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Weak scheduling good or bad?

I know many of you are probably sick of the schedule talk but it's interesting to me so I did a little research and found some interesting info.I looked at the AP Polls top 25 and took the top 5 and looked at their schedules.Nobody but LSU and Michigan has daunting schedules.Texas is the only one who plays 4 ranked teams.Now I've read both sides of the argument to the weak verses strong schedule and I can agree with both sides,I don't know where I stand.I will say this it seems that the big 12 conference is just weak while the other teams are in better conferences which helps them.Last thing being said I would like to see atleast one more tougher nonconference game, and if LSU loses only one game they will still go to the NC because their schedule is a bear.

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Strong?

What if K-State knocks off Auburn?
What if TCU beats Baylor, and crashes the BCS with one loss to Texas in week 2?
What if Nebraska upsets USC?

Texas has the potential to have a very strong schedule.

"Here's to Revielle, the cutest girl in College Station."

by Bdub on Aug 19, 2007 12:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

one step further..

just taking some time to take a look at the scheduling situation, and i didnt like what i saw. the team that everyone is chasing, USC, doesnt even play a team in the top 10 and only 3 in the top 25. LSU is the only team that plays 2 in the top 10 and the rest round out with 1 each respectfully. even OU, who just plays 2 top 25 teams, have 1 top 10 opponent, but of course that game is the RRS. not looking good for anyone to overthrow USC at #1 so it looks like a run for #2 for the rest of the nation. i will be a husker fan come sept. 15 when they meet with USC at nebraska, and any other team who plays USC.    

more UT, less cowbell

by kcc28 on Aug 19, 2007 1:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

RE: Husker fan

Everyone here should be....well, except USCLink & TrojaninDC.

Nebraska has one of the classiest fan-bases in the nation.  They are a great group, and every story I've heard does nothing but elevate my respect for them.  Kudos to my tailgating buddies last season, and their great story from the '96 Big 12 Championship.....needless to say, Texas fans were slightly outnumbered at that one.

My advice is simple.  Root for the Huskers on Sept. 15.  Root against them on Oct. 27....but treat their fans well in Austin.

by Shake on Aug 19, 2007 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you got it shake

i made all the arrangements to be at that game and look foward to spending friday night and saturday night mingling with the husker fans on 6th street. much respect and look foward to the rematch of last year hoping for another nail biter.

more UT, less cowbell

by kcc28 on Aug 19, 2007 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not...

... another nail biter.  If I have to go through that feeling I got when Nunn crossed the yellow line on my TV box again, I may not make it, and I know my grandfather won't.  Maybe let's say competitive well into the third quarter, out of reach by 5 to go in the 4th.  I'd like to have my granddad finish this season...

"So, the A and the M are just there so you aren't TU?"

by Horn Brain on Aug 19, 2007 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sos end of season is more interesting

since there's a reasonable chance the top 25 will look a lot different at the end of the season than it does now, i don't give a lot of credence to the comparisons at this point. how many top 10 teams usc (or tx or ou or lsu, etc.) plays/played is more relevant when the season has actually started to play out a bit, as opposed to this hold-a-finger-to-the-wind-and-come-up-with-some-rankings mode.

by Defender90 on Aug 20, 2007 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SOS

I think you know why not schedule the best teams. Because if you cant beat the best you dont deserve to be the best...like in 05 OSU was one of the best teams and we beat them

by blazzinken on Aug 19, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Scheduling a hard issue with the current system.

I'm a little over half way thru a ten part series regarding a playoff proposal for college football where I discuss and compare the scheduling issues which plague the current system.

Come and read for yourself if you'd like.  Great site here, I appreciate the professionalism and great writing.

BCSBusters: "A Regular Season Bracketed Playoff - Truly Making Everygame a Playoff in College Football."

by bcsbusters on Aug 20, 2007 2:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Schedule not weak enough for you?

Well then you'll be happy to know we most probably will be signing a deal to open the season with..........no, hold your breath.......here it comes........Florida Atlantic!

