Allow Me To Introduce New Angles to the Will Muschamp Narrative I've Not Yet Seen
Just a long conversational post about the latest and greatest in UT football. I'd love to hear your take. I can understand the glee permeating BON - I personally think Muschamp's been the X factor in 2008 simply because of the new 'play for blood' mentality he's injected into the program. But I do think once the euphoria dims and the typically business oriented aspects of NCAAFB play out, we might just find ourselves feeling the same kind of vitriol and disappointment towards Muschamp that LSU and Cardinals/Falcons feel towards Nick Saban and Bobby Petrino respectively.
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In today's world of coaches opting out of verbal agreements all the time, should this really be considered such a slam-dunk deal for the Longhorns retaining Will Muschamp's services for the foreseeable future? Perhaps. Probably in fact. And the main reason I think that is because on the college landscape, there's not many jobs better than Texas, if any at all. In terms of money, sure, a number of schools can match what Texas can pay. But the combination of money, fertile recruiting grounds nearby, facilities, etc etc etc all make it hard to think Muschamp would get impatient and not wait for the guaranteed gig just a few years down the line.
However...
We're talking about the hottest commodity on the market right now in coaching in college football. Every last major opening is clamoring for Muschamp. It's debatable just how desirable jobs like Clemson and Tennessee are. Same with any openings that may take place at schools like Auburn in the immediate future. Most of these jobs have intriguing upside (mostly $, but also fan fervor and overhyped prestige/tradition), but they also have legitimate cons compared to Texas.
But what if the Penn State job opened up after 2009? Or the Florida State job? Or if Urban Meyer wanted to try his hand in the pros after possibly winning another National Championship (or two) after 2009? Would Muschamp really refuse those jobs if Mack had not yet made a formal announcement that 2009 would be his last?
Couple more (stream of thought largely) final points that I hope some of y'all will weigh in on.
* Calming the Storm: Most likely, this move was made because of all the buzz about Muschamp being the top candidate for a number of fairly high profile jobs at season's end. If you have another explanation or if I failed to read one, let me know. But I think most agree there.
* This is not binding. All this is for now, at least in the worst case scenario for us, is extra leverage for Muschamp to up the stakes at the negotiating table if some serpentile school approached him regardless of this arrangement. We can all agree that Texas is a better job than the Miami Dolphins or the LSU Tigers were in the case of Nick Saban, or similarly with basketball coach Billy Donovan, and on and on. But the bottom line is there are huge egos involved in this game and in the coaching profession. Schools come a knocking with offers of $3+ mil..? $900k is nice, but it's still chump change even compared to what guys like Mike Leach make at fairly average reveue generating schools like Texas Tech.
* How Long Is Too Long To Have To Wait? Sure, it's a dream come true to have your first head coaching job be at the University of Texas. A fairy tale. But a couple of things. First, and let me emphasize that there's no way at all this would cross Muschamp's mind until the mega dollar signs were dangled in front on his face...but Mack Browns first head coaching job at App State came at age 32. His first 'major' job was at UNC at age 37 after being hired at Tulane at age 35. If Mack were to walk away at the end of next year and made his intentions known perhaps during the two-three weeks leading up to Bowl season, then I could see it all falling into place nicely. Particularly if Brown's '09 Horns were undefeated and going to play in a Title game. That'd be a nice Mack'esque story to go out in the sunset to and Muschamp would obviously be right there ready to take over.
But what if no announcement was made near or at the end of 2009? Might Muschamp get antsy then? Would he wait until he's almost 40 years old to try his hand as a head coach? Again, if nothing else, I hope that we all can agree (in addition to this being one the top three or four jobs out there at worst) that schools will continue to keep knocking on his door in the future. If it's just one year to wait, or if Brown might say 2010 would be his last not far removed from the end of the 2009 season, then I think all will be well. But if not. I dunno. Just to show how money could become a factor if we're talking about having to wait past 2010, here's a list of the Big 12 coaches salaries, likely not accurate down to the last dollar when factoring in all the peripheral revenue streams these guys get through various media and appearance fees:
1. Mack Brown (Texas) $2.8 million
2. Bob Stoops (Oklahoma) $2.65 million
3. Mangino (KU) $2.3 million
4. Pinkel (MU) $1.85 million
5. Mike Sherman (Texas A&M) $1.8 million
6. Mike Leach (Texas Tech) $1.65 million
7. Bo Pelini (Nebraska) $1.6 million
8. Art Briles (Baylor) $1.4 million
9. Dan Hawkins (Colorado) $1.1 million
10. Gene Chizik (Iowa State) $1 million
11. Mike Gundy (Okla. State) $953,000
12. Ron Prince (Kansas State) $754,140
Ok, so Mike freakin Sherman will be making considerably more money - ahem 2x as much - as William Muschamp next year. Mangino? 3x as much? Hmm. Maybe for one more year Muschamp could tolerate that. But more than that? You think Boom MotherFuc&*r will stand for that? I dunno. I don't care how great the job is in the future. Money talks, bullshit walks. And it talks NOW. Not later. When we're talking millions of dollars, I can easily envision a scenario where he could talk himself into taking an inferior job to Texas that paid just as well. Like a Tennessee, Clemson, etc.
It's also worth mentioning that snakes like Bobby Petrino still get paid huge bucks, even after showing their utter disloyalty and total lack of accountability. Petrino makes about $2.85 million at Arkansas this year after being dogged by EVERYBODY he came in contact with in 2007. Just saying. It's not career or character threatening to renig on your word in today's game.
* A History Already of Transition - Muschamp's already bounced around plenty. He was with Saban of course at LSU, then joined him in the professional ranks at Miami when Saban bounced. Obviously Saban asked him to come and said he was his guy - he was afterall named the 'Asst Head Coach'. Yet, after the 2005 year, a year in which the Dolphins defense fared quite well, tallying 49 sacks and finishing above average defensively in spite of their collective struggles, Muschamp bailed town to take the Auburn job.
So in other words, in my estimation, he snaked The Snake. Saban hitched his wagon to him, telling him all sorts of things about how it was 'you go, we go' for the two of them. But Muschamp knew better. He picked up on Saban's tendencies to renig on his word and be self-serving. Nothing wrong with that really when it comes to career advancement and self-fulfillment in a brutally cut throat profession. Muschamp sacked Saban and the Dolphins, supposedly for some 'impossible to pass up on job at Auburn'? Only to skip town from Auburn a few short years later?
