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Getting The House In Order: Mack Brown And The Texas Arrests

With four arrests in two months, plus the transfers of tackles J'Marcus Webb and Roy Watts after they failed out of school, the Longhorns have suffered their worst offseason summer of news since Mack Brown arrived in Austin. For years, both Mack Brown and his army of fans have proudly chest-thumped about the efforts Mack Brown makes to recruit kids and the program's image as a clean, strong one.

Now, that image is being called into question. Rival message boards are lighting up with schadenfreude as Sooners and Aggies alike yell out "Book 'Em Horns!"

I really don't want to be talking about this - believe me, I don't - but when Texas has had as many arrests over the past fifteen months as any school in the country, there's a real problem, and it simply has to be addressed.

We'll try to break this down by the various talking points floating around and go from there.

It's not fair to the 120 other kids in the program to be focusing on these bad apples.

It probably isn't fair to the other kids in the program, but that's life. What are we supposed to do? Pretend Longhorns aren't being arrested left and right, bury our heads in the sand, and focus only on the good kids?

I know there are Longhorn fans who do want to do that, but the rest of the country certainly won't. It is what it is, and it's reached a point where hammering home the talking points about the good kids is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

That's tough to swallow, but a problem is a problem.

It's also unfair to blame Mack Brown for this.

I agree, and I'm not viewing this as Mack Brown's fault. I don't think most fans are. To some extent, these kinds of things are unavoidable. As fans, most of us ask that Mack do everything he can to make sure he brings in
kids who can make us proud, and I don't think there are many among us who would argue Mack doesn't try his hardest in that regard.

Unfortunately, despite his best efforts, there is a problem. I don't have to blame Mack Brown for these kids' failures to speak up and note that there's something wrong.

Mack Brown has allowed this to happen and needs to be doing more to only recruit the "right" kind of kids.

On the flipside, some are going bonkers blaming Mack Brown for this recent string of arrests.

As noted above, I don't think that's helpful analysis. For one thing, Brown works hard on recruiting kids he doesn't think will mess up. For another, all the pre-screening in the world wouldn't get you perfect results. These are 18-21 year old kids who are given keys to the great city of Austin. Some of 'em are gonna mess up. And some of the mistakes made will be made by good kids.

This conversation needs to turn away from hystrionics and blaming and turn to solutions. What can be done to minimize these types of mistakes?

1. The upperclass leadership needs to step up in a big way. You know, I think the first thing I'd do if I were Mack Brown would be to call in three or four of my upperclassmen and make it crystal clear to them that the kind of leadership these young players need has to come from the older players as much, or more, than from the coaches.

While no one group of players or coaches can keep everyone in line, there needs to be a culture of accountability and togetherness on the Longhorn football team. A lot of that has to come from the players, and it's gotta come from the older guys. Some have observed that a lot of these young players arrived at Texas with a sense of entitlement because of the 2005 national championship. And now, with no Vince Young holding the entire group together, there's a vacuum in senior leadership.

That simply has to change. I'm sure the Derek Lokeys and Limas Sweeds of the team are doing a lot, but these events make it clear that they could probably stand to do more. Someone's got to get angry - like Vince Young would - and get everyone on the same page.

2. Stiff penalties must be doled out to the offenders.  Assuming these charges stick: Good-bye Andre Jones. And hello multi-game suspensions for Sergio Kindle and Henry Melton. That's a tough thing for the two DUI violators, but Mack Brown has to send some sort of message that there's no tolerance for breaking the law at Texas. Mack Brown has said over and over again that no one player is bigger than the program.

Time to prove it.

FINAL THOUGHTS

There are some who think a lot of this talk is overreaction to a few bad kids. On the one hand, they're right - the vast majority of Texas' players are great kids, and Mack Brown isn't guilty of "allowing" this to happen.

Nonetheless, we've reached the tipping point where those talking points aren't useful. It doesn't matter if most of the kids are good ones, or if Mack Brown is trying hard. What matters is that Longhorn players are showing up on the arrest blotter with regularity.

