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Scratching The Itch: Texas Longhorns Offseason Roster Review

As the 2007 college football season officially closes, I find myself having a hard time officially letting go. Plus, as every Longhorn football fan knows, there's never really an offseason. And that's true here, as well. We'll continue to talk football from now through August.

We'll spend the next couple weeks on the 2008 recruiting class, but for tonight, while it's all still fresh in our minds, let's look at who's leaving from the 2007 team and what that means for the '08 depth chart. As far removed from next season as we are, this will be for overview purposes only. We won't know the answers to half our questions until August at the earliest. (Try not to think about that. August, I mean. How far away it is.)

GONE, OFFENSE
RB Jamaal Charles*
TE Jermichael Finley*
LT Tony Hills*
C Dallas Griffin*
WR Nate Jones
WR Limas Sweed*
WR Billy Pittman
*Denotes starter

GONE, DEFENSE/SPECIAL TEAMS
LB Scott Derry*
LB Robert Killebrew"*"
CB Brandon Foster*
S Marcus Griffin*
S Erick Jackson*
LB?CB?RB Drew Kelson
DT Derek Lokey*
DT Frank Okam*
DT Thomas Marshall
P Justin Moore*
*Denotes starter

That's five starters gone from the offense, seven from the defense, plus our punter. Bear in mind, though, that not all losses are equal. Though I wish Robert Killebrew well and thank him for his time on the 40 Acres, I shall not weep when Sergio Kindle plays his downs next season. Briefly, then, an overview of the roster at each position:

OFFENSE

Quarterback McCoy, Chiles, and Harris all return - at least in theory. I'm not sure anyone would blink if Harris decided to transfer.

Running Back The million dollar question. McGee's the favorite to be your starter, and Ogbonnaya returns as a senior. As useful as OG is to a football team, we're in trouble if he's getting 10-15 carries a game as the coaches struggle to find playmakers to field the position. Ideally, McGee takes a step forward and Fozzy Whittaker shows us something special. If Christmas comes in February, maybe Darrell Scott's in this mix.

Wide Receiver Quan Cosby and Jordan Shipley return and will start. Mack's recruited this position well, and a lot of young talent has been sitting on the sidelines as the older group's eaten up the playing time. This is a huge offseason for some of them (including, perhaps, some of the true frosh '08 kids) to make a move for a big role. We're in desperate need of a playmaker or two at this position. Candidates include: James Kirkendoll, Phillip Payne, Montre Webber, Malcolm Williams, Brandon Collins, Dan Buckner, and DJ Grant.

Tight End Blaine Irby, Ian Harris and Ahmard Harris will battle to be the pass catching tight end at Texas. Peter Ullman returns as a senior, and has some utility as a blocker, but he's backup material.

Tackle Adam Ulatoski, Tray Allen, Kyle Hix, Chris Hall, and Aundre McGaskey are your tackles heading into 2008. With Hills gone to graduation and Webb gone to transfer, it's definitely a thin group if injury were to strike. Ulatoski's battled injuries throughout his young career, so keep an eye on this over the spring and summer. All-purpose lineman Chris Hall can play tackle if needed, but it's not his best position. Oddly, his value seems to be like that of the "Utility Infielder" in baseball, in that he can fill in at all five spots on the line. That may well be his role in '08 as well.

Guard Chris Hall, Charlie Tanner, Michael Huey, Britt Mitchell, Steve Moore, and Cedric Dockery all return with experience at guard. It's looking more and more like Huey will be hard to keep on the sidelines, and Dockery's a sure starter at right guard. Hall's services may be needed more to help with our tackle and center situation. A lot depends on how Tray Allen does this offseason. Kyle Hix has already made enormous strides, but Allen was the state's top prospect in 2007.

Center The coaches would like Buck Burnette to win this job, but Chris Hall will again be of use here. Redshirt freshman Greg Smith is another guy who can play the position, but he's undersized to play regularly.

