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Who's Your Longhorn Piñata?

Everyone's got a Longhorn piñata - that one player or coach to whom you administer a prostate exam after each play, each game. Some Longhorns are Hall of Fame piñatas, like our friend pictured to the right here, who must have felt thoroughly prison raped by the time he left campus. Our offensive coordinator (hell, every team's offensive coordinator) is a perennial piñata for the masses to beat.

But beyond the obvious scapegoats, most fans find a guy each season who they can't watch without seeing the bad in his play. Your piñata scores a touchdown? The defender obviously left him wide open. Hits the clutch three? "About frackin' time."

This is your thread to share with the rest of us your Longhorn piñatas over the years.

I'll give you a personal example to start this fiesta: Dusty Mangum. Strike one: his name was Dusty, which is fine for one of the Three Amigos but wholly inappropriate for a football player. Strike two: the girls who knew nothing about football absolutely loved him. Strike three: he celebrated like a damn Grammatica after hitting a 2nd quarter field goal against... Kansas. You're out, pal.

My contempt was so pronounced, in fact, that as Dusty Mangum's Rose Bowl-winning kick fluttered through to beat Michigan, I jumped around in celebration, then bad-mouthed our kicker for barely getting the damn ball through the uprights. Piñata!

Now it's your turn. Who are your Longhorn piñatas?

--PB--

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This year I had three...

...they all played the same position, or some form there of.  Every time one of our starting LBs made a tackle something to the effect of "Finally!" or "Try doing that BEHIND the line of scrimmage next time," would come flying out of my mouth.

by afat on Jan 24, 2008 6:10 PM CST   0 recs

Easy, Robert Killebrew
Never made a play. Only thing he did was draw penalties and commit late hits. Everything that was wrong with our defense started with him. I begin to blame him for everything even when he wasn't on the field. I always saw him around campus with his stupid skateboard.

by CheeseHorn on Jan 24, 2008 6:11 PM CST   0 recs

easy choice

For me, it's Robert Killebrew the last two years.  No question that I dread his unnecessary roughness call each game that keeps drives alive.  What's worse is that I grew to expect it.  Combine that with his general suckiness, and I cringed the last two seasons each time he came into the game....

by junglerules on Jan 24, 2008 6:11 PM CST   0 recs

Wow

We posted this 5 seconds apart.

by CheeseHorn on Jan 24, 2008 6:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Charles/McCoy

Up until the Nebraska game it was Jamaal Charles, but after it was Colt McCoy because before every snap I was nervous he was going to turn the ball over.

by acho81 on Jan 24, 2008 6:13 PM CST   0 recs

bean, its been said before, but I'll say it again

your MS Paint skillz are second to none.

by the other Andrew on Jan 24, 2008 6:20 PM CST   0 recs

Gracias

It's the simplest, worst application ever. Which puts it in my wheelhouse. If the program were good at all, it'd be beyond my pay grade.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Jan 24, 2008 6:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Last Year

it was Big Henry.  I would scream every time we got near the goal line and he would pussy-foot into the hole or try to bust it outside.  I think he cost me a week of my life due to high blood pressure.  This years was Mr. Jackson.  Every time someone threw a deep ball I just closed my eyes and prayed.

by txfan76 on Jan 24, 2008 6:21 PM CST   0 recs

Melton

I agree.  I knew right after the first ohio state game he would be a waste of time and space in the backfield.  During the 06 season, I yelled from my seat to get him out of the game every time he came on the field.  During the A&M game when he came on to convert the 4th and 1 deep in Aggie terrtory, I was about to bust my fucking jugular with rage.  I screamed out in disappointment that he was in, and then someone yelled at me to shut up (to be honest I was probably annoying, but I knew I was right).  I said "he's gonna bounce it outside and get tackled for no gain."  And voila.  It happened.  I've never been so pissed at Mack than that moment.

