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Texas Longhorns Depth Chart Analyasis: Defense Vs Arkansas State

We continue with a breakdown of the defensive depth chart.

DE (Quick)

1. Brian Orakpo   2. Eddie Jones

The "quick" side is, if you're looking at the DL from the secondary, the right hand side of the field. Brian Orakpo and Eddie Jones are as fierce a 1-2 combo at one DE slot as you'll find in the country. Period. Jones starts for 95% of Division 1 teams.

NOSE TACKLE

1. Derek Lokey   --OR--   Roy Miller     2. Ben Alexander

Mack says Lokey and Miller are both starters, and this is another case where the "backup" is a starter almost anywhere else in the country. We'll be wringing our hands shortly when we talk about the secondary, but Texas fans have absolutely nothing to fear when it comes to the defensive line. This is a ridiculous group of players. Keep an eye on Ben Alexander, too. Just a sophomore, he's going to be seeing solid minutes this year in preparation for Okam and Lokey's graduation.

TACKLE

1. Frank Okam   --OR--   Roy Miller     2. Thomas Marshall

Still no surprises here. Okam, when healthy, is one of the most physically imposing tackles in all of football and could be a top 10 NFL Draft pick if he stays uninjured. Marshall's a fifth year player who can eat minutes but isn't a true impact player.

DE (POWER)

1. Aaron Lewis   2. Lamarr Houston

I've said it before, but Mack Brown has simply dominated the state of Texas recruting at this position. Lewis has earned his starting job with his unrelenting motor, but Houston is almost as freakish as Eddie Jones. Blocking the Texas line this year will be a monumental challenge.

LBs

[Strongside] 1. Robert Killebrew  2. Dustin Earnest  /  [Middle] 1. Rashad Bobino  2. Jared Norton  /  [Weakside] 1. Scott Derry   --OR--   Rodderick Muckelroy    2. Keenan Robinson

Sergio Kindle's boneheadedness this summer complicates the linebacker position, at least in the short term. For now, the situation is a bit confusing. For one thing, you could make a case that Texas' three best linebackers are all listed on the Weakside LB position.

I think, though, that you have to look at this unit as a whole (which is why I've listed it all together). Larry MacDuff has been cross-training several of these guys to play on both sides of the field, and even in the middle, which means it's hard to make projections or criticisms based on the depth chart below. And again, we don't yet have Kindle to think about.

Though the current situation is a bit confusing, I think it a mistake to label it a weakness. Texas has 6-7 guys who potentially have good seasons in them. We're in much better shape than a year ago, even if one or two of the starting three don't show improvement from 2006.

Let's note the solid depth and talent for now, and wait to evaluate this group as play begins.

RIGHT CB

1. Ryan Palmer    2. Deon Beasley   --OR--Chykie Brown

Um. What?

Okay, here's the thing. Mack Brown talked in his presser about how size at this position is not everything. And he's right. Speed and the ability to play the ball is as, or more, important than a corner's actual height.

With that said... Palmer was a major disappointment last season. I say that noting, of course, that the expectations were minimal. We BONers didn't start calling Palmer and Foster "Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum" just because we're mean-spirited. We did so because they were lousy.

Mack says that Palmer has earned the starting job, and as a matter of operating philosophy, I'll reserve criticism until we've played some actual football. Let's just note now, for the record, that we're skeptical. Very, very skeptical.

SAFETIES

[Free] 1. Marcus Griffin   --OR--   Drew Kelson    2. Tyrell Gatewood  /  [Strong]  1. Erick Jackson   --OR--   Ishie Oduegwu

Mkay. I honestly don't even know how to evaluate this. If we're going by the "OR" standard as heretofore applied, Texas has four "starters." Seriously, the more I try to think about this, the more I wrinkle my brow and want to give up.

I honestly don't know. And nobody else does, either. It's game week, so we'll get some data soon, but for now, we have to just subtly cross our fingers and toes while we wait to see what happens on the gridiron.

LEFT CB

1. Brandon Foster     2. Curtis Brown   --OR--   Earl Thomas

Like I said: Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum? Together? As starters?

Hey - I'll be the first to (happily) eat my words if my skepticism is misplaced, but I have to file this in the Team Worry category as of now. Foster's had a whale of a fall camp, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. The worry is seeing him and Palmer out there starting together.

For now, we're forced to believe one of two things: If you're the pessimistic sort, you might believe the coaches are handing out Starter Tokens to veterans. If you're the optimistic sort, you might believe that Palmer and Foster are our two best options right now.

Whatever's the case actually may be, this gets a dark, dark red flag for now. Fingers, toes, and eyes crossed.

--PB--

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Foster

didn't foster have some key plays after T. Brown broke his arm in the Rose Bowl?

as for optimism and pessimism, the more pessimistic view would be the young kids aren't at a point to beat out "tweedle dee and tweedle dum".

if Arkansas State completes a pass, everyone will be calling for Foster and Palmer to serve up their heads.  

we'll eventually need the entire two deep for KSU, NU and TTU, so we should probably go ahead and resign ourselves to the fact that these guys aren't NFL draft picks, but will probably be better than last year.

by cortexas on Aug 28, 2007 12:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PB

Seriously, if these depth charts are an accurate rep of what is going to occur this year I am worrying if I am a Hornfan.