DEFENSE

Defensive End Brian Orakpo, Sam Acho, Lamarr Houston, Eddie Jones, Aaron Lewis, Henry Melton, and Russell Carter all return for Texas to keep a position of strength well-stocked. Given the depth and situation at DT, one of these guys may be asked to move in to the interior, but I don't yet know enough about what Muschamp will prefer to make any comment on that.

Defensive Tackle Roy Miller returns and if he stays healthy will be among the Big 12's best. The kid is a bull with tree trunks for legs and a motor that never dies. Beyond him, the situation gets sketchy. Ben Alexander will be a junior, but has very little experience. That leaves the staff counting on redshirt sophomore Brian Ellis or a pair of redshirt freshmen (Tyrell Higgins and Michael Wilcoxon) who have a LONG way to go in the weight room before they'll be viable. Again, we'll see what Muschamp wants, but someone on the edge may be moved inward.

Linebacker Rashad Bobino, Rodderick Muckelroy, Jared Norton, Sergio Kindle, Dustin Earnest, and Keenan Robinson return at linebacker for Texas. Muck-Norton-Kindle are your presumptive starters, with Bobino backing up Norton in the middle. Robinson's drawn rave reviews from his teammates and shouldn't be dismissed. A position of weakness the past two seasons could be the anchor of defensive strength in 2008.

Cornerback Ryan Palmer, Deon Beasley, Curtis Brown, Ben Wells, and Chykie Brown are the returnees at cornerback, though I'm not so sure Ben Wells isn't headed for work at safety. I actually like this group of kids - between Palmer, Beasley, Brown & Brown, we're two-deep with guys I'm okay with playing. Palmer's the most experienced and least talented, but experience ain't a bad thing at this position. Though he's limited, Palmer had a much better junior season than I expected.

Safety Along with DT, this is the big worry. There's Ishie Oduegwu, who struggled mightily in limited '07 action, and there's redshirt freshman Christian Scott. And maybe, I suspect, Ben Wells. (It's not a position you want a true freshman to play.)

And let's leave it at that for now. Consider this your roster primer heading into Offseason 2008.

--PB--

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  1. I'm a lot less worried about Palmer next season, because IMO he made some pretty good plays this year.  I think there was a tremendous difference between his '06 performance and his '07 performance, and I think he can be grouped in the category of "Solid Contributor."  He's sort of the Quan Cosby of the defense.  
  1.  I was really holding out hope that J'Marcus Webb would come back to UT.  I know Watts left on bad terms, but I thought Webb might try to get back.  He was a top 100 prospect by some accounts, and the number 1 OL in the country by others.  Any chance of him pulling a Douglas MacArthur on us?  

by DogTown on Jan 8, 2008 8:27 AM CST   0 recs

Thoughts...

Defense :

DB's and LB's should be improved, DE's will be
stacked, DT is a question mark.

Offense :

OL has the potential to be good but will it? RB is a massive question mark, WR weak in the upperclassmen strong in talent, TE same, QB no change.

Overall:

For the first time in years the defense will be in better shape than the offense(outside of the tackles).  The Offense is very weak at expierenced talent in the skill positions (outside of QB); I am curious to see how this next fall works out.

by HMFIC04 on Jan 8, 2008 8:38 AM CST   0 recs

Still have recruiting results and spring football

It is always interesting to see where the horns end up with their recruiting class.  The departure of Jamaal and JMike (both huge losses) frees up a couple of scholarships and big opportunities for recruits like Scott to decide at the last minute to go to school where they can play immediately.  

Who might the horns pick up as a tight end in this year's recruiting class (now that JMike has gone)? It looks like blaine Irby is the only horn TE with speed right now.  JMike was way under utilized by the horns.  From some of his comments over the year, I could sense that he did not seem super happy.

I hate using shipley as the deep threat because he isn't that tall or strong and is subpar at battling for contested passes (JMike was great at battling for contested passes).