Melton always made me angry for the way he thought he was a 170-lb speed back.  He just couldn't accept the fact that he was a fat back who's supposed to run up the middle.  Dumb. Ass.  I'm glad he was moved to DE.  Now he can't kill our momentum anymore.

atsmahboy Kelson

by BigTexBD on Jan 24, 2008 8:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Colt/Jamaal

Everytime Colt had the ball and was flushed out of the pocket it seemed like just a matter of time before you saw the ball stripped or one of his now infamous deep ball to the defense. After Jamaal pretty much fumbled away our chance at beating them POS Sooners i was nervous everytime he touched the ball waiting to hear fumble. Chris Simms will obviously always be the favorite. I have never seen someone choke in big games like that kid did.

"Give Em Hell, Give Em Hell Make Em Eat S@#t!"

by soonershater on Jan 24, 2008 6:26 PM CST   0 recs

LBs a-plenty!

Bobino.  I've never seen anybody blitz that much, miss so many people, and record absolutely no sacks.

Honorable Mention to Joey Wright, who never met a jumper he couldn't miss and was terminally allergic to defense.  But, of course, that dates me, and I'm sure to hear it from Shake and BigTexBD.

PB, in honor of your obviously l33t photoshop skillz, this is for you:
http://lifehacker.com/346828/suck-le...

by bigfatdrunk on Jan 24, 2008 6:35 PM CST   0 recs

Thing is

I don't have Photoshop. I throw the crap together on MS Paint. Which makes it both awful and awesome.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Jan 24, 2008 6:40 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

old fart
atsmahboy Kelson

by BigTexBD on Jan 24, 2008 8:45 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Damn

Beat me to it.

by Shake on Jan 24, 2008 9:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Mangum

As a K-State fan, I know I'm not allowed to participate in a UT pinata-fest, but I wanted to make a comment on Peter's selection of Dusty Mangum.  There has never been a Longhorn player I hated more than Mangum.  At the game in Manhattan in 2002, he came out of the locker room early (practically alone) at halftime, went to his sideline, and started kicking field goals over our band.  Damnedest thing I ever saw.

Then of course the little bastard had to go and make a big GD FG to win the game.

We'll carry the banner high!

by TB on Jan 24, 2008 6:35 PM CST   0 recs

Jason Klotz

He hit one big shot (OU in 2003) his entire career and went 10-25 with 10 turnovers against Nevada in his last game.

by 40AS on Jan 24, 2008 6:41 PM CST   0 recs

Mine too...

hard to root for such a complete liability.  Shea Morenz ranks up there.

Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.

by zamm on Jan 24, 2008 8:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

True story

One night a couple of friends and I were at Taco C on mlk after a night of drinking, and in walks Jason Klotz. Earlier this particular week Bobby Knight mentioned that if he could have one player from the big twelve he would take Klotz because of his work ethic (Klotz was also arrested for domestic violence that same week). One of my friends decided to go mention what Bobby Knight had said about him, and Klotz responded with a straight face "Yeah that was pretty cool. I'm probably one of the best power forwards in the nation now. I'm at least a second round, maybe first round pick." Then they proceeded to get into an argument about Chris Mihm and Vlade Divac. Ever since that night I've always hated Klotz.

by 3rdgen on Jan 27, 2008 12:20 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Mack Brown

I don't think any changes would have been made had not all the message boards exploded beginning with the 2007 Arkansas State game.

by Austin180 on Jan 24, 2008 6:45 PM CST   0 recs

cause

he spends his time on the messages boards

by Wells on Jan 25, 2008 5:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

No, not Mack.

