Texas - Texas Tech Postgame Thoughts Forthcoming
by Peter Bean on Nov 2, 2008 12:19 AM CDT
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PrintI've got quite a bit to say tonight, but it'll take a few to get it all spelled out. In the meantime, this thread is the beer to shed your tears in.
Congratulations to Graham Harrell, Michael Crabtree, the Tech D-Line, Mike Leach, and Texas Tech. They delivered a football game their fans will never, ever forget. Tonight, they celebrate--worthy South Division leaders.
A ten gallon hat tip to them tonight. They deserve every bit of glory they're enjoying right now.
More on the view from our side soon.
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Tech played great
And this loss sucks but we are not out of the chase for the National Title. Its back to hoping teams lose ahead of us. Season is not over! And i am still proud as ever to be a longhorn fan!
Hook ’em
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I'm dead inside
I swear that last pass defied the laws of physics. I haven’t looked at the numbers yet, but that was definitely a hell of a show. We had the game won at 1:40, a dropped interception FTL.
I’ll say what I said at the beginning of the season, “We beat OU, everything else is icing on the cake.”
Well lads, the icing ended. We had a hell of a run. Let the cards fall as they may.
I need some encouragement.
Not really about our season, i still have the top prize as the goal.
That was a tough, tough loss. All the more so because we were getting bat so badly for 3+ quarters, then came back like Colt has gotten us accustomed to happening. Then we take the lead, need a stop (they hadnt scored an offensive td all half), and then leave with a w and a harrowing scare.
Instead, we are scared with a good kickoff return, watch them march down the field, erupt in ecstasy when gideon looks like he intercepts it, but still have hope.
Then the worst. And we look for crabtree’s foot to go out of bounds. Then the kickoff and the wish for a miracle.
Then, the realization that we just lost a game that it feels like we should have won, while at the same time we had no business being in after being down 19-0.
And after having won 3 incredible games in a row and only needing this one more victory to do what many of us thought was impossible. This hurts worse than KSU+A&M from ’06. At least at this point.
It was absolutely terrible coaching by Mack
Why would you try and score with a minute and a half left when you are only going to go up by one? You know Tech is only going to have to go fifty yards at the most, down the ball on third down. Don’t give them more than 30 seconds. DON’T SCORE WITH A MINUTE AND A HALF LEFT! Comically bad time management by Brown. I’ve been impressed with him all season but good god what makes you run the ball there and score with so much time left.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
ure crazy man
You dont take shit for granted there. Texas made every effort to not pass but to run. They milked substantial clock on that drive. Ure f’n nuts if you’re serious about that complaint
by Michael Bean on Nov 2, 2008 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
No
You can’t tell a player not to score… “Hey, take a knee on the 1! That way we’ll shut them down!” You give your defense the opportunity to stop them ( Which they did…. ::cough:: dropped interception ). Tough, tough, beat.
I don't think we should have taken no knee or anything
but I do think that Colt should have milked the clock to 2 or 3 sec. After all, we still would have had two downs, 2 timeouts, and a minute to score
"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa
We couldn't take the risk
of losing the momentum to just slow down. Part of the reason that last drive looked so good was because of the offense that set up shop quick.
We were on the three yard line with
3 downs to try and score. I think the cost of a down is absolutely worth the 45 seconds less that Harrell and co. have to get into FG position. If you couldn’t get 3 yards in two downs you don’t deserve to win.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
if you can't keep a team from scoring with 1:29 to play
you don’t deserve to win either.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
We new damn well
that we couldn’t stop them. That is why it was bad coaching, because somebody decided it was a good idea to lean on our defense when we hadn’t been able to slow down TT all. It is like going for two in overtime when you can just tie; it is a calculated risk, but you do what it takes to win. We just decided to score and then pray for some offensive miscue.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
I think the RZ failures against OSU
might have had something to do with it. I also don’t think Tech was terribly interested in stopping us once we got down there.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
'we knew damn well that we couldn stop them'
what game were you watching man? we held them most all of the second half. seriously, what were you watching
by Michael Bean on Nov 2, 2008 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
cmon dude
so much happened in this game. id give you 1000 dolalrs to go say that to macks face. ’WHY DIDNT YOU TAKE A KNEE ON THE THREE YARD LINE!"
