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The Numbers Game: Schlabach Hate Week Continues!

I've got nothing personally against Mark Schlabach.  He's not my favorite college football writer, and he's not my least favorite either.  I've generally had no opinion on him.  Until this week.  This week he wrote one of the most asinine columns I've ever read.  I understand columnists often feel the need to stake out a contrarian viewpoint to the conventional wisdom in order to gain notoriety.  I suppose there's nothing wrong with this in theory, but that's only the case if the argument has some merit whatsoever.

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For those who don't want to read through the entire thing because they prefer to not pull out all of their hair, here's a synopsis: Texas might not actually be good because no one in the Big 12 plays defense and thus SEC defenses are better and whichever team Texas plays in the national championship game will be better than the 7 teams Texas has played so far.  First of all, I'm not sure how you convince yourself it's a good idea to write an entire column in which the ultimate conclusion is that the team you play in the national championship game will probably be better than the teams you played in the regular season.

But leaving aside that ridiculously obvious point, are we really going down this "SEC defenses are obviously better than Big 12 defenses because OMG just look at the SEC's awesome defensive stats!" line of argument again?  Schlabach does deign to briefly mention the fact that Big 12 offenses are, you know, sorta good:

Entering this weekend, half the SEC's 12 teams were ranked in the top 20 nationally in total defense. Only three Big 12 defenses ranked in the top 40, and half the league's teams ranked 70th or worse.  Conversely, seven Big 12 teams were ranked in the top 30 nationally in total offense, including five of the top 11. Georgia was the only SEC team ranked in the top 35, and half the league's teams were ranked 74th or worse.

Let's recap:

  • Number of Big 12 teams in the top 40 defensively: 3
  • Number of SEC teams in the top 35 offensively: 1
  • Number of Big 12 teams below top 70 defensively: 6
  • Number of SEC teams below top 70 offensively: 6
  • Conclusion:  SEC defenses are good and Big 12 defenses aren't.

The problem with coming to that conclusion based on that data is that there's a chicken/egg conundrum in terms of good offense/bad defense and vice versa.  It's hard to tell the extent to which the Big 12's good offenses make its defenses look bad and the extent to which the SEC's bad offenses make its defenses look good.  And what does Schlabach do to get himself out of this conundrum?  Well, he ignores it.  Doesn't mention it at all.  He just takes a conventionally-held belief (SEC defenses good!  Big 12 defenses bad!) and notices that the raw numbers support that notion and that's that.  Deadline: met!  Luckily, you all have me around to do for free all the work that Schlabach doesn't want to do for his salary.

After the jump, we look at some stats that might actually tell us something interesting about these offenses and defenses that can maybe work us out of this chicken/egg conundrum.

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The first step is to stop talking about Total Defense and start talking about Scoring Defense.  The point of a defense isn't to allow fewer yards per game, it's to allow fewer points per game.  Yards allowed per game are a pretty good indicator of how good a defense is at preventing the other team from scoring, they are a means to an end, not an end in themselves.  There's so much more to it.

So let's take a look at the scoring defenses of the following 2008 teams, along with the 2005 Texas team, because it gives a us a championship comparison and also because I just want to prove Year2 wrong.  You're a smart guy, Year2, and a good commenter.  But I think you're wrong to say that the 2005 Texas defense was a lot better than this defense.  To the charts:

Team Points Allowed per Game
Texas 17.57
Oklahoma 20.71
Okie State 20.57
Alabama 14.43
Florida 13.00
LSU 21.50
2005 UT 16.38

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, that's a start.  But this chart tells us one thng and one thing only:  this is how many points each team has allowed per game against the particular opponents that they have faced this year (or 2005 in the case of the Fightin' VYs).  This doesn't come any closer to solving the chicken/egg conundrum.  To do that we'll need to see how well each of these teams is performing relative to other teams who have faced the same opposition.  Essentially, we need to see how many points Texas' opponents (for instance) are scoring per game against teams other than Texas and then compare that to how many they scored against Texas.  So let's add a column to that chart:

Team Team's Points Allowed Per Game Opponents' Points Scored per Game
Not Including Game against this Team
Difference
Texas 17.57 33.86 16.29
Oklahoma 20.71 30.51 9.80
Okie State 20.57 32.35 11.78
Alabama 14.43 25.66 11.23
Florida 13.00 26.89 13.89
LSU 21.50 25.41 3.91
2005 UT 16.38 29.75 13.37

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So this chart tells us a little bit more about these defenses, namely, how well they do at keeping opposing offenses from scoring relative to the other teams these opponents play.  You'll notice that Texas' seven 2008 opponents have scored an average of 33.86 points per game against teams other than Texas and only 17.57 points against Texas, for a 16.29 point difference.  That's the largest of this group, even larger than the 2005 Texas defense.  So, while the 2008 Longhorns are only ranked #4 among this group of 7 in terms of points allowed per game, they are playing such dominating offenses that the 17.57 points they're allowing per game is actually quite remarkable.

Now, if I were someone like Mark Schlabach, I might take these stats, which at face value seem to prove my point, and say, "See, Texas' defense is actually better than all of these defenses, including the SEC ones!  And Oklahoma State's defense is actually better than Alabama's and LSU's!"  But I'm not Mark Schlabach, so I'm going to point out the flaws in this statistic.

Let's take a hypothetical in which Defense A has faced opponents who have a 14.0 scoring average in games other than those against Team A.  Even if Defense A has shut out each and every opponent it has faced, the greatest "Difference" number they could put up in that chart is 14.0, making it look like Texas' 16.29 number is better.  But we all know that it's not necessarily better.  Now, would Defense A be shutting teams out if they were facing offenses scoring 33.86 points per game, as Texas is?  Probably not.  But that's not the point.  The point is that this example underscores the problem with this statistic, which is that it tends to favor defenses that go up against high scoring offenses.  If Defense A faces offenses averaging 50 points per game and holds them to 25 ppg, that's a difference of 25.  And if Defense B faces offenses averaging 30 points per game and holds them to 15, that's a difference of 15.  Defense A looks better than Defense B because 25>15, but they're both holding opposing offenses to half their total scoring on the season.  So let's add some columns onto the chart look at that percentage of total points allowed statistic:

Team Team's Points Allowed Per Game Opponents' Points Scored per Game Not Including Game against this Team Difference Ratio (season totals) Ratio (per game)
Texas 17.57 33.86 16.29 .52 .52
Oklahoma 20.71 30.51 9.80 .68 .63
Okie State 20.57 32.35 11.78 .64 .69
Alabama 14.43 25.66 11.23 .56 .54
Florida 13.00 26.89 13.89 .48 .49
LSU 21.50 25.41 3.91 .85 .93
2005 UT 16.38 29.75 13.37 .55 .55

The Season Totals ratio is the cumulative ratio of the average points allowed by a team versus average points scored by opponents against other teams (i.e. for Texas, it's 17.57 divided by 33.86).  Cumulatively on the season, Texas is allowing its opponents to score only 52% of the points their opponents score per game against all teams other than Texas.  The Per Game ratio is an average of the ratios for each individual game instead of the points over an entire season, which number can be and usually is different that the Season Totals ratio.

The Season Totals ratio has the advantage of not weighing outliers as much as the per game ratio because it's a cumulative statistic.  Having one really good game affects the per game ratio more than the season totals ratio.  The Per Game ratio has the advantage of perhaps being more true to life.  Wins and losses aren't determined by performance over the course of seasons; they're determined by games.  An average of how a team has done in each game is instructive.  Determining which is better isn't really important, but noting the differences are because they tell you what kind of team you're dealing with.  A team whose two ratios are very similar is a steady team.  You're likely to get something close to that percentage in an actual game.  A team with ratios that are significantly different (my guess is anything more than 2-3% is significantly different) is an erratic team that sometimes has good games and sometimes has bad games.