And as any good manager will tell you, the best (and, really, the only) way to take on a problem like this is to do so with accountability, transparency, and acknowledgement of the facts of the matter. Sweeping problems under the rug while pointing at the sunshine makes you look like you aren't taking things seriously. Trust in your ability to lead and make sound judgments will quickly erode. Just ask our President.

This isn't a "culture" problem or anything else that the Sky Is Falling crew will have you believe. But it is something that Longhorn fans need to point to, talk about, and present publicly our concern for. If Mack Brown takes it seriously, this too shall pass. The house is in good order overall. For it to stay in order, though, Mack needs to handle this the right way. The Longhorn way.

--PB--

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FOR GOD's SAKE

These are just accusations at this point, nothing has been proven. Let the legal system do it's job, and bash these kids when you have enough information.

Why everyone reacts as if they know all the facts and these kids (Jones, Sergio, Joseph) are guilty beyond reasonable doubt?

Go Horns, Go Vince, Go Mavs

by Cyrus on Aug 3, 2007 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude

If they're acquitted, the circumstances change. That needs to be said, and with each arrest, we've noted as much.

Still, you're sorely mistaken if you think not talking about this is gonna fly. Mack's got to do something other than say, "Let's see what the courts say."

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Aug 3, 2007 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talk about it

but leave some room for them being acquitted.  Don't talk as if you know they are guilty.

we've noted as much

I don't remember you even noting that. Even if you have, the tone of your writing is only appropriate after a guilty verdict/plea.

Go Horns, Go Vince, Go Mavs

by Cyrus on Aug 3, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check the Jones post

Here

"If the alleged charges are true..."

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Aug 3, 2007 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

fair enough, you did mention it, props. But to repeat myself, read the next two posts, it seems that you are sure these two are criminals.

Go Horns, Go Vince, Go Mavs

by Cyrus on Aug 3, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not my intent

There's no question that these guys deserve their day in court. What needs talking about, though, is what happens if they did what they're accused of.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Aug 3, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

let's not forget that it is a PRIVILEGE and not a RIGHT to get to play football at The University of Texas.  I understand what Cyrus is saying and agree to some extent, but these kids need to know that if they put themselves into a position where they will be arrested or accused of a serious offense then there will be serious consequences.  This may not be "fair" but it's the way the system works.  These guys represent The University, its staff, its students, the alumni and the fans who did not attend the school but love it just the same and they cannot allow themselves to be put into these types of situations.  They chose to play football under the microscope...they have to live by the rules and expectations that come from playing football in such an environment.  My opinion is Kindle and Melton should be gone for the year and Jones and Joseph should be gone for good.  It sucks for them if they're acquitted but it sure would send a strong message to current and future players that such nonsense will not be tolerated under any circumstance. Maybe Mack should suspend them from the team and let them keep their scholarships while the legal process takes place - if they're acquitted they get  reinstated, if not then it's adios muchacho.

by Screw O.U. on Aug 3, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand what you saying

I don't say don't criticize these kids, just don't forget that we do not know all the facts, and they may be acquitted.

If they get acquitted, many people owe them huge apologies.

Go Horns, Go Vince, Go Mavs

by Cyrus on Aug 3, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most

But I don't agree this isn't a possible "culture" problem. Maybe it's just a bunch of bad apples spoiling the bunch.

By all accounts Dre Jones was a good stand up kid. Both Jones and Kindle enrolled early, said, and did all the right things. They were model citizens without a spot on them.
They spend a year in the Texas program hanging out with older players and eventually find themselves in trouble.
It seems like younger guys are learning something from upperclassmen.

Cats and dogs sleeping together.

by EYESofBEVO on Aug 3, 2007 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Very well stated

Couldn't agree with you more!!!  What is your take on Akina in all of this?  I was under the impression that he is sort of a hard-ass.  Do you think this is a situation where a lot of heads will be thumped behind closed doors but the only voice we'll hear is Mack's?  I personally would just like to hear someone in a leadership position, be it a coach or a player, come out and state that this is not acceptable behavior and that serious consequences will be coming SOON so that the "good apples" can focus on the season and a National Title.  Your thoughts?

by Screw O.U. on Aug 3, 2007 3:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes I think it has

already started.