I'm wondering why we don't just secede from the Big-XII and play all those Sun Belt Conference juggernauts as conference games. This is by-gosh TEXAS! We don't have to play these silly games.

TEXAS SIZED OPPONENT ON THE HORIZON?

By Marcus Nelson | Monday, August 13, 2007, 11:30 PM

The word around the Oxley Center is that FAU is close to finalizing a game at Texas next season. While athletic department officials say the deal is not finalized, it sounds like there are only a few small details to be worked out before a Owls-Longhorns tilt will be official.

The discussions are still ongoing, but the Owls believe they will be in Austin, Texas for the first game of the 2008 season. FAU also plays at Minnesota and at Michigan State next season.

Texas is familiar with Sun Belt Conference teams. The Longhorns will play host to Arkansas State to kick-of this season and have played a Sun Belt Conference team every year in its opening game since the Sun Belt’s first year in 2001.

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--- All roads to the Big-XII Championships run through OU and the RRS. It's not just "another game." ---

by HornChamps on Aug 20, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Weak scheduling can be good....AND bad....

If we're a suspect team, it can be good (in a sense). We would have an easier road and chance to be undefeated.

That being said, I would rather schedule powerhouses and have 1 or 2 losses at the end, than schedule cupcakes and be close to undefeated.

The fact of the matter is. This year, if we don't go undefeated, we WILL NOT sneak into a #2 spot. Our strength of schedule will probably not be enough to surpass a 1 loss USC, SEC team, or teams like tOSU or Michigan.

I've said it before. I'd rather be the highest rated 1 loss team, than the lowest rated 1 loss team. If you're the highest rated team, you just have to hope for only 1 or fewer undefeated teams. If you're the lowest, you have to hope for 3-5 teams to blow it at the end of the year. That usually doesnt happen much, and if that's the case....Hello Fiesta Bowl. (Which is good, but the goal is always the NC).

by bleed burnt orange on Aug 21, 2007 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather be undefeated

The problem with your argument, is if you are going to assume a loss to the tough out of conference team and that you are then the best one loss team, that means that you did not lose any of your conference games.
If you had not scheduled the tough out of conference team, you would have been undefeated.

by Wells on Aug 21, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

We won't pass USC with one loss, which perturbs me.  Read my back and forth with defender90(I think?) on the Horns #4 in AP Poll diary.  How exactly is USC's sched. so much tougher than ours?

"So, the A and the M are just there so you aren't TU?"

by Horn Brain on Aug 21, 2007 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the problem with....

your argument Wells, is that you completely discount the impact of an early season challenge upon the player's/team's development. Pounding the crap out of a bunch of tomato cans might do a lot to build a false sense of security, but absolutely nothing to prepare them for the bitch-slap of a premier team. In your scenario you simply can't be so sure the team would finish undefeated as the lack of preparation might cost them a loss later in the season. Seasons 2002 thru '04 come to mind.

From DKR's retirement to present:

When we played a RANKED opponent prior to playing OU, our record against OU is 13-4-2.

When we did NOT play a ranked opponent prior to playing OU, our record against the Sooners is 2-9.

Mack Brown's record is 4-1 when playing a RANKED opponent prior to playing OU. When Mack did NOT play a ranked opponent prior to being bitch-slapped by OU, his record is 0'fer 4!

That is the value of playing an early season premier opponent. The team is better prepared.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championships run through OU and the RRS. It's not just "another game." ---

by HornChamps on Aug 21, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking about that when I wrote it

I almost went back and added a second comment as a HornsChamps qualifier, but I figured you would make this comment anyway.

I will not rehash the this argument again, as I am not sold either way on the effect of a tough out of conference schedule on in conference games.

by Wells on Aug 22, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Notice who they did NOT mention

"There isn't as much as incentive to play a hard nonconference schedule these days because in the polls there is more weight to being undefeated," Stoops said. "If you haven't lost any games you are above guys that have lost one."

