Another Horn on the Police Blotter
Bumped from the diaries. --PB--
From The Statesman:
Longhorn football player James Henry has been arrested on a pair of third-degree felony charges. He is accused of retaliating against victims who turned in a teammate for an alleged robbery.
Henry, a redshirt freshman who has played on special teams this season, is charged with "obstruction or retaliation" and "tampering or fabricating physical evidence." Combined, bail is set at $30,000. Henry was booked into jail at 3:59 p.m. Monday.
In their arrest affidavit, Austin police accuse the 19-year-old Henry of retaliating on behalf of teammate Robert Joseph, who was arrested July 27 on aggravated robbery charges. Joseph and teammate Andre Jones were charged with breaking in to a Southeast Austin apartment and robbing several people in the apartment.
Police say that Joseph called Henry the next day from jail, and their conversation was recorded. In that call, police say, Henry told Joseph that he’d gone to the scene of the robbery and confronted witnesses. "I went over there and whooped all them niggas last night, fool," Henry is quoted as saying in the recording, according to the arrest affidavit.
When police interviewed Henry and confronted him about the conversation, he admitted that he’d confronted the victims and gotten into a fight with them, the affidavit says.
Looks like Mack has a serious problem, as this incident makes 8 problems in the last 4 months.
I think Mack needs to instill a little Joe Pa team punishment. It always worked when I was in the ARMY.
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This comment from MorningsideHorns deserves front page attention. --PB--
The charges against Henry are serious – 3rd degree felony under sect. 36.06 of the TPC for the "obstruction or retaliation" charge. Perhaps the substance of his intentions was laudable – helping out a teammate. Of course, he more than negated any noble purpose through its Machiavellian and illegal execution. Further, the best time to help teammates is before the arrest, when criminal trends can be identified and neutered. Prevention is also the job of the coaches.
My aphorismic summary has shifted from "boys will be boys" to "starts at the top." The strongest indication of a coaching mismanagement is not the long and accelerating litany of charges, but the fact that early minor charges against one team member "compounded" into far more serious charges for other team members. Because the coaches and team did not properly handle the relatively minor charges, they guaranteed more serious subsequent charges. For example, the baffling first arrest of Joseph initiated a chain of events that culminated (I certainly hope that the team justifies the connotation of finality in this verb) in his second arrest, the arrest of Andre Jones, and now (according to radio news reports and ESPN) the arrest of Henry. Also, Gatewood’s charges both involved stupid activities while in the car with other team members.
How did the coaches fail?
In terms of failures to specifically instruct the players: After the first Joseph arrest, or perhaps even before the arrest when his problems began to surface, the older team members and the coaches should have met with the team to strongly instruct that the players 1) act lawfully at all times and 2) refrain from spending time with Joseph in any activity or at any time that could lead to criminal activity. After the Jones arrest, the coaches certainly should have expected that the police and prosecutor’s office would be contacting other players to investigate alibis and corroborate information. The coaches should have called in a legal expert, perhaps pulling from the generous and willing supply at the law school down the street, to explain to the players the importance of the criminal processes at work and the severe consequences of impairing those processes in any way.
In terms of failures to generally guide the players: There seems to be a strong correlation between respect for the law on the one hand and respect for oneself, family, team, and society on the other. Unsurprisingly, the lackadaisical play on the field - with difficulty finishing plays, sustaining intensity, and responding to adversity - parallels the string of arrests of UT players. Here is where collective punishments work even when stern verbal guidance has failed. Consider Penn State’s recent success and rankings climb in a sparkling-clean stadium. Instead, Mack Brown has publicly excused the team, apologized for the severity of the penalties imposed, and chastised the media for reporting on their coaching malfeasance.
As frustrating as the game-day scheming has been, the lack of disciplinary guidance is even more serious.
--MorningsideHorns--
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no way
i feel like we're the bengals
by abcdmetrius on Sep 18, 2007 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and you know what
our season seems to be playing out just like theirs was
lots of expectations
too many distractions
think colt goes carson palmer and says enough is enough?
think anyone does? pleeeeeeeease
by abcdmetrius on Sep 18, 2007 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Two 3rd Degree Felonies?
Looks like this young man has a promising future as a hip-hop artist.
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lame
You meant "rap" artist, right?
by Kool Hand on Sep 18, 2007 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Sounds the Same
Call it what you like...it all sounds like sh*t to me.
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Chuck Whitman
Once again, why did you pick "Chuck Whitman" as your handle?
by Old Tex29 on Sep 18, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk to / Blame my folks
Of course, my real name is Charles, but I go by Chuck to try to slide by (unfortunately, most 'Horns fans pick-up on it).
...my parents were Aggies with a truly dark, dark sense of humor. However, as a 'Horns fan, I am hopefully reversing the trend.
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Seriously
None of us would be calling you out on it, had you not used the entire name for your Sign-On.
by Shake on Sep 18, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa...
If you think my parents were hard on me, they named my other brothers Freddie Steinmark, and Craig Curry!
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You, sir, are a moron.
And have a very odd and sedistic sense of humor.
I'm calling B.S. on you and your "name".
by YouDontKnowMe on Sep 18, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
My parents named my sister Freda after Fred Akers...like I said, REAL SICK PEOPLE!