Horns may want to go to a 3-4 next year because they are real thin at DT.

I noticed that the horns finished at #10 in the final polls.  that's pretty cool.

Given all the personnel losses (especially JMike and Jamaal and the DTs), the tougher schedule, and a stacked OU team, it is going to be tough for the horns to improve on this year.  We do have Muschamp though, and he will probably work miracles on D.

Colt could improve a huge amount just by reducing his interceptions and fumbles a bunch.

Spring football should be really interesting this year, especially on the D side and at running back.

by Kafka on Jan 8, 2008 9:24 AM CST   0 recs

3-4 won't happen

Muschamp is a 4-3 guy

by anonyMoose on Jan 8, 2008 10:16 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Are you sure?

According to hornfans:
"Base 4-3 at Auburn, b/c that's what they had the personnel for. He's from the Parcells/Bellichek/Saban line, so he's got a 3-4 background, and at times, AU would run a 4-3 that looked like a 3-4 (i.e. the WDE would line up like a 3-4 OLB on some plays and like a WDE on others)."

We may find out in spring training.  The horns are light on DTs and heavy on DEs (should be pretty strong at LB, too).  Might take a hybrid approach where they run a 4-3 but one of the DTs is actually a DE deployed as a DT.  this would utilize the available personnel, be a faster and more flexible D (i.e. easier to run zone blitzes).

 

by Kafka on Jan 8, 2008 1:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I would like to see

a 3-4 with one of the DEs playing like a full time blitzing LB.  It would be full and the DE type LB could reap havoc where ever they were lined up.  The down side is that it would not be as consistent in stopping a power running game.

by Wells on Jan 8, 2008 2:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I can certainly...

see Orakpo playing a stand-up DE, or linebacker type.  Dude is a freakin beast.

by Misterserious7 on Jan 8, 2008 4:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i predict fozzie will be great

next year
i have nothing to base this on aside from a hunch

by abcdmetrius on Jan 8, 2008 9:47 AM CST   0 recs

Re:
Ahh, I love the offseason.

What's wrong with RB by committee? USC and LSU ran it pretty well this year (pun intended). I wouldn't mind a Oggie+McGee+Fozzy(+Scott?) timeshare.

My adopted kid is pure genius at the Black-Scholes Option Pricing Model.

by jc25 on Jan 8, 2008 10:08 AM CST   0 recs

I think it worked pretty good

for JC, Selvin, Ramonce

by anonyMoose on Jan 8, 2008 10:18 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't like it.

I prefer to lead the show at tailback. Maybe, it is because I was so comfortable with it with Ced Benson, and JC this year. If you have a running back by commitee the o-line will have a hard time getting use to the different running styles.

Hook 'Em

by seant on Jan 8, 2008 8:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Couple of things

At DB don't count out Earl Thomas who as singled out as having very solid bowl practices.  Also, I know you aren't including '08 recruits, but Williams and maybe Brewster may be in the mix as well.  Either way, the overall talent at the DB position seems to be such that going back to the philosophy of playing the 4 best coverage DB's as opposed to 2 true safeties.  It worked well for Huff and Vasher.

At RB, aside from the potential of landing Scott, the one I am looking forward to seeing the most is Cody Johnson.  We've been sorely missing a power back since Benson left.  Also, I thought Cobb showed some promise, and even some playmaking ability at FB (he did score the our first TD this year).

by Horncasting on Jan 8, 2008 10:22 AM CST   0 recs

Cody Johnson

I completely agree about the horns needing a power back ever since Benson left.  cody looks very promising: short, fast, and super powerful.  Cody for short yardage, Ogbonnaya for passing situations, and committee for the rest.  It would be very nice if Scott becomes a horn.

by Kafka on Jan 8, 2008 1:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

addition by subtraction?
  1. Put me down on the list of people who's excited about our WRs.  Although this year's corp was strong in experience, once Limas went down we had little to no big play potential.  I fully expect Brandon Collins will become a solid contributer in 08/09.  Additionally, there is loads of talent between Buckner and Grant - my guess is that one of them sees PT in '08.
  1. Where's the love for Josh Marshall at TE?  Everything I read coming out of the preseason was that he was the next JMike.  One anecdote I heard about was an exchange between Mack and GD went like this:

Mack: wow, Jermichael made a nice catch
GD: It was a nice catch, but that's not Jermichael.
Mack: Fuck, you're right.  Better redshirt that guy in case Jermichael leaves.
GD: Good idea, I'll get right on it.