So with the emphasis on staying undefeated, why would OU consider playing big Division I schools such as Miami in the future? Furthermore, why schedule teams like Notre Dame for two games -- one in Norman in 2012 and one in South Bend, Ind., in 2013? Or Washington, where the Sooners will play in Seattle next season, or Cincinnati, where OU will begin a home-and-home series next season? How about adding perennial power Tennessee for a home-and-home series in 2014 and 2015 Stoops said that the tough nonconference games create positives for both the team and the fans.

"The positives are for our fans and challenging our team," Stoops said. "The exposure is great because everyone will be talking about it. Like our Miami game, it will have full national coverage. They are exciting. We feel if you are a top-10 team then you play top-10 opponents."

Sooners pass on cupcake teams

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championships run through OU and the RRS. It's not just "another game." ---

by HornChamps on Aug 21, 2007 10:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear HC,

Why do I get the feeling that you were actually disappointed that Texas won the MNC because it set back your "Fire Mack Brown" campaign by a couple of years?

Does it give you pleasure to be the BON member who takes every opportunity to rain on every parade, march or stroll down the Drag? Because honestly, it brings me no joy. And worse yet, it causes me to want to come to this site less often because every time I read the newest installment of your vendetta against the management of the Longhorn football team I want to describe in no uncertain terms how much I disagree with you, but I know that's exactly the kind of dialogue PB doesn't want or need around here.

So I reiterate my question, which others have asked before me: What is it you are gaining from trolling this website and community? Is it the debate you are looking for? Because it seems that most of us have grown tired of the monotony of your argument. And if not, I'm sure there are several OU and aTm sites you could frequent where they would agree with you until the cows come home. Are you hoping to eventually beat the rest of us down with your inexorable "logic" until we finally just yield and lobby PB to change the name of the site to "Fire Mack Brown.com"? Because I can assure you that it won't happen as long as I'm around. But that leads to a third possibility: Are you trying to drive off those of us who actually derive some enjoyment from reading this site and participating in this community out of some twisted misanthropy? If that's the case, you may actually be winning and that's the saddest end-game of all.

I don't know what else to say. Your extended diatribe against Mack Brown tires me out and makes me somewhat sad. If you'd take a break, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.

So take that.

by Kahuna on Aug 22, 2007 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kahuna

You afraid of your own shadow? You certainly have a strange sense of logic. Your conclusions are completely flawed.

What I want is for Mack Brown and DeLoss to show some nads and schedule some real, premier opponents in our OOC schedule. I want them to quit dodging games with Miami, only to have them offered to OU. I want them to pick up the phone and call USC to take the home/home they are shopping. Understand that?

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championships run through OU and the RRS. It's not just "another game." ---

by HornChamps on Aug 22, 2007 9:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I completely understand

what you want. And to some extent I agree on the scheduling issue. What I don't understand is why every topic (recruiting "bad seeds", offensive philosophy, etc.) that arises on BON comes back, in your eyes, to "Mack Brown is the problem". Take that back. I do understand, after reading countless comments by you, why you think Mack Brown is the problem. What I don't understand is why you continue to spend your days harping about it here, in what is otherwise a generally friendly and optimistic Burnt Orange Nation community.

Have you considered a letter-writing campaign to Mack and DeLoss? Or to the Board of Regents if you really think those two need to be replaced? Some constructive way to express your opinion? Because bombarding us with it isn't going to change anything.

All I'm trying to point out here is that you are continually and unabashedly negative about the Longhorn program and it's wearing me out. I'm not sure what strange logic you're referring to or what flawed conclusions I came to. I made some guesses as to why you're always so negative that were somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Then I made a personal plea for you to lighten up a bit.

Anyway, I'm just looking forward to enjoying the season and I'd ask that you try to do the same.

So take that.

by Kahuna on Aug 22, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HC

In response to your ongoing campaign regarding OOC Scheduling, allow me to offer the following:

I would be willing to bet that out of about 2000 registered BON community members, you can't find 5 who (unsarcastically) support scheduling a team like SHSU in Austin.  In other words, we all agree that was a bad idea last year....and one that should not be repeated.