It was reported during the 2007 season that there is an athletic department staff person earning $35K whose job description includes monitoring message boards. It seems Mack got the message.

by Austin180 on Jan 26, 2008 7:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Shit, gettin' paid to read BON...

for real.  I earn a lot more than that, but reading BON at work is not part of my job description. I'd (and many more who read this daily) would be a top performers during review time.  

by Bevoboy94 on Jan 26, 2008 8:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You'd have to underbid me

I'm willing to do it for only $30K.

by Austin180 on Jan 26, 2008 9:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yes

He listens to what is being posted on the boards, not the big boosters who have Delos' personal cellphone number.

by Wells on Jan 28, 2008 10:11 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

You're absolutely right

so why would they waste $35K monitoring message boards?

by Austin180 on Jan 29, 2008 8:25 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

They just gave Davis a $75,000 raise.

Do you think $35,000 is even a blip on the budget?  Someone's buddy needed a job and the only thing he was good at was surfing the internet.

by Wells on Jan 30, 2008 12:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Mike Williams..

...yes, that Mike Williams from the basketball team.

I was one of his biggest supporters, helped lead the "Free Mike Williams" chants in the O-zone, and told everyone how much I thought he could contribute to the team...

One night, I was going to play an IM basketball game in Gregory, and Mike Williams comes up from behind me and tries to take my gym bag from me.  After I wouldn't let go of it, he started walking around me in circles as I kept trying to move forward.  Really annoyed, I stopped moving, put my bag down, and said, "Mike, what the hell are you doing?  What do you want? I'm just trying to get to an IM game."  
Ignoring my query, he kept walking around me, cocking his head, making strange noises, and essentially gave an impression highly similar to the Velociraptors from Jurassic Park.  Next, he made a few pokes at my bag, got down in a duckwalk, and started waving his arms around.  After a few more seconds, he walked away, and I turned to see him give LaMarcus Aldridge a high-five.  I picked up my bag and went into the gym...

After that, I refused to cheer for him the rest of his pathetic career...my parents said there was a video clip in one game of the entire student section going berserk after he scored a lay-up, while I was standing there with my arms crossed and rolling my eyes.  

I was really glad he left Texas...

by txtwstr7 on Jan 24, 2008 6:48 PM CST   0 recs

Mike was weird

I had a friend who lived on his floor in Jester and he reported similar encounters.  One time he walked into the elevator at the same time as my friend, hugged him and wouldn't let go until they got to their floor.

Funny that you were so jaded by that experience.

Remember how well he was coming on in the tournament before he left?

by whoopspat on Jan 24, 2008 7:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

not exactly a person...

but the Horns' incredibly aggravating tendency over the last few years to give up 1st downs on 3rd and 12 - 3rd and 20.  It always happens the same way.  Opposing QB takes a few steps to avoid some pressure, then throws to some wide open receiver on the sideline.  It's like the DBs decide beforehand to give up after 4-5 seconds, figuring the QB must have been sacked by then.  I'd honestly rather have our D facing 3rd and 4 than 3rd and 14.

by excitableboy on Jan 24, 2008 6:55 PM CST   0 recs

Scott Derry...

truth is, it's not even his fault, just that every time he (or Killebrew/Bobino, to be honest) didn't do something, I was screaming about how Sergio/Norton/Much would have made the play.

I became insufferable to watch a game with, constantly checking to see which linebackers were in the game, and if I saw the vets, I'd start with the old - "oh, yeah, you watch, they're definitely going to score here then...  do we not even WANT to win this game!!!"

Finally, late in the lamentable effort vs. the agroids, the young guys are in, and McGee completes a big pass, I think it was the touchdown to a wide-open, nobody within 10 yards of him Goodson.  So...  my first reaction is:  "well, if they'd been playing these young linebackers like they should, they'd have been improved in coverage and never would have allowed that!!!!!"

bottom line- even when he made a play, I'd be all over the - 'Sergio would have done it 5 yards back - and harder!' bandwagon...

Roy Miller - with the possible exception of Barbara Feldon, the best #99 anywhere!!!

by agent orange on Jan 24, 2008 7:07 PM CST   0 recs

Roughing the Kicker

Phillip mutherfucking Geiggar

Also "pulling up on a fast break from 45ft out" Runnin' Horns Legend:  Brandy Perriman

by Tbone Stallone on Jan 24, 2008 7:36 PM CST   0 recs

Huge play in Texas football history.