IMHO, before the start of summer camp there were three positions that had no questions marks: QB, WR, and DL.

While QB and DL were thin, I felt that WR was all around a really deep asset for you guys.  Now that isnt the case.

There are a lot of holes on this team.

by HMFIC04 on Aug 28, 2007 12:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Most people make hard choices

when they have to, generally not before. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

If we were playing OU or tOSU there probably wouldn't be so many 'starters.'  Right now the coaches can utilize the motivation and reward strategems, and experiment to their hearts' content, knowing that the play of the game will sort out many of the choices.

Practice is not the game. And some choices are obviously being made from practice. Things will be much clearer next week - and I'd bet the choices more explicit with TCU.

In the three relatively easy games (Ark. St., C. Florida and Rice), the coaches ought to be playing anyone with a remote chance of making the field in the last half of the season.

One of the anomalies of football is that for certain people, playing the game can reveal abilities and elements of play that somehow don't show up in practice. Perhaps they need a certain chemistry the game gives. Aside from that caveat, the best practice players will be the core of the team.

by whills on Aug 28, 2007 1:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree

We can't get too hung up on this "OR" business now.  It could turn out to be a good thing.  Mack has a history of giving starting jobs to upperclassmen over ridiculously talented underclassmen until a big loss convinces him that a change is needed (see, Benson, Cedric; and Young, Vince).  This has been a problem.

But this "OR" business could signal a change in philosophy.  By not locking some players into the "starter" role and the "back-up" role, he allows for change on the fly in response to performance in the games without having to make waves by making official changes to the depth chart.  He just put the guys who are playing well into the game more often.

by billyzane on Aug 28, 2007 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OR's

One of the trends in college defenses is playing a 4-2-5, especially against passing teams and on long yardage, even to the point of replacing linebackers with hard-hitting safeties like Drew Kelson and putting more athletic but perhaps less experienced corners on the outside with the seniors playing in the "slot" where they have to read the offensive formation much more. If Texas has these different "packages" for different down and distance scenarios or teams with certain formations, that could explain a lot of this OR business. I also agree with the earlier comment that the coaches are still sorting out "practice" from "game" players.

by burnt in ny on Aug 28, 2007 6:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

4-2-5 thoughts...

Want to get a hardcore KNOWLEDGABLE Ag spun up?

Talk to him about the 4-2-5.  

A lot of people dont like it because it limits the blitz packages provided, it relies more the DL than on the LB.  Fran says he uses it because in these days not enough good LBs are coming out of Texas to recruit for a 4-3 or 3-4 effectively.

In our 4-2-5 the Whip is actually a 3rd CB on the field, not a leaner LB.

by HMFIC04 on Aug 28, 2007 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

schizophrenia?

When I read down the depth charts and think about the strengths and limitations of the Longhorns personnel, both the offense and defense seem to have adopted a personality that doesn't fit the talent of the available players. It's a bit like a 90 pound weakling running around the beach kicking sand in everyone's face.

The defense seems like a team that would best fit a "cover 2" scheme like the Chicago Bears and other teams in the NFL. Rather than play tough man-to-man on the corners with physical CBs (such as Q. Jammer, C. Griffin in the past), the group we have now sounds suited to chase and recover in the open field (B. Foster) and sit back and hit receivers with the safeties just before or after the catch. But is that our personality? All I read about is how aggressive we will be, but I don't think we have the DB's that really allow that. Also unless Muckelroy really comes on and Kindle finds his brain, we're going to get beat up by running teams like OU, A&M, and perhaps even TCU and Nebraska because we won't be able to give any safety help in the running game.

Likewise on offense, the personality is "I'm so fast, I'll run around you (I'm not buying Jamaal Charles as a tough guy yet)", but we're lining up to play smashmouth. We had this same schizophrenia in the latter years of Hodges Mitchell and early years of Cedric Benson and we all know how that turned out in the really big games.

I predict UT will live up to its #4 ranking if Colt can make the team manifest whatever personality it needs, Jamaal Charles really is "the man," and Kindle and Muckelroy make a bid for All Big 12. Otherwise....

by burnt in ny on Aug 28, 2007 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

comments

I really hope Drew Kelson gets a lot of playing time in there... he may be getting used to the safety position again, but he's such a smart and athletic guy.

Question - Are Kindle and Melton still practicing with the team?  Where do you think they'll fit in once the 3-game suspension is over?

by SelimSivad on Aug 28, 2007 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kelson

In complete agreement here. He just seems too smart and fast. It will be a huge shame if he spends his last year riding the pine half the time.

Also, I think he deserves the playing time for his own sake. He's been the ultimate team player as evidenced by his position shifts according to needs/scheme—RB, LB, and only now, finally, in his natural S spot—and has potentially lost big money by not playing in his normal position for years.

Also, I just don't believe that E. Jackson, however good a fall camp he's had, is really better than the athlete who ran stride-for-stride with Bush all the Rose Bowl.

by kiev482 on Aug 28, 2007 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The DWI boys
are still practicing with the team, according to MB-TF first press conference of training camp, but just won't be on the depth chart until Kansas State week. Kindle is supposed to be #2 at one of the outside linebackers (it's always been vague which one) and Melton is #3 behind Aaron Lewis.

by burnt in ny on Aug 28, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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