Wilbon PooPoos Muschamp Hire, Claims Racism
Michael Wilbon, on "Turico & Van Pelt Show" on ESPN Radio today called the Muschamp hire lazy and "suspicious," and said that hiring him was racist because now they won't have to consider any African-American candidates for the position when it opens.
I personally love MW and think quite highly of his criticisms but in this case I think it's just sour grapes. I agree that there should be more black coaches, but as it's been discussed lately they just don't put themselves in the right places all of the time. This was simply a case of needing to wrap coach boom to a longterm placement. He was going for interviews THIS week for goodness sake. He was gone if we didn't promise him something. Will this signal a return of any old burnt orange defensemen? The departure of certain offensive stalwarts and/or the promotion of any young turks? How long will Mack stay? I have my opinions, as does everyone, but we'll have to wait and see how it plays out.
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Absurd.
To pull the race card here is just plain absurd of Wilbon. Sometimes he can be right on, but in this case he seems to be reaching unless he knows something about Deloss and Mack that we don’t.
"Like I said, I'm going to bleed orange until the day I die." -V.Y.
by 4th and 5 on Nov 19, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Garbage. Pure garbage. It is people like him who bring the real racism in because I guarantee you, nobody within the University of Texas was even THINKING that. Yeah, we did this thinking, “Now we don’t have to look at black coaches, he he he.” Goodness gracious. I like Wilbon, but if he keeps this up he’ll just sound like a retard like Scoop Jackson always does.
I am so surprised he said that. Talk about pure stupidity.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 19, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wilbon is correct...
…in that the Muschamp hire means that the Univ. of Texas won’t be looking at a black coach for the job, which is sad because the amount of minority candidates as head coaches is lamentable.
However, he is wrong to call it racist. UT’s preemptive choice of muschamp means they’re not looking at anybody else, white, black, male,female, whatever. There’s certainly no evidence of racism here. And i agree w/ you others, by wrongly crying wolf, Wilbon shoots his own cause in the foot a little bit here.
by Heart of a Muschampion on Nov 19, 2008 2:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My email to PTI
To Mike Wilbon:
Wilbon, I honestly like you. I get some entertainment watching you on PTI and you never struck me as a moron like Bayless or Scoop Jackson. However, your comments regarding Texas’ Muschamp hire are entirely off-base and frankly so stupid that I don’t know whether to laugh or to just roll my eyes.
To be blunt, Wilbon, you bringing up the race-card here is wholly pathetic and shows great insecurity on your part. I’m a minority myself, and I find it shameful that you’d pull that our of your rear end just because… what? You’re bitter there aren’t more minority coaches (actually, check that: Not minority coaches, but African-American coaches)? You dislike Muschamp because your favorite school couldn’t get him? You simply dislike the Texas Longhorns? You tell me. Your logic is awful and you sound like the real racist here, akin to those people who react to minority hirings with, “Well, he just got that position because of affirmative action.” As offensive as that may be to you, I’m just being straight: You’re exactly the same as those people.
I can’t get into Mack or Deloss Dodd’s head (but apparently you can, almighty Wilbon), but I can guarantee you that when they made this move, they weren’t thinking, “Tee hee, now we don’t have to look at minority coaches.” Really, are you serious? Do you have any idea what you’re talking about? Let me spell out the reasons why this move was made, and why this is good for the University of Texas:
-Muschamp is a hot commodity right now; this guarantees that he’ll at least be sticking around for a couple years or so.
-Even if he leaves, the time he spends here will help us on the field with his coaching as well as with our recruiting.
-If he does indeed decide to stay for the duration of Mack’s tenure, he’ll have learned from one of the best in the business and be a part of the culture at Texas, giving us a much smoother transition than other schools who changed head coaches (see: Michigan).
-We’re Texas, and we can afford it.
Those are just a few reasons why this is a good thing for Texas. The short-term benefits are great and the long-term risks are very manageable. You may notice that race has absolutely nothing to do with this. Muschamp is a great defensive coordinator. That’s the bottom line. If you can’t see that, you simply aren’t very bright. Really, who cares what color Muschamp is. I sure as heck don’t. I care that he’s been a great addition to my school’s football team and that we’re going to keep him for at least the next couple years.