You'll notice that the 2008 Texas defense has better ratios than both the 2005 Texas defense and this year's Alabama defense and is barely off the pace set by this year's Florida defense.  You'll also notice that LSU's vaunted SEC defense kind of sucks.  Additionally, Texas has an incredibly stable defense.  You know what you're going to get from it week-in and week-out.  Texas' lowest game ratio is .22 (against Rice) and its highest is .72 (against OU).  That is, Texas hasn't held any team below 22% of their scoring average and hasn't allowed anyone to score more than 72% of their scoring average.  LSU, on the other hand, has a low of 16% and a high of 187%!  I think this might have a lot to do with why SEC teams lose to each other all the time: erratically performing defenses.  They look great one week and terrible the next.  They call it parity and strength 1-12 in the conference, but it's not.  Florida, for instance, held Miami to 8% of its scoring average 1 week, held Tennessee to 27% of its scoring average the next week, and then the following week allowed Ole Miss to score 113% of its scoring average, or 13% more than they scored against every other team they've played.  Florida's average ratio is phenomenal despite the Ole Miss game, the best in this sample.  But that doesn't make Ole Miss good.  It means that Florida totally crapped the bed that week.

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Before we go on, I need to point out a slight flaw in this ratio statistic too.  Whereas the "Difference" statistic favors teams that face excellent opposing offenses, the "Ratio" statistic favors teams that face bad opposing offenses.  The effect isn't as great in the Ratio statistic as in the Difference statistic but it's still there.  For instance, if Defense A faces an offensive juggernaut that averages 49 ppg and gives up only 21, isn't that a better indicator of a good defensive performance than if Defense B faces an anemic offense averaging 7 points per game and only gives up 3?  I think so, but the ratios are exactly the same: .42857.  This is a minor flaw, but it exists.

So what to make of this then?  You have to look at both the Difference and Ratio statistics in the above chart because both are somewhat flawed in different directions.  Put more stock in the Ratio than the Difference statistic though.  In looking at both, it seems like Texas' defense can hang with any other team on that list.  The only team they could reasonably be considered to be behind would be Florida (not even 2005 Texas, Year2!).  And yes, Schlabach, OU and OSU aren't showing championship caliber defenses, even considering the stellar offenses they are going against.  But LSU is a lot worse than either and they're one of the teams you list as being better than Texas has ever faced.

Regardless, so we know that Texas' defense is national championship elite, statistically.  And we also know that a few SEC teams have better defenses than the Big 12 teams Texas has faced/will face.  But what about offenses?  Say Alabama and Texas meet in the national championship game.  Their defenses are roughly equal, with Texas' probably being a little bit better, statistically speaking.  So how do their offenses stack up?  Let's look at the same chart, but modified to show the opponent's points allowed per game and the team's points scored per game:

Team Team's Points Scored Per Game Opponents' Points Allowed per Game Not Including Game against this Team Difference Ratio (season totals) Ratio (per game)
Texas 48.14 27.26 20.88 1.77 1.90
Oklahoma 46.86 21.68 25.18 2.16 2.69
Okie State 46.43 29.05 17.38 1.60 1.78
Alabama 32.29 20.58 11.70 1.57 1.73
Florida 38.50 22.46 16.04 1.71 1.87
LSU 31.17 22.12 9.04 1.41 1.68
2005 UT 50.15 23.09 27.07 2.17 2.33

First of all, note that in the offensive statistics, the Per Game ratio is much more subject to outliers than it is in the deffensive statistics (basically because there's an infinite number of points you can score more than your opponent allows per game on average, but there's a finite number of points you can give up below what your opponent is scoring per game).  Thus, the per game ratios are all a lot larger than the season total ratios and you get much bigger differences comparing the offensive ratios than comparing the defensive ratios.  But again, the closer the ratios are together, the more consistent that team is.

So first look at the Oklahoma per game ratio number.  OU is scoring 2.69 times more points per game against its opponenets than its opponents are giving up to other teams.  That's a lot better than even Texas' 2005 national championship team, which had one of the great offenses of all time.  But this is super-inflated by the fact that in two games (against Cincinnati and TCU), OU scored more than FOUR TIMES what those defenses give up per game to other teams.  That's why their season ratio is so much lower, almost identical to the 2005 Texas ratio.  That 2005 Texas team was much more consistently good.

The 2008 Longhorns have better ratios than every team on this list other than Oklahoma and the 2005 National Championship team.  Additionally, Texas has the smallest differential between the two ratios of any team on this list, meaning that they are very steady offensively, just as they are defensively.  What you get one game is very likely to be what you get the next.  Considering what Texas has done so far in its first seven games, I'd say that's a very good thing.  Also note that on both offense and defense, Oklahoma State is actually surprisingly mediocre in terms of the elite of these conferences.