Completely devasting play, but I blame it more on Mack and going for the block kick instead of setting up a return for Vasher and letting Major drive us down the field and into the Rose Bowl against the 'Canes. We probably lose that game but still I wanted to see how we would have matched up against that great Miami squad. Imagine the build up for that game and Mack's decision as to who starts that game at qb.

Man, I always have wondered how we would have faired against that Miami team. I think we would have had a shot against them. Our secondary was a beast that year and Quentin Jammer would not have let Andre Johnson run wild like Nebraska did. We also would have given that Miami secondary alot of problems because of the size and speed that we had at wideout. Also, we had a pretty decent running game that year as well and Ced Benson would have given us a balanced offense something that Miami, never really saw that year.

I, still, think that we would have lost but it would have been a competitive game and gone to the final minute. The difference is that Miami's qb was better than Applewhite or Simms and whoever would have started would make a mistake against Reed and Co.

Who knows what would have happened if Geiggar didn't get that roughing the kicker call. Devastating call. Probably the most devastating penalty in the MB era.

I bleed burnt orange!!!!

by FNJ on Jan 25, 2008 12:04 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Still Simms

I still blame him for everything bad in every game.  It really is his fault.  All of it.

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by dickinabox on Jan 24, 2008 7:59 PM CST   0 recs

Brilliant.

No matter what football game I'm watching, it somehow comes back to how Chris Simms sucks and "isn't it wonderful retribution how his NFL career is sucking?"  Something like, "well, at least we don't have to listen to Simms talk about how the game was lost by his teammates and he played perfectly."

by Katie McBeast on Jan 24, 2008 11:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

hold you nose

it's like he left some kind of stink on the whole program.

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by dickinabox on Jan 25, 2008 6:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I second that emotion...

further details below.

by bevoshapedwaffles on Jan 25, 2008 3:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

cedric griffin

you spend enough time around someone and you just can't stand em
him and darrold williamson (from baylor) used to braid each other's hair

by abcdmetrius on Jan 24, 2008 8:41 PM CST   0 recs

darrold williamson the runner?

and i thought you were supposed to get girls to braid your hair?

atsmahboy Kelson

by BigTexBD on Jan 24, 2008 8:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

yes the runner

and yes you are
there's no good reason to rest you head in another man's lap while he touches your scalp

by abcdmetrius on Jan 24, 2008 8:45 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

re:

"there's no good reason to rest your head in another man's lap while he touches your scalp"

That's it.  That should be your sig line.

by Shake on Jan 24, 2008 9:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

my basketball pick...

J.D. Lewis.  When's the last time he contributed in any capacity, besides letting a guard rest for 30 seconds?

atsmahboy Kelson

by BigTexBD on Jan 24, 2008 8:41 PM CST   0 recs

I forced myself

Not to mention any current players, but...

Let's just say I'm sympathetic to your choice.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Jan 24, 2008 9:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Last year and the year before (basketball)

Connor Atchley: it started with the Memphis game his redshirt freshman year

--always Texas--

by longhorn00 on Jan 24, 2008 9:24 PM CST   0 recs

Axtell anyone?

Didn't like him at all..

Brooks Kieshnick I met at a bar one night and was a complete d-bag.

Shea Morenz and his stupid antics on stairs with coeds is on my list...

Number one though is Butch Hadnot...

by PhxHorn on Jan 24, 2008 9:42 PM CST   0 recs

Oh God yes

I'd successfully erased him from my memory until tonight.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Jan 24, 2008 10:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Whoa

Brooks Kieshnick went to UT? Is this the same guy that used to play with the Brewers? He was a reliever but pinch hit for them a lot.

by goingforthecorner on Jan 25, 2008 1:14 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Bubble Screen

easy tie for first: Scott Derry

by burntorangenance on Jan 24, 2008 9:48 PM CST   0 recs

He's from long ago...

but my pick is Joe Walker.  For those who don't know he was a CB in the mid to late 90's.  I was in high school, and all I remember is that his man always wide open.  That guy got burnt consistently.  Very frustrating.