Do you know what “racist” means? It means believing that one race is intrinsically superior to another. So if you really believe what you said on Turico’s and Van Pelt’s radio show, I’m sure you can enlighten me with a cogent argument as to how Muschamp’s hire logically leads to the conclusion of racism. If not… shut your mouth. I hope what you said was just a lapse in a judgment because you were having a bad day. Otherwise, you embarrass me as a minority.
If anyone is being lazy and suspicious, it’s you. Go do some real research and construct a good argument, journalist.
Sincerely,
Isak Lee
Seriously. Embarrassing. I’m just stunned at how stupid what he said is.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 19, 2008 3:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Secret identity revealed!
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 19, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He probably just got done watching "The Express"
And was all fired up against UT. Wilbon is usually pretty good with the race card, but it seems silly to pull it here.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 19, 2008 3:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Somebody should point out that this is not the NFL.
Even were Mack to leave tomorrow, and if Texas was trying to avoid hiring an African-American candidate, they would not have to consider one anyway. NCAA encourages it, but it is not required.
by billb on Nov 19, 2008 3:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Does the
NCAACP NCAA also encourage recruiting more white athletes at running back? Or encourage recruiting more Hispanics or Asians at any position?
For goodness sake, hire/recruit the best people. Affirmative action sucks!
May Colt be with you. Yeah, that's right.
by bfaut86 on Nov 19, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one- neither the NCAA nor the NFL- forces coaches...
…to hire/recruit anything but the “best” people. The NFL only makes teams interview a minority candidate. and the NCAA’s “encouragement” of diversity is certainly nothing to sneer at, not for an institution that rakes in untold millions for mostly white executives from the actions of predominantly minority students (especially in the money-making sports like football & basketball).
Affirmative action might “suck” to you, but not as bad as the current setup sucks to a lot of others.
by Heart of a Muschampion on Nov 19, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
"untold millions for mostly white executives
from the actions of predominantly minority students" LOL
What actions of predominantly minority students? Having the opportunity to play (and get an education, should one be so motivated) at a top-notch university and possibly make “untold millions” themselves as professional entertainers athletes? How are they making the “untold millions” for the white man? And why must we hire consider hiring a “minority” for a head coach opening that, by the way, does not even exist at this moment? And what, exactly, is this “current setup” you speak of that sucks to a “lot” of others?
May Colt be with you. Yeah, that's right.
by bfaut86 on Nov 19, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen.
And don’t forget the opportunity to receive a free, first-class education. That’s what these student athletes are working for, and given the opportunity to earn.
I get really sick of the “down with the white man” mentality. You would think that sports – which are almost purely performance- and results-oriented – would be the last place you would hear such complaints.
Watch out, I bite.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Nov 19, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that many people are throwing out
the baby (the need for increased diversity in the college coaching ranks) with the bath water (Wilbon’s comments).
Here is what we know…
Diversity is not a bad thing.
Diversity does not necessitate a “down with the white man” mentality.
African Americans are underrepresented in the coaching ranks.
Wilbon is DEAD WRONG about the Muschamp situation.
by ctex80 on Nov 19, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Mr. Wilbon,
Congratulations, you caught us at our blackhearted, racist games. We didn’t think we’d be exposed so early after our latest Klan meeting. Will Muschamp is so clearly an incompetent, ineffective football coach that the only reason he could possibly be offered a head coaching position is that he has white skin. All this talk about his wife and young family(probably white too, anyone else smell a great white conspiracy?) is just an attempt to mask his true purpose: denying quality minority coachs opportunity. Well, Michael, you and I know differently. So let’s just put it out there: there is no way that Will Muschamp was selected based on the content of his character, his ability as a leader, his technical acumen, or his repore with players and staff.
Wilbon, you’re a race baiting jackhole, and I think you owe Muschamp and all Longhorns an apology. You, sir, are what’s wrong with America.
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"Stats are for losers, I like winning games"
by 98horn on Nov 19, 2008 3:21 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
Muschamp is the best man for the job
That’s all that matters for me and it should be all that matters to Wilbon. If UT has their man, why bring somebody in for a sham interview just to please the media? Ridiculous.
by the1austin on Nov 19, 2008 3:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone have the quotation?