Rice won't disappear from the schedule for a long, long time.  I'm not going to pretend to understand everything behind the scenes of this particular situation, but I do know that this game is great for Rice (sports & finances)....and they always look forward to their game against the Horns.  It is a long-standing tradition.

From 2003-2011, our OOC opponents include:
Arkansas (4 games)
 *Note: I love scheduling this old SWC rival*
Ohio State (2 games)
TCU (1 game)
UCLA (2 games)

While it is only 1 "major" OOC opponent each year, there were only 3 OOC games per year until 2006.  That's 2 "warm-up" games, and 1 game against an SEC, PAC-10, Big-10, etc. opponent.  That is how it has been done at most (not all) universities for many years.  

Now, of course, there are 4.  I wouldn't mind seeing that 12th game scheduling another Big 12 North opponent....but that's just one season ticket-holder's opinion.  Assuming that won't be happening, ive the AD/Coach more than 1 year to adjust to 4 OOC games, before crucifying them.  Change always takes time.

by Shake on Aug 22, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Additionally

Part of my point is that the games with teams from "major" conferences are usually scheduled 5+ years in advance.  That makes it extremely difficult to know if you are scheduling a ranked team or not.

Seriously, who would have scheduled West Virginia or Louisville 5 years ago....expecting them to be a Top-10 team??

Your crystal ball would have to be pretty damn good to achieve the goal of scheduling a ranked OOC opponent every year.

by Shake on Aug 22, 2007 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arguing exceptions...
...to the rule really makes me chuckle.

Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Florida State
Miami
VaTech
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
Auburn
LSU
Notre Dame
USC
UCLA
Cal
Oregon

That doesn't take any crystal ball, does it? Oh, there is the rare 1 or 2 year break (Miami comes to mind) from normal, but for the most part they are a layup. When you schedule those fella's, you know exactly what you're getting - a premier opponent.  

Just like when you schedule the likes of these characters.

NewMex.St.(3)
Rice(7)
LaLafayette(2)
Houston(2)
N.Texas(2)
Tulane(2)
SamHouston State
ArkansasSt.
UCF
(Soon to be announced) Florida Atlantic-just 2 years removed from Div.1-AA

It doesn't take any crystal ball to know what you're getting when you schedule those fella's. You can rest assured you're getting a bona fide cupcake. As for Rice, you can darn well bet that if they started playing like Rutgers, then they'd get cut off faster than a drunk husband with panty breath.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championships run through OU and the RRS. It's not just "another game." ---

by HornChamps on Aug 23, 2007 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who shot your dog?

What's got you so pissed off every time you take to the keyboard.

Folks here at BON try to have (mostly) rational debates, and you always have so much venom when typing.

Make your points, sure.  But treat folks with the same respect they try to give you.  Otherwise, you'll never win Ms. Congeniality. (apologies to 54B)

by Shake on Aug 23, 2007 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the point i'd make...

for OOC scheduling is you MUST schedule atleast 1 OOC game against a BCS School. Not Vanderbilt and Duke, but atleast 2nd tier teams that have a chance to be ranked before and after we play them even if it is 5 years from now.

I love the Home and Home's with Arkansas, UCLA, and tOSU. We need to schedule more of these and make sure we have ATLEAST one game vs a BCS school. Last time I checked, TCU is not in a BCS Conference. We are actually lucking into the fact that they are Back-to-Back MWC Champs.

Don't get me wrong, I like playing TCU...they're a good team. But we don't/won't get much credit by beating them.

Hell, we got more credit towards the end of last year for losing to tOSU, than we'd get for beating TCU. That's a fact.

And besides....in addition to winning the National Championship, how sweet is it STILL to say we were able to beat THE Ohio State University in Columbus. Those are the types of games the fans want to see....those are the types of games that recruits want to play....those are the types of games that keep us in the National Championship picture year in and year out. Period.

by bleed burnt orange on Aug 23, 2007 12:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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