  1. The loss of JC will be somewhat mitigated by an improved o-line.  Give McWhorters and Mad Dog a spring to get these guys stronger and we'll see the benefits next year.  McGee wont be break as many big runs, but he'll get enough thanks to his talent and the line.
  1. The biggest question marks to me are depth at LB, DT, and Safety.  

Are Earnest, Bobino, and Robinson the 2nd group of LBs?  That's scary.  Do Davranti Johnson and Acho or Roberson have a chance to play as freshmen?

DT is scary outside of Miller.  I don't think any of the DE's have the size to play in the middle except maybe Melton.  The run stuffing responsibilities will fall on the LBs.

John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!

by BMG on Jan 8, 2008 10:23 AM CST   0 recs

JMike doesn't come along every year.

I don't think people relize just how special Finley was. He, imo, is the best tight end the school has ever had. Even though David Thomas was great, he wasn't as explosive as JMike and wasn't as feared as JMike. David Thomas just had better stats and got mostly dump off throws. He wasn't as explosive.

I don't think we can replace a guy like JMike. I wasn't to upset with JC leaving, but I was pretty upset and concerned with JMike leaving. He was the one guy that really scared defenses in the passing game once Limas went out.

Hook 'Em

by seant on Jan 8, 2008 8:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

If David Thomas mainly caught dumpoff passes

then he was one heck of a YAC receiver.  His last 2 years he averaged 17 and 12 yards per catch and had 5 touchdowns in each year.  That was in part while sharing time with Scaife.  Compare that to Finley's 12 and 13 yards per catch and half the TD's in his 2 years.  He is a very good college talent (although his blocking is below avg. for a college TE), but that is not exactly production that will be impossible to overcome.

I'll be surprised if he goes earlier than Thomas did in the draft.  In fact I won't be shocked if he goes undrafted.

by Horncasting on Jan 8, 2008 10:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ignore

It's dhab. Again.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Jan 8, 2008 11:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

seant, that is

Not Horncasting

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Jan 8, 2008 11:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i knew it!

was going to e-mail you earlier but got caught up at work until midnight.

by billyzane on Jan 9, 2008 12:14 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Recent UIDs?

2428
2429
2437
2443
2449
2451

I advised my adopted son to declare for the NFL draft, mostly because he owes me money.

by Shake on Jan 9, 2008 8:30 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

dhab

I noticed it before reading your comment as well, it's too obvious. Are there a group of IPs that he login from? In that case, it is worth blocking those IPs...

Just my $0.02

PS. Funny thing, I was not even reading this blog in the original dhab time! :)

Get your ass going! You ain't hurt!

by Cyrus on Jan 9, 2008 12:43 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

re
so seant is the captain but not colt12? color me surprised.
My adopted kid is pure genius at the Black-Scholes Option Pricing Model.

by jc25 on Jan 9, 2008 10:22 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think he has created a new logon...

everyday for the past week or so.  I don't point it out  but it sure do smell like the cap has been at it again. I guess he figures me might miss one, but every time the real Dhab shows.  He'll never pass the BZ sniff test, even with lots of fresh smell'um.

by Bevoboy94 on Jan 9, 2008 8:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Thomas
I'd take Thomas over Finley any day of the week and twice on Saturdays.
My adopted kid is pure genius at the Black-Scholes Option Pricing Model.

by jc25 on Jan 9, 2008 10:21 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I couldn't agree more.