Do you think this is a situation where a lot of heads will be thumped behind closed doors but the only voice we'll hear is Mack's?

The team doesn't have to acknowledge what's going on behind closed doors, but I can imagine there's some serious ass chewing going on. I don't believe Sergio and Henry should be suspended for more than about 6 games. Jones should be allowed to remain at school until a trial is completed, again innocent until proven guilty. Jones should be gone if he is guilty of "Armed Robbery".

"Nobody leaves this field until we beat the hell out of them".................... L.J."Louis"Jordan in 1913 before kickoff of the Texas/ou game.

by ouALWAYSsux on Aug 3, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not making light

of the situation, but schadenfreud is my favorite word.

This will pass.

by burntorangenance on Aug 3, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I found .....

the following on another board. It's not just a coincidence that this is Mack Brown's 10th season at UT.

With all that's been going on with the team this summer, I thought I'd see if Mack had similar issues at UNC.  This whole image he has created may be a smoke screen to hide an inability to control his players. Just looking at the  1997 roster, there  were 7 players that were charged with assault, one for felony sex offense, one for larceny and one for possession of marijuana. There may be more but some of the links are so slow that I lost patience.  Not all were arrested that year--some  a year or two later--but they all played for or were recruited by Mack.  

ARRESTED Players Link

1997 UNC Roster Link

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championships run through OU and the RRS. It's not just "another game." ---

by HornChamps on Aug 3, 2007 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

a serious question

I'm not at all trying to be antagonistic, just curious.  What D1 coach do you think controls his players well?

by BrooklynHorn on Aug 3, 2007 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let us try

to maintain integrity rather than turn to Aggie and Gooner back-pedaling and rationalization. This isn't elementary school where the whining of "he started it" and "everyone's doing it" excuse is commonly used. Five arrests in less than 2 months is totally unacceptable. Ten arrests since the NC points to a lack of leadership from the CEO.

Is suggest you read today's Cedric Golden piece in the AA-S, where he points out, "Accountability is everything, and Mack must take the hit here. He won a national title and returned this program to top-five prominence. Now he must re-evaluate his recruiting practices before his program disintegrates into something ugly, or uglier.

Brown has a problem in his football family, and he must face that fact. Instead of taking responsibility, he chided the media this week when he said, "It's very interesting that when you have 130 kids, and 128 of them do everything right, if one gets in trouble, you stir it up about one or two."

Cedric Golden

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championships run through OU and the RRS. It's not just "another game." ---

by HornChamps on Aug 3, 2007 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That comment

From Mack was stupid.

He's smarter than that. You can't just pump sunshine when something requires you to address it face first.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Aug 3, 2007 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that IS a stupid quote

what, you want credit for doing what you're supposed to do?  

"look!  these 128 kids DIDN'T break the law!  why aren't you writing articles about that?!?"

this reminds me of a chris rock bit...paraphrased of course...

Mack Brown always wants credit for some shit he supposed to do. Mack will brag about some shit a normal man just does. Mack'll say some shit like 'Most of my players obey the law.'  They supposed to you dumb motherfucker! What kind of ignorant shit is that? 'Most of my players ain't never been to jail!'  What you want, a cookie?! They're not supposed to go to jail you low expectation-having motherfucker!

by billyzane on Aug 4, 2007 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that's funny!
It's so true. Chris Rock's early stuff was absolutely hilarious! I was quick to record his early stuff and use it today for a needed laugh.

Taking credit for actually doing the job for which a great institution pays you $2.5Million, is beyond funny. Bill Little fed him all the wrong material that day.  

Thanks for a GREAT laugh BZ!

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championships run through OU and the RRS. It's not just "another game." ---

by HornChamps on Aug 4, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and hell has officially frozen over

good to see you're a chris rock fan, HC.  that was....unexpected, to say the least.

and now that i've criticized mack when he deserves it, do you want to give him some credit when he deserves it? how about it? we'll both be rational?  deal?

by billyzane on Aug 4, 2007 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you didn't answer my question

I know you get a lot of grief on this site for your criticism of MB, and I'm asking you, legitimately, whom you think is a good counter-example to Mack.  Either on the field or off.  

What type of coach, if not Mack, should we aspire to have?

by BrooklynHorn on Aug 3, 2007 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

another thing to crosscheck

might be the rivals 100 or whatever to see if this is an "elite football player" problem or a mack brown problem or something of both.

I know you want it to be a mack brown problem, but there are also elite guys that Mack recruited that turned sour elsewhere (rouse, perriloux, collins...)

by the other Andrew on Aug 3, 2007 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wish Baylor could recruit blue chip felons

The new OU satirical blog, LandThieves, dropped a pretty damn funny story on the UT jail time fiasco. Definitely made BearMeat chuckle.

UT and Joe Jamail Announce Innovative Donation

Sic 'Em? Why the hell not?

by BearMeat on Aug 3, 2007 4:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who is really to blame??

Before we criticize Mack Brown, we should take a closer look at these players. Personally, I am not too fond of Mack Brown, because I don't think he has the "IT" factor in terms of coaching. But I think he recruits relatively well (although I believe he can do better in state of Texas). And he is a decent coach. However, whatever these knuckleheads decided to do during the off-season and the outside of practices should not be blamed on the head coach.

Can one person be responsible for recruiting top 10 classes every year, managing the coaching staff, handle many other responsibilities as a head coach AND oversee the personal lives of 60-70 football players?

These dumbasses made mistakes, and they should suffer harsh punishments for messing up their college playing careers, disappointing fans, and threatening our chances of winning a NC this year. It is too bad that these talented guys are not going to be able to contribute to the team, but REMEMBER there are still plenty of talent in our roster as well. Our D-line has plenty of depth and talent and, barring injury,  our linebackers are also pretty damn good. I dont see our defense skipping a beat.

O who? and what kind of name is atm?

by hookemkp on Aug 3, 2007 5:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Indefinite Suspension

Does that make everybody feel a little bit better?

by Bob LaBlog on Aug 3, 2007 5:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Expected

This isn't so much a crisis in the program as it is a crisis of perception. I think most of us understand that these were kids gone awry, but the perception problem is something that doesn't go away unless you take it head on.

Hopefully Mack gets that.

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Aug 3, 2007 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I promise you

Mack is aware of that.

by BrooklynHorn on Aug 3, 2007 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mack's still at it

"I am extremely disappointed that four of our student-athletes have had issues with the law this summer. That is not reflective of the high standard of class, character and integrity we have established at Texas for many years. Its a shame that these recent events have generated a great deal of negative attention, because I do think that overall, this is as good of a group of kids that I've ever coached. I think that will show over time."

He's not doing himself any favors.  He just needs to say that this behavior will not be tolerated. And that's it. It's a stretch, I know, but his current posturing reminds me of Michael Dukakis and his politically correct response to a reporter's question about how he would react if his wife was raped. Instead of reacting with outrage, he responded like a politician. I'd be far happier if Mack got a little pissed off instead of giving these touchy-feely answers.

When SK was arrested and Mack first said we should focus on the 120 good apples instead of the 3 (now 4) bad ones, I posted that I agreed with his comments. But having read what other BON'ers have posted this week, I have to say that I've changed my mind. As others have said, playing for Texas is a priviledge, and all of our athletes are held to a higher standard. They have to be made aware of that, teenagers or not, and they have to be made aware there will be consequences if they screw up. And Mack can't have it both ways.  If he says he recruits good guys, and the team prides itself on the character of its athletes, then he has to be prepared for the increased scrutiny when one of those good guys goes bad.

As for Cyrus's comments on people piling on Dre and assuming guilt - I'm quite happy to allow the legal system to do its thing. But by remaining a fugitive for such an extended period, Dre compounded the impression that he'd done something wrong.

Officially a Limey Longhorn

by patienthornsfan on Aug 4, 2007 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely correct, Peter
I never will forget ol' what's-his-name.

by Horntod on Aug 3, 2007 5:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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