Countdown To Football Season: 34 Days
by Peter Bean on Jul 29, 2007 10:38 PM CDT
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PrintOur daily countdown to the return of Texas football continues with yet another reason to love the fall in Austin.
34 days until football, but, fortunately, much fewer until the kids start practicing with coaches again. There are always in-season incidents across college football, but far fewer than during the summer months when largely unsupervised kids find more trouble.
As for punishment for Kindle, put me in the 3 game suspension camp. There are a lot of crimes worse than a DUI, but it's still extremely stupid. And dangerous. And just because lots of us have been equally stupid and reckless in our own college days doesn't make it unworthy of a strong response. Kindle and Melton both should be out for at least three games.
Man it's gonna be nice when we're talking about live football again, isn't i?
--PB--
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Maybe Mack Brown will...
"There are a lot of crimes worse than a DUI"
Sigh... maybe I have the wrong perspective in this, since I've never drank and thus, never driven under the influence.
It just seems people don't understand the risks of driving under the influence.
PB, what crimes do you think are worse than DUI? There definitely are some, but I'm just wondering why crimes like stealing merchandise (NOT aggravated robbery), making money that you're not earning like Bomar, gambling illegally, and getting caught with drugs seem to be worse based on the punishment the person is getting. Bomar getting kicked off the team for that?
First, I want to see what the punishment is on Melton and Kindle. If the punishment for DUI is less than the punishment for stealing, having illegal drugs, making illegal profits, or gambling, then something is seriously wrong with society. Out of the 5 crimes I just listed, only ONE of them can directly lead to innocent deaths... DUI.
by goingforthecorner on Jul 30, 2007 1:20 AM CDT reply actions
Well
We could start with aggravated assault/robbery and work up. My note that there are worse crimes than DUI wasn't to dismiss it as a serious crime. As noted, "it's still extremely stupid. And dangerous."
With that said, there's a difference in intent. While a DUI is a serious and very dangerous crime, it's a lapse in judgment that's categorically different from deciding to, say, put a gun in someone's face to steal their property.
I don't think that's disputable.
Difference of intent?
"...categorically different from deciding to, say, put a gun in someone's face to steal their property.
I don't think that's disputable."
Get back to me on that after your 1L year, PB. I want to see if your above comment has changed.
I don't think that the person committing aggravated assault above really intends to hurt anyone, just like I don't think that the drunk driver really intends to hurt anyone. However, each definitely intends every action leading up to the crime (i.e., 1. getting a gun, 2. pointing it at victim, 3. taking money; vs. 1. getting drunk, 2. driving).
In each case, you intentionally commit the crime. In each case, you know (or should know) that there is a significant danger to other people. In each case, you are intentionally putting other people at risk by doing something that you know (at least while you are in an unimpaired state)is dangerous, where you know other people are going to be involved.
The difference that I see is in the underlying activity - theft vs. getting drunk - not in any intent. One is just more socially acceptable than the other.
Maybe
Maybe intent wasn't quite the right word.
And this is definitely a topic for another site.
But I will argue (email me if you'd like to continue) that there's a fundamental difference in the two crimes. The cost to civil society of aggravated assault, left unchecked, is greater than that of drunken driving. Society would collapse without appropriate safeguards against the former. It'd be a scary place to drive in the latter.
And I definitely think there's a difference between someone who gets behind the wheel at .08 and someone who uses a gun to take someone else's property.
Anyway, enough about that.
I don't think calling for a three-game suspension is particularly soft. I stand by my position.
I agree that
"...there's a fundamental difference in the two crimes." I just don't think that the fundamental difference is intent.
From a non-legal standpoint, drunk driving is a crime of stupidity. People just don't realize the possible outcomes, figuring that it can never happen to them. This was just a college kid, being stupid. I would venture a guess that over 75% of college kids (inlcuding myself when I was in school) make this same stupid mistake. Most of them just don't get caught, or hurt anyone - but it is still the same activity.
Anyhow, back to football. Its hard for me to crucify SK for just being stupid. 3-5 games out should do it - enough to send a message without being overly draconian. Any repeats though, and Mack will likely (and should) drop the hammer.
goingforthecorner...
by Vice President Coco (40118) on Jul 30, 2007 2:20 AM CDT reply actions
Because I have a problem with DUI's?
What does partying have to do with drinking and driving?
by goingforthecorner on Jul 30, 2007 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions
DRUNK DRIVING
you would all have a different view of drunk driving
if your 24 year old baby brother with a boy 1 year old was killed by a drunk driver at Peyton Gin and 183 at a red light stopped in 1982. He was hit from behind by a guy who had been to the silver dollar and admitted to having SEVENTEEN beers going 70 and never put on his brakes.
A cop was stopped at the light on the other side of the street and saw it happen.
THAT"S DRUNK DRIVING FOR YOU.
WOULD IT TAKE SERGIO TO KILL SOMEONE TO WAKE YOU UP?
Thanks, Steve '79
drunk driving
thanks for your sympathy.
my parents have suffered everyday and every holiday
is bittersweet.
you always think it will happen to someone else, not you.
my brother's death was front page news in austin and it started Mothers against drunk driving and you can see how big that is today.
i think every drunk driver should do at least 30 days jail time.
thanks again, steve keeling in dallas
I'm staying out of this
but you really put it into perspective ut1ou2. My condolences to you and your family.
Aaaaand
No more politics, por favor.
It's one of the two things (along with religion) I'll almost always delete.
I know this thread has gotten abstract, but we definitely can't let politics into the thread.
Nothing personal - just not something we need.
Mack should come down hard on these guys
I'd love to see Mack pull a Joe Pa and make them clean bird poop in the stands or something creative.
He needs to enforce something on the offending players that just isn't punitive, but has a chilling affect on the rest of the team.
They need to hold each other accountable.
I've met 1 or 2 middle age Tex-ex players (nobody big, just baby boomer back-ups) who all more or less have the same gripe with Mack. They claim he's too easy on the team when guys are loafing/goofing off in practice or getting in to trouble off the field. I know people who regularly attended the previously open practices, say they've never seen Mack make players run stairs, do laps or dole out punishment of any kind.
I don't think keeping players in-line is something that comes easy to Mack. He wants to be everybody's buddy, which was essentially his mission post-Mackovic. Tough to be a buddy and an enforcer.
yeah
i agree, but the kid is underage, and so it is sort of twice as illegal.
sigh. very bummed to hear this news.
Mack pushes back at media
Mack Brown made a second comment today about the weekend arrest of linebacker Sergio Kindle on a DWI charge, the San Antonio Express-News reported from the high school coaches convention in Fort Worth.
Brown was speaking during a panel discussion when he seemingly turned the tables on the latest story, suggesting that reporters put too much emphasis on the negatives.
Said Brown: "It’s very interesting that when you have 130 kids, and 128 of them do everything right, if one gets in trouble, you stir it up about one or two."
Good point. Let's focus on some good news for a change. Announce how SK will be punished, then let's start talking about how amazing the rest of the guys have been all summer. Anyone saved a baby from a burning building? Stopped an oblivious tourist from buying an aTm ball cap? Leapt tall buildings in a single bound?
by patienthornsfan on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 AM CDT reply actions
I'm not sure how to feel about that comment
I would really hate to see the return of Mack's thin skinned ways with the media.
For such a smart and savy communicator he sometimes gets caught up in his own insecurities and emotions. There is no need for him to be indignant.
Kindle lost his chance to start?
Killebrew, a locker room favorite heading into his senior season, had earned his job with two solid, if not spectacular, seasons as a starter already under his belt. It was going to be difficult to replace him with an up-and-coming sophomore, no matter how good that sophomore might be.
Kindle probably blew any chance he had of cracking the Longhorns’ opening day lineup when he allegedly blew his field sobriety test for the Austin police.
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