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Race for the BCS: A Texas Fan's Rooting Guide

With as many games left to be played as there are, a wholly comprehensive break down of all the scenarios would be oppressively long, so I'm going go focus on two scenarios based on Saturday's showdown in Norman--breaking down the consequences of each and including a corresponding if-then rooting guide.

IF OKLAHOMA BEATS TEXAS TECH

We begin with the most widely discussed scenario, which is also the most complicated.

Texas goes to Kansas City if: (1) Oklahoma subsequently defeats Oklahoma State and Texas finishes ahead of the Sooners in the BCS Standings, or (2) Texas Tech loses at home to Baylor.

Texas goes to Miami if:  (1) Texas gets to Kansas City as outlined above and defeats Missouri, or (2) Oklahoma State beats OU and Texas Tech loses to Missouri, or (3) Oklahoma wins the three-way tiebreaker and loses to Missouri.

The following events would help Texas in this scenario: In the case of an OU win on Saturday, root also for:

  1. Rice (vs Marshall, vs Houston), Florida Atlantic (at Arky State, vs FIU), UTEP (at Houston, at E. Carolina), Arkansas (at Miss. State, vs LSU), Missouri (vs Kansas), Colorado (at Nebraska).
  2. Air Force (at TCU), Pittsburgh (at Cincinnati), Hawaii (vs Cincinnati).
  3. If you're really obsessive, identify and root against opponents of Oklahoma's opponents.
  4. Very narrow, less impressive Oklahoma wins in either or both of their final two games.
  5. Reasoned, highly-developed discourse about the merits of Texas versus Oklahoma. Hope for as many voters as possible voting the Big 12 South Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma--in that order. Every point in the human polls will matter.

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IF TEXAS TECH BEATS OKLAHOMA

And now the situation should the Red Raiders clinch the Big 12 South on Saturday:

Texas goes to Kansas City if: N/A. Tech goes to KC with a win on Saturday.

Texas goes to Miami if:  (1) Texas Tech loses to Baylor or Missouri, or (2) Florida loses to FSU and beats Alabama, or (3) Alabama loses to Auburn and beats Florida.

The following events would help Texas in this scenario: The projections above are not guaranteed to take place if the Red Raiders win out. Rematch-averse voters could vote USC or one-loss Alabama high enough to face Texas Tech in Miami. So Texas fans would need to root for:

  1. Voter willingness to see a rematch.
  2. Marginal gains by USC in the computers.
  3. Strong finish from Texas' opponents to boost its own computer average.

WHAT TO DO ON SATURDAY?

Some of you may find yourselves unwilling to root for Oklahoma on Saturday, and if so, you'll want to root for one of the SEC front-runners to stumble before the title game in Atlanta. That, or hope Baylor or Missouri can knock out Texas Tech.

If Oklahoma does win on Saturday, things will get ugly. Real ugly. Heated debates about all this will ratchet up to perhaps unprecedented decibels, the shouting match between Lubbock, Norman, and Austin likely to become a deafening roar.

For now, though, we wait.

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Do these scenarios work...

if Tech or OU beat one another lets say 63-10? Can one of these two teams beat the other so badly they plummet? Same with Bama and Florida, if the Tide comes out and rolls the Gatorades or vice versa by 35, do they drop like a Nolan Ryan curve ball? I’m thinking in the 7-10 range.

Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture

by run Bevo run on Nov 16, 2008 7:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It makes me sick to my stomach...

to know that ou can potentially play for a conference and national title. I’m going to hold out for the back door option to the NC game (Tech losing to Missouri). I have zero faith in the voters of the Harris and Coach’s polls to keep us above ou.

by Misterserious7 on Nov 16, 2008 7:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

me too

But let’s be fair. OU didn’t let down after the loss in Dallas; kept building its resume. The Sooners have done what they needed to do to stay in contention for Big 12/MNC appearances. They needed help after Dallas and got it on Harrell-to-Crabtree with 1 second left. That’s how the game/system work.

by edsp on Nov 17, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's like Texas in 2001.

OU beat Texas in Dallas, but then stumbled against Nebraska and OSU, giving Texas a shot at the Big 12 championship and (if we had beaten Colorado) the national champ………goddamnit.

by billyzane on Nov 17, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also need to root against

Washington and Chattanooga.

Houston looked pretty good yesterday, they could hurt us playing both Rice and UTEP.

I don’t see how it is so hard for folks to hope for an OU win when it could mean a huge turning point in our program’s history. Seems pretty aggy.

by Horncasting on Nov 16, 2008 7:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Unless you come to the conclusion that Texas’ path to Miami is easier with a Tech win (which I don’t see), it strikes me as totally Agro-minded to say “I can’t root for OU this week.”

--PB--

by Peter Bean on Nov 16, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rooting for an OU win...

is not that difficult. Obviously, it is the only way the Horns have a shot at a conference title and probably the best path to Miami. That said, a Tech win completely eliminates OU from the conversation and we are left hoping for a Mizzou win in the CC game. Neither situation is clear cut, but I do like OU having a zero percent chance at either a CC or NC.