YDKM, if you are going to call people names, and attempt to insult their intelligence, at least learn how to spell sadistic.
You must be an OU grad.
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Said it once
Here it is . Don't want to repeat myself, but no way in hell your name is Charles Whitman, and you use it as your handle.
Even if it is, go fucking change it!
by Cyrus on Sep 18, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not So...
The handle is Chuck Whitman...no compromise, no change.
...peace, brotha!
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the over under
on days until CW here gets banned?
by Wells on Sep 18, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calm down, sir
Cyrus - relax a little, please. I can't let people yell at each other like that. Chuck's name is Chuck's name. Please just ignore it if it bothers you.
Thanks.
by Peter Bean on Sep 18, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter
Please reconsider. In no way is Chuck Whitman an appropriate name.
by Old Tex29 on Sep 18, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done
Chuck - you've got a new name. Sorry.
by Peter Bean on Sep 18, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still new around here
but is there some way to ban trolls like this? He is in no way humerous and it is rather obvious by some of his posts that he is just trying to cause problems.
by YouDontKnowMe on Sep 18, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and humerous
was for you, chucky
by YouDontKnowMe on Sep 18, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cyrus?
Cyrus! Cyrus?!
Please never make fun of my name again.
But seriously,
My parents named my youngest brother Ron McKelvey.
Yep, Ron McKelvey Whitman.
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've been warned
Seriously, I'm too busy to police this crap right now. Be respectful in this forum, please.
That goes for everyone.
by Peter Bean on Sep 18, 2007 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone relax a little
If Chuck causes community problems, we'll handle it like we always do.
Chuck, I urge you to read the community guidelines. Differing opinions are welcome here, but be careful how you tread. This community is a positive one. Treat everyone with respect.
Everyone else - just ignore someone you don't like. If a real problem arises, it'll be handled.
by Peter Bean on Sep 18, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on the team punishment
Some of these individuals just may not be able to understand the risk/reward of their inappropriate actions, but they will definitely understand when their team mates say stop it or else.
by Wells on Sep 18, 2007 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY!!!!
It's time for team wide punishment when one of the players f*cks up. There is no other way around it--cleaning the stadium, cleaning Jester bathrooms, sweeping sidewalks on campus, etc is what needs to start happening for the entire team when something like this happens.
by EyesOTexas on Sep 18, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 players since the National Championship.
Things are not looking so good.
by YouDontKnowMe on Sep 18, 2007 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fucking ridiculous.
Kirk Bohls was on 790 this morning talking about how UT has 9 compliance officers (to regulate in matters such as Billy Pittman's car problem). Compliance is nice, but shit like DUI's and felonies have got to be more serious than borrowing a friend's car. Mack, DeLoss and co. need to get someone on this, stat. Players getting arrested and throwing away their futures are much more important than not being able to score in the redzone.
by jc25 on Sep 18, 2007 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Too many problems
Mack's ship is definitely in trouble if these charges are true/sustained. There is no way a program with the track record of Texas has this many off-field problems in such a short time without someone turning a blind eye to some of the activities these kids are engaging in. I know Mack recurits good kids normally, but this is just getting out of hand. Mack needs to step in fast and hard to reign in these kids. I know kids will make mistakes, but when these "mistakes" include DUIs, drugs, and now felonies, something is wrong with the program not just the players. Someone is not providing sufficient guidance, laying down the law, and enforcing the rules. This lack of oversight falls squarely on Mack's shoulders. Punish the players and the team, but Mack needs to step up as well.
by texas ex ohio on Sep 18, 2007 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why Punish the Team?
Why punish the entire team for the actions of one person?
Obviously, the remaining players (who have not been arrested) understand the value of staying out of trouble. Why punish them?
Further, the individual in question has not been convicted of anything. An arrest certainly does not equate to a conviction.
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it's not the actions of one person.
This is an unfortunate and embarassing trend and it would appear that this type of behavior has engrained itself in the culture of our football team. In most of these instances it has not been one person, it has been several players and/or ex-players together. They need to hold each other accountable.
We need to turn this around now, or get used to the "Bonghorns" and "Can't spell THUG without UT" jabs from rivals.
by 16thLonghorn on Sep 18, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about punishing those responsible?
Here is a novel idea...
- Kick them off the team (permanently);
- Take their scholarships;
- Recruit new players;
- Repeat #1-3 as needed.
Personally, I wouldn't base team dicsipline on the possibility that our rivals will make fun of us. They will probably do so anyway (after all, they are our rivals).
Further, I don't think you punish the Colt McCoys, J. Charles, Tony Hills, and Chris Halls based upon the actions of a few thugs (assuming the charges are true).
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Punishing the others
The best teams look out for each other on & off the field. Obviously, no one is stepping up and truly leading this team from the inside. Sometimes, people have to "be punished" in such a manner in order to spark such leadership.
Like 15th said, it is a cultural/systematic problem...not just an isolated incident. And if they don't shift the culture quickly, we will soon be challenging the Bengals & Canes for their off-the-field records.
by Shake on Sep 18, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
How do you know that the leaders of this team haven't taken those actions?
Are you a member of this team?
How many team meetings have you sat-in on?
Back when I played Junior High Football in Rhode Island, our coach would have never punished the entire team for the actions of a few.