But what about those SEC offenses?  Well, LSU isn't very good.  They're the worst of this group on both offense and defense, and it's not really very close in either category.  Alabama's a little below Oklahoma State--that is, mediocre for an elite team.  Florida is actually pretty good, just a little off of Texas' pace.

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So what does it all mean?  Well, it seems to me that Texas' defensive stats are perhaps slightly behind Florida's but ahead of Alabama's, and Texas' offensive stats are slightly ahead of Florida's and well ahead of Alabama's.  Neither Florida nor Alabama is particularly erratic (the UF/Ole Miss debacle notwithstanding), but Texas is a pillar of consistency.  At least given the games that have been played so far, Texas has shown that they perform at pretty much the same relative level in every game, when you take into account their opponents.  That bodes well for the future, considering how well Texas has played so far this year.

As for Year2's assertion that this Texas team doesn't have an elite defense, well, I respectfully disagree my friend, and I hope the above has shown you that there is more than one way to skin a statistical cat, and some of those methods are better than others.  Perhaps you should have said that the 2008 Longhorns don't have as much offensive firepower as the 2005 team.  That would have been a lot closer to correct.

And as for you, Mr. Mark Schlabach, how about you go back to the drawing board writing table(?) and instead of writing an article about how we're not sure if Texas is good because they haven't played anyone with a defense, you write about how we're not sure Alabama's good yet because if they play Texas in the national championship game, they'll be going up against a defense that's seen the kitchen sink that Big 12 offenses throw out there and is still just as good as those SEC defenses, and they'll also be going up against an offense better than any they've seen this year.

That is, if you're into writing such prospective and meaningless articles.  Me?  I'd just like to beat Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, Texas A&M, and the Big 12 North champ first before we start thinking about things like that.  But I guess that's why I don't get paid to write about this stuff.  It's that vision thing...

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BZ, you are a serious geek ...

 … but in a really, really good way.

Watch out, I bite.

by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Oct 22, 2008 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Other scores?

Does this count scores that come from special teams or offensive turnovers returned? That can skew numbers. Furthermore, sometimes even scoring defense stats don’t do justice to a defense because their offense or special teams can constantly put them in rough spots. Stats will always be limited in what they can tell us.

I agree that Schlabach’s article was a load of garbage, as everyone does. It’s sad he’s paid to write crap like that. Nonetheless, our defense still has a lot to improve on.

And I think many will agree with me that statistics aside, that 2005 defense was more talented and also had more upper-classmen leadership. Of course, that doesn’t mean ours right now isn’t a good one.

by TheElusiveShadow on Oct 22, 2008 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Think of it as how well a team defends against teams scoring in all forms

Yes, special teams and offensive turnovers returned don’t have anything to do with the defensive unit, per se, but they are a part of how well a team defends against another team scoring, which is the point of football. So you’re right that these numbers aren’t necessarily reflective entirely of the defensive unit (but for the most part, they are), but in a way, they’re indicative of something more important.

And yes, that 2005 defense had more polished players with lots of upperclassmen. Looking at the rosters, you’d absolutely say it was better. But I’m trying to point out that, thus far, the 2008 Texas defense has played just as well.

by billyzane on Oct 22, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bonus

There should be a bonus for scores by the defense.

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Oct 23, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wont do the leg work

But I would wager there is a correlation between the better offenses and larger Total Defense numbers, in a general sense because of special teams and turnovers.

Teams with better offenses will on average make the opposing team cover more field to get a score, or provide less turnover friendly field positions as well. Not to mention pick up more first downs, and if forced to punt, will do so from a generally better position.

BZ – I agree that so far this squad has matched 2005, it will be interesting to see if thats the case after the regular season is done (Ill go ahead and assume no one will ever top the 2005 Big 12 Championship Performance). My guts says no, but my heart hopes for another holding Tech to 17 points.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Oct 23, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

completely agree but

Wow…great job with all those stats. You sir, have no time for a loving family!

by kriess on Oct 22, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Incorrect because

… I think I fell a little bit in love with bz after this statistical deluge

by UTeze on Oct 22, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okie State score?

So ignoring the OSU side, and using the fact that Texas is consistent on both sides of the ball, that would make the score… 37-24 Texas. If the odds makers keep it at -12 I’m placing a BON shirt on my list of spoils!

by UTeze on Oct 22, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Another flaw

is that this doesn’t take into account how many points a team COULD score if it wanted to. Take Texas and Alabama for instance. Texas has played exactly one close game (OU), where the starters played the entire time and we didn’t “let off the gas”. In most of those other games we could have scored 10-20 more points if we had wanted/needed to. Alabama on the other hand has played at least 3 (being generous, I doubt they intentionally only scored 20 against Tulane and I doubt they let up too much on Clemson) close games.

Based on my totally unscientific judgement I’d say Florida and LSU each played 3 games in which they probably couldn’t have scored more if they’d wanted to.

Minor, but it is in UT’s favor so I had to throw it out there.

Great job as usual BZ.

PS – Muschamp says you are a loser.

by Horncasting on Oct 22, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe not so minor

Nice piece of work,

You could say that UT, Oklahoma, Ok St., and Missouri (Maybe not Tech Leach keeps Harrell in ) didn’t play their first team all game, every game. It might be a point differential of 1 or 2 td’s for 3 or 4 games this season which might be a couple of tenths.

 How many 4th quarters did McCoy actually play in this year. there was quite a few games I saw this year for these 4 teams it was half way through the 3rd when the subs came out on both sides of the ball.

by Xerxes on Oct 22, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

The times we’ve actually been moving the ball at the end of the game with Chiles and then just ran the clock out. We easily could have scored on the last drive against Missouri.

by Horncasting on Oct 23, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, I made the chicken/egg argument

in the previous thread… it took two lines but it was also not very comprehensible. Thanks

by godelmetric on Oct 22, 2008 7:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I saw that

However, I totally used the term “chicken/egg conundrum” in my article for the Eyes of Texas 2008 that came out this summer. I totally win. Totally.

by billyzane on Oct 22, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

So,

are we down to which came first, bz’s chicken/egg or godelmetric’s chicken/egg?

by tdwalsh on Oct 23, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn, BZ

Glad you’re with us. I’d have to have you against us. You’d eat the other lawyers for lunch and not even apologize.

I did a little analysis of my own. And, being a fair and balanced sort, I sent a copy of this to our football of the week, Mr. Schlabach:

I would suggest is that if you’re going to use statistics to make a case, please be fair. Use ALL relevant statistics and information, not just those that prove your point. Consider:

**Why is Texas beating Oklahoma and Missouri by a combined 101-66 less impressive than Alabama beating Mississippi and Kentucky by a combined 41-34? To oversimplify, one team plays offense, the other defense. ‘Bama wins twice in games where one turnover or one play puts the scoreboard in the opponent’s favor (two unranked opponents, by the way). UT wins twice, once by outscoring the No. 1 team in the nation 25-7 over the last 25 minutes and the other with a 35-0 opening burst. Arguing that defense wins championships is fine – except Texas in 2005 and USC in 2004 pretty clearly won titles more on offense than defense.

**Most of the SEC’s top teams have first-year starting quarterbacks. Six Big 12 teams have been ranked in the top 15 at some point this season; all six returned their quarterbacks. Those six teams combined to finish last season 55-17 (regular season) and 5-1 (bowls), so those returning QBs were not only experienced but GOOD. Of the 19 total losses those six teams suffered in 2007 (counting the Big 12 Championship game), 11 were to one of the other six in this group and 16 were to Big 12 teams. This could be why the Big 12 is way ahead offensively. It could be why the SEC is way behind offensively (and thus putting up impressive defensive totals, because the offenses aren’t that capable).

**Of course we don’t know who the best team in college football is. And if Texas beats Oklahoma State and Texas Tech (and Kansas), we still won’t know. Those things are decided in January, not November, and they aren’t really decided definitively since there is no playoff system.

  • The Texas offense did whatever it wanted against Missouri. “We’re confident we can play with anybody,” Texas split end Quan Cosby said. “We know the Big 12 has some really, really good defenses.” Just not as good as the ones Texas might face in the postseason. (End Schlabach)

A fine point. So, why not finish it? Some (by your argument SEC) team will also have to face Texas’ offense in the postseason. Correct me if I’m wrong here.

 

by edsp on Oct 22, 2008 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

computer got me somehow

In the preceding, where the bullet is, it originally said (From
Schlabach’s article): The Texas offense, etc.

by edsp on Oct 22, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

BZ

Please tell me you’re still going to have a News & Views this week.

by BigTexBD on Oct 22, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Tour de Force, BZ

Rec’d and buzzed.

I encourage everyone to click on the yellow “Buzz up!” icon above the tags on this post. Also, BZ, did you submit this for distribution? We definitely want Schlabach and any of his readers to lay eyes on this.

by Horn Brain on Oct 22, 2008 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Honestly

I’m just flattered something I said warranted this much examination.

I have a feeling though that the comparison between ‘05 UT and ’08 UT will change over time because the ’05 team played a full conference schedule plus the Big 12 CG and a bowl game. Texas’ results so far this year are still diluted by games against teams like FAU and Arkansas.

I was guilty of knee jerk insta-contrarianism much like Senor Schlabach, but hey, I’m not paid to write for a major media outlet. The more I’ve looked at Texas this week the more I’m impressed by what I see. Whether or not they’d beat the ‘05 team I don’t know, just because (sorry Meyer and Tebow) Vince Young was the greatest college player of the current era.

I’m on the record elsewhere as saying I expect Texas to win out from here and go to the national title game undefeated, and I really do. Unless McCoy crashes hard back down to earth, they should win most of the rest of the games with ease.

I do stand by the notion that defenses are below average in the Big 12 as a whole. There’s a lot of great offense, of course, but there’s been plenty of bad defense in many of the games I’ve seen so far. And before you start jumping on me about that, I can assure you I’ve seen plenty of bad offense in the SEC games I’ve watched so far too. Seven of the twelve SEC teams have had quarterback controversies and an offensive coordinator has already been fired for crying out loud; I don’t know why it’s so difficult for some folks to just say that offense in the league took a step or two back on its own without help from defenses.

Sometimes you just can determine things on a macro level that are clearer if seen rather than dissected statistically. The stat sheet doesn’t differentiate between a receiver beating a well-positioned defender to a ball from a defensive back falling down and a receiver catching an open pass. It also doesn’t separate a pass batted away by a diving safety from a horrendous throw that doesn’t come within 10 yards of a receiver either.

by Year2 on Oct 22, 2008 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Not sure how relevant this is....

as the simplified point of this conversation is a conference war between the Big 12 and the SEC*, but below are USC’s stats…(titles are abbreviated to save for clarity but I found all totals by using the same methods as billyzane).

USC DEFENSE

Points allowed = 7.8 points per game
Opponents scored = 28.03 per game
Difference = 20.23
Season Ratio = .28
Game Ratio = .24 (or .316 I’m confused on this)

USC OFFENSE

Points scored = 41.5 scored per game
Opponents allowed = 23.6 allowed per game
Difference = 17.9
Season Ratio = 1.76
Game Ratio = 1.99 (or 2.13, again confused)

*I did my best and I think everything is accurate but there is definitely a chance I made an error or two. (There are some slight rounding errors though.) Really sorry if these are wrong.

According to this data, USC is “better” than 2008 Texas in every category but one (offense season ratio — 1.76 for USC, 1.77 for Texas). USC is talented, no doubt about it (since 2003, USC has ranked #3, #1, #1, #1, #2, and #8 in national rankings. This matters.

However, anyone who has seen USC play this year (specifically Oregon State, second half of ASU game) knows that there is no way they are significantly better than Texas. When you only play two ranked teams, you can’t afford to lose to a very average team for the third year in a row and be considered legit.

I don’t think USC’s stats disprove this incredible analysis. USC got the benefit of playing Virginia and Ohio State when they were lame duck teams; they have since greatly improved. They also ran up the score offensively (and defensively) by destroying ASU and Washington State (who have combined for wins over Portland St, Northern Arizona, and Stanford).