Go say that to Muschamp too. Cus what it says really is that you have no faith in him and his defense.
by Michael Bean on Nov 2, 2008 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
If I did have faith in the defense
I would look stupid right now. It isn’t that I wasn’t on my knees praying for a stop, but the deck was stacked against us, and I don’t think it was the best game management. It would have seemed odd, but the way our offense was moving the ball on that drive, and the fact that TT must have been scared as hell at that point, I think that taking a knee just to chew clock would have been the right move.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
I'll say
I’m proud of the reactions I’ve seen from Texas fans so far tonight. Even with Texas not able to get in sync in this game, Texas Tech deserved it, and for all the appropriate scrutiny of what-could-have-been that we’ll go through, you have to give the Red Raiders credit for coming out and seizing this thing in the 1st Quarter. Anything less and this Texas team wins it.
As is, Tech had the ball last with a chance to win it, and Graham Harrell—who I don’t like much—delivered. He’s as much of a pirate punk as his coach, and yet… he was great tonight. Kid played great in the biggest game of his life. Kudos to him.
For Texas, we’ve got LOTS still in play, and in my post-game wrap I’ll walk through a lot of it. We’re very, very alive for the Big XII and, possibly, national title.
Tough loss for this team. For this YOUNG team. And, I hope, some lessons learned for our coaching staff. They deserve so much freaking credit for getting us to 8-0. Hopefully, they learned some important lessons from the game that takes us to 8-1.
Hook ’em
--PB--
This is what i need more of right now.
PB, you are our oracle, coach, and, unfortunately, therapist.
Just realized that was a little hyperbolic, but i can’t take it back after a game like that.
Hang in there
I’m writing a long post on all this. It’s a devastating loss, but… there’s much to feel good about.
Even, I painfully say, after losing a game we shouldn’t have. We just… shouldn’t have. But Tech had what it took tonight. Damnit.
Still: the positives for the Looking Forward are good. Real good.
We’ll be okay. Especially if our coaches continue their trend of learning form mistakes.
--PB--
Who stays, who goes?
Sooooo…. does this mean Colt, Muschamp, and Shipley stick around for 1 more year? 2010! 2010! 2010!
2008 2008 2008! we ain't finished yet!
As far as Shipley and colt, 2009 2009 2009!
"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa
For all his accomplishments
I just don’t see Colt as a sure-fire NFL QB. I think he stays. Ship stays with the medical extension. Muschamp’s gonna be the tough one.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Colt became a man tonight
Obviously Colt played pretty terrible and I was admit I was about ready to throw him under the bus midway through the 3rd.
But then he showed some true clutchness That last drive was straight Vince Young style.
These are dark times for texas, but the future is bright
this is a dark moment, for sure
but we’re still in pretty good shape for this year. Need lots of help (looking at you pokes and sooners) but there’s a lot of ball left to be played
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
If anyone became a man tonight it was Malcolm Williams. Now I know why everyone was so high on him coming into the year.
'Til Gabriel blows his horn...
I don't think these are dark times.
Losing 66-3 to UCLA and finishing up ’97 with a 4-7 record. Now those were dark times.
The next up and coming Longhorns QB!
by HornsRiverine on Nov 2, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amen to that.
I could even go back to Oct. 13th, 1984 and the start of the dark times. We came out of it in 1998.
We're Texas...and you're NOT
nah
colt didnt play terrible. still finished with 300+ yards, plenty of good throws. he was bit rattled at times, but he delivered like big time players do. he was pacing on the sidelines and could have rushed and forced things but he took what was there on that last drive and engineered an impressive Heisman worthy last drive. Tech doesnt pull off late heroics, Colts legacy is cemented in stone. He played ok for the circumstances. Not terrible
by Michael Bean on Nov 2, 2008 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Shipley
By the way, how clutch is this guy? Yeah, he dropped the big one early, but he again came through with a special teams TD when our offense couldn’t get moving. He’s been right behind Colt as MVP of the O this year.
'Til Gabriel blows his horn...
Very happy for Ship
Thought his career was going to be ruined by injuries and it’s so gratifying to see all that potential realized, albeit later than anyone expected.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
do what if's make you guys
as sick as me? i mean they keep racing through my head and i can’t sleep. Its not fun.
just gotta let it go
the what-ifs weren’t and never will be. And no…it’s not fun at all.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Yes
It makes me want to die when I think of every single moment when it could have been different… but our guys didn’t perform as if hungry enough/starving. I am not putting us down, but there were really times when we looked weak and not particularly motivated. That is the reason why we lost a game we should have won. I no longer live in Austin because, I swear, something about the culture breed underachievement.
May Colt be with you. Yeah, that's right.
I hear you about not being able to sleep.