'Til Gabriel blows his horn...

by mattyj on Jan 24, 2008 9:50 PM CST   0 recs

Gotta be Killebrew

I remember his first 15 yard penalty as a freshman...it was late in a blowout, and I remember thinking, "there is some intensity!  Can't wait to see that kid in 3 years."  

Damn Killebrew made me hate myself for the last 3 years.  Never been so happy to see a player graduate, cooking skills or no.

by ctex80 on Jan 24, 2008 9:58 PM CST   0 recs

Kwame Cavil

Was Major's great hope before anyone had even heard of Roy Williams...  and he just plain pissed me off.  I've had a few cocktails between the time he played and 2008 and most of his instances of stupidity elude me.  However, getting suspended before the 2000 Cotton Bowl and watching us lose to Arkansas was AWESOME.

Watching Kwame become the first under Mack to declare early for the Draft...  and not get drafted: Awesomer.

"I own yOU" - Peter Gardere

by OilmanHorn on Jan 24, 2008 11:22 PM CST   0 recs

Kwame

I'm pretty sure he was encouraged to leave early after his positive steroids test.  It was him and a DE that got caught.

by Blakington on Jan 25, 2008 8:56 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Brian Boddicker

i have no idea why.  completely irrational.  if i had to pinpoint when it happened, i think it was when i was standing next to him at Sonic and realized that there was no way he was 6'10" (his listed height).  this pissed me off for some reason.  i have no idea why.  i wasn't even drunk.

by billyzane on Jan 24, 2008 11:28 PM CST   0 recs

Good call

I was going to go a different direction with this but you reminded me of Boddicker. I was kinda young and I just hated a "6'10" center that just shot 3-pointers.

Jason Klotz was up there too. I hated him wearing the face mask so long after getting injurd. I hate Richard Hamilton for the same reason.

by Buck on Jan 25, 2008 12:53 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Brian "The Bod" Boddicker

I dont remember anyone ever calling Him that during his playing days, but Im trying to get it to catch on posthumously.

The Bod deserves no ire for these things listed here, for as close to God as he was, even The Bod cannot question The BodFathers plan.

It was not in His design to allow The Bod the skills of rebound, dribbling or defense.  Boxing out, pick and rolls, or running upright were not His strong suits.  But The Bod could shoot, and He could shoot in the clutch.

Its been a while since my UT days, and my memory fades, but I do know this, the well coifed, awkwardly framed shooting machine known as The Bod, won no less than 57 games with last second three point shots.  That was His plan, and that was His purpose.

If you can listen closely you can still hear His legacy echo in the drum.  5... 4... OMG DONT DRIBBLE WHAT ARE YOU DOING 3... 2... GASP 1... 0... (swish).

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 25, 2008 8:53 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

hmmm

Boddicker, is that you???

by ArcticLonghorn on Jan 25, 2008 11:25 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Oh man

Thats probably the greatest compliment I have ever heard.

Alas, I am not The Bod.

Just a mere fan.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 25, 2008 11:36 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

So

Has anyone else pointed out that you capitalize His & Him when referring to Boddicker, as is usually reserved for God?

How's the golden statue coming?

by Shake on Jan 25, 2008 12:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

What?

Everyone has a Longhorn they idolize.  An anti-pinata, if you will.  For most, it's Vince.  For BiC, it's "The Bod."  For myself, it's The Dreamboat hisself, Matt Nordgren.

by Meekrob on Jan 25, 2008 1:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

"i wasn't even drunk."