I think this is just an interesting anomaly because USC’s second team is playing at a high level vs a REALLY down PAC-10 this year (and again, Virginia and Ohio State before they got going).

by K-ram on Oct 23, 2008 1:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Da Vinci code revealed

That must have taken a tremendous amount of work and time, but it was extremely helpful in helping me look and put in perspective the overall big picture. Bet your DVR was on overtime. Additionally it was fairly complex but only slightly less then a Stephen Hawking density matrix theorem.

If I could let me cut to the chase, Mark Schlabach, in addition to being only slightly brighter then a pet rock was a graduate from the University of Georgia. He also worked for 9 years at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution covering UGA sports and the SEC. You think he may an have an agenda or at the very least be slightly biased? I’m going to go out on a limb and say that I’m getting a feeling that Mr. Schlabach may not be providing sound, responsible journalism. Nah, it’s probably just me.

by Dick Marcinko on Oct 23, 2008 2:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Incredible Job, BZ

Way to disprove the myth that people only become lawyers because they are adverse to mathematics. Also, admirable defenestration of Schlabach, he had it coming.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Oct 23, 2008 5:48 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

What amazing insight.

The Schlabach article is a totally offbase. Look at the dreck that the SEC trots out every week and claims as offense. Play Miss St., Ole Miss, Auburn, Arky and Tenn and average your stats. Then play Texas, OU, Okie St., Mizzou and Kansas and compare your stats then. I think some of these SEC defenses wouldn’t be so glitzy if they played in the B12.

by 71grad on Oct 23, 2008 6:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Are there even any bones left?

On Schlabach’s sorry carcass? Damn! DO NOT mess with Burnt Orange Nation! Piranha’s got nothing on BON!

Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate.
- Thomas Jones

by beast in bama on Oct 23, 2008 6:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Forced Turnovers

Another interesting addition to this analysis would be the comparison of forced turnovers by each defense. My gut tells me that on average, the UT defense is forcing fewer turnovers than some of the other “elite” defenses. I also believe that as the UT defense continues to grow in terms of both experience (young secondary) and evolution of the Muschamp system (only 7 games so far), that more turnovers will be forced and the ratios noted above could improve further. Other conferences should take notice that this defense has gotten better every single week. When do they peak?

by longhornsfan222 on Oct 23, 2008 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice Read

Good stuff. I don’t worry too much about the defense because whenever I think of our matchups I tend to relax about whomever we’re playing.
We do one thing (dominate the trenches) so freaking well that it allows us to do a ton on defense. And it’s unlikely that we’ll play anyone who can stop our D-Line from dominating.

by RolloTamasi on Oct 23, 2008 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

I woul like to see points per possession.

Ideally it would be nice to see how many points per possession a team is giving up relative to the number the oposition generally scores. This would take into account pace of the game.

by billb on Oct 23, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Rock M Nation has a good breakdown on that.

I think The Boy does it but he has some good stats that might work.

by Bevoboy94 on Oct 23, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Schlabach still picks us to make the BCS Championship Game

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowlprojection?season=2008&week=8

which confuses the hell out of me. Maybe he’s just posting bulletin board material to motivate us to show him up.

Texas '06.

by afrokinger on Oct 23, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I dont think he has any doubt that Texas can win the Big 12

I think his feeling is that Texas might not be able to compete against a team with a good defense, which he says we haven’t seen yet.

by billyzane on Oct 23, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

As is usually...

….the case, the Big-XII will be eight teams with 3-5 losses, OU and Texas playing BCS-quality ball and the two remaining teams (Aggie & Iowa State) playing very poor football. The only real surprise is Baylor swapping positions with Aggie.

Defense wins championships.

Scoring Defense of BCS leaders:

  1. USC
  2. Penn State
  3. Florida
  4. Ohio State
  5. Alabama
  6. Texas

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on Oct 23, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Very nice. I’d been thinking about doing something similar (but not nearly as well thought out), but all the number crunching scarred me away.

Do you think you could do a break down like that for all 12 teams in the SEC and Big 12? I think that would be a very good indicator of which conference really is better, top to bottom.

by UT_BKC on Oct 24, 2008 9:59 AM CDT reply actions  

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