The biggest if I honestly think of, is just the play of the offense for the first 3 quarters. Even Mark May realized if Texas had come out played offense like we all know they can, that this game would not even of been close. I am not putting this on Gideon, or any individual player. As a whole the team came out flat and they just could not recover. But that’s what makes this game, so much fun. The best team does not always play the best and does not always win.
The next up and coming Longhorns QB!
I'm really not upset with anybody
Nearly everyone who made mistakes: coaches and players alike; redeemed themselves at some point. Tech played a marvelous game and we didn’t. That’s that.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Damn
This game kills. I moved to Austin from California in 1993, and I have watched nearly every Texas game since then. I have watched Texas lose close games, I have watched Texas get blown out, but I have never seen THAT. I never knew exactly how the Buckeye fans felt after 25-22, or the USC fans after 41-38. I definitely do now. Hell, the first K-state debacle in 06 didnt even hurt this bad.
I don’t want to believe what just happened. I absolutely hate Texas Tech; sorry, its just one of those things. Every year its been the same thing; someone inevitably says “You haven’t played this version of a Mike Leach offense yet,” which causes all of the Tech fans to gear up and get super-rowdy and nasty for the Texas matchup, and more often than not, Texas wins. Dude, Texas’ pass defense was outside of the top 100 two years ago and they still beat Tech and their high flying offense in Lubbock. Unfortunately, not this year. Mike Leach had a gameplan, a home stadium, not to mention a rowdy fanbase that believed, and he created a perfect storm finally dropped down and took a dump on everything Texas had. And even through all of that, TEXAS ALMOST WON.
I’m hurt, I’m crushed, I’m defeated, and I’m just the guy watching the damn game. I feel bad for Gideon, because while he was not the sole reason for losing the game, it would be hard pressed for him to make him believe otherwise right now.
But, look at the big picture. These guys are 8-1, after playing (not even debatable) THE TOUGHEST 4 game stretch of any team this year. Exhaustion was evident tonight, and I think if Texas had played Tech last Saturday and OK State tonight, Texas beats Tech and loses to OK State. Players were worn down, and a hostile crowd wanting to keep them down doesn’t help. Regardless, Texas is still an elite team, and while MNC hopes are obviously dimmer than they were 7 hours ago, they are still on pace to do amazing things this year and next. I’m pissed off at the outcome, but I am proud of these guys for not laying down and allowing themselves to be violated like most other teams would in a three-score hole (*cough*Georgia*cough) and turning the game into a knockdown, drag-out fight to the finish. BEAT BAYLOR!!!
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
BCS and Big 12 CG Not Intertwined
We don’t necessarily have to win the conference to sneak into the National Championship Game. Suppose TT gets to KC and loses to Mizzou…other things shake up, Bama losing once or twice…human voters don’t have a hard-on for USC and we could be in? Your thoughts.
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 2, 2008 12:59 AM CDT reply actions
Further thoughts...
Or would it be preferable for TT to lose to OSU and OU, thereby sending our Horns to KC?
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 2, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Man...I just want to win the Big 12
Let the MNC unfold as it may but we are very short on conference titles. Unacceptable for UT.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
agree with zamm
The Big 12 is priority number one. And I really don’t want to get to the MNC game through some ridiculous backdoor. I hate when other teams do it, and I won’t be a hypocrite. There is no way a team should play for the MNC if they did not win their conference.
Are you saying that you would turn down the opportunity if by miracle it shook out that way?
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 2, 2008 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, I wouldn't
We’d catch a lot of shit though and probably get pantsed in the Championship a la Nebraska.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
yes
The real miracle would be my opinion mattering. But if I could choose, I would pick a different BCS bowl over the MNC game if we don’t win the conference. It was bullshit when Nebraska made the MNC game in ’01, and it would be bullshit if Texas made the MNC game without winning the Big 12 in ’08.
UN making the game that year turned the entire nation against them
Had me rooting for Miami for fuck’s sake.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
WE'RE TEXAS...
The media and nation are already anti-Texas.
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 2, 2008 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
correction
Nebraska made the MNC without even winning its division. OU won its division in ’03 but lost the conference championship game.
That's right
Colorado beat them senseless in the regular season finale and they STILL got in.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
There's the difference...
This team fought it’s way back till the very end on the road. It’s not like it was 62-36 (CU v Neb)
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 2, 2008 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't Georgia kinda get shafted last year...
for not winning their division? Or so they thought anyway.
We're Texas...and you're NOT
Georgia? Shafted?
They lost two games. You lose two, you don’t go. OK, so LSU lost two and did go — and was in the same league and was more deserving.