Awe, screw it. Let Florida lose to Fla St and yet still beat Alabama. Then we can all scream for an exclusively Big 12 National Title matchup! Texas/OU or Texas/Tech

by Misterserious7 on Nov 16, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Deepest of deep hates

I dont think yall understand how much some Horns hate OU. There is almost NOTHING on this planet I hate as much as the Sooners. The thought of OU makes me ill. Seriously. so yes its hard to root for the Sooners, it would be hard to root for them if their victory this weekend gave Texas EVERY NC for the rest of time… Im going to put on my Burnt Orange Shades and watch the game yelling “GO COLT !!” everytime Bradford throws a TD

"Texas Till I Die"

by Texas4Life on Nov 17, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

re: chattanooga

They are not FBS, correct? If that’s the case, does it matter how they do? I was under the impression that non “Div. I” schools didn’t count in the computer rankings. Is that not correct?

by junglerules on Nov 16, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

FCS teams do count

The computers essentially rank the FCS teams.

For example Chattanooga is ranked in the mid 200’s in the computers that list teams other than FBS. I think before the NCAA added the 12th regular season game, DI-AA teams did not count, but they do now.

This drags OU’s SOS down, and Tech also struggles due to having TWO FCS teams on its schedule.

by LonghornSean on Nov 16, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My understanding

Is that some of the BCS computer models consider them and some totally disregard them.

by Horncasting on Nov 16, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping

for ALA and FLA to both lose. I hate them worse than I do any Big 12 teams (especially former SWC teams). Plus it looks like Texas’s clearest path (though not the most likely) into the championship game.

My idea of second clearest path is OU and TT each end up with 2 losses. Also not likely, but much simpler than all the hair-splitting.

I’m rooting for clarity.

by rezboscace on Nov 16, 2008 8:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Two notes

(1) Add Oregon State to the rooting guide. Just in case it comes down to Texas vs. USC for a final spot, Oregon State winning out keeps “conference champion” from appearing in front of USC’s name. I am convinced that USC as a conference champion would draw some votes in a Texas-vs-USC scenario that they would not otherwise receive as a mere non-conference champion, 11-1 team.

(2) One thing that I can’t remember seeing raised in the event of the three-way heated debate is that, not only would we have played the toughest overall schedule of the three teams, but Texas would also have been the only team in the three-way round robin who didn’t get to play either of the two other teams at home.

Tech drew us at home. OU drew Tech at home AND drew Texas on a neutral field. We had to travel for both Tech and OU.

by Hopkins Horn on Nov 16, 2008 10:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

just like last year with Arizona State

even though USC beat Arizona State heads up if I remember correctly. I think they’re considered co-champs but Oregon State would get the Rose Bowl bid over USC.

by clra2 on Nov 16, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's true.

But I don’t think anyone puts stock in the “co”. Same thing happened to OSU in 2005, even though they lost to PSU they were still considered co-champs because of their record; it’s a title and no one takes it at face. I’m confident that USC will get a demerit if Oregon State earns the Rose Bowl bid, which is another way of saying they won the Pac-10.

Re: rematch. I think we learned in 2006 that this isn’t every going to happen. And honestly, it really shouldn’t.

by Kevin HD on Nov 17, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My only problem with Ou winning is this. We dont play this weekend and if you all remember bama did not play when we beat ou and we jumped them so i think if ou does win they will jump us. i would much rather have bama lose and possibly drop below FL so when they play each other and FL wins it wont be as much as a big deal. I really wanna t UT/ Tech rematch in the NC game.

by Bchildress on Nov 16, 2008 11:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Big XII Referees blow

Hey that might be decent, then we wouldn’t be suffering from the big 12 refs forgetting how their supposed to do their job. That’s about the only thing I wish was different about the big 12…

I’m torn, very few of these scenarios sound even remotely likely. Baylor is garbage, less garbage than most years, but they’re not high enough quality to beat Tech so I think all scenarios with that one are to be thrown out. I think that OU will actually lose in Norman to Tech, so we just have to hope that Florida stumbles and Alabama stumbles too. Hook’Em Horns!

TEXAS FIGHT

by Darklust on Nov 17, 2008 1:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ONE Thing

everyone keep say that we are going to get jump now if anyone thinks it’s bull crap, That we would even get jump by a team that we beat not to mention a team that haves, not won and bowl game since god knows is strait dumb
if it happen we are co champs no matter anyway it goes unless Tech wins out.

by KingMack on Nov 17, 2008 2:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Thanks for clearing that up.

by TKO on Nov 17, 2008 6:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Put down the bottle please.

Por vida?

