Colt McCoy and the NFL
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 1, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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I was talking to a friend of mine recently about Colt McCoy's draftability. He thought he was lock to get picked by some NFL team looking for a reliable passer out of the pocket, but I don't think so.
Over the years, there have been many, many, QBs whos talents in college just do not translate to the NFL game. A long string of Texas Tech quarterbacks comes to mind, but there are Heisman Trophy contenders in there too (Troy Smith, Ken Dorsey, Eric Crouch -- who went undrafted, and Charie Ward) whose professional careers either did not start or failed to take off.
It seems like the skilset necessary to succeed in college differs greatly from that necessary for professional success. Lets take Jay Cutler for example. In 2005 he had a good but not great senior season at Vanderbilt.
His statistics for his senior season:
273/462 for 59.1% and 3073yd , with 21 TD to 9 INT
106 rushes for 215 yds, 1 TD
McCoy is going to destroy these numbers against similar opposition, with a squad that's maybe more talented than Cutler's, but McCoy has better numbers to go with that. On top of which McCoy can run.
Here's my question -- given McCoy's emergence as an elite college quarterback, does he get drafted into the NFL? I distinctly remember talk as McCoy entered UT that he was not a pro-style (or pro-ready) quarterback, but I have no idea on what this is based or who decides this. Anything you have to add to the discussion would help.
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Crouch was drafted in the 3rd round.
All of the above wer drafted (so was craig krenzel) as were Kingsbury and Symons. based on that I am pretty sure, if things continue, Colt will be drafted.
by billb on Oct 1, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Crouch
Crouch wasn’t drafted to play QB, he played WR. Ward left to the NBA. The others were drafted but were not very good… (eg: Symons in the 7th round to the Texans…3rd string on the Texas is not a p lace you want to be).
My point was more along the lines of, will he be successful in the NFL.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 1, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering their OL, it's exactly where I'd want to be. nt
by whills on Oct 1, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
just saying...
get with the times.
by littlevisigoth on Oct 2, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's cute for now.
We’ll see how they sustain it.
They are improved.
by whills on Oct 2, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
If Romo can be an elite QB, Colt probably has a ceiling around there.
At this point, he doesn’t have the arm cannon that usually accompanies successful big league QBs, but maybe he could get there. There is definitely a market out there for 6’3, 220 passers with high football IQs and the feet and brains to turn sacks into small yardage scrambles.
by Tackchevy on Oct 1, 2008 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can assure you for whatever it’s worth, Colt McCoy can throw the ball harder with his left hand than Phillip Rivers ever could. If Phillip Rivers can make a nice little career in SD, Colt can get a shot in the pros somewhere.
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by run Bevo run on Oct 1, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In any case
Even if a major national award never comes to him, Colt will surely be better than all-world Heisman winner Jason White, whose most significant life achievement post-graduation was having his name painted on the water tower of his home town.
by Tackchevy on Oct 1, 2008 4:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but will they repaint it back up there? nt
by whills on Oct 1, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"they"
“They” never painted it. Rumor has it that Jason White hobbled up the tower and painted it himself.
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 1, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo started on the bench for a few years before...
You can’t forget about the Heisman winners that had ridiculous stats like Ty Detmer and Andre Ware. Just because you win a Heisman doesn’t make you an automatic draftee.
by BlinkOneGun on Oct 1, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone will take a late round flyer on him
But I don’t see him as an elite prospect. No way his running game translates well to the League. Tackles he avoids/breaks in college will take him down fast there. I think he will catch on as a pocket qb, but one who can scramble from pressure and maybe even run for a first down once or twice a game. He could be like a poor man’s david garrard, minus 25 pounds.
by BigTexBD on Oct 1, 2008 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colt
will get drafted. He is mobile in the pocket, and is pretty accurate. He’s a good learner and film watcher. I think he’ll be a pretty good QB in the NFL.
by Longhorns84 on Oct 1, 2008 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colt reminds me of a
mobile Chad Pennington. The knock on Colt is arm strength. I know he’s got pipes this year, but he doesn’t have that laser rocket arm that the NFL requires. He’ll definitely be drafted, 2nd or 3rd round, I suspect. He could succeed in a West Coast offense, though.
by ctex80 on Oct 1, 2008 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t the idea of a West Coast offense that anyone can succeed in it?
by pleaseplaykindle on Oct 2, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it does require certain traits
Primarily being short to mid range accuracy, the ability to make very quick reads/throws, and a great sense of timing. Having a mobile quarterback really tends to open the WCO up by allowing the receivers just a bit of extra time to get open and keeping the defense honest for a QB scramble – giving the receivers a bit more room.
There are a lot of QBs who are not good as good in the WCO for one reason or another – they lack the touch on their passes, are more accurate down field than short, or they just don’t do things fast enough. Because the offense (and its principles) have spread so thoroughly throughout the NFL you can get a sense that anyone can succeed in it – but that’s not the case, rather those who cannot succeed tend to wash out when asked to run it or never get the opportunity in the first place.
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by learned hand on Oct 2, 2008 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No comparison between McCoy and Cutler
As much as I like Colt, the similarities between him and Cutler end at the stat line. Cutler was not drafted because of his numbers, he was drafted because he’s the absolute prototype NFL QB, which Colt is not. Cutler’s arm strength makes up for so many of his mistakes and he can throw a bullet back-pedalling or moving sideways. Colt’s got a lot of things going for him, but he doesn’t have the strength to get a ball there before an NFL 4.4 (or faster) cornerback does, nor can he throw the a real deep ball. Cutler throws one of the more impressive deep balls in the league. In one play early on, he rolled left, plants on his own 36 and launches the ball into the endzone. Colt could never make that throw.
Here’s the play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeIvkvsVAyc
(unfortuntately all i could find on youtube — anyone who uses “greatness” is a homo.)
by BMG on Oct 2, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Colt wants to go pro, he should leave this year...
While I obviously want Colt to come back, have you guys seen this years crop of QB prospects? The leading prospects are Curtis Painter and Matthew Stafford who have both struggled greatly this year and right now there are no QB prospects with 1st round grades (according to CNNSI).
With such a weak class, Colt could be a strong combine away from flying up the draft charts. Just saying, if he waits till next year this will not be the case….
by the1austin on Oct 2, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
numbers
Getting drafted as an NFL QB has nothing to do with the numbers you post. Jay Cutler went high in the draft because he was 6’4" 230 pounds, has a cannon for an arm, and measures well in the other ridiculous ‘immesurables’ tests that NFL scouts and GMs put prospects through.
McCoy won’t get drafted high because he’s not quite accurate enough. There’s QBs his size that have made it – Austin product Drew Brees, obvously- but he’s off the charts accuracy wise. I do think someone will take him to be a 3rd string and potential long-term backup option, and that’d be great for him. Could always get a shot and make the most of it it too.
But what he does here at Texas the next two years mean nothing really. Scouts have already made up their mind about him for the most part, unless he’s able to beef up that arm strength substantially in the next year. Colt’s been a warrior runing the ball, but it’s not like an NFL team is going to look at those highlights and think that means a damn about his chances to make plays with his feet in the league.
I think Ken Dorsey’s a fine comparison, even though I think McCoy might be better in terms of a higher ceiling. Still, Dorsey’s not really had a chance to elevate himself about #2 on a depth chart. Still getting paid though to hold a clip board, so not bad. Colt can do the same, at worst.
by Blitzburgh on Oct 2, 2008 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Best thing that can happen
to a QB who lacks what I’d call 5-star talent is to become a backup, ideally No. 3 for a few years, then perhaps No. 2. The learning experience is fabulous, the pressure low and the dollars not bad. It’s the perfect start point for a coaching career, which is where I see McCoy (and Shipley) being in 5-10 years.
by edsp on Oct 2, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yikes
All sorts of typos in there. Sorry!
by Blitzburgh on Oct 2, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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