Georgia as final No. 2 was the shafting - of whoever finished 3 and 4. Got to No. 2 by beating No. 24, or whatever Hawaii SHOULD have been ranked. Pollsters will never get it — it WHO you play as much, sometimes more, than HOW you played.
Don't forget ou after getting toasted by K-State...
which kept us out of our 1st BCS bowl.
We're Texas...and you're NOT
i dont quite agree
MNC is out of reach for us if we don’t get to the big 12 title game
if mizzou wins, no big 12 team in in the MNC
in that case, by far the most likely scenario would be bama, florida, penn state, and usc (some combination of those two teams, but not bama and florida obviously) going at it in the national championship.
i think we have to pray for
a penn state loss to iowa or michigan state (or both)
florida and bama to win out
tech to lose to OU and OSU
we beat mizzou in big 12 championship
and then we would either play bama or florida. depending on the winner of the SEC championship game. that’s just my best guess though.
Penn St
is in because they won’t be challenged period by any of their remaining opponents. Bama definitely has to lose if PSU wins out.
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 2, 2008 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
penn st
has to lose. if they are unbeaten and bama wins out and wins the SEC championship, that’s the MNC. i honestly believe a florida beating an unbeaten bama team in the SEC championship would get into the MNC over us beating a 2 loss michigan team. so our only hope is to have penn st lose a game.
no doubt
need florida to lose to south carolina so so bady. never know, gamecocks looking ok. so are gators tho :/
penn state could stumble vs Iowa or MSU. But not likely. Id pencil them in sadly. man, how lame would it be to have PSU vs FLA. Gag me with an active tarantula. Tired of that shit. Id much much rather have Tech run the table than have florida in there over Texas or OU with one loss
Colt Deserves the Heismann Trophy and Texas isn't out yet! Keep your Horns Up!
Even with being bashed around and having his receivers drop a lot of balls, McCoy engineered a comeback that would be the envy of many college quarterbacks. Now we have to hope the Okies beat Tech and Okie State. That would again put us in the drivers seat if we win the rest of our games. As to the game, I was very disappointed in the officials and their lack of holding calls on Tech’s defense. I saw many outright tackles that were ignored by the referees. I thought the kicking game was great and kept the offense in the game. Unfortunately, kick coverage was again lacking.
The Tech fans lived down to my lowest expectations as they always do. What can you expect from a bunch of two-bit redneck peckerwoods? Rushing the field three times showed real West Texas class, boy! They’re so dumb, they don’t know the game isn’t over until the clock shows zero.
Let’s say tech loses to OU or OSU, what’s the tie breaker for the Big 12 Championship with 3 one loss teams in a triangle?
This is what I was dreading the most about losing this one
We are relegated to hoping other teams lose and having things fall just right. So much easier to just freaking win the games.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
that last drive by texas is what makes champions
it’s just tech had the ball last and was able to make the play. michael crabtree is a crabby man. but i really though blake gideon had that int….
Ok, let's straighten some things out...
1.) Blake Gideon dropped the INT, and then Curtis Brown got caught looking downfield instead of turning towards the ball, while Earl Thomas wasted himself and ran away from the play trying to make an impossible INT/PBU. If you’re going to bitch, at least know what happened.
2.) Since Colt had already run for the 1st on his run to set up 1st and goal at the end, and the clock was above 2:00 remaining, the new clock rules would have started the clock on ready for play REGARDLESS of whether he had slid or not. It would have made absolutely NO difference. AT ALL.
3.) Greg Davis lives in a bubble world. Tech beat us by just jumping all the underneath routes. They gave our receivers no cushion, and aside from the one drop by Shipley that would have put us up 7-5 and the two long bombs to Williams, we never made them pay for it. OU and OSU would have detonated that defense with two or three receivers coming up with Malcolm Williams’ numbers. I maybe understand going away from it for a few series when our O-Line refused to block anyone, but like someone said, we ran roll and sprint-outs only a couple times. Note for next time: If a cruddy team throws the kitchen sink at you to stop you from doing something, DO SOMETHING ELSE AND MAKE THEM PAY!
3a.) Greg Davis lives in a freakin’ BUBBLE WORLD! The I-form for us this year, excluding Jumbo personnel: Rice, we almost give up a safety, except Vondrell breaks a tackle by some 160 lb. dude. We try to use I-form for short yardage against Colorado, and fail abysmally. Mack actually spoke about how that didn’t work and we needed to stick with the Jumbo. Maybe we should have filed that little factoid away for when we’re in our own endzone trying to set the tone in a hostile environment. Please get a job somewhere else, Greg. Maybe this was Mack’s idea, but I will take my chances at this point. Fresh blood would have spoken up if Mack called that crap.