No, but given the proximity, you were probably high on hair gel fumes.

by Meekrob on Jan 25, 2008 8:56 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Geiggar to Selvin Young to Melton to.... this

might be shocking but its... MARCUS GRIFFIN.

I have never seen a guy take so many bad angles on tackles.  Really, he would overrun so many plays and always get caught trying to chase down a guy and he just didn't have the speed to do that.

That coupled with the fact that his brother was one of my all-time favorite players and Marcus looked like Michael, just absent the total dominance.

  1.  Geigger for "Roughing the Kicker"
  1.  Selvin for just never making a big play, and always running into his blockers and piles of defenders.. and then for kicking ass in the pro's and showing us that he was actually good even though we only saw it in his first year before the ACL Tear.
  1.  Melton for obvious reasons.  Mainly for not being able to ever get a third or fourth and one.  I blame him for not getting the first down in the K-State game where Colt wend down the next play.  I also blame him for not getting the fourth and one in the 12-7 A&M game on the opening drive. Can somebody please tell me that his eligibility is done?

 

by the1austin on Jan 24, 2008 11:30 PM CST   0 recs

My 2007 Pinatas
  1. The offensive Offensive Line.  No matter what they did, "Could that hole have been any WIDER?" and "try protecting the damn QB!"  My personal favorite, "did you remember what color uniform you're wearing today?"  If they actually made a play, I usually scoffed and regarded it as a fluke or, "yeah, don't be impressed, that's what they're supposed to be doing.  They should do it  better and more often."
  1. Greg Davis.  When I can start calling the plays (keep in mind, I'm a hardcore football fan, but I'm still a chick), I know we're in trouble.  And no matter what play he ran, it was the wrong one.
  1. Jamaal Charles.  So what if he ran 100000 yards in the 4th quarter, why wasn't he playing the whole game like that?!?  We could have won easily, won by halftime, and won by a billion points if he'd played every quarter like that.  And my God, put some stick'em on that ball, boy!

Great idea for a comment board, I'm loving reading them all!
~Katie

by Katie McBeast on Jan 24, 2008 11:43 PM CST   0 recs

Not a Texas Pinata...

But I do need to add Reggie Bush to my list of pinatas.  His illegal Heisman is the reason VY, who proved he really deserved it, didn't receive it.  Additionally, Reggie-mania was making me so ill by about week 2 of the 2005 season that it eventually drove me to writing hate-email to Ivan Maisel (yeah, the ESPN guy) for ass-kissing Reggie once again.  The funny part is that not only did he vehemently respond and try to prove me wrong, he had to eat his words after the Rose Bowl, especially when I sent another email, "Reggie who?"  I freakin' hate that db (not the defensive kind) and am so glad he's sucking ass with the Saints (and managed to rank 15 spots below VY on ESPN's top 25 all-time best college players).

by Katie McBeast on Jan 25, 2008 12:03 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Reggie Deserved it in the Regular Season

I wanted VY to win the Heisman as much as anybody, but, lets be realistic, Reggie Bush deserved the Heisman that year. If the voting was done after the bowls than VY definitely wins it but Reggie had a better season. He had a way more higlight reel plays than VY. VY had two while Reggie had at least 5 or 6 big time plays. The only VY play's that people remember from that regular season were the throw to Limas Sweed and the 80 yard TD run against Oklahoma State. Reggie had the Bush push, the two memorable TD's against Notre Dame, that TD against Fresno St. and the reverse field TD against Oregon.

I watched every Texas game the past 10 years and I watched like three USC games that year and I just feel like Reggie had more memorable plays that regular season and performances.

To your comment about the illegal Heisman. I think people are too riled up about Reggie taking illegal benefits. I'm pretty sure he is not the first Heisman winner to do that and he definitely won't be the last. Don't get me wrong, it is terrible that he cheated but it still won't diminish the guy as a great football player. VY is obviously better but Reggie was a great player. That is big time college football and thats what guys do.