Before I condemn Wilbon, I’d like to know his exact words. Some of these comments are awfully strong responses to the original poster’s interpretation of Wilbon’s statement.
Did Wilbon say outright that the move was racist? Was he indicting the decision makers of racism, or was he just raising the question for discussion?
by Kool Hand on Nov 19, 2008 3:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I Agree With Wilbon!!!!!
DeLoss should have interviewed a few African American and minority candidates. He should have spoken with Romeo Crennel (soon to be unemployed), Ty Willingham (out the door as well), Sylvester Croom (how many chances does this guy get?), and Art Shell (rumored to be talking with the Raiders for a third tenure….just kidding). You’ll notice that all those coaches are African American so to cover the rest of the minorities DeLoss should of had a meeting with Wayne Fontes.
You think interviewing those five candidates would have satisfied Wilbon’s “requirements?”
by Sexual Chili on Nov 19, 2008 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fairly accurate recap and Link to article
I think it’s lazy, I’m critical because they’re not creative or forward thinking. They want to please a small rabid fan base, the boosters. They are afraid to boldly look for new candidates and want to keep someone. I’m suspicious of these kinds of things. This is how you control jobs, it’s how you don’t have to look at people that are different than you. Which in college football means black people, people of color. This is how you stay away from having to interview people when the time comes, it’s how you keep the pool small and clutch to what you know. This is lazy.
I’m not saying he’s not a terrific coach. I’m not talking about just the Texas pick, I’m talking about the trend. The thing they do not want to do is have anyone else look critically at the program, including the college president. Presidents don’t have the courage to stand up and say perhaps we do need a playoff and I find the whole thing suspicious.
He NEVER said the word racist. My apologies, but it was strongly inferred. He was speaking generally of course, but pointing the finger now at Texas. I understand his angst and frustration, but “the man” isn’t using this as a tool to keep anyone down. If you want to hear the exact conversation the link is below.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/show?showId=tiricoandvanpelt
by ahaley on Nov 19, 2008 4:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I guess I'm "rabid"
But then, some squirrels are. Grrrrrrrrrrrr, hissssssssssssssssssssss. Meeeeeaaaaaawwwwwwwww.
Watch out, I bite.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Nov 19, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Re:
This is how you control jobs, it’s how you don’t have to look at people that are different than you. Which in college football means black people, people of color.
Totally, there’s like zero black people in CFB.
by Skin Patrol on Nov 19, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Wilbon,
Think before opening your mouth. You are generally good at that. Thanks.
In Mack Brown We Trust!
by Cyrus on Nov 19, 2008 5:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Actually
after listening to his comments, I don’t think it is a big deal. He was speaking more generally and his comments seemed precipitated by the Texas announcement as opposed to about them. I think we can all agree that having more minority representation at the coaching level would be a good thing.
I think to a certain extent hiring someone already on your staff is less creative and a “safer” decision. I doubt it has a whole lot to do with racism and more to do with a bird in the hand being worth 2 in the bush. I happen to think hiring Muschamp is a fantastic decision, but I’m not so sure about the decisions made by Florida St. or Penn St. Time will tell. Just because the trend might be worriesome, it doesn’t mean that every decision in that trend is.
by SaintBevo on Nov 19, 2008 6:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
we don't need your kind here
you with your level headed thinking and calm logical demeanor…that has no place here my friend. We’re on a roll…
by UT2001 on Nov 19, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He didn't say "racism"
But it was pretty much implied. He called it “controlling” and keeping black people out, which is utterly ridiculous.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 19, 2008 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilbon comments
For all that represent the University of Texas a school I love because I graduated from there and bleed orange. The move to hire Muschamp is pure racism. Wilbon is right, now we don’t have to consider a black candidate and that is just what the alumni want. After moviing out of the state of TEXAS you realize just how racist the state of TEXAS is. Ask yourself how many black coaches have there been at the University not associated with track. I ask you why do we not hire Gray to be a defensive coordinator a few years ago when clearly he was the most qualified applicant and most importantly a former longhorn. At some point the shine is going to fall and players are going to realize that UT is nothing but the essense of the “good old boy network”. Look at the football staff and see how many black coaches are there that don’t have to do with with player relations or recruiting. Why you ask because without those black players UT is nothing so we got to get someone to deal with them but those people won’t have any real power. I ask all of you who think Wilbon is wrong to step out of your suburbia box and see what is really going on at the University and that includes you Ike.
by calilonghorn on Nov 19, 2008 6:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
More Hilarious.