The loss of Finley is not that big of a deal. I don't think he was effectively utilized, but we've got other areas of greater concern for next year than lamenting Finley's early exit and worrying about who will replace him.

I'll never forget ol' what's-his-name.

by Horntod on Jan 9, 2008 11:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

oh hell yea

as much of a athletic freak finley was, I do remember quite bit of instances where he failed to score due to cramps and falling down to the ground for no reason at all???

to my memory, thomas was a f*cking badass who caught almost anything on his way and an incredible leader to our championship team

my first born shall be named vy

by hookemkp on Jan 10, 2008 2:05 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The concerns

    As much as the splash a DC can make as it has done in Texas' case, I believe that the same could be accomplished with a new OC. The thought of a Davis offense without playmakers is not plesant. IMO there are no game changers on the offensive side. In addition, Texas needs to upgrade at QB. That won't be popular, but a Charles-less offense with Davis calling the plays and McCoy under center are concerns IMO. I know these changes will never happen, but Texas has got to upgrade with playmakers and a scheme that is not predicated on the big plays coming from the QB running around on a busted play and heaving in down field.
    Texas simply must land 2 QB's with the talent in the HS ranks for '09. Gilbert, Sheppard, Paschall(?), 2 of those 3 would be nice.
   

by thirtyand0 on Jan 8, 2008 10:45 AM CST   0 recs

Cody Johnson

I completely agree about the horns needing a power back ever since Benson left.  cody looks very promising: short, fast, and super powerful.  Cody for short yardage, Ogbonnaya for passing situations, and committee for the rest.  It would be very nice if Scott becomes a horn.

by Kafka on Jan 8, 2008 1:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Colt won't cut it

He's not the best QB in the division and he's not a championship QB. He will not get you there. Chiles must see more time or he may be gone.

"Excuse me while I whip this out."

by FreedomDip on Jan 8, 2008 5:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i agree

he does make plays with his feet often, but we need that threat at qb when a td can come at any time.  mack needs to adopt the 2 qb system. hell it worked against ASU, but the only thing is that game was never in doubt and was easy to keep that gameplan going. but again talent is never a question at UT we can reload every year, the only question i have with us is whether we can get the most out of our talent and reach the elite level and overtake them damn Okies. god i hate OU but until we consistantly beat them we will always look up to them in the standings

muckelroy doesnt do pushups... he pushes the earth down!

by kcc28 on Jan 8, 2008 6:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

talking about colt not a championship qb
muckelroy doesnt do pushups... he pushes the earth down!

by kcc28 on Jan 8, 2008 6:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I love how

Everyone thinks Chiles is the savior.  When Ive seen him play, its been anything but overly impressive.  Lets see him throw a few completions, and maybe break a tackle or two first.  Then Ill get all fired up for Colt to lose his job.  Dont get stuck on the Vince high, remember he completed 65% of his passes, and threw for over 3000 yards in 2005.  He ran so well because people feared the pass, and he passed so well because people feared the run.  

Colt is one year removed from what would have been the greatest freshman QB year in the history of the NCAA, not just Texas if it werent for a bad QB sneak, and everyone wants to throw him under the bus.

And yes Bradford statistically had a better year this year than even Colts would have projected out to be last year, but watching the two play, are you really saying you would rather have Bradford than Colt?

And lastly, its great to have a dual threat QB, Texas fans know this best of all.  But it is not necessary for the love.  Is anyone scared of Matt Flynn, John David Booty, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, Todd Reesing, or Todd Boeckman's running games?

No.  They arent.  Its not necessary you can win with a pocket passer.  Most people do.  Hell Tim Tebow is as much Vince as Vince ever was, and they finished 4th in the conference?

Guess what though, Tim is a helluva passer, and a helluva runner.  You got to have both, and thats rare.  Maybe Chiles does, but we have not seen it yet from him.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 9, 2008 8:37 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

You know what I would rather have?

An O-line like that of '05.  The QB shouldn't even be the discussion right now.

And BiC is correct....let's actually see some completions from Chiles before we call him the savior at QB.  That said, I agree that we just need to see more of Chiles in games, whatever the position.  Period.

I advised my adopted son to declare for the NFL draft, mostly because he owes me money.

by Shake on Jan 9, 2008 9:56 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Under the bus

I was a big fan of boddicker, too.

I would prefer that UT commit to recruiting dual purpose QBs and to a spread offense that features the threat of the QB running (such as with pat White or vince).  Chiles has the ability to run the ball that UT needs at QB in a spread offense. Unfortunately, he has not yet demonstrated the requisite passing ability to replace Colt. He did run the offense well in the ASU game.

Colt ran surprisingly well at times but he still isn't a real dual purpose QB.  Every time he carries it, I worry about him fumbling or getting hurt (he is kind of a lanky guy).  I don't know how much success he is going to have running on OU.

The turnovers by colt in 2007 were a shocker. He is a coach's son and I thought he was smart enough/coached enough to minimize turnovers.  He took a big step backwards in 2007.  The O line was worse but you still can't turn the ball over (eat it, dump it, even ground it, but don't turn it over).

Colt still needs to get some more muscle and strength in the off season.  There will be a lot of pressure on colt in 2008 with the loss of Jamaal and JMike.  Colt has to improve a bunch in 2008 for the horns to do well.  

I admit that I wonder what would have happened if Jevan Snead had beat out Colt.  He was bigger, stronger, a much better runner than Colt and had a much better arm.  I understand why Colt beat him out (Colt had a year in the system while Jevan was a raw freshman) but Colt 2007 was not super impressive.

by Kafka on Jan 9, 2008 11:55 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Chiles

Funny... I distinctly recall his one cameo appearance in the Nebraska game saving us because that gave GD an idea... zone read with Charles!

Chiles won't single-handedly save us, but the zone read option with him and McGee/Fozzy/Scott could.

by goingforthecorner on Jan 9, 2008 3:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Chiles first drive in each game he played in went

very well.  It was the subsequent drives when defenses adjusted and knew what to expect that make it tough to give him the nod over Colt.  From practice reports and the few passes he threw in games he still has a long ways to go to be considered a dual threat.

That said, I actually like the idea of a QB rotation similar to what we saw in the ASU game.

by Horncasting on Jan 9, 2008 3:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Im the first to say we wasted Chiles

This year.

I was pissed as hell when we burned his redshirt, and the only conciliation would be using him effectively this year in the offense.

Does anyone out there think we did that?

That Greg Davis failed to run the ball against the worlds worst run defense is not Colt's fault.  Nor is it really Chiles ability as a QB that won that game either.

Ill concede how PB first pitched the idea on this site, that Colt is not the best option under Greg Davis' unimaginative offense.  That given an OC who could gameplan around him, he would excel, and given ours, it will be difficult.  But thats not Colt's fault, it falls on the coaches to gameplan to the talent.

Over his first two years, repeat, freshman and sophomore years, Colt has thrown 6535 yards, with a 66% completion rate, for 51 TDs and 25 interceptions. You cant tell me thats not a quality QB who should only get better as he still has 2 years of eligibility.

I know those interceptions are high, but with the O-line and Sweed's health this year, I dunno, maybe Im too easy on the kid.  I think I read a while back 8 of his picks were tipped.

Anyway, the main point is, to be a QB you gotta pass, something.  Im not counting Chiles out, but Im also not counting him in until we see more.  I really thought we would have seen him some at WR with Sweed dropping out (be played WR most of High School if I remember correctly), but no, he rode the pine.  

Lets hope we use him better this next year, and if he is the man, then lets see him.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 9, 2008 3:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I believe alot has to do with GD

you also have to realize GD tends restrain his QBs. His philosophy on qb play has always been "manage the game, nothing more"

He was like that with simms, vince (pretty much first 2 yrs), and colt freshmen year (remember the game against OSU?). Sometimes I believe that GD thinks hes the QB!!

GD is horrified the makes by young qbs. He simply will not allow it!!

Even with Chiles, he could have easily called some simple routes and reads. This season, when he comes into the huddle, the defense just crowded the LOS. ARE YOU TELLING ME WE COULDNT COUNTER THAT WITH FADES, POSTS AND OUTS!!???

my first born shall be named vy

by hookemkp on Jan 10, 2008 2:12 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Tipped balls

I don't get saying it is not the QB's fault if a ball is intercepted after being tipped at the line. If there is somebody between the QB and the receiver (and it is a short, low pass) then it is the QB's job to find an alley, put a little loft on it, pump fake the D guy off his feet, whatever.  It is the QB's job to avoid getting balls tipped at the line of scrimmage.

In basketball, pretty much everytime you feed the post, there is at least one guy between you and the post guy who is totally determined to tip the ball.  the passer realizes that he has to fake that intermediate defender into account when throwing the pass.

by Kafka on Jan 10, 2008 2:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Didnt say its not his fault.

But I do think its a different scenario to throw a perfect ball to cornerback, or to have your receiver volleyball bump it up for the safety to snatch.

I dont know how many were tipped at the line, how many were tipped by his receivers, or how many were tipped by one DB and another DB got it.

I dont know any reliable place where stats like that are kept to compare if 8/18 is a lot or not.  We all know his turnovers were high this year, I just dont think a kid who had a freshman year like he did, and showed as much steel gut as he did, should be written off for an worst, above average season. (He was 24th in the nation in passing efficiency, and only 6 FR/SO were ahead of him, one of course being God, I mean, Tim Tebow) Thats not bad for a QB who lost his #1 WR, and his OC under utilizes their best weapon in JMike.  

If he keeps it up, then yes.  But lets see how he does with a healthy WR core, and a more mature O-line.  Well besides in 2006 I mean.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 10, 2008 4:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Coaches said that

the tipped balls were not his fault but I can remember several of his passes being tipped at the LOS (TCU had at least 3 that way, I think).

I agree with everything you said.  With respect to interceptions and fumbles, he would do much better with:

  • a better short passing game (up to GD)
  • using two hands when he runs
  • don't throw into double coverage
  • teaching guys like Shipley to fight for the ball when it is contested (it is better to offensive pass interfere than give up an interception)(up to GD)
  • move the pocket more (up to GD)
  • do not hang onto the ball so long (i.e. throw in rhythm or throw it away or run).

by Kafka on Jan 10, 2008 6:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Harris

Sherrod won't transfer. I'm good friends with him. He's really at UT for the academics, not so much the athletics or playing time.

by CheeseHorn on Jan 8, 2008 1:57 PM CST   0 recs

Its dedication like that

Which leads to poor center play.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 8, 2008 2:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

HS A-A games

At the Army and Under-Armor games, respectively, Buckner and Grant showed they have the speed, size, and hands to be a possible deep threat.  Very excited about these two.

atsmahboy Kelson

by BigTexBD on Jan 8, 2008 5:05 PM CST   0 recs

Perfect time for a reformation.

Would be better with a new OC.

With so many positions up for grabs, this is a set-up for changing many things. New pecking orders all around.

This will be a ripe time for speculation up through the Orange White game; then even more through the summer.

Now this really is a rebuilding year. One of the questions is: Will the Horns be rebuilt from the ground up or from some pre-existing pattern from the 2005 mold? Will it be - it hurts to say this - as successful as tOSU's rebuilding, which actually has been pretty amazing despite the bowl debacles.  

by whills on Jan 8, 2008 9:06 PM CST   0 recs

No reformation on offense

Mack will never replace GD and no reformation is going to happen without a new OC.

There also won't be much change at QB, with Colt at QB for the 3rd year.   the offense will be less explosive with the loss of Jamaal and JMike.  Because of the turnovers by Colt in 2007, the offense will be little more conservative in 2008, focusing more on ball control and less on explosive plays.

by Kafka on Jan 9, 2008 12:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Disagree

2006 and 2007 were reformation years on offense.  We went from the zone read, shotgun offense in early '06 and steadily progressed away from the run (and towards a spread offense by mid-07).  This peaked with the Iowa State and Baylor games.  Then we steadily moved back to a run-first, play-action offense while still incorporating a few designed QB runs.  Not to mention, from 2005 to the end of 2007 we had almost completely turned over our offensive personnel save for (Quan, Jamaal, Pittman, and Nate).

I firmly believe the scheme GD employed vs ASU will be the scheme in 2008. Now that we found an identity its time to build on it, not tear it apart.

Colt is solid college QB.  He can make all the throws and he can make plays with his feet.  He also improved his decision making throughout the season as less responsibility was put on him to make all the plays.  That said, I am in favor of rotation Chiles in for several series and situations in '08.  But that is contigent on Chiles developing at least the threat of a pass.

The WR talent coming in is sicks, and Buckner and Grant bring a dimension to this offense lacking since the departure of Roy Williams.

Go to a RB by committee and pray to god DScott dons a burnt orange uniform.  We've got the type of developing o-line and QB/RB combinations that can account for over 200 yards/game as team on the ground.

John Chiles - I'm your foster daddy!

by BMG on Jan 9, 2008 12:35 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Harris vs. Chiles

From what we have seen so far Chiles can't throw the ball but he would be great in a two quarterback position. Let's not forget he was a WR and RB in high school until later in his senior year.  Harris has been red shirted for a reason he was always a dual threat quarterback.  I would like to see what he can do this offseason, any comments?

by griffntexas on Jan 9, 2008 11:07 PM CST   0 recs

I would like to see both guys playing

somewhere.  They have the speed that they need to be on the field.  I don't know how good Harris is at QB but maybe we'll see him some in spring practise.  It looks like the coaches think that Chiles is well ahead of Harris at this point for backup QB.

by Kafka on Jan 10, 2008 2:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Put em both in the backfield

Direct snap to one or the other, run/pass/receive them both.

Wait we have Greg and Mack.

Ok, bring one of them in in a few games where nothing is really on the line.  Oh and make sure to take the rest of the first offense out as well.  Then just play Colt for the rest of the game.  And dont try to get them touches in any other capacity.

Yep that sounds about right.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 10, 2008 4:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So you want to replace

someone who is specifically trained to run and block, and replace him with the someone who has almost the same skill set as the person next to him, reducing the ability to run out of the backfield and also the ability to have your RB block, just so a pass or run can come from a direct snap to either QB, lined up next to each other?  You should totally replace GD.

by Wells on Jan 10, 2008 6:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

On every single down?

No, I dont.  And your right that was a stupid comment.

Harris really I could care less about until I see something, but putting Chiles in the backfield to option out as a WR, take a direct snap, or just confuse the defense should not be out of the question.

Id like to see us utilize the talent we have, and find ways to get people who are supposed playmakers, the ball in their hands.  I wanted to see Jmike line up as a WR once in a while, or Charles motion to the outside and streak.  What CB could keep up with those two?

If Chiles is a playmaker running the ball, then we need to find ways to get him involved, and I dont think it has to be at the expense of Colt as a QB.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Jan 11, 2008 8:27 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Agree with that

I think it was GD's worse mistake of the year to not redshirt Chiles and then not have him involved in the offense more.  I thought the Holiday Bowl usage was better, but why did it take until the last game of the season to realize that Chiles would be a good way to cure our redzone woes?

by Wells on Jan 11, 2008 9:46 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hasn't that normally...

been the case?  Always a bit too late to change.  I hope that changes soon.

by Bevoboy94 on Jan 11, 2008 10:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

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