Once again, if the Heisman was given out after the bowls VY wins in a landslide. I, personally, would not want the Heisman commitee to do that because it would sometimes make people completely forget about a player's regular season. Too many guys, not including VY, would win the Heisman based on their bowl performances and I don't think thats right.  

I bleed burnt orange!!!!

by FNJ on Jan 25, 2008 12:17 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Don't agree, Reggie had some highlights but

not a more complete season than VY.  Reggie's best game that season was hands down his effort againt Fresno State who lost 4-5 games that season and didn't even win the WAC title.  VY took the Horns into the Horseshoe and beat a defense with Hawk and Carpenter.  He smoked Oklahoma and only "struggled" in one game against A&M.  His performance in the Big 12 Title game was insane.

He led the nation in passing efficiency while rushing for over a 1000 yards.  It makes me nauseous that Tim Tebow has a Heisman and VY doesn't as well.

If Reggie played at LSU or any other school not in the LA media market, VY has the trophy.  

by the1austin on Jan 25, 2008 12:21 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

VY performance against tOSU.

His performance against the Buckeyes, statistically speaking, was not that great. He threw, either one or two picks, and did not have that great of a game. It was still a great performance because he threw a beautiful TD to Limas and we came out of there with the best win in the regular season of the Mack Brown era. VY, I feel, just didn't have that razzle dazzle and flash that Bush had and that was the difference.

Reggie did not win the Heisman by one of the largest margins in the history of the trophy for no reason. He was a great player and voters felt that he was the best player in the country and I at that time did not disagree with that decision. VY showed them at the Rose Bowl.

What also hurt VY was the fact that we blew pretty much every team out except tOSU and A&M and so he did not have as many great "Heisman moments" as Reggie Bush. He did not have as many clutch moments and playes as he had when he was a sophmore. He rarely played deep into the fourth quarter. That was the difference in the end result. I think voters did not really look at the statistics but more of the candidates moment's and big play's. I thought, personally that Reggie in the regular season was more deserving. Also, the fact that Reggie had a great season the previous year and was a finalist kind of helped him, as well, because he already was established on the national scene for a couple of years where as VY was only on the national scene for one year.

I bleed burnt orange!!!!

by FNJ on Jan 25, 2008 12:36 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The first rule of BON Club is,

YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT VY in a non diefying manner.  
The 2nd rule of BON Club is,
YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT VY in a non diefying manner.

Seriously, I dont know where to start with your wrong-ness.

VY, I feel, just didn't have that razzle dazzle and flash that Bush had and that was the difference

That razzle dazzle was just smoke and mirrors.  All he did was run east/west against a pathetic assortment of run defenses.

Reggie did not win the Heisman by one of the largest margins in the history of the trophy for no reason

Yes, and that reason was that he got pumped by the LA hype machine, not because he was the best Heisman winner in history.  Voters are dumb and easily swayed by talking heads, all of whom are based in LA or NY/Connecticut, and none of whom watched VY play.

by DogTown on Jan 25, 2008 9:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Reggie Wasnt Even the Starting Tail Back

If he was the best player in college football, dont you think he should be the starter?

He was good, and in any other year, he would be the hands down favorite.  But Vince was unstoppable.

If you dont remember any regular season highlights, let me lend you three of my favorites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMEr...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x91cu...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8f9k...

Undefeated season, leading the nation in passing efficiency, and running like he did, its a havishamockery that he didnt win the heisman.

If Bush doesnt mount up hundreds of return yards against Fresno State, the week before the balloting, Vince wins.  Most votes were cast before Colorado.  Excuse me, before 70-3 Colorado.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 25, 2008 9:57 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I remember them

My argument is about the rest of the country's perception about VY. I remember every play, pretty much, from his great career but the rest of the country doesn't remember that.

Reggie actually was the starting tailback. I believe you are mistaken sir.

I bleed burnt orange!!!!

by FNJ on Jan 25, 2008 3:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs