so thanks for the recommendations. For my part, I'd like to recommend Dinosaur BBQ, in the Columbia/SW Harlem area. They have sausage "imported" from Elgin and rib recipes gleaned from the owners' many bike trips through Texas. Also, I just recently ate at Blue Smoke (a more Midwest-style BBQ place), and I highly recommend it as well.
by MorningsideHorns on Jul 17, 2007 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shiner
I will never understand the mass appeal of such a mediocre beer.
by Jason Mayer on Jul 16, 2007 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Taste
I will never understand the mass appeal of degrading other people's tastes in food and beverage.
by Peter Bean on Jul 16, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Some of the greatest memories of my time at UT were when I'd finish a long day of class, head over to the Cactus and sit down with a frosty pint of Shiner. The sun shining low through the slatted windows, a low murmur from the assorted patrons, that eminently tasty beer caressing my taste buds; it was as close to a perfect slice of everyday life that I could have experienced at that point.
Another great point about Shiner? It's a good gateway beer into more "exotic" German styles like "real" bocks and dunkelweizens.
Please don't hate on Texas' best beer.
by Kahuna on Jul 16, 2007 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a true statement...
Shiner was a gateway to other beers of great taste. It is better than the Bud Lights and Miller Lites I was used to. I remember in the 80's when Austin was the only place to get it. Now , whlie here in the land of theives, it is like a trip back home. I have even found a store that carries the other Shiner flavors. It is just a peice if Texas.
by Bevoboy94 on Jul 16, 2007 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a mind is a terrible thing
Kahuna, some of my greatest memories at UT were starting a long day of class over at the Cactus with a frosty pint of Shiner. I think they started serving at about 11 or so. I grew up in Fort Worth before Shiner was available north of Austin. I thought I'd died and gone to heaven when I got to UT and found that sweet nectar. It was about $2.50 a six pack then.
I live in Columbus, Ohio now, and Shiner moved into this market just before the Longhorns came up here in 2005. More good memories.
by horneye on Jul 16, 2007 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seriously insult Texas beer
by calling Shiner Bock the best the state has to offer. Ever tried anything from Live Oak (located right in Austin?)
by Old Tex29 on Jul 16, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's ok if you disagree with me
Because you're wrong.
Seriously though, I haven't lived in Austin in about 8 years so if I have had Live Oak, I don't remember. I was very partial to the St. Arnold beers back in the day.
Microbrews are usually the best beers around, but you can't necessarily find them outside of a specific geographic area. For example, I'm currently very much in favor of The Raven Special Lager which as far as I can tell is only available within a couple states radiating out from Maryland.
Maybe it's better to say that Shiner Bock is the best Texas beer that you can get widely outside of the state.
Or maybe you just don't like the taste of Shiner Bock, in which case I return to my first point.
As the Albanians say, Gazur!
by Kahuna on Jul 17, 2007 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we used a food analogy
Live Oak would be the equivalent of a 4 star restaurant, while Shiner Bock would be the equivalent of a chain restaurant like Olive Garden.
But I suppose there's no accounting for taste. You may prefer the Olive Garden.
by Old Tex29 on Jul 17, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At Olive Garden...
they don't know the meaning of enough. They call it Hospitaliano!
by the other Andrew on Jul 17, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: taste
I will never understand the mass appeal of taking opinions on subjective things such as taste so personally.
by Jason Mayer on Jul 16, 2007 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it is one of the best mid-range cost
beers.
Even a lot of beer connoisseurs and brewers will admit it is a very solid bock w/ a surprising pleasant taste.
It isn't just Texas overhype. The flavor is widely held around the country as a great brew.
by EYESofBEVO on Jul 16, 2007 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good brew magazine rating
http://www.draftmag.com/?q=node/1055
by EYESofBEVO on Jul 16, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never heard of "Draftmag"
but Beeradvocate gives Shiner Bock a 77, which is quite low (the lowest rating on the site is a 60).
by Old Tex29 on Jul 16, 2007 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: beer
Careful. You're liable to upset some people around here.
by Jason Mayer on Jul 16, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares
what anyone else besides you thinks of it? i mean, those ratings are helpful if you're looking for a new beer to try and want suggestions, but we've all had shiner. we know what it tastes like. some of us like it so we drink it. some of us don't like it so we don't drink it. that's that.
there's no such thing as objectively good taste. in fact, the word "taste" has come to mean the exact opposite of objective. as in, everybody's is different. there's no sense in shaming someone else for having different subjective taste than you.
by billyzane on Jul 16, 2007 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
If someone likes the Olive Garden, or Panic! at the Disco, or Corona, or Pat Green, or Deuce Bigalow, then that person is worthy of shame.
There are some objectives when it comes to taste.
by Jason Mayer on Jul 16, 2007 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am completely with you
on the Olive Garden.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 17, 2007 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
general consensus does not equal objectivity
it just means the subjective tastes of more people line up one way than the subjective tastes of others. that's not objective truth.
regardless, no one deserves shame for their taste. maybe they deserve shame for refusing to try new things, but not if, after doing so with an open mind, they still don't like it. as despicable as you and i may think the olive garden is (and you and i seem to have similar taste), we are in no way "better" than someone who likes it. and i would venture to say that most people don't appreciate being condescended to regarding such things.
by billyzane on Jul 17, 2007 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
My problem is with people who claim that Shiner is Texas' best beer.
by Old Tex29 on Jul 17, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the most part though
Texas doesnt make great beer that you can buy in other states.
I think that's why people place Shiner higher than maybe it should be.
by the other Andrew on Jul 17, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last summer,
I noticed that New York had an unhealthy obsession with Corona when they could have been dipping into the far superior XX.
And Shiner is far from mediocre, but even accounting for NY inflation, I still wouldn't pay 6 bucks for a bottle.
by jc25 on Jul 16, 2007 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Years back
At one time Shiner was a cheap beer along with Pearl and Lone Star, even cheaper on tap, by the pitcher or keg. When they sold out the new owners wanted to create a upscale image with other small brewerys starting up around the state.
It was the universal beer of the working man, broke students and poor artists, musicians and anyone else that valued quantity over quality and who would be willing suffer through vicious hangovers because all you needed was $5 bucks and you could buy enough Shiner to get stinking drunk.
by Xerxes on Jul 16, 2007 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still Cheap in Wisconsin
At Mickey's in Madison, Shiner and PBR are the super cheap draft beers.
by Bob LaBlog on Jul 17, 2007 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best news I've had all summer
Shiner in NYC! I've had friends carry six-packs between their legs on the plane from Texas .. now it's right down in Chelsea. My memories have more to do with Scholz' than the Cactus -- please tell me Scholz' is still open?
by NYCHorn on Jul 16, 2007 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure it is
My sister had her rehearsal dinner there over Memorial Day weekend. Always an interesting mix of people at Scholz's...
by Kahuna on Jul 16, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Thanks for the info. My girlfriend will be ecstatic. She hates beer, but I took her down to Austin this year and she ordered Shiner Bock everywhere she went, she liked it more than I did, I think.
The current BBQ craze here is pretty amusing. There have been about 3 or 4 new places that have opened in the last few months with tons of fanfare. I still don't think any of them quite get it right, but what are you gonna do? I might even have been a bit disappointed if you could get the same BBQ as you could in Texas.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 16, 2007 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
allegedly
this new Hill Country place is pretty authentic. the guy who opened it grew up in lockhart and started this restaurant to emulate kreuz market, which is one of my favorites. they even serve blue bell ice cream, which is unheard of up here.
by billyzane on Jul 16, 2007 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife is the same way.
She basically doesn't do beer, but when she does, it's got to be Shiner bock. I'm OK with it, but it's not great by any means. Some years ago, some business associates from Munich came over and they went absolutely berserk over Shiner, saying it was the only beer they had had in the states that approximated their fine local fare.
The best thing about travel is sampling the local brews. We just got back from Big Island; Kona Beer is superb. I brought a guzzler back home.
by Horntod on Jul 19, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ny
thanks for the suggestions on fette sau and dinosaur. been hearing good things on both of those places. also, there's good tex mex at lobo in brooklyn (2 locations- park slope and carroll gardens). They're somehow related to Maudie's in Austin and have queso, lone star, etc.
by bklynBEVO on Jul 17, 2007 7:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
exciting news
Going on vacation in NY soon, and it's good to hear they've got something worth drinking, though I may stay away from the NY BBQ for the better local joints.
Has St Arnolds or Live Oak made it up to NY yet?
by sharkbait101 on Jul 17, 2007 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good thinking
I'm not sure why anyone would come to NY from Texas just to eat BBQ.
My personal opinion is that New York probably does Italian better than anything else, but the city also excels at French and Indian food. It should also be noted that the cheap stuff here is amazing, tons of great places for burgers, dogs, and pizza.
by BrooklynHorn on Jul 17, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a sentimental attachment...
... and I rather like Shiner Bock. It's a very serviceable beer, good for refreshment when grilling in the DC summer heat, etc. There's a time and a place for the good cheap beers in the world - and the net result is the same.
by DC Trojan on Jul 17, 2007 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My cheap beer
is St. Arnold's although I did hesitate the first time b/c it is brewed in Houston and the water here ain't the best quality. :) After a tour of their facilities, I had to try though.
My "I got some money and need a good beer" is Dog Fish Head. Any of them will do but the 120 minute IPA will knock your socks off. I guess for $8.99 a 4 pack it better but you get some great tasting beer and high alcohol content. Only 2 drawbacks, you need a decent glass to drink this in and it is brewed in Delaware. Not for guzzling...unless we are losing to the aggies or something.
It has become my Longhorn game day drink.
by UT2001 on Jul 17, 2007 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dogfish Head
has a number of great brews. If you see it, try their Immort Ale, a barleywine. Three in a row will knock your shoes, socks, and in some cases, pants off. And then you may not remember where you live. My idea of a good evening.
by Kahuna on Jul 17, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Dogfish Head has some fantastic beers. Their IPA is killer.
I'm not a huge fruit guy, but the Aprihop Dogfish is really good. Much better than that Pyramid crap.
3 Floyds makes some good stuff too. I wish I could remember, but I had something on tap from 3 Floyds that I declared outloud the best I've had all summer. Then I followed that with 4-5 more beers and can't recall which it was.
by EYESofBEVO on Jul 17, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shiner in Ohio
I guess After our series with the OSU, Buckeyes had to have the Liquid Taste of Texas. They now sell Shiner at all Giant Eagles( the major grocer up here)
by OhioHorn64 on Jul 19, 2007 7:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i was in chicago this last weekend...
...and saw at least two big 'ole classic yellow shiner adverts on the side of buildings, even though the shiner website says it's not available in the entire state of illinois. plus, none of the bartenders i spoke to knew anything about it. looks like chicago texas-exes are due for a surprise.
Q: ditka vs. the spoetzel brewery?
A: ditka by three in double overtime
by cwofford on Jul 19, 2007 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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