"I asked Darrell Royal, the coach of the Texas Longhorns, why he didn’t recruit me and he said: "Well, Walt, we took a look at you and you weren’t any good.
- Walt Garrison

by 512 on Nov 17, 2008 8:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't ... Root ... For ... Sooners

I just can’t. Go Tech! then loose to Mizzou! If Tech goes to Miami, I hope they stomp the SEC to shut them up about Big 12 not being able to play defense.

by Samuelito on Nov 17, 2008 10:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Scenario:
1. Oklahoma beats Tech handily. BCS: Alabama, Texas, Florida, OU, Tech
2. OSU beats OU. BCS: Alabama, Texas, Florida, Tech, USC (Tech advances to B12 Title game by virtue of tiebreaker with Texas)
3. Tech defeats Missouri, Florida defeats Alabama. BCS: Florida, Texas, Texas Tech ?
4. National Title game: Florida vs Texas

I don’t think it is wrong to think that Tech falls behind Texas after losing to OU handily. What is to say that a win over Mizzou vaults them past Texas in the BCS?

OSU beats Oklahoma. Tech goes to big 12 championship game by virtue of their win over Texas despite being ranked below Texas in the BCS. Tech defeats Missouri and is still below Texas in the BCS. Any takers?

by kellen on Nov 17, 2008 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not so sure

In the OU-beats-Tech-and-OSU scenario, we’re hoping that the three-way tiebreaker becomes viewed by the human voters as a two-way between Texas and OU, with our win in October then influencing voters to get us the votes to win the South.

So in the scenario where OSU beats an OU that just beat Tech, and Tech goes to KC and beats Mizzou, why wouldn’t voters do the same thing in what would have become a two-way tie between us and Tech, especially a Tech that had just added Mizzou to its list of victories?

by Hopkins Horn on Nov 17, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

SOS Rankings

Texas is number one in SOS rankings:
http://gberatings.com/sos/

by gy2020 on Nov 17, 2008 10:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

PB, don’t you love the “scenario” game that the BCS makes us play? And to think, we wouldn’t have anything to write about if we went to a playoff system.

by Cory Williams on Nov 17, 2008 11:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Colley's Bias Free Matrix

I think one of the most valuable computer polls is the Colley’s Bias Free Matrix, and it provides some good ammunition for the Longhorn’s cause in the event of a three-way…..er…ok…tie. Colley’s doesn’t factor in home field or margin of victory, it simply looks at who you beat, who they beat, and who they beat beat, etc. etc. An important piece of information that comes out of their analysis is Strength of Schedule. I’ve heard some mis-informed folks state that “Oklahoma had a strong non-conference schedule” because Cincinnatti and another team I can’t recall off hand could be champions in their conference.

No matter to the Bias Free Matrix because those “Championship” teams…don’t really play anybody to speak of.

The Horns sit atop Colley’s Bias free even at 9-1 primarily because THEIR OPPONENTS HAVE A COMBINED WIN LOSS OF 73-42 and an SOS Rank of 2!!!!! That’s not a misprint. The people Texas has faced are really good teams, so even with one loss Texas is still a very strong team. Let’s compare now with the other “Top” teams in the land:
Alabama: 51-61
Florida: 60-43 (They’re second in Colley)
Oklahoma: 52-56 (Even having defeated mighty Cincinatti)
Texas Tech: 49-58 (Gag me!)
USC: 51-53 (Fight on!)

So, PB is dead on when calling for Florida Atlantic, UTEP, Rice and Arkansas victories. Every victory by a team Texas has defeated helps Texas in the Colley’s especially. Of course if TT beats OK, then all bets are off.

The only plausible scenario in my mind hinges on an Oklahoma win over Texas Tech. OK HAS to beat TTU. Then we’ve got a shot. So say we all have one loss and OK happens to go to the B12 Champ game? Pull for Missouri! If we all have one loss and UT goes to B12 Champ game? Just win, baby! It could actually be better to sit out the championship game and let Missouri be spoiler. But if TT wins at OK and loses to Missouri, then we still have a shot.

Colley’s also has this interesting “Add/Subtract games” feature. The perfect storm FOR UT?

TT loses to OK, who loses to OSU TT11-1, OK 10-2
TT goes to B12 Champ and loses to Missouri TT-11-2
UT beats A&M (you still have to win your games) UT-11-1
UT plays either Alabama or Florida, we don’t care UT-12-1! NC!

Another way….

OK loses to TT OK10-2 TT12-0
We don’t care what happens to OK-OSU, we beat both
TT loses to Missouri in B12 Champ TT 12-1
UT beats A&M UT 11-1
UT beats either Alabama or Florida, we don’t care UT-12-1! NC!

In any case, NEXT year was actually the championship year. This will wind up like ‘04, it’s a gelling, development year. Defense is starting to come around. Offense is ok, add some running game. Next year could be the year Texas becomes the hands-down most feared team in the nation, dominating all comers, ala Nebraska ‘95. It should be pretty sweet. And yeah, if we get it this year, it’s just icing. Hook ’em!

by calonghorn on Nov 17, 2008 5:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I can’t blame y’all for playing the what-if game. I’d be doing the same thing myself.

But rooting for OU? What’s next? Selling your children? Are you that desperate?

How about rooting for the SEC teams to stumble over each other? We would dearly love to play y’all again in the NC game. If nothing else, another whipping might stop the incessant whining.

by TT_ on Nov 18, 2008 7:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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