We're not talking Major Applewhite returning to be a RB Coach when he could have been an OC or head coach somewhere. We're talking about a coach in Muschamp with a history of transitory proclivities as long as his resume of success coaching up defenses. Again, matters not if he doesn't have to wait long. But if he does, all signs, to me at least, point to impatience.
* Finally, I'd like to close with this. Why in the f&^'s sake is Mack Brown retiring??? He was born in 1951. That makes him 57 years old to us non math majors like myself. Me and PB's father is well into his 60s. The last ten years have been the most productive and fulfilling for him professionally. I'm sure it's similar for many in today's society where people rarely retire at 55. JoePas a legend for all he's done for Penn State as an instituion, not just on the field, but he's kind of become a joke to many of us. But still, the fact is, in 2005 when we won it all, he was a last second TD pass by UM from an undefeated season. And this year's team has been nationally relevant as well. Bottom line is it's not impossible to maintain success at a much much older age. Paterno's the extreme outlier, but we're talking about nearly 30 years Mack's elder!!!
Furthermore, is Mack Brown really going to retire with one or two conference championships under his belt?? At age 58 with plenty of physical vigor left in him? Helloooo? As I mentioned, Joe Paterno is like 115 and B. Bowdens on his tail. Cripes. Mike Sherman...MIKE SHERMAN is just a few years younger at 53 years old. God knows he'll be in the game for 10 years after the Farmer Failure to try to restore some sense of closure and meaning to his professional life before calling it quits. Jim Tressel is one year younger than Mack at 56 and I don't see him calling it quits anytime soon. Tressel's had a similar trajectory to Brown. Peaking in his late 40s and 50s. Why stop now when the going's just starting to get reat good? Even though we all know the truth of the matter when it comes to which is the better job - Texas or Ohio State - they both carry the same CEO type responsibilities that can be physically taxing, but certainly navigable with all the financial resources available to delegate.
And Pete Carrol? The same age! Carrol's waiving his pom poms and....I won't continue. I don't know Mack Brown personally and I don't know what his ambitions in life are. But if they are most heavily centered around coaching and being remembered as one of the greats, it's insane to think he's ready to pack it in, even if he does win another Big 12 and perhaps MNC in '08 or '09.
My point is: WHY? Why is Mack hanging up?? I think he's really just now hitting his stride as a coach. He was a bit defensive and insecure at first under the microscope here. But a boatload of wins, a MNC, and the flagship program in America whe it comes to resources all help relax a tremendous football coach so he can go about focusing on making necessary adjustments and winning football games. Mack has done that and what we're seeing now in 2008 is his ability to field a title contending team with young players, something Mack wouldn't have been able to do earlier in his career. So basically, every year now has the potetial to be unbelievably gratifying and fruitful for Mack if he learns from all the things he's done right in recent years, particularly since last year's Holiday Bowl preparation.
I don't get it. And 500k of commemorative money be damned. I think we've learned this about Mack Brown this past year: He's a competitive SOB. Sorry, unless the Horns catch snake eyes and win the Big 12 this year and/or are in position for a conf title and MNC next year, I just for the moment have a hard time seeing Mack walk away at the end of 2009 with what we know about his competitive spirit and his easy to misinterpret resume. And next year's no slam dunk. We all know better than to put our faith in the athletes, so if McCoy were to leave after this year....
Lots still in play here. Far more than just the guaranteed possibility of Will Boom-Father Muschamp remaining in Austin for years to come. Just one Horns' fan opinions, but I'll get my concerns on the record first I suppose.
P.S. It's not like Deloss Dodds, Coach Royal and Mack Brown are going all-in with this move. There's this guy named Major ready to step in the case of an emergency. Texans love their own and many fans like to hate on Texas around the country. Muschamp leaves, particularly to SEC country, people rationalize, or at least forgive and forget. For us Horns fans? We get our guy in Major. Kumbaya.
Lots still in play though in my humble opinion.
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My question to you would be
So what if all this does is keep Will here as DC for another 2 years, before someone snoops in and snatches him away? Does that make this a bad deal?
I would say hell no. The immediate future is always what is most important in college football, and keeping some stability at DC is right now the biggest boon of this announcement. Forget the HC part of it, you are right, none of that is air tight, but what does appear to be solid, is that Will is going to be here for at least a few more years to coach this young defense to greatness.
I don’t see the point in worrying about when Mack will retire or who will replace him anymore than I was worried about it on Monday. The bulk of this announcement is, Will is coming back. Its that feeling that we were robbed of hoping for Durant or TJ to stay another year and give us our best shot at putting together something memorable. Except this time, we can pay Will to stay, and we did. Great move imo, and we will see what happens down the road, well, down the road.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 19, 2008 8:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
I’m not thrilled about the whole head coach angle. Not because I don’t think highly of Muschamp, but because it just seems way, way premature. But all this really boils down to is doing what it takes financially to keep him as our DC for the next few years.
In a perfect world, Muschamp’s next few years are spent getting our defense to a level of greatness, while learning the recruiting and headcoach as a CEO ropes from one of the best.
by Horncasting on Nov 19, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about the domino effect...
In case you didn’t see the Texas Monthly issue about UT as a viable industry unto itself, being the AD at UT is about as good as it gets these days aside from being a party planner at AIG. Dodds will step down within five years, Brown moves up instead of on, and Muschamp moves into the head coaching job. Applewhite stays on as offensive coordinator with Will still keeping his hand and heart on the defense. They offer Applewhite more money when all of the dominoes fall to keep him on for him to cement his legacy where it all started. He may try his hand somewhere else during all of the time Will is there, but make no mistake about it, Major will be next in line after Will. In the meantime, all Texas has managed to do is pretty much sow up the next 30 years of the program in terms of recruiting as any potential player will know that they will be playing for one of the three guys mentioned above with little or no transitional affect when one of the coaches moves on. Smart move on all sides with hopefully Major being on-board as he still has lots to learn before taking over the sacred position!
by Robertpz on Nov 19, 2008 8:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
totally agree...
there ARE no 100% gurantees anymore but this is about as good a plan as can be crafted…the stability of this ‘succession plan’ gives UT an edge in all aspects of the game and is better for Muschamp as a coach in all respects. He might make close to double his new salary if he bolted now but he’d have 4 times the expectation, and let’s face it Boom doesn’t have the offensive experience and would be forced to rely too much on an OC wherever he goes now. Not a good place for a young coach to be.
If I may be allowed a nerdy Star Trek analogy, its better to be the First Officer on the Enterprise than the Captain of a lesser ship!!!
by longhornJ on Nov 19, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Recc'd
However, I’d also rather be a First Officer on a lesser ship than wear a red uni on the Enterprise.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 19, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
He might make close to double his new salary if he bolted now but he’d have 4 times the expectation,
Really? More expectations than at UT in Mack’s wake? That doesnt make much sense considering that the ABSOLUTE BASEMENT that persnickity UT fans will accept is 10 wins a year and just missing out on Big 12 Championships. That’s what Mack does and it seems easy to replicate, but you’re really going to say that the expectations at a program like Clemson are lower than at Texas??? Haha. Sheesh. I assume you’d take that back but go look at Bowden’s records during his tenure and tell me that that would fly with UT fans for as long as it did with Bowden.
Hell, to remind yourself of homegrow UT ‘low expectations’ and see what yall were saying about Mack last year around this time.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you misunderstood
He’s talking about right now. As DC his expectations and responsibilities would be less than the head coach elsewhere. He can basically make head coach money to be an assistant, and worry about the HC stuff down the road.
by Horn37 on Nov 20, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too funny...
Loved the AIG party planner dig…good one.
Hook ’Em
by Horns757 on Nov 19, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
quick points
1) jimbo fisher is already promised the FSU job.
2) if it would simply take a huge pay bump to move WM, he would have left NOW. tennessee and clemson are both very wealthy and very desperate. he could have had something in the 2+ million range now so i don’t believe that the same kind of offer will blow him away if it’s a couple years from now.
3) the mack retirement speculation is very interesting but entirely speculative from our end. given that deloss (in his early 70’s), mack (presumably the next AD), and muschamp reached this decision after sitting in a room together i think it’s safe to say they discussed the subject and everyone was satisfied.
by the chairman211 on Nov 19, 2008 8:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
interesting early thoughts..
Thanks for the clarifications, some of which I didnt know about.
Boddicker..Cool hair first of all. And good points. If it just means another year or two, so be it. Thatd be great indeed.
Robert, I’ll check out the article. In an ideal world, this makes tons of sense. Seems perhaps to me on first thought like a nice storyline for TM. Just don’t see that kind of stability in this game. Also, why would Mack want to be AD?? That’s a HUGE step down if you ask me. Much, much, much more time responsibilities. Endless meetings and beurocracy. Mack presently has people doing much of his recruiting, is limited in his work weeks during the offseason, etc etc. Not sure why he would even consider stepping down as coach only to work just as hard. Plus, its not like he can elevate the UT athletics program any higher across the board. Its top notch everywhere. What is there to accomplish. I personally dont see that as a possibility. Maybe some perfunctory advisory role but not AD
Chairman, hadnt seen that Fisher was named successor but I already feel sorry for FSU fans.
As for the money, all coaching banter up till now has just been speculation. Once the season, we’ll see what the suitors are truly willing to offer their desired guys. As of now, was all just speculation from fans and media. PLus, my point, which I probably dint make very cogently, was that the money will become MORE enticing down the road as Muschamp has to patiently wait his turn. For now seems tenable to wait, I think that could chage beyond 2009.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 9:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Meh
At the 0.9 mil pay level, you’re already pretty set. If he loves his job, then another 1.1 mil doesn’t provide enough marginal benefit to justify uprooting your family, pissing off your wife, and having to work your ass off rebuilding some trashed program.
He won’t have to wait long- the whole event chain hinges on Dodds retiring, which can’t be more than four or five years off. Sorry, I just can’t see Muschamp hitting the road with all of the factors involved.
by Tackchevy on Nov 19, 2008 9:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
haha
Whatever man. I dunno what you make, but if you were offered 200%+x as much, I dont think youd just say ‘meh’.
Lazy response.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When I say marginal benefit, I mean at his level.
I don’t make 900K, sadly- so if some company offered to double up my salary or more, I’d be out! I’d move, whatever was required.
I don’t see Muschamp as the super materialistic type, so I’m just saying that if you really love your life and your job at 900K, then 1.5 mil to 2 mil isn’t going to make a huge difference in your life (like the difference from going from 100K to 800K would).
by Tackchevy on Nov 19, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh..
So what did exactly ‘provide enough marginal benefit to justify uprooting his family…’ about the Auburn job over Miami or the other farily horizontal jobs he took???
If not money, what? And what exactly is ‘trashed’ about programs like Penn State, Florida, Georgia (if Richt were to fill a big vacancy)?
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
first of all
Penn State, Florida, and Georgia are no where near looking for coaches. Penn State will have plenty of other options and will not have to reach down to someone unfamiliar with recruiting the northeast to hire a coach. Florida – Meyer is going NOWHERE anytime soon. so silly argument. Georgia – same thing. Richt has built that program up and is very happy there. There would be very few jobs that would be a step up from a top 3 SEC program. Seriously.
The jobs available to him right now are trashed. Tennessee and Clemson. Both with the ability to recruit talent, but both in a state of disarray as a program. So, i think in the way that maybe he underestimates the pull of money, you overestimate it as a end all be all. Just because money means a lot to you doesnt mean it trumps everything in everyone else’s life. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to live comfortably on $900k a year.
Especially when the alternative is having to start life completely over by uprooting your family and expend tremendous time and effort attempting to rebuild a program. Read WIll’s press conference quotes. He emphasizes just how big of a factor those things were to him. You can believe he’s lying if it makes you feel better. But he has no reason to lie. If he wanted another job or wanted more money, he had the opportunites available to interview at the very least. That he decided he wasnt even interested in testing the waters and taking an interview is pretty telling.
And as for his “horizontal” jobs….did you consider that maybe, just maybe, he wasnt happy in the locations he was in? Maybe he didnt enjoy the NFL, thus choosing to leave the Dolphins. Maybe he didnt enjoy living in Auburn or working under Tuberville, who received most of the credit for Auburn’s defense.
Your analysis is just as closed minded as the one that your criticizing.
by 6th street on Nov 19, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha
Im sure lots of people said the same about Spurrier at Florida.
We’ll see about Richt.
Penn State? Who recruits the ‘Northeast’. I think you meant the Mid Atlantic, but anyway, if you want to win today, you better look outside of the eastern seaboard north of Virginia. If it’s not a Paterno assistant, I’d love to hear about all these other options PSU has that ‘recruit the Northeast’ that would be more desirable than a guy like Muschamp.
Way to critcize my analysis when I simply opened up many new avenues of discussion, and just said that saying ‘Muschamp wouldnt care about a 250% pay raise was naive’. Constructive 6th street. But not surprising.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i could have just stopped
Whe your first sentence read:
“Penn State is nowhere near looking for a coach…”
LOL. Really??? Seriously, I should stop there with someone like you if you’re for real
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
last thing to ure dikhead comments
Not suprising that you turned sour and defesive, but if you were objective and analytical wrt to what I wrote, youd realize that comment that I was ‘close minded in my analysis’ is just asinine and juvenile. Read again brother. Every step of the way I presented both sides of the consideration in the future. The amazing unique magnetic draws of Austin and UT, with the lures of impatience, immediate career fulfillment and financial windfall now, not later.
Do you have a career? Are those things not realistic considerations? Money and mobility? I’m sure you do, so don’t blow me off as close minded. Tool. I was anything but.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BS
it is possible to live comfortably on $900k a year.
Total utter BS!
by Bill Gates on Nov 19, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
more like 650k post taxes :)
I thought the Mike Sherman 1.8 mil stat might make some people realize that 900k for doing an exquisite job is bogus. But apparently not. THis boards pretty damn defensive when it comes to realizing that things like MONEY mean more to outsiders than whatever mythical unrivaled attributes insiders attribute to UT.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There will be bonuses this year.
There usually are when Texas does well. Particularly if they make (and/or win) a BCS bowl that would be in addition to salary.
So, that’s where the appreciation for Muschamp for this year’s performance would show up, probably in the six-figure range as per earlier years. So, there are other sweeteners.
That $.9 M is for next year, that half mil increase is a security deposit, so to speak, and is approved all the way to the Board of Regents. Texas is a state employer, so this was no-spur-of-the-moment type of deal.
Last, different people react differently to stress and have different health considerations. DKR lasted 20 years but got out as a relatively young man. He could have stayed forever if he wanted. What’s the use of making grandiose salaries if you can’t enjoy it?
Last, I think UT will be very careful in its choice of AD. Mack would be an excellent caretaker until that choice is made. Then he could move to an emeritus position, much like Royal now.
by whills on Nov 19, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A point about the money...
most assistant coaches, that are promoted to head coaches, increase their salaries from about $250k to about $1.5 million. Subsequently, most lose their jobs after a 3-4 years if they don’t show considerable improvement to the program (or in some cases, if they don’t produce conference championships). So assuming that a typical head coach gets about 3-4 years of safe contract money (plus potential buy-out money) they could earn something in the neighborhood of $6 million, without any success on the field.
Now let us consider the options placed before Will Muschamp. If he spends 4 more years (or so) earning nearly $1 million per-year, then before we even begin to factor in the minimum amount he would receive with 3 years of big-contract money, already, with bonuses, he would have close to $4 million in the bank before he even signs his first head-coaching contract, which is an unprecedented luxury for an assistant coach. And because Texas would likely pay him more as a head coach than most competitors, he would likely get at least three years at $2.5 – 3 million (plus bonuses, buy-out money, etc).
So while most coaches may be looking at around $6 million worth of safe money when they jump at a head-coaching job, Muschamp may be looking at closer to $10 – 12 million guaranteed, regardless of whether he succeeds as a head coach.
Its all about guaranteed money, because success is unpredictable. Every promising assistant coach gets one first-chance as a head coach to rake in the cash (Greg Robinson and Gene Chizik are having theirs now), and if he doesn’t succeed, that may be all he gets.
So in Muschamp’s case, he can get that money now from Tennessee or Clemson, two programs that look awfully precarious right now, or he can get that same guaranteed money from Texas, and inherit a program that is set up for longevity.
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 19, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Trashed
I’m referencing Chizik and Robinson here making their moves to Cuse and ISU.
As much as I like Muschamp, I don’t think he would be a top-tier candidate to take over at FL, PSU, or UGA. There are plenty of HCs at lesser programs that would be more appealing to those programs (like that bastard Leach).
Not the Muschamp wouldn’t succeed there- it’s just like any other job application process, in that sometimes you have to have the experience to even get into consideration.
The difference between those jobs and UT being that he’s already here and part of the program… In that way, it will be much easier for us to put trust in a DC with no HC background.
by Tackchevy on Nov 19, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's about keeping him around in the short-term
We don’t want to fish for another DC after this year. The best case scenario is that he stays the 8 odd years or so and takes over after Mack retires. The worst case is that he at least stays next year… with a very talented 2009 team that can make another run at a national championship.
I think that’s why most people are excited (at least, I am). I’m not holding on to any delusions that there is no chance he’ll leave for another job if presented with a nice opportunity. If, say, JoePa retired soon and they offer Muschamp a huge salary, it’ll obviously be tempting. But for now, he’ll remain our DC, which is reason enough to celebrate.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 19, 2008 10:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
A) Considering the short life cycle of unsuccessful coaches at major programs (even those with the OMG reputation of Will Muschamp), a guaranteed million per year with essentially absolute job security has a value in excess of the monetary dollar amount.
B) In situations like this, it is possible (and I think Tim Griffin mentioned it in this case) to have escalator clauses that might raise the base salary a certain amount each year Muschamp does not become head coach.
C) Jimbo Fisher’s contract allows for a few 100k to be be made by participating in fundraising efforts – though what his participation entails in terms of effort and time I don’t know. Muschamps take home per annum could be ~10-20% greater than a 900k “base” if his arrangement is similar.
D) Saban was out the door in a fairly scandalous way the year after Muschamp left. If Muschamp knew something we didn’t – quite likely – that may have been a case of making the decision before the decision was made for him.
E) If Muschamp were offered an arguably top 5 program like Penn State then the complexion of the ballgame would change. However, as has been noted elsewhere, top programs which are not in turmoil are typically unwilling to hand the reigns over to a man with zero head coaching experience. The head coaching market is one which suffers from a severely imperfect flow of information. We know more about Muschamp than do most programs, and certainly will after a few years of this deal. We are more capable of making a decision on whether he is a fit at Texas than another program is for their HC slot, save perhaps Auburn and LSU.
F) The Jimbo Fisher deal limits his availability in some interesting ways – the primary impact being to, as much as possible, keep him off the short list at other programs. He is bound to proclaim his interest at all times in assuming the reigns at FSU. They are attempting to make him a less interesting candidate, and have likely succeeded.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 19, 2008 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think thats a good point (A) that always gets overlooked.
Sure he could have made more money jumping ship to a HC job this season, but with what kind of job security?
Hes not going hungry on 900k (which is Head Coaching money at many schools), and his job security is basically as good as it could possibly be in the realm of college football.
900k in the bank for 5 years (Or however long Mack decides), plus his supposed 5 year HC contract (at I assume as much as he would have gotten from any other school) is a lot of money. You cant just say 2 million > 900k because its not that simple. If he doesnt do enough, fast enough, at a place like Tenn, does he get 5 years? What kind of job/salary does he pull after that?
This is as good a deal for Will as it is for anyone else, dont be mistaken, even in the money side of things.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 19, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno Boddicker
900k is chump change these days. Horrible coaches in marginal conferences make that.
Ego matters, folks. Hard to imagine him waiting for his shot into his mid 40s.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re a bit overboard with a dismissal of 900k + probable bonus structure + security to raise your family, but I’ll agree to disagree.
Assume, for the sake of argument, that Will Muschamp’s ego will only be sated if he becomes the head coach at a top 10 program, not merely a head coach. He could have done that years ago most likely. Clemson and Tennessee are not such programs, and certainly not now. He would be a raging success at Tennessee if they were able to win the SEC east every third or fourth year, given the realities of a resurgent Florida and Georgia, as well as recruiting competition.
Does that get him where he wants? Arguably, no. The mantle of “genius” that he currently benefits from is too easy to lose due to factors outside of his control. Should he only make Tennessee competitive, but fail to make them an MNC contender, he could easily be fired and find himself as the coach of a lesser program.
Clemson has better odds, but again, nothing is a given. Clemson hasn’t been a power since Danny Ford, who ran arguably one of the most corrupt programs in NCAA history. If that’s what it takes to win at Clemson, one is not jumping to a top job while getting one’s team banned from bowls and television.
As we have seen from the recent struggles of Dick Rod and Slick Rick, it’s very difficult to improve a program in transition. Even with previous success you’re doomed to a year of “firecoachschmuck.com”. If he’s offered the opportunity to take the head coaching position at Texas, with a presumably smooth transition and keep it in his pocket, why not? That’s a pretty big ego boost in and of itself.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 19, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
learned
top programs which are not in turmoil are typically unwilling to hand the reigns over to a man with zero head coaching experience
Although I agree, my question is, where exactly does this jive with our Muschamp decision?
by jc25 on Nov 19, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the issue in these situations usually stems from a lack of information, i.e. how will the coach interact with the larger program (boosters/high school coaches/recruits/academic affairs etc.). These are duties not typically asked of coordinators, and large programs expect that their new coaches will establish themselves elsewhere to demonstrate that they have these skills. If they don’t have them, or have some rough points, there’s not much time to improve on the job.
In this situation, where Muschamp is the de facto future, Mack and Deloss have time to evaluate Muschamp and provide some fine sanding if need be. Conversely, as Mack’s heir apparent, he can start performing duties (like the fundraising asked of Jimbo Fisher) that coordinators don’t usually do – but in a Texas specific atmosphere. And in large part, the general type of people he’s schmoozing with will be the same in both capacities. Similarly Mack can introduce him to the Texas High School football association as their new best friend – and many of these faces will not change.
It has the appearance of an odd sort of vocational tutoring. What most schools expect coaches to learn through blood, sweat and tears on the job at Toledo, Will Muschamp will learn at the Mack Brown School of Texas Coaching and Hair emporium.
If Muschamp actually stays and assumes the role of coach, we’ll have traded “head coaching experience” for a customized commodity. That could turn out fantastic, or it could turn out like the MBA who immediately takes a job as Vice President and knows everything except the kind of widgets we make. My inclination, though is that it will be close to the former.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 19, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Family Issues
No where is it mentioned one of the more important – if not THE most important aspect to a man’s life: his family. As Tackchevy mentioned, $900K is a boat load of money. More money is just more money, and Muschamp doesn’t strike me as the Saban type.
To quote from an article on ESPN:
The move is popular with Muschamp’s family, who didn’t want to move from Austin after living there for several months since arriving from his last job at Auburn.
“If I would have left, I would have left on my own because she was staying here,” Muschamp said of his wife. “She really loves the community and the people, and our kids love their schools. It’s just a special place and somewhere I want to be for a long time.”
…and I don’t think Boom is just paying lip service to the community or the fan base, either. Listen, the man is doing what he loves, surrounded by the best of the best (recruiting base, facilities, rabid fan base, support, etc), and his family is more than happy living in Austin.
Stability is key to happiness, and Boom has traveled many places over his 12 years in coaching:
Coaching Assignments
2006: Auburn (Defensive Coordinator)
2005: Miami Dolphins (Assistant Head Coach for Defense)
2002-04: LSU (Defensive Coordinator/Linebackers)
2001: LSU (Linebackers)
2000: Valdosta State (Defensive Coordinator)
1999: Eastern Kentucky (Secondary)
1998: West Georgia (Secondary)
1995-96: Auburn (Graduate Assistant)
I think that the family issue is something that really needs to be considered.
It's Mean to Wean
by Bombilla on Nov 19, 2008 10:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i hear ya
And you are a recent father. I am not. So I will not speak definitively about this belief of mine:
But I just think when it comes down to it, an immediate head coaching job with greater money – like 3x greater money – is something not to be dismissed as ‘close minded’ as 6th street so eloquently said from some hot bed of open minded thought on Brazos and 6th.
Security or not, as I mentioned, guys like Petrino ca still get jobs. Security long term is not an issue,
Again, as I said 6th street, if it happes soon…kumbaya, the family settles in and all’s well. The longer he has to wait, it becomes a smidge worth considering that a guy of his prestige and credentials gets antsy.
But thats close minded.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Money
No, no… I would never suggest that money is a non-issue. It’s definitely a draw…however, I think that Muschamp knows he’s in a good place and only needs to bide his time.
I am a new dad, yes. I’ve had the opportunity to travel and make more money doing it, but it just ain’t worth it. You miss too much of the world you are working so hard to provide for – there has to be a balance. Now, Boom ain’t gonna be working an 8-5 job, but the point is that he’s close to home and can be there at a moment’s notice.
Baah… I feel like I’m preaching here.
I guess all I’m trying to say is this: If he leaves for more money, he’s welcome to it. If he leaves for a head coaching job, he’s welcome to it.
If he leaves us when he said he wouldn’t then I wouldn’t want him back in any capacity.
It's Mean to Wean
by Bombilla on Nov 19, 2008 11:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
crap...
the above missive should’ve been a reply to Blitzburgh.
It's Mean to Wean
by Bombilla on Nov 19, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im just saying
That he hasnt had a chance to get that perspective!
He hasnt had a chance to be a head coach! Once! Where HE’s THE guy. Perspective is gained thru the experience you speak of. Muschamp has never had the shot to venture out and be head honcho. It’s powerful. He’s worked hard for it. Too hard to get paid 900k and wait on the sidelines. For TOO long that is. For a while. Just not TOO long. Not sure why thats so objectionable to a fanbase whos supposedly had countless opportunities to make choices based on well deserved money/immediate opportunity vs. anything long term
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course
I just get ridiculed for wanting to discuss how anyone could question UTs almight attractiveness, but seriously, were talking simple psychology and ego wrt to a career hes clearly REALLY REALLY passionate about
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as ego goes
If I remember right, he was about tied for the highest coordinator in pay when he came here, and hes about to DOUBLE that. We are about to have the highest paid coordinator in history. Thats not bad for ones ego either.
Maybe he still likes to be the D coordinator as well, and prove once again that he can have a top tier D at another program before he is ready to move on, and this deal gives him access to both opportunities.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 19, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do not think we all belive Texas is the end all be all.
I have realistic expectatuions that if a better HC job opened Muschamp might take it. However, that opportunity is unlikely to present itself. There are downsides to every job out there, and almost ever potential job out there. Granted there are other progams that are up at the top rung, but they are not loking for coaches and are not likely to be in the near future.
by billb on Nov 19, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking
That maybe Austin really is that special a place that it could outweigh offers of money. Then i looked up and realized that I was sitting at a desk in Burbank, CA.
So I throw my lot in with Bombilla. If he has to leave in a few years, he has my blessing.
by rezboscace on Nov 19, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and ure last comment about leaving 'us'
just reinforces my general point. And I’m not critical really about the reaction, because I felt the same way and would feel the same way for the other teams I loved. But for now, UT fans want to think that this is just a kid whos thrilled to get this gift on XMas. Fans deserve to bask in the immediate afterglow, but since BON prides itself on being so high minded, its woth considering that Muschamp doesnt really give a damn about UT fans, or anything related to the esoteric greatness of this school. Just $$$ and a chance to be the main man ASAP.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is this assumption based on?
If it was all about $$$ and being the man ASAP, he would be gone this year.
This deal is pretty much the biggest evidence that Muschamp is not all about the money and the responsibility. Or at the very least that hes not done being a DC yet. But the last thing it would imply, is that he wants a cash grab and a head coaching gig ASAP.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 19, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or
He got sat down with Dodds and Mack – two powerful figures and was sweettalked into an arrangement.
Just saying that nothing’s off the table in terms of self servig moves. Mack and Dodd’s move could be just that. So could Muschamps counter if something great opens up.
I mean, what are you really going to say if you are offered that? No?!? Hell, if nothing else, it just means more chips to bargain with when the next desperate sad sack school comes along. And we all know that ones word doest mean too much these days
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude.
It’s great to analyze moves like what transpired yesterday, but you’re quickly moving into the overanalysis / grabbing at any possible explanation / pure, unadulterated speculation realm of debate, and it’s already getting annoying. Unless you have some firsthand insight into what everyone’s motivations were (which you don’t, unless you discovered the secret to omniscience), you’re just spouting of crazy what if’s and did-you-think-about-this’s that you’ve already covered in this discussion.
by TXinDC on Nov 19, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Aight. I’m done. Sorry to bother u.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly
most of my issue is with mack retiring.
I heart Muschamp but hes no Mack Brown. Or at least I doubt he will. Theyre polar opposites so just the cliched talking pts of ‘getting groomed’ dont mean much to me. YOu cant change who you are or what got you here, and what makes Muschamp great might not be in line with whats allowed Mack to be successful.
I just think its dumb for Mack to retire and I personally kinda think he might feel the same way, at least long enough to give Will cold feet. Dunno why a 58 year old would retire with 1 Big 12 title.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll agree to disagree on the money front, then.
It’s hard for me to know the difference between $900,000 and $2mil, considering $900k is already about 25 times what I make. If I was told that tomorrow I could make $2million if I left my girlfriend and moved to a completely new city where I didn’t know anyone and I had huge expectations to deliver, or I could just make $900,000 but pretty much keep doing what I’m doing right now…
Well, that’s not a hard decision for me to make. And with that, I’m done commenting on this.
by TXinDC on Nov 19, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my last comment
That quotes cute from Muschamp about his wife leaving, but please. Thats just media darling stuff.
Sure, your loving wife wouldnt come with you in your first true chance to reach the pinnacle of your chosen profession. Riiiight.
Anyway, been fun. I’d like to see what someone like Bo Polini does at Nebraska over the next several years before I make any judgment about Muschamps potential as a head coach. Fairly similar imo, and both schools have similar expectations and available resources. Seems like he’s doing pretty weel in Lincoln. PB was spot on a month ago when he said keep an eye on this team to close.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man...
…I think you give too much respect to the bling, and too little respect to the substance of life. I don’t think this is a “high-minded” or esoteric statement at all.
Life is good in Austin. $900K buys a whole bunch of Wheaties, a nice house in a good school district, and a pretty cool truck.
Muschamp seems like a pretty smart dude. I think he knows that his time will come.
There’s this other dude on Mack’s staff named Greg-Something. Davis… Yeah, Greg Davis. He’s been there for awhile. I think he’s even been offered or considered for a head coaching job or two (seriously, I can only think of the SMU job in off-season 2006). Point is, he ain’t jumping ship for the bigger, better deal.
I also think that Muschamp sees what is going on with Chizik, Tomey, and Robinson and says to himself… “Nah. I think I’ll just stay here for awhile.”
It’s a pretty damn good gig, man. I have a feeling you may be a pretty young guy, though. Mind me asking how old you are?
By the way, I don’t think anyone has posted a “thanks” to you for your original FanPost, but it’s definitely prompted a bunch of responses (mine included)! Nice work, Blitzburgh…
It's Mean to Wean
by Bombilla on Nov 19, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
…I think you give too much respect to the bling, and too little respect to the substance of life.
First off, I think it’s far more likely to be the case that you guys are giving too little credit to the respect of bling as that is the circumstances you find yourselves in and the nature of fandom. When rich teams are searching for coaches, it is always and only about the money. When the discussion turns towards coaching retention, money is always peripheral because our city is so lovely and he just gets us and he wouldn’t do that and what a great deal he has going for him here.
Second, and sometimes I think Blitz gets off base from this, the main point he’s trying to further is that money matters and Muschamp had an opportunity to get some admittedly crappy coaching jobs THIS year, and as a result will likely get some opportunities, perhaps less crappy, to do so in future years.
No one wants to sound too cynical but that doesn’t mean we should be naive, either. It seems plausible that the reason for Muschamp’s pay raise was to keep him in Texas here, in the present, or at least for a few more years to discourage him from accepting jobs that would pay substantially more than 500K but not so substantially more than 900K. If that’s the case — and it would hardly be a controversial suggestion — then money is THE issue. Every coach loves the city they exist in.
In fact, the idea that Mike Leach would take another job is simply ludicrous. Because he loves Lubbock, we just get him, his family is there, Mormon churches, laissez faire attitude, free to do what he wants. Leach isn’t materialistic nor would he ever become so. He’s not in Lubbock for the money, he’s there because we let him do what he wants to do and that’s worth more than any bling…
Oh wait, there I go.
The reality is that coaches, including Will Muschamp, uproot their families all the time. And frequently these moves involve increases in pay from good jobs to better jobs. Finances motivate.
by Skin Patrol on Nov 19, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone is being naive
With regards to finances. $900k is a lot of money. What people are questioning is the assertion that $900k with great job security, a happy family, and a great football program where you love what you do isn’t as good as $1.5 million at some crappy school somewhere.
We all know money always plays a role, which is why we’re giving him a raise.
We also know that this does not guarantee that Muschamp will be around in 8 years or however long it takes for Mack to step down (hopefully not anytime soon). At least for me, I’m most happy about the fact that Muschamp is at least going to stay through 2009 and most likely 2010 with this move. With the benefits of his coaching and the boost to recruiting that will bring, that alone is worth it.
In, say, three years, it may very well be the case that Muschamp gets an offer he can’t refuse at a good or decent school and leaves. However, we locked him up for now. If he does decide to stay and learn and then transition after Mack retires, then that’s great. If not and he leaves after a few years, that’s still great. We’ll thank him for his contribution and wish him the best wherever he goes, as long as it’s not OU or something.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 19, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s all a giant clusterf**k of a cost/benefits analysis.
Either way, Muschamp is getting a good deal after this season. He could’ve moved on and made boatloads of more money, but been faced with reviving struggling programs. And would’ve pissed off his family (which, as has been said, is significant if you’re married and have two kids – how’d you like to be the new kid at school for the 4th year in a row, but this time you’re the local demi-God’s son? Money doesn’t buy friends or a low-profile at school).
OR
Muschamp stays here, where his family is happy, where he’s going to get over a 100%+ raise, where he gets to continue doing what he most obviously loves (who even ever said he WANTED to become a head coach after this year? maybe he doesn’t feel like he’s really ready for the responsibility), where he gets to reap the benefits of Mack’s recruiting/facilities/connections, and all the while he’s been groomed by one of the top ten head coaches in the nation.
Blitzburgh, I appreciate your stimulating discussion, but seriously dude, there’s more to life than money (even if saving that money for a few years would buy you your own private island).
Also, never, EVER, under no circumstances, underestimate the unique atmosphere that Austin, Texas has. In the six years since I’ve moved out of state, I’ve had near a dozen friends visit Austin once and get sucked in to move there. It’s crazy, but you can’t deny it, and I’m glad that Will has fallen “victim” to it as well.
by TXinDC on Nov 19, 2008 12:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hey..there most certainly is
And I miss Austin just 4 months after having moved there for work and school. Nothing like it.
But we all want to be compensated fairly for our work. And when guys like Mike Sherman are making 2x as much, and are able tp provide 2x as much for their kids in uncertain times, it matters. Sorry, I think it does. Tex Mex, best ritas on the planet, good schools for the kids, good people, etc be damned.
One need not be an ego maniac to think that way either.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 19, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is this a misprint?
From yesterday’s presser (muschamp) :On his offensive philosophy: I’ve got a lot of time to think about that. I don’t really like what we do as far as attacking the field. I know the things that will hurt you, and the continuity of what we’re doing is very important to Coach Brown and me.
by DaGoose on Nov 19, 2008 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stuff, guys
I really like — and had not thought about — the concept of “taking his name off the market” by locking him into a contract and an agreement for the future. Makes a lot of sense for the school to do that.
I was one of the few to take the (somewhat) negative approach on PB’s thread yesterday. Given some of Blitzburgh’s arguments, I’d soften my view somewhat. My fear was (is) that promising this job to somebody who’s never been, to quote from above, THE MAN, was the wrong thing to do. Additionally, what’s the rush?
But this has a chance to be a win-win situation (keep Muschamp for 1 to 3, or 1 to 5 seasons) as Coach1A is not a bad thing. I can’t help but feel Mack Brown has said, or at least hinted to his boss, that his retirement plans lean more toward 4 years than 8.
by edsp on Nov 19, 2008 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it just comes down to his values
if BOOM! thinks that mo money is mo better, then sure hed jump at the chance to make more dinero at any school willing to pay. But from what hes said about his family, i have to believe that he considers family to be important.
i think 900k more than covers any of his family’s worries about money, and his choice to stay then falls to the other variables: a happy family, financial security, job that he loves, guarantee that he will be making serious $$$ in the future, being taught the CEO ropes by the best in the bizz, being taught the recruiting ropes by the best in the biz, etc.
So I think muschamp cares a lot about his family (if momma aint happy aint NObody happy) and this along with the other factors all outweigh the purely monetary gain he could make by jumping to HC somewhere else. i mean to say he wont be getting antsy.
Lastly, if money is really that important, why wouldnt he jump ship this year? he has tons of options where he could make more than 900k, but he isnt taking them. this seems to argue that he isnt solely interested in money (although i do think it is an important factor, it’s just not the MOST AND ONLY important factor).
i think he stays and hes our next headcoach even if mack stays for 8 more years.
by Jester Texas on Nov 19, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why would Boom accept such an open-ended, paltry deal?
Well, let’s think about it:
1. He’s at one of the storied programs in the country, #2 in all-time victories.
2. He’s sitting atop the most productive recruiting hotbed in the nation, with an established pipeline to all that talent.
3. He’s got facilities that are second to none.
4. He’s living in one of the nicest cities on the planet.
5. He gets to learn the PR game from one of the best salesmen in the history of coaching.
6. He’s going to draw $900K per year (at age 37) until he’s handed all the keys to all the above.
Yeah, it just doesn’t make sense. He should leap at the first offer he gets for more money. ::rolleyes::
by BurntOrangeBoom on Nov 19, 2008 2:13 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
nobody ever said he SHOULD
just that i thought it was a legit possibility.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 22, 2008 2:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
by the by
Other interestive narratives, courtesy of HenryJames, that haven’t really been discussed here.
That scream you just heard came from Minnesota.
Interesting point…is Tim Brewster a more viable candidate if Mack were to retire following the ’09 season?