And, as a result, we won...big!
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaders
If the real team leaders had already taken action, these things would not still be ocurring. At least not with this severity and frequency. So either there are no leaders, or those who try to be leaders are not followed.
And Rhode Island junior high football is EXACTLY like UTexas football. You got us there.
by BigTexBD on Sep 18, 2007 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Straight
RI football is extremely competitive. We had 2 guys from 1 Junior High team that played at Brown.
Even though I was not very good, I can still cheer for a championship team, and live vicariously through great football players by blogging, watching football on TV, and living my life around the 'Horns (much like many of the members on this site).
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And where is your coach now?
by 16thLonghorn on Sep 18, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
...he has retired.
And he is a member of the Rhode Island Coaching Hall of Fame.
Coach Reccion'
Ol' Hugh G. was on helluva coach!
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we've tried that.
Obviously the motives behind team discipline is not to keep our rivals from "making fun of us."
The point of my comment...
We need to turn this around now, or get used to the "Bonghorns" and "Can't spell THUG without UT" jabs from rivals.
...is that when outsiders look at our school, this is what they see now. It used to be "Hey tea-sip" and "Longhorns are snobs", now it's "Where's your gun?" The point is that this is ruining our reputation and it is embarassing. That's not us. That's not Texas.
The point of team discipline would be to make the players accountable, not only for their actions but also the actions of their teammates. We've tried steps 1-3 in several instances. Maybe we need to try something new.
It may not be the Colt McCoys, J. Charles, Tony Hills, etc. that are breaking the rules, but perhaps a little team punishment will wake these guys up and get them to show some leadership.
by 16thLonghorn on Sep 18, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
It is true that there are players on the team who have done nothing wrong or illegal. However, punishing only those responsible hasn't seemed to work up to this point. If you punish the rest of the team, they could at least help police their teammates. I'm not talking about suspending the entire team, but extra conditioning is not a bad idea.
by YouDontKnowMe on Sep 18, 2007 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
...and since Mack Brown recruited these guys, maybe he should run some laps, too.
Since Delo$$ is the AD, maybe he should get some extra "punishment."
Since DKR is Mack's mentor, let's punish him. Seriously, DKR should be punished for leaving Earl in the Wishbone, and losing to Barry Switzer three years in a row, but...
Personally, I think GD should just be punished.
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
soo...
If you were part of an organization in which the manager/boss punished everybody for the mistakes of a few, wouldn't you try to help straighten those few out so they don't make more mistakes? Or would you just let it slide and continue to be punished when someone else does something wrong?
If you don't try to help your colleagues, that's a serious weakness.
by BigTexBD on Sep 18, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I would expect the boss to have the balls to permanently get rid of the few (no more of this indefinite garbage), and not punish the majority.
To punish the starters on this team when a few non-starting thugs (assuming any of these charges are true) is crazy.
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're wrong here, Chuck
At some point, these guys need to live and die together as a team. We need a team attitude where I know that I'm not just letting down myself; I'm letting down my teammates.
Team accountability can be a powerful tool. It's absolutely worth considering.
by Peter Bean on Sep 18, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you know what?
Mack DID get rid of one of the bad seeds. He kicked Joseph off the team back in the summer. But simply because he's off the team doesn't keep other players from hanging out with him.
What's left for Mack to do? He has to let everyone know he means business. I guarantee you that if everyone gets punished for the next mistake, leaders will step up to set the others in line, because those leaders won't want to be doing extra work because of the mistakes of others.
by BigTexBD on Sep 18, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all know...
Mack is a softie. The dude is the ultimate politician. In no way am I advocating "punishing" Mack Brown, but what do you think would happen if this happened to one of Bobby Knight's teams?
Mack has to put his foot down and implement some even stricter rules. The Horns are a TEAM and they need to live and die as a TEAM. Fuck...where's Vince Young?
by roywilliamsisgod on Sep 18, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....
Longhorn07 never spent a day in a military boot camp as this is EXACTLY how punishment is doled out and it works.
by TXHorn on Sep 18, 2007 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
Joseph would likely have been a starter this season, and Dre Jones was on the fast track to it. So I'm gonna go ahead and call you out on "To punish the starters...."
by BigTexBD on Sep 18, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
...my grandmother would like to be a starter, too.
By your logic, should we punish her, and thefore, punish the starters?
Dre Jones a starter? Nice try. But, no.
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot the ly
it makes a difference.
by Wells on Sep 18, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this has officially gone too far
I can handle a DWI or a minor possesion charge when that is all that is going on. Felonies are a whole 'nother ball game. The team needs to institute a true zero tolerance stance - no more 3 game suspension for minor run-ins. It's either season long suspensions or kick them off the team completely. This is sending the wrong message to recruits, students, alumni, and fans and tarnishing this team's image and UT's reputation.
We question some of Mack and the coaching staff's decisions on the field from time to time, but Mack needs to make the right choice here.
This team has some great potential and is not far away from being able to contend. I never believed 2007 was going to be that year, I felt like if we built the foundation this year there could be a title run next year. However, with the types of issues and distractions we are having we are putting this in some serious jeopardy. Please Mack, do the right thing and put this team on the right track once again.
by BMG on Sep 18, 2007 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree - it was already disturbing
...now it's serious. Mack's somewhat soft stance has obviously resonated with the team. They don't fear any consequences for their actions. And these charges, of retaliation and tampering with evidence of an already documented crime, is blatant disregard for the team and it's members. Combine this with what may be a below-par season, and suddenly recruiting becomes an issue. I agree that you don't want to recruit those likely to have behavior issues (like Jermie Calhoun), but it rings hollow when you have players you can't reasonably control in-house already. I'm not saying you can stop everything, but we all agree this stinks of bad control.
Mack's smiling "family" speech in the living room of a recruit is going to look like BS to Mom and Dad in the future. A good parent that's looking after their children wouldn't put up with this crap. Mack needs to step up to preserve his reputation and return the pride we once had in his convictions.
by JT Longhorn on Sep 18, 2007 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mack is famous for
leading the trend of early recruiting...I wonder if this could be part of our problem of the declining character of signees? Are we too quick to offer?
by ClassofEarl on Sep 18, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to espn
Police learned of Henry's involvement from Joseph's phone calls from jail.
Austin police learned of Henry's involvement by listening to taped recordings of Joseph's phone calls from jail, said Det. Anthony Bigongiari.
During the investigation of the robbery, one of the victims told police that some of Joseph's friends had assaulted them. In one of the taped phone calls, Henry said he "went over there and whupped" one of the victims, throwing them on the ground and punching and kicking them in the head several times, Bigongiari said.
Henry, who did not participate in the robbery, was charged with tampering because police believe he disposed of a backpack containing items stolen in the home invasion, Bigongiari said.
by Kool Hand on Sep 18, 2007 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Coaching Failure
The charges against Henry are serious – 3rd degree felony under sect. 36.06 of the TPC for the "obstruction or retaliation" charge. Perhaps the substance of his intentions was laudable – helping out a teammate. Of course, he more than negated any noble purpose through its Machiavellian and illegal execution. Further, the best time to help teammates is before the arrest, when criminal trends can be identified and neutered. Prevention is also the job of the coaches.
My aphorismic summary has shifted from "boys will be boys" to "starts at the top." The strongest indication of a coaching mismanagement is not the long and accelerating litany of charges, but the fact that early minor charges against one team member "compounded" into far more serious charges for other team members. Because the coaches and team did not properly handle the relatively minor charges, they guaranteed more serious subsequent charges. For example, the baffling first arrest of Joseph initiated a chain of events that culminated (I certainly hope that the team justifies the connotation of finality in this verb) in his second arrest, the arrest of Andre Jones, and now (according to radio news reports and ESPN) the arrest of Henry. Also, Gatewood’s charges both involved stupid activities while in the car with other team members.
How did the coaches fail?
In terms of failures to specifically instruct the players: After the first Joseph arrest, or perhaps even before the arrest when his problems began to surface, the older team members and the coaches should have met with the team to strongly instruct that the players 1) act lawfully at all times and 2) refrain from spending time with Joseph in any activity or at any time that could lead to criminal activity. After the Jones arrest, the coaches certainly should have expected that the police and prosecutor’s office would be contacting other players to investigate alibis and corroborate information. The coaches should have called in a legal expert, perhaps pulling from the generous and willing supply at the law school down the street, to explain to the players the importance of the criminal processes at work and the severe consequences of impairing those processes in any way.
In terms of failures to generally guide the players: There seems to be a strong correlation between respect for the law on the one hand and respect for oneself, family, team, and society on the other. Unsurprisingly, the lackadaisical play on the field - with difficulty finishing plays, sustaining intensity, and responding to adversity - parallels the string of arrests of UT players. Here is where collective punishments work even when stern verbal guidance has failed. Consider Penn State’s recent success and rankings climb in a sparkling-clean stadium. Instead, Mack Brown has publicly excused the team, apologized for the severity of the penalties imposed, and chastised the media for reporting on their coaching malfeasance.
As frustrating as the game-day scheming has been, the lack of disciplinary guidance is even more serious.
by MorningsideHorns on Sep 18, 2007 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you have some inside information...
I am extremely curious how you seem to know what the coaches have done and have not done in response to the various charges against the players. Your posting assumes that the coaching staff has not done as you suggest. How do you know that? The Texas football program is a multi-million dollar operation with access to attorneys, PR folks, compliance officers, etc. I can't believe that these players were not told to disassociate themselves with the wrongdoers and to refrain from committing any acts.
by jwill on Sep 18, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if they did?
Whatever they did hasn't worked. We've tip toed around this for four months now, noting Mack's strong record in the past, and so on.
But this is getting absurd. Totally, totally absurd.
It's time to be asking the hard questions instead of assuming that the staff is doing enough.
by Peter Bean on Sep 18, 2007 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its the same incident involving three guys
Everyone is acting as if the Henry incident is something separate and apart. Here's what happened. Joseph (who had already been kicked off the team) and Jones apparently rob an apartment. Jones is immediately suspended indefinitely. Shortly thereafter, Henry allegedly retaliates against witnesses. Henry will be suspended indefinitely. Kindle and Melton were DUI - irresponsible, but could happen to any college kid. They are getting a second chance, but won't get a third.
Again, we are not privy to what goes on in the athletics department - what background checks are done on players, what players are told, how players are punished, etc. Despite all possible controls, sometimes, things like this are going to happen. We have been fortunate that nothing like this has happened for a while - we're in a wave now - Mack has always had a clean program and we have to have faith that he will continue.
by jwill on Sep 18, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morningside
You should consider emailing your statement to Deloss. Seriously. It may seem like an exercise in futility, but its possible he will read it and reply.
I emailed him once last season, when we were all talking about scheduling. Both Texas and Georgia had an open date in week 1 of this season, and I thought it would be a good idea to schedule it. Wouldn't you know it, I got a reply from Deloss himself. He thanked me for my interest and passion (I came off as being very emotional and adamant about it), but said the vacancy had already been filled (and was yet to be released).
I also mentioned how I abhorred the intro video on the godzillatron with all the longhorns running into the stadium and turning into running longhorn heads after being zapped by lasers coming from ricky's and earl's eyes. That got some attention, too, but is another story.
Let him know off the bat that you're a concerned student/alumnus/fan (booster?) and you can speak for a majority of your fellow students/alumni/fans. We all agree with what you've said here. He will listen.
by BigTexBD on Sep 18, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTBD's suggestion
It's a good one Morningside. Let me know if you want to add names of supporters to the bottom of such an e-mail.
by Shake on Sep 18, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Suggestion
I'd never before thought about e-mailing Dodds. It's good to know that he cares about the alumni/fans/supporters enough to reply. I've sent several e-mails to the House Judiciary Committee - suggesting creative ways to respond to contempt of Congress/perjury violations without relying on the Department of Justice - and I've yet to receive a response or, better yet, see my suggestions implemented to restore Congress' institutional competence...I'll stop on this topic now, b/c I could go all day talking about it.
With UT athletics also, the goal would be to provide suggestions for improving the state of the program and its national reputation. For that goal, I would write something somewhat different from what's posted above. For example, perhaps the entire athletics department could use a comprehensive policy for responding to arrests/criminal activity. Does such a policy already exist in written form? If not, the athletics department could draft and implement one that draws input from team parents, players, coaches, legal experts on criminal procedure and student privacy, juvenile/young adult crime psychologists, actual prosecutors and police, school officials, major UT donors, major athletics donors, student body, the media, and maybe some other interested parties - like a BON contingent. The policy would include guidance not only for team-imposed penalties, but also for "debriefing" of the other members of the team to ensure that they respond positively to the arrest and move forward. A strong policy would certainly help off the field and in the players' lives, but it would also help their on-field performance as well - fewer distractions, fewer suspended players, better recruiting power, etc. Importantly, it would also better support the image of UT and the student body, Texas citizens/taxpayers, and fans whom the athletes represent.
Of course, no policy could constrain the coaches in their leadership. Rather, the policy and the expert input it contains would provide information on the range of possible reactions, guidance on the implementation of those reactions, and some baseline penalties to impose.
Would a suggestion like this help the team? Would anyone else support such an e-mail to Dodds?
by MorningsideHorns on Sep 18, 2007 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in
If you are planning to do it and would like the name of a stakeholder, just let me know. I'm sure many others would follow.
Just guessing, you'd probably want us to send you anything applicable of the following:
Name(s)
Grad year & degree
Season Ticket holder?
-if so, which sport(s), how long, seat #'s, etc.
Contact info?
by Shake on Sep 18, 2007 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in too
As an alumni, Longhorn Foundation Donor, and season ticket holder, I feel we should be able to say something. We can only look the other way for so long. This isn't about piss poor play calling or betting burned deep, this is the reputation of our beloved University.
DAMN IT! WE ARE TEXAS AND DEMAND BETTER CONDUCT FROM THOSE WHO REPRESENT OUR UNIVERSITY. THE EYES OF TEXAS (AND THE NATION) ARE ON US!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Bevoboy94 on Sep 18, 2007 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reiterate:
STOP.
DOING.
ILLEGAL.
THINGS.
by Horn Brain on Sep 18, 2007 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh.......
....looks like my "Worst Case" scenario from yesterday is coming true.
I say Mack makes the entire team move into the practice bubble and sleep on cots (like the Tri Lams after the Alpha Betas took over their house in Revenge of The Nerds) for the rest of the semester, take away their car keys and set a 9:00 curfew.
by 16thLonghorn on Sep 18, 2007 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"I went over there and whooped all them niggas...
...last night, fool."
Great quote!
Real genius!
You've got to put that quote right-up there with "dance with who brung ya" and "only three things can happen when you throw the football and two are bad."
How about a player-authored follow-up to "DKR Talks Football"...
"James Henry Talks Football"
Hell, if I was one of Mr. Henry's teammates, I wouldn't want that idiot on my team.
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Make us Proud" campaign
Should count for the team, not just the fans.
by BMG on Sep 18, 2007 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That right there...
... ranks as one my my all-time favorite comments. It just summarizes the situation so well: the arrests and the denial by Mack. Well done sir. Well done.
by Longhorn13 on Sep 18, 2007 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happened to earn the right..
correct me if i'm wrong but isn't the slogan of the year is EARN THE RIGHT..? meaning earn the right to put on the texas longhorns jersey and represent the great state of texas and its long and rich history it really makes me sick. all i can say is DAMN, i used to hang out and play football with james when i lived out in shertz tx. we used to play pick up games with all the kids in the nieghborhood. never would've thought he would be among all the thugs.
by kcc28 on Sep 18, 2007 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
last year
I thought 'Earn the Right' was the theme for the 2006-2007 season. Help anyone?
by Speedway on Sep 18, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last season
was "Do what you do" or something like that.
I think they should go back to "Take Dead Aim," it worked out pretty well that year. If it ain't broke...
by SelimSivad on Sep 18, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if it's in the works....
but MB needs to make a statement on the "State of the Team". We as alumni and fans deserve to know what is going to happen going forward. I have always had a thought in the back of my mind that there were issues that MB swept under the rug and quietly let the person leave the team with dignity and not cause disgrace to the program. This whole process seems to have backfired and now the crimes have escalated. When you are in the "county", it gets hard to cover up the issue any more.
by Bevoboy94 on Sep 18, 2007 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Inside Info
I have received information from an inside source that a number of former Longhorn Football lettermen are planning to address the team, and speak with the current players about their responsibilities to the program, and to the Texas tradition.
Developing...
by Longhorn07 on Sep 18, 2007 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mack talking the talk...
...but right now I would rather see action.
From an SI.com article
Brown said he is disappointed that the arrests have embarrassed the program but challenged the notion that Texas is riddled with problems.
"Young people who do not obey the law, university or team rules will continue to be disciplined with a stern hand and we will move forward. We continue to have a zero tolerance policy in that regard," Brown said. "I will put our long-term record of character up against anyone, and that's why these situations upset me so much."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/09/18/bc.fbc.t25.texas.player.ap/index.html
by texas ex ohio on Sep 18, 2007 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF !
This must now be classified as a leadership and discipline issue. No longer can we chalk it up to a couple of bad apples. Everything surrounding this issue with Joseph, Jones, and now Henry makes several things very clear. Number One, Mack does not have a firm hand on the ship, or a finger on the pulse of the team. I have heard some say that the leadership issue falls on the upperclassmen as well, which is absurd. While the upperclassmen may have an idea of what is going on with the youngsters in Manhattan Kansas, that idea holds no water in a town the size of Austin. This issue rest squarely at the feet of Mack Brown. Number two, Mack is not involved on a personal level with the team. Number three, it is becoming obvious that players do not fear him, or respect the team at all.
Publicly, Mack has handled this completely wrong. Making statements like the bs he threw out today, "I wish the police would have notified me in July", is embarrasing. I have also noticed this year in some of the statements Mack has made, that he is frustrated with the media and fanbase because we are not gushing over 3-0. The comment "I guess 34-10 in the fourth quarter is not good enough around here" speaks volumes. Guess what Mack! Perhaps the fans and media have sensed a lack of leadership or direction this year. The off-field fiasco's and the on-field play seem to bear that out just a little.
Memo to Mack: The Austin Police Dept. has no business calling you about a crime that is under investigation involving one of your players. That would be inapropriate and moreover, pretty stupid from their perspective! You have failed to instill a real and present fear that you are willing and able to yank scholarships and expell players from the team permanently - at the drop of a hat. Your use of kid gloves with regards to discipline is moving the program in the wrong direction. Your team is undisciplined on & off the field. Your players don't even fear losing their starting positions over sub-par play (See J. Charles quotes after the UCF debacle). Quite frankly, the old "soft" label is quickly returning. Gone are the Chiziks, Robinson's, and Tomey's. It is past time for you exhibit a strong leadership and lay down the law. That means pulled scholarhips, expulsions from the team, and losing starting jobs. This is Texas - and 2005 was a long time ago Mack !
by jbob on Sep 18, 2007 1:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this is horseshit.
can the board of regents revoke an extension? maybe messing with mack's own bottom line can get him to take this shit seriously. we're texas...we're like miami used to be...except not as good on the field. what an embarrasment.
by mattw on Sep 18, 2007 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
we should totally just fire Mack right now.
by Wells on Sep 18, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh please..
Did he say that???
by HornChamps on Sep 18, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I was using sarcasm to point out my feeling that revoking Mack's extension is a over reaction.
Setting that kind of president would make it very hard to get top quality coaching talent to want to coach at the University of Texas.
by Wells on Sep 18, 2007 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that's what's important
you know...instead of not fostering a culture of thuggery. who the fuck cares who's coaching here if nearly 10 dudes are gonna start getting arrested every year?
and it's precedent.
by mattw on Sep 18, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt
If we did what you wanted, Mack would leave, no other coach would come here, we would get some bottom of the barrel coach who could give two shits about his players, and we would continue to have player issues, but no one would care because we are the bottom dweller of the Big 12.
But at least we arn't fostering a culture of thuggery.
There are a lot of steps that need to be taken before we are even close to talking about finding a new head coach. And don't kid yourself that you can take back a contract extention and not be looking for a new head coach.
Thanks for the correction, I guess I should pay more attention to the suggested word on the spell check, but I bet it made you feel smart.
by Wells on Sep 19, 2007 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silver Lining? - Mistaken Identity?
A few lingering questions regarding the Jones arrest never really made sense. The AAS is speculating that the Henry arrest solves the confusion over the identity of the 6'2" 220+ pound accomplice of Joseph. Is it possible that Henry alone committed the acts for which Jones was arrested? I certainly hope so, and I also hope that if so, Henry and his attorney have the honor to provide to Jones the exculpatory evidence that he had difficulty obtaining from surveillance videos.
by MorningsideHorns on Sep 18, 2007 1:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
certainly possible
Jones was (and still is) persistent in his innocence and that this was indeed mistaken ID. IF he truly was guilty he wouldn't have put up a fight with the DA to begin with.
by BigTexBD on Sep 18, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Minds?
As soon as this story (Henry) was posted, I started pondering the same details. Plus, add in the fact that Henry knew the location where he needed to go back to do some "whoopin".
Like Johnson said, then innocent need to be cleared (quickly).
by Shake on Sep 18, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes sense
also from the statesman:
The victims told police that Henry had come up to them and asked, "Who narked on us?"
They said that Henry tried to get into a fight with one of the men, 18-year-old Andre Swain, and told him, "Bitches deserve to get kicked, so that’s what I am going to do!" The witnesses said that Henry then kicked Swain six or seven times in the head and punched him repeatedly.
Using the word "us" is interesting... his bio on MB-TF says his nickname is J-Hen, and the original report said they were looking for somebody who went by "Dre", which is kinda similar to "J." Also, his favorite superhero is Pootie Tang.
by SelimSivad on Sep 18, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pootie Tang
was hilarious as a sketch on the Chris Rock show.
But why someone thought that could be stretched out into a movie is beyond me. Ranks up there with the decision to make Stewart Smiley into a movie.
by Wells on Sep 18, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign yo panny on the runny kine....
....SHA DA TEY!!!
by 16thLonghorn on Sep 18, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dre is Andre Jones.
The linemen from El Paso. He was a Parade All American, Army All Star, and would have been a stud. Now, he's an 18 year old felon.
by the1austin on Sep 18, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got that
we're discussing the possibility that he was actually not involved, as he claims. You know, mistaken identity?
by SelimSivad on Sep 18, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dang....
if that account is at all accurate, doesn't it sound like Henry's original commitment to OU should have been the right choice after all?????
maybe he decommitted because somebody told him Switzer had left.....................
by agent orange on Sep 18, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a recurring problem - SEE N.Carolina
Just looking at the 1997 roster, there were 7 players that were charged with assault, one for felony sex offense, one for larceny and one for possession of marijuana. There may be more but some of the links are so slow that I lost patience. Not all were arrested that year--some a year or two later--but they all played for, or were recruited, by Mack.
Here we ago again........
by HornChamps on Sep 18, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What can Mack do?
He has given severe punishments to those who have screwed up (Melton and Kindle's three game suspensions would likely have been a 1 game anywhere else, but Mack stepped it up to appease the media and to "send a message" to the team. Have any of these players committed crime before they were Horns? As long as Mack isn't recruiting the Willie Williams' of the world, he is doing his best. This is more than a coaches responsibility, where are these kids parents?
by the1austin on Sep 18, 2007 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One good thing...
An earlier diary asked for the nickname of the Texas Defense, since apparently Desert Swarm was unacceptable. Moreover, it'd be like Tomlinson's egregious stealing of the nickname LT.
Anyways, from the genius that is EDSBS:
"Texas defense! Bitches deserve to get kicked!"
So there it is. We don't need no Texas Swarm or Texas Stampede or whatever. It's simple. Bitches deserved to get kicked.
by jc25 on Sep 18, 2007 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What I always find interesting
is looking at these kids short bio from signing day. These are, for the most part, "good kids".
Robert Joseph "has been on the honor roll since his Soph year (in h.s.)"
James Henry "assisted with local Katrina victims as a prepster ... participated in the PALs program ... assisted on youth camping trips and helped feed the homeless through his church"
Dre Jones "earned a place on the honor roll as a senior ... spent time reading at various elementary schools in El Paso ... enjoys helping others"
Whether they "fed the homeless" only once or every week, I dont know. Bad kids usually wont even do it once.
The team needs to be in their rooms at 11pm and earn their way out of curfew.
by the other Andrew on Sep 18, 2007 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
We snubbed one of the top RB's for 2008 b/c of character issues giving him an incentive to go to OU and then we became the "poster" child for mug shots??? What can Mack do about it? How about him kicking some @ss?!? What's done is done but set the ultimate standard now meaning a team infraction = off the team and transferring to Sam Houston State! Grow a pair already.
I've said it before but as an alum I am REALLY tired of defending our alma mater. It's now a trend and impossible to defend. Assign teammates to be responsible for one another an institute some collective punishment. Hell - we had that in high-school band (yeah - bring on the band geek jabber). What? Are high-school band rules too tough for these guys? Give me a break.
by CyHorn770 on Sep 18, 2007 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Comment #100
Just wanted to add to HC's comment that this is a recurring problem...
September 2006
Longhorns Tarell Brown, Tyrell Gatewood, and former player Aaron Harris are arrested on drug charges.May 2006
Former Texas running back Ramonce Taylor was arrested in Bell County on the charge of possession of marijuana. He is awaiting trial. Taylor had already been dropped from the team.December 2005
Austin police investigated Longhorn players Cedric Griffin and Ramonce Taylor after an assault and robbery near Sixth St. on Dec. 10. The two players were not charged. Head coach Mack Brown said some players violated curfew and were disciplined.October 2003
Cedric Benson was charged with criminal trespassing. Benson pleaded no contest and served his sentence.May 2003
Four players, including Aaron Harris, Larry Dibbles and Selvin Young, were arrested for possession of marijuana. Those charges were later dropped.January 2000
Four players, including Kwame Cavil and Aaron Humphrey were suspended from the team for violating unspecified team rules. Texas would lose the Cotton Bowl to Arkansas.
Two points, though:
- I'm not sure how this compares to other major collegiate programs. It's possible that the USCs and OUs of the world have similar problems.
- For the most part, these crimes are pretty minor. I believe only Ramonce's was a felony (since he had something like 3.9 lbs of weed). I think Benson's was a misdemeanor, as he broke into an apartment to take back something he thought was rightfully his.
So there's that. It's worth noting that there's been only two real bad apples, Joseph and Henry (assuming both are found guilty), and one that we all believe to be innocent, Dre Jones. The DUI's and possession are, while not smart, more commonplace in a collegiate atmosphere. Not that there's anything right with that.
by jc25 on Sep 18, 2007 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad apples
I think we can throw Gatewood into that category. This is his second run-in with the law. True he did test cleanly for the first one. But I don't see a similar result for this one. In addition, he is now implicating new players into his ways and putting them in bad situations, not just himself. He seriously lacks judgment.
by BigTexBD on Sep 18, 2007 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether this is as bad as it seems
is almost irrelevant to the PR damage it is doing, to the general and sustained conclusions with each new image.
We can differentiate the details and even make a fair case that one case with Joseph and Henry is much worse than the incidental run-ins. But to the general public it is a steady erosion of the feeling from 2005. And it is not the kind of problem where a high dollar PR campaign can turn around. The program has a shadow of illegality, justified or not.
I have felt some of the police actions have been suspicious and borderline illegal over the last three years and they have indeed had some problems. But Joseph and Henry are really outside that sphere of consideration.
I'm somewhat surprised the UT administration itself hasn't launched an investigation into how that happened, how it came to be, what misjudgments were made along the line leading up to the key events. Because this has an impact not just on the Horns but on the university as a whole; they capitalized on the attention of the MNC as much as the team did.
Even the keynote speaker at graduation last May noted that Houston had made one of the greatest mistakes in the history of the state by not drafting VY. When you have the academic side sharing in the glow, then you can expect the chill to reach them, too.
So, the laudable move to action for MB prevalent on this threat is certainly felt in a more widespread manner than for most football related matters.
There's a lot of Eyes out there on this. This is a different kind of hot seat for Mack. His MNC honeymoon is officially over.
by whills on Sep 18, 2007 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Code Reds
What this team needs is a few Code Reds. Thirty years ago, team leaders knew how to exact some punishment behind Gregory Gym that no team member was able to forget.
by HornChamps on Sep 18, 2007 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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try and babelfish that shit...no one needs the shit beaten out of them. this isn't the junction boys.
by mattw on Sep 18, 2007 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this isn't the damn marines, HC
it's a football team.
the second you start comparing sports to the military or to war is the second that you lose all perspective on both.
by billyzane on Sep 18, 2007 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have perspective on war?
I thought it was eternal.
Everything I know comes from YA Tittle, 7 TD passes one game. It wasn't war but it was hell for DBs.
by whills on Sep 18, 2007 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of hand...
I've been busy all day, and this is the first I've had a chance to get on BON today.
This is getting, flat out, ridiculous.
I know this arrest is stemming from the Joseph/Jones fiasco, but in the public mind it doesnt matter. This is complete madness.
2 months ago (approx), I was giving this Husker friend of mine the business for Nebraska suspending Purify for ONLY 1 game, the Nevada game. I was like "Texas suspended their DUI guys for 3 games".
Now?!? I'm speechless. Our image as a University is like that of Miami and Va Tech. Thugs and punks. Book 'em Horns and Bonghorns is getting out of hand.
by bleed burnt orange on Sep 18, 2007 11:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dont forget Florida St
They should be listed in there as well.
by Wells on Sep 19, 2007 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penalty suggestions...
I'm all for harsh penalties and punishing the TEAM.
Kick these guys OFF the team, period.
For misdemeanors, 1-3 game suspensions for first timers...season for repeat offenders...off the team for any more than 2.
For felonies, off the team...Goodbye.
Please instill a drug test. 100%, monthly. If you come up positive, suspended for the season. 2nd time, goodbye.
As for punishing the team, cleaning seats Nittany Lion style is too cheesy and doesnt look like it will do anything. Especially not for our image.
I'm one bad article away from saying, "DAMNIT, TAKE AWAY OUR 2007 BOWL GAME". Maybe that will clean it up...FAST.
At the very least it will say we, As a University/Fanbase, do not approve with the current "culture" of this team.
by bleed burnt orange on Sep 18, 2007 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cleaning seats
After one day of cleaning seats in the student sections at DKR, those players would not ever step out of line again. Do you know how many people throw up their jim beam & coke there?
by BigTexBD on Sep 19, 2007 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
My friend is in the NROTC...they get the lucky job of cleaning the stadium after football games, and disgusting-ness abounds.
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