May Colt be with you. Yeah, that's right.
by bfaut86 on Nov 19, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really hoping this is sarcasm
If not… just wow.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 19, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What!?
A team should be able to hire whoever the hell they want. A team shouldn’t have to interview somebody just because they are black. I would be insulted if I was black and somebody interviewed me just because I was black.
I’m sure if Texas felt that there was a black coach out there that was right for the job, they would hire them…but…there isn’t!
by Longhorns84 on Nov 19, 2008 6:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yet more proof Wilbon has lost his mind
I’ll be honest for a long time I’ve been a big fan of Wilbon, but in the past year or so it seems like he’s lost his mind. He seems to have some sort of bone to pick with any issue and seems incapable in seeing the fun or interesting in most issues. Honestly he begins to sounds like a cantankerous old man sometimes. I mean lately I feel like I agree with Kornheiser lately which just makes me feel like I’m nuts. Wilbon see the hire for what it was, yes it’s unfortunate that maybe no minorities were interviewed before Muschamp hired, but it’s also a case of wrapping up someone that’s not worth letting go of to the competition.
by utbiograd06 on Nov 19, 2008 6:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Response
you can’t hire what you don’t interview longhorn84, and if you do you research you will see we don’t even interview, and as Wilbon said that is just lazy and for lack of better words racists by ommission in all honesty
by calilonghorn on Nov 19, 2008 7:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know, right!
It’s just so lazy to find the right guy for the job and lock him up as the head coach in the coming years. I’m glad the coaches BLATANT racism have given the players so much faith in them. I mean, it’s great the minority players want to play for the KKK. Thank god for you, inglorious Cyclops Muschamp!
by HornPossessed on Nov 19, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why waste the time?
when you have THE guy already coaching on the team? They got the guy they want, it shouldn’t matter what color he is.
by Longhorns84 on Nov 19, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the interview
is the results that come on Saturdays and Sundays on the football field.
by Longhorns84 on Nov 20, 2008 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Racist
Screw Wilbon if there was an excellent black coach out there I highly doubt Texas would bypass that person. This is UT were looking for the best in our Program. sorry if I’m not PC but I can’t stand affirmitive action and I especially can’t stand people who use the race card, they are the true racist, i.e. Jessie Jackson, Al sharpton, Jeremiah Wright, Farrahkan, etc.
by kcmorse on Nov 19, 2008 7:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
racism
according to my sociology teacher, who is white, i am racist for the sole fact that i am white. we were actually asked on a discussion question “why is it important for all white people to realize that they are all racist” i of course do not beleive this garbage and i am forced to bring up people like jesse jackson, al sharpton, and that former professor from NC state who told his class that the only solution to a problem was to Exterminate all white people http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0 i was just wondering what yall that about this subject… ( wilbon i used to like you but go suck a dick)
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 19, 2008 7:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
racist
so in all the years that basketball, baseball, and football have been in existense at UT and all coaches we didn’t even finde one good enough to interview, i think not and ask yourself why
by calilonghorn on Nov 19, 2008 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
NO ONE SAID UT IS ALONE IN THIS PROBLEM
by calilonghorn on Nov 19, 2008 7:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No one said UT was alone?
You did, about 10 times, in that first rant of yours. You explicitly mentioned how racist TEXAS (capitalized because you capitalized it on your post) is.
Stop the insanity, please.
by HornPossessed on Nov 19, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Calilonghorn are you saying the program at UT has a bunch of racist running things? If you really believe that, you should think of rooting for a different program why would you want to root for a program that condones racism?
by kcmorse on Nov 19, 2008 7:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
kcmorse
with that argument I should have hated the united states up unitl 1980 which is not valid because it is the greatest country in America, what you do is fight for change and hope that people slowly beging to open their minds but you don’t turn a blindeye beccuase things will stay status quo
by calilonghorn on Nov 19, 2008 7:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
United States = Greatest Country in America?
By America, do you mean like North America? We’re better than Mexico and Canada, wahooo! We’re number 1! We’re number 1!
And by the way, the country of Africa is totally the best country in the world.
by dtc on Nov 19, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
good call dude
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 19, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i totally think that asia is the best country ever
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 19, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Calilonghorn I think your right I think the University made a bad choice with Muschamp. I think we should look for either a Chinese, Japanese or even a Mexican coach why does it always have to be a black coach. No maybe we should look for a phillipino coach man my wife would love that. Maybe then she would even sit on the couch and root with me!
by kcmorse on Nov 19, 2008 7:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness
Texas should only consider hiring Indians Native Americans for every coaching job and position of power within the University.
May Colt be with you. Yeah, that's right.
by bfaut86 on Nov 19, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All kidding aside...
I hope we can all agree that it’s not about skin color when it comes to the success of Texas sports (really futbawl). Really it comes down to green. That is the only thing that matters in the end. Not skin color or sexual orientation or gender. You bring in the money and win you can be anyone.
by UT2001 on Nov 19, 2008 8:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
just so you know callilonghorn it is illegal to hire or even consider a black person for the sole fact that they are black just like it is illegal to consider or hire a white person because they are white. people are hired in this country and in this profession based soley on there qualifications. muschamp was a tremendously hot commodity in coaching and i dare you to name one black candidate for this job who is more qualified or a better fit for this job. ty willingham- no wins at washington and run out of notre dame, sylvester croom has not done anything with state that is worth talking about. please flatter me calilonghorn.
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 19, 2008 8:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
olemiss
first i want to say good catch on the typo dtc, nothing wrong at laughing at good joke, you too kcmorse, now olemiss some good coaches out there that are more than qualified would be turner gill out of buffalo, charlie strong out of your neck of the woods at university of florida dewayne walker out of UCLA to name a few,
by calilonghorn on Nov 19, 2008 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I only see two colors
Green in my Uniform, and Burnt Orange the rest of the time. seriously though, i cant wait for the day when the country no longer needs affirmative action, because that day will mean that racism is behind us and the scar only serves as a reminder of our wrong doing in history. no society in history was perfect, ours is no different. i know this thread was started to report that a journalist said something, but here we are all Longhorns faithful (if not GO WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP!! then leave) so please dont forget we are all on the same side and lets not start fighting amongst ourselves because someone else wants to be a douche and say stupid things. instead we should laugh at their ignorance!
If You See Kay, Oh You
by texfan23 on Nov 19, 2008 9:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
how
please tell me how they are more qualified than muschamp? he has coached against the best with the best and done a hell of a job. turner gill is a good coach but just because he does something with a mac school doesnt mean anything. how are those other two guys more qualified?
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 19, 2008 9:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
answer
florida defense is dominant and in the SEC so he has the same credentials as Muschamp and more coaching experience with stops at ND, South Carolina, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, and SIU under his belt, walker is known in college circles as a great coach and did wonders with UCLA defense, present year excluded of course, but they are the only bright spot on the team
by calilonghorn on Nov 19, 2008 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
texfan23
you are right we are all longhorn fans and that will not change ever, no matter who the coach, but that doesn’t mean we have to agree with everything that goes on just like you don’t agree with everything or everybody at work, but you still go to work and i will still cheer for my horns, HOOK EM
by calilonghorn on Nov 19, 2008 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
totally
but the argument im seeing about this is why is the paper white? its just the way it is.why is the sky blue. it just is. had muschamp been a black coach this all would be flipped and the statement made that he were getting the job because he would then be black. so putting an idea that the job werent being looked for by a coach capable of continuing the run that the Longhorns have had we wouldnt even be having this conversation.
If You See Kay, Oh You
by texfan23 on Nov 19, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
well muschamp has a little bit better credentials… remember that defense that lsu had in its championship run in 2003? you know the number 1 defense in the country? muschamp coached it. when he coached in the NFL his defense ranked 15th in the league and 2nd in qb sacks. at auburn Muschamp’s first season at Auburn, the defense finished 7th among NCAA Division I-FBS teams in scoring defense, allowing only 21 touchdowns.In 2007, Auburn led the SEC in scoring defense and finished in the top 10 in four defensive categories (ranking 7th nationally in pass efficiency and 6th nationally in total defense, passing defense and scoring defense among NCAA Division I-FBS teams). Mofo can coach man, dont denie that he is more than qualified for the job and is probably the best candidate due to his already great realtionship with his players and his firey motivational attitude.
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 19, 2008 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
muschamp is a stud I am just saying he is not the only stud. and as wilbon said UT took the easy way out, give everyone a chance and if everyone is qualified and you make a decision that is the perogative of the university, but doing it this way to me just rubs me the wrong way, by the way in all that I have said I didn’t say muschamp isn’t a good coach
by calilonghorn on Nov 19, 2008 9:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Easy way out
I’ve found that most organizations almost always look for the easy way out. Most are not in the business of making risky decisions. At your office, if you have an entry-level opening, who has the better chance of getting the job – the intern who everybody knows or somebody with similar resume but is unknown to them?
I do sort of agree that hiring Muschamp was an “uncreative” decision – that doesn’t make it wrong, nor does it make it a racist decision. The best and obvious decisions often are “uncreative.” Who knows if the UT decision-makers are racist? I can’t possibly know, and neither can you. Calling this decision “pure racism” is crazy, unless you have some extra-sensory perception or more intimate knowledge of the motives.
by SaintBevo on Nov 19, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could not disagree more
This is a true succession plan for the coaching staff. Name another university that has successfully implemented a succession plan.
Can’t think of one? I didn’t think so.
This is actually a creative, forward-thinking decision. Gotta give DeLoss props.
Watch out, I bite.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Nov 20, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its not the easy way out, ITS THE RIGHT DECISION
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 19, 2008 9:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I heard on PTI...
I actually like the show, but I really can’t take anything Wilbon says about college football seriously anymore. What he is saying about the Muschamp deal is ridiculous. Last week on the show he thought Florida and USC were the best teams in the country. Why did he think that? His reasoning was that Texas and Oklahoma had sustained their losses later in the season. So clearly that makes them better teams because they lost earlier in the season to average teams. Oh, and Texas Tech isn’t because their Texas Tech. Now I get it.
by aaronlybrand on Nov 19, 2008 10:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Okay, calilonghorn
You are evidently not joking.
I’ll repeat a few things that I wrote in my email to Wilbon.
Here’s one of your quotes:
The move to hire Muschamp is pure racism.
Definition of racism: The belief that one race is intrinsically superior to another. So tell me: How does the Muschamp hire logically lead to this? Just because it thereby excludes black candidates? It sure does… as well as any white candidates, Asian ones, Hispanic ones, etc. Duh. When you hire someone, you more or less exclude others.
Did UT interview just a bunch of white dudes with no qualifications and intentionally ignore blacks? Nope. Do you have a shred of evidence that Mack and DeLoss were gleefully celebrating how they’re avoiding all the black coaches? Nope. So where is your argument? I don’t see it. I just see a ridiculous assertion.
I ask all of you who think Wilbon is wrong to step out of your suburbia box and see what is really going on at the University and that includes you Ike.
I ask everyone who agrees with Wilbon to let go of the racist-card and start evaluating people by skill and merit, like MLK Jr. wanted. Agreeing with such a baseless comment is absurd and simply betrays great insecurity.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 19, 2008 11:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Double standards
I find it kind of funny how Wilbon didn’t think the Indianapolis Colts decision to designate Jim Caldwell as Tony Dungy’s successor to be “lazy and suspicious”. The only difference between what the Colts did and what Texas did was that Caldwell is African American and Muschamp isn’t. Why didn’t Wilbon call for other minority groups to be considered for the Colts job?
by buiyahkah on Nov 19, 2008 11:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you are wrong because you call this hire purely racist, and thats garbage and if you truly believe that than you are garbage. racism is the belief that one race is intrinsically superior to another as elusive shadow said. so stop these garbage accusations of racism, it is false it is stupid and you are wrong. are you trying to tell me that rick barnes is not the right man for the basketball team and augie gurrito isnt the right man for the baseball team? just accept that your accusations are stupid and back off.
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 20, 2008 12:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
History
We can go back and forth with if it is racist or not racist but facts are facts and I again I ask when have we had black head coach at UT in any sport that wasn’t track or even get an interview, so intrinsically it appears in the eyes of UT brass we aren’t equal enough to handle the job or most importantly get the alumni dollars to keep the program at the level it is at. True other schools are in the same boat, but Texas prides itself on diversity and being at the forefront of all that is right. And truth be told kicked a kid off a team that I thought was umwarranted just to save face. So why is it so hard to open up and see all candidates out there and then make a decision even if you come to the same conclusion.
by calilonghorn on Nov 20, 2008 12:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
answer me this
if you had someone who had been working for you and whom everyone got along with and trusted would you hire him, or someone who no one knows and is already comfortable with? answer truthfully and then take a step back, shut the hell up and accept that you are wrong.
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 20, 2008 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
quick response...
..the reason we didn’t go “interview” other people is b/c Mack isn’t retiring. We weren’t looking to replace him. Muschamp just fell in our laps, and Deloss thought, “Why let this good thing go?”. His thought process wasn’t, “Let’s settle for Muschamp, b/c I don’t want to interview blacks or other minorities when Mack retires.”
Also, the interviewing process would be expensive (time and money) for no reason.
by vy til i die on Nov 20, 2008 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you are wrong because you call this hire purely racist, and thats garbage and if you truly believe that than you are garbage. racism is the belief that one race is intrinsically superior to another as elusive shadow said. so stop these garbage accusations of racism, it is false it is stupid and you are wrong. are you trying to tell me that rick barnes is not the right man for the basketball team and augie gurrito isnt the right man for the baseball team? just accept that your accusations are stupid and back off. and if our university was racist we would recruit black players either.
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 20, 2008 12:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Answer
I hire the most qualified person period. If it is the person I know that is a great thing and I would be lying if I said that doesn’t give them and edge, but you always explore all your options. And why would I accept that I am wrong when there is no right or wrong, just fair and not fair
by calilonghorn on Nov 20, 2008 12:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
To those who agree that this is a racist move...
1. Do you believe this is an anti-semitic hire?
-This hire comes at the expense of interviewing a Jewish head coach candidate.
2. Do you believe this is a sexist hire?
-This hire comes at the expense of interviewing a female head coach candidate (of whom there are none in FBS or FCS).
3. Does that prevous example strike you as absurd? If yes, are you sexist?
by Lincoln on Nov 20, 2008 12:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
you are wrong because you call this hire purely racist, and thats garbage and if you truly believe that than you are garbage. racism is the belief that one race is intrinsically superior to another as elusive shadow said. so stop these garbage accusations of racism, it is false it is stupid and you are wrong. are you trying to tell me that rick barnes is not the right man for the basketball team and augie gurrito isnt the right man for the baseball team? just accept that your accusations are stupid and back off. and if our university was racist we would recruit black players either.
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 20, 2008 12:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
who is to say who is right or wrong, looking at it now they are perfect fits, all I am saying is they were afforded the oppurtunity to get the job and others weren’t, finally on the recruiting of black players get real with that statement
by calilonghorn on Nov 20, 2008 12:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ok the black players thing might have been a stretch but the fact remains you called it a purley racist decision and that is WRONG WRONG WRONG
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by Olemissreb451 on Nov 20, 2008 1:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This thread got fucked up long ago.
Under-representation tends to rub me the wrong way, regardless of the field. I can’t help but find it a little bizarre that in a sport with a significant black population, there are but a few black coaches. It reminds me of the US Senate.
It shouldn’t be the primary goal of hiring, but I think it’s fair for the leagues/associations and individual teams to include race as a factor in their decision making. There are a lot of fascinating, sometimes controversial topics floating around here. Interesting questions to consider…at least when everyone is speaking reasonably and not gasbaggy.
by Kool Hand on Nov 20, 2008 5:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Look at it like this...
In 5-8 years when Muschamp takes over, white people will probably be the minority. So, Texas hired a minority coach!
by Longhorns84 on Nov 20, 2008 8:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Calilonghorn
What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things that I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling and incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by James Brown - the G.O.A.T. on Nov 20, 2008 8:54 AM CST reply actions 4 recs

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