We pulled a Jimbo Fisher.
Have we hired the next Bob Stoops?
Are we confident enough in Muschamp that he’ll succeed at a Stoopsie level? If I recall, the reason FSU signed Fisher was because they thought he may jump to LSU (correct me if I’m wrong). It’s been a couple years…do they still wish they had signed that deal?
Also kind of discussed…
What, if anything, has Muschamp contributed to Texas recruiting? Most of our guys verbaled early (per usual), so Muschamp wasn’t a primary factor? Will this sway the big names to Texas? Has Muschamp been positively recruiting them throughout the fall? Would they have signed had Muschamp bolted?
So many questions…I love it.
by jc25 on Nov 19, 2008 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
FSU should be ecstatic with Jimbo Fisher
I’ve watched a few FSU games this year and the reason they are winning is Jimbo Fisher. Bowden, no disrespect, literally stands in the background and seems like a man who’s already retired. I don’t seem him on a head set, talking to players, diagraming or anything. He has been checked out of day-to-day for a while (who could blame him at his age and the stress it entails) and I think that shows in the record the past few seasons, recruiting woes, etc. Alas, it appears that Jimbo has taken over the team from everything I’ve read and seen on the situation recently, and the results speak for themselves. The D is rockin’, and the running game is the hammer that’s helped them to a 7-3 record so far despite a piss-poor, interception chucking machine in the passing game.
by KevinJ on Nov 21, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1. I think Muschamp realizes the value of learning more of the ropes of being a HC before jumping to that level. Chizik struck while the iron was hot, and so did Robinson, and neither one really took the “right” job, opting instead for the money. Essentially, sitting under Mack Brown is like a recent law school graduate opting for a prestigious clerkship for $50K instead of a solid firm job for $90-100K. There’s a reason people do that every year—often the best law graduates.
2. This move smacks of a desire to stabilize. If you’re recruiting a defensive prospect, other schools are probably pointing at Muschamp and saying, “Hey, that guy, he’s not going to be at Texas anymore, and who the heck knows who your DC would be if you commit there?” You know schools do that about Paterno, often quite effectively, and some used to do it about Bowden until they named Fisher the heir. Now a defensive recruit who signs with Texas thinks that the only reason Muschamp won’t be his DC all four years would be if he were the head coach. That’s key.
3. I don’t think there’s actually all that much of a chance that we’ll ever see Muschamp as head coach at Texas. This move gives Texas an excuse to pay Muschamp much more than any assistant coach in the nation and keep him in the fold for a few years, but I think the guy is gone—possibly to LSU or Auburn—in a few years.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 21, 2008 12:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Age also a factor
Chizik was 44, and Robinson was 53 when they each left UT for a head coaching job.
Chizik had been coaching for 15 years, Robinson 29.
Muschamp is 37 with 13 years of coaching. He also now making Chizik-like money at UT, with far better job security.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 21, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While I am eternally grateful to Gene Chizik for his work at Texas...
…and think he’s a good coach, he cannot built a winner in Iowa State, and that’s exactly why Will Muschamp is staying. He knows better. Gene, unfortunately, will be back down to a coordinator after next season, guaranteed…and it won’t be someplace as prestigious and “easy” to win as Texas. And once you’re down, as a coach, it takes a looooooong time to get back up to where you even started, let along the ultimate goal. How can Gene recruit against Ferentz at Iowa, let alone people in his own conference…Mizzou, Texas, Oklahoma, Tech, and Oklahoma State, and to a lesser extent Nebraska (history) and Kansas (Orange Bowl/fat man mystique). He can get a couple non-con wins every season (literally…a couple, and those are his only wins), but they hired him because they thought they had Muschamp…an inspired firebrand who could seemingly turn around a unit fast. The thing is, while I LOVE Will Muschamp, when you’re stepping into LSU, Auburn, Texas, etc the D may be underperforming, and you may make it seem great, but the cabinet was far, far from empty when you got there. Taking over an entire program that’s struggling is a differnet matter entirely. What would Will find in Old Mother Hubbard’s round ‘bout Washington? Clemson? Sure, Clemson is a step above Iowa State, but to win at that level consistently enough to get the jump to a powerhouse like Texas, Michigan, etc is a big one that takes several seasons. It would be 4 years before he’d be ready and offered one of the big boys anyway. So, why not stay in-house? Why not learn? Why not install what you want as a head coach? Why not get rich doing it? Why not HAVE FUN and PUT DOWN ROOTS? All of that is nearly impossible to find in the coaching profession, and Will has found it because he earns it every single day.
by KevinJ on Nov 21, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Long Term Perspective for Muschamp
I thought it very revealing in the 11/18 interview with Muschamp posted at the MackBrown TX whatever website that he noted that most head coaches only last about 3 years.
It is my impression that Muschamp realizes that he COULD go someplace like Tennessee, but that he still is young and has very limited head coaching experience, which in this day and age is at least 50% PR, internally and externally. So if you want to make an actual career at being a head coach, you need to secure a great apprenticeship somewhere. You’d want a successful head coach to tutor you, a great athletic director to cover your butt while you learn and teach you how to deal with administrations, and you’d want some inkling that you’d get some consideration for the job yourself down the road at the appropriate time.
Another consideration is where you end up WRT recruiting, too. Speed is the determining factor, so you’d want to end up in Texas, Florida, or California, the three states where you go shopping for speed, as is widely conceded. [OU is nothing with Texas schoolboys, and Nebraska will never be anything again if they don’t get back down here successfully.] There are at most 8 schools that fill the bill: UT, TAMU, USC, UCLA, Cal, FL, FSU, and maybe Miami.
Muschamp will be introduced around to all the high school coaches in Texas, and have a few years to settle in with all of them. This gives him good PR and good recruits, and we already know about how he coaches …
What more could any other coaching opportunity offer him?
by Pops'72 on Nov 24, 2008 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
contract
the fact that mack still has EIGHT years on his contract(check me if im wrong) doesnt play a factor into this? possibly another episode like will had with saban but if not then Will will be fit with the tools mack can teach him over the next eight(check if im wrong) years and be ready to lead the horns to multiple NCs
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 28, 2008 7:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
has anyone thought that when mack leaves, greg davis is likely going with him? every position will have a new coach in it.
Muschamp as HC
Major? at OC
Someone at DC
i just think it’s interesting that one man leaves and every major coaching position at Texas is in transition.
by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 29, 2008 1:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to mention one very important thing.
Will’s wife wants to stay in Austin and the kids like it here too.
"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer
by rodcarew on Nov 29, 2008 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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