4.) Back to Gideon, and all player goats for that matter: We do not blame teenage kids who pour their hearts out all over the field for missing one play, no matter what the situation. That’s NFL fan shit. No adjustments in the first half and apparently horrid preparation are you goats. Go after them all night, but you lay the F*** off the players. Gripe about Mack’s utter lack of game management skills, but the players are off-limits.
5.) Malcolm Williams is a stud… Actually everyone’s been pretty clear on that. Just wanted to throw that in.
by Horn Brain on Nov 2, 2008 1:10 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Well men (and ladies)...
Tonight we sleep with heavy hearts, but that’s the price we pay for loving Texas football.
I wish it weren’t, but it’s just like every other love. Takes you to the top, but also to the bottom.
It would be great if we could invest so much in these teams with not consequences, but I for one will take all of the great times we get to share in if the cost is a few heartbreaking losses like this.
Cody Johnson
Was he injured or something?
I would like to see him straight up the middle on 1st or 2nd down in non-goal-line situations, especially against small quick teams like Tech..
tired of watching Og walk sideways looking for a place to cut up
Enemy of the nation
After 3/4 weeks of terrible, slightly biased media coverage, I nominate Brent Musburger and Kirk Herbstreit. May they both be caught red handed at their next SamBradfordBobStoopsChaseDanielJeremyMaclinGrahamHarrellMichaelCrabtreeMikeLeachSansColtMcCoy love-in.
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
I think we should have brought Fozzy out sooner. He blew through those defenders in the 4th.
by girlslikefootball2 on Nov 2, 2008 1:29 AM CDT reply actions
10 wins
I say… CHEERS! When I saw our schedule this season, I thought we would have a rough time keeping out 10 win record going. Well, I think we’ll make it. The worst is behind us.
You really have to give it up to this team.
This team played four very tough games, which nobody in the media gave them a chance to win. This game looked bad early, but this team has heart and came back t. It came down to the final seconds and we had our chances, but came up just short. This Longhorn team is nothing but classy and define the word “TEAM” in so many ways. Bring on Baylor and the rest of the Big 12…. we’ll get it done!
Love My LONGHORNS!!!!!!
Very anxious to see an injury report
could dictate whatever success lies ahead
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Aww man you had to go there. Save it for tomorrow. I already can't sleep.
by girlslikefootball2 on Nov 2, 2008 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions
neither can I
very afraid of the mental replay that’s bound to occur once I close my eyes.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
my nerves did not allow me to watch the game… looked at gamecast lol :D
how bad were the injuries? :<
be honest now
surely it wasnt ure nerves that didnt let u watch. u mean ure spouse or other real wordl obligations?
what's the beer count up to now, blitz?
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
well done.
I’m out all. Sweet f-ing dreams.
HOOK ’EM
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
MASH Unit
With all the injuries all I could think of was 2002… 42-38
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 2, 2008 1:35 AM CDT reply actions
Just wasn't meant to be
Shipley’s dropped pass. Hell even a lot of dropped passes by longhorns it made me feel like they were playing with broken fingers. Then that near INT at the end hurt more than anything. At least the pressure is off of us. The horns played so nervous for most of the game so I think this will be a bit of a breather for our guys. Just have to hope that the cards fall in our favor and we can get to the Big XII title game and if not that then just finish strong. OU still sucks.
OU is awesome. I'm the biggest OU supporter right now. GO OU!!
by girlslikefootball2 on Nov 2, 2008 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions
wash your out with soap, young lady
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
Sorry guys its the truth. GO POKES AND SOONERS!!!
by girlslikefootball2 on Nov 2, 2008 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Our ladies have been reduced to cheering for sooners
Damn you Mike Leach!
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 2, 2008 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
why didn't Leach go for 2 at the end of the game?
I’m getting sober, and it sucks.
In Mack Brown We Trust!
interesting question
probably the conusion had something to do with it. with the fans outon the field.
also, miss there and a TD wins the game. at least would have to make them conver the XP to win. But you do raise a good question, not that it matters at all
its hard
having to hear tech fans celebrate all night, but im very proud of this Texas team and what they have accomplished this year.
Hook Em
For Life
Texas '11
Great Game
I am a Tech fan and so proud for the team. I was at the game and still say Texas is a great team. I did enjoy talking with Texas fans during the game. It was a great game that all I can say.
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