Texas #4 in BCS Standings
by jtlonghorn on Nov 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST
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The Longhorns are only down to #4 in BCS. Computers have them a strong #3 behind Alabama and Tech and ahead of Penn State. USC gets killed in the computers which means they should never pull ahead of us. Florida is close enough where they will certainly pass us if they win out.
It shows that we are being rewarded for our tough schedule somewhere. Win out and have a few things happen and we are right back where we want.
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Best 1-loss team and #4 in the BCS.
That’s right where we want to be after our first loss. We need to push the pedal to the medal these last four weeks (and three games) and also hope that things happen in our favor.
Let’s start with: We beat Baylor. OSU beating Tech and LSU beating Alabama.
Then we go from there!
thats what I had said in a couple of comments
We are the best 1 loss team just based on our strength of schedule………NOW GO HORNS!!!!!
hell yeah!
but…can someone briefly explain all the different polls? i’m too lazy to look it up myself.
AP poll doesn’t count for anything right? but USA Today/Coaches poll does? and the BCS poll is the most important? helpppp lol
The human polls are killing us
Hopefully there was some type of hanging chad situation with the human polls and next week some of these boneheads will step up and realize how good our resume looks. I can live with the #4 in the BCS for now, as long as we take care of business in the next 3 games we should be fine. Yes I realize I just regurgitated what we all have been saying/thinking all day but I feel it is worth stating again.
Most imprtant
I think above all else, in the short term it is most important for us to stay above OU. I do not know if that will be possible.
Win Win Win
All we have to do is win. Repeat…all we have to do is win. That’s all the say we have. And, as PB pointed out, we need a lot of style points the next 3 weeks.
1. Beat the Bears
2. Hang a half-a-hundred on the ’Hawks
3. Ax the Aggies
…pull that off and we get minimum BCS at-large.
If Not For The Coaches Poll....
Why do the coaches hate US so much? If not for the coaches poll we’d be 3rd above Pathetic State!
Why the coaches hate us . . .
Check out the November Texas Monthly story on Longhorns, Inc. We are killing the other universities budget-wise.
HUH?
Florida still plays Vanderbilt, South Carolina, and The Citadel (I-AA) before Florida State. How does Florida’s schedule help them? I see a hell of a soft schedule.
We would be helped out mightily if Alabama, Florida, and USC had two losses.
There is a quite a possibility that Texas could pull a Nebraska this year. How sweet would that be?
Of course, we must win out. How many times in the past two years have we come into the season ender and lost to a very inferior aTm squad?
True...
I guess I was thinking about the bump they would get in the human polls and computers from knocking off Alabama in the SEC championship. There’s no doubt that if we don’t win the Big XII they will pass us in that scenario.
It’s hopefully moot if we get to the Big XII title game and win because I can’t imagine not being the highest ranked 1 loss team after that. If it gets down to Penn State against an SEC/BIG XII team we know how much love the SEC always gets.
Not sure if it’s accurate, but SI.com shows you guys with an 8-1 record – and still on top in the BCS. Tech moved from 8 to 7. Thought there’d be a little more shuffling than that.
Not true about Fl
As OSU and OU and mizzou continue to win our lead will widen.
So we need Tech to lose twice to get the south
But talking BCS, does TTU losing twice hurt our SOS, especially since they beat us?
Not necessarily...
Consult the Big 12 flow chart.
If Tech loses to Oklahoma, and each team finishes with one loss (we would then need OU to beat OSU) then there would be a 3 way tie. The tie-breaker would be BCS rankings. Tech, after having lost after us, would probably drop below us in the polls (and can’t get the computer points we have with their schedule). Since UT is already ahead of OU in the BCS rankings, we would have to hope that we stay ahead of them. Common sense says the head to head would be enough for the voters to put Texas ahead of OU. It would be close.
Texas needs to win out and win out BIG.
Only problem is our SOS takes a dive from here on out.
While OU has two good teams to play.
The human polls are super close if you look at the actual numbers, we could easily gain 2 spots in them with impressive games.
My worry is OU will catch and jump us if they win out. So heres to hoping for Tech to lose both games, and then OSU to win Bedlam.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 2, 2008 7:10 PM CST reply actions
Even so
At the end no ones schedule will be as strong as ours.
Not necessarily
OU’s might trump ours due to their TCU game. Which is why we really need them to lose to Utah Thursday night to give us a little help there.
If Tech Loses to OSU...
It doesn’t matter if OU wins out. In fact, it is better is OU wins out in this scenario. If OU wins out, we don’t have to worry about OU’s SOS (and therefore, OU jumping us in the BCS) since we own the first tiebreak (head-to-head) over OU.
In this scenario, OU finishes with one loss and so do we. Tech finishes with 2 losses (one to OSU, one to OU) and OSU finishes with two losses (one to us, one to OU).
Go OSU, beat Tech!
Better even...
Would be for Aggie to pull the upset over OU this weekend ala 2002 and then have OU knock off Tech after OSU knocks them off!
Yeah...
That would alleviate a lot of stress to have OU and Tech both lose this weekend. Let’s add in a loss by Alabama and our weekend will be complete.
I'll see your Alabama loss...
and raise you a Northwestern win over Ohio State to weaken Penn State and USC.
This is one thing to remember in the summer
All of us that argue and have argued for many seasons to schedule tough opponents, you play cream puffs you may go unbeaten but that will work against you in the end. Now we see even if you lose to a very good team you don’t pay the price the same as you would to a mediocre team.
Looking at the Big XII we might be in a phase where it dominates the top ten like the SEC has done with the best teams in country fighting for the top spots in the conference.
Maybe this will keep more of the best talent in Texas here in the conference and in the national spotlight. With the games so far and the those coming up, the most entertaining games are here in the Big XII South.
In defense of creampuffs
playing a creampuff schedule is not an issue if you take care of business. Tech’s non-conference schedule is a joke, but if they win out, they play for a NC. If we had beaten Tech and won out, we would have played for a NC.
I still say, if you’re a primo program there is no need to play a tough non-conference schedule. It is better for the fans, but no other rreal advantage. Id we had beaten Cal or Florida state in our first game instead of Florida Atlantic, would be be any higher in the BCS poll? Teams like Utah and USF need to play tough games because nobody knows who they are and they need to make a name for themselves to move up in the rankings. We don’t have to worry about that.
Unfortunately, I believe SaintBevo is right
Before this season, I was firmly in the camp of those who wanted Texas to elevate its non-conference schedule. I believe rather strongly that, without going to Columbus first during the season, we would not have beaten USC.
But this season has proven the makers of the cupcake non-conference schedule correct. If we had had a OSU-type game in Week 2, we probably would have lost. This team wasn’t ready yet. Hell, UTEP gave us some fits as our Week 2 game! And with the Tech loss, we’d be right out of the national conversation.
This bums me as a season ticket holder who would look forward to having an OSU-caliber team coming to DKRTMS every other season, but I think the final nail has been driven in that coffin so long as the current regime remains. I’ll just have to settle for looking forward to teams like Ole Miss. And, um, playing for national championships.
#2, #4, #6, #9
Four Big 12 SOUTH teams are in the top ten in the BCS. That is the most ridiculous statistic I’ve ever heard. With the quality teams from the South alone, it’s definitely a fun time to play in the Big 12. (besides the chronic nerves)
by 4th generation fan on Nov 2, 2008 7:21 PM CST reply actions
I see Tech Losing there next two games
I give them all the credit in the world, but so many things went wrong for Texas and they still barely won. Just got to root for OSU and OU and we are in. haha, that’s just weird to me.
Question is, a one loss team from the Big 12 or a one loss team from the SEC?
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Big XII, easily
A one-loss team from the Big XII South has at least three really good wins – two of the other three current top 10, plus Missouri or Kansas in the title game. (More if Texas Tech loses to Baylor after beating the Oklahoma schools.) One-loss Florida would have Georgia and Alabama, and a worse loss (Ole Miss). One-loss Alabama (if they lose before the SEC title game) would have Georgia and Florida, plus a worse loss. That’s not even close.
As I see it, the pecking order should be:
1. Unbeaten Texas Tech
2. Unbeaten Alabama
3. Unbeaten Penn State (just barely, but I don’t think their schedule is bad enough to take a one-loss team ahead, even a really good one-loss team)
4. One-loss Big XII champion
5. One-loss SEC champion
6. One-loss Penn State
7. One-loss Pac-10 champion
8. Unbeaten Utah/Boise
Definitely
USC’s signature win is against Ohio State; Penn State beat them too (not as badly, but in Columbus and with Wells healthy). USC lost to Oregon State; Penn State demolished Oregon State. Each has played one ranked opponent so far (Ohio State) and plays one more (Cal/Michigan State), with a chance that Oregon State creeps into the rankings (which benefits both). Both have obliterated their other opponents. The Big Ten is stronger than the Pac-10 this year, but PSU’s schedule offsets that a little by not playing Northwestern or Minnesota (both at the upper end of the middle tier). With not much to distinguish between them, go with common opponents.
not the way it works
Strength of schedule so far:
USC: 29
PSU: 66
http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm
Based on the opponents each team has left, I don’t think PSU’s schedule will overtake USC’s.
You seem to be forgetting that PSU played a 1-AA team, Syracuse, and Temple in non-conference games, while all of USC’s were very respectable. The Pac-10 isn’t THAT weak, and the Big 10 isn’t THAT strong to make up for the massive discrepancy in OOC schedules.
by andy_wooster on Nov 2, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
Two of the non-conference opponents (Ohio State for USC and Oregon State for PSU) effectively cancel out that part of the difference in conference schedules. Notre Dame isn’t that good – they’ve won because they’re playing terrible teams. Virginia is totally schizo – they beat GT and North Carolina but got obliterated by Connecticut and Duke. My feeling is that when you’re considering teams for a championship, anyone behind a certain level should be an easy win regardless; the difference between beating the #50 team and the #150 team is not that important, because you should smack them both around.
That’s one of the smaller gaps in the list, and almost certainly moot anyway (I don’t see Bama losing two then beating Florida, or Florida dropping one and beating Bama, or the eventual Big XII South champ losing in the title game). But I think that PSU should have the tiniest of edges there if they win the conference with one loss. This being USC we’re talking about, there’s absolutely no chance that will actually hold true with the voters.
thank god you're not a voter
Sagarin’s schedule rankings:
USC – 29
PSU- 66
USC’s schedule has been significantly better to this point in time.
BTW, here is how Sagarin ranks the teams that PSU and USC have on their schedule.
13- Ohio State – both
18 – Michigan State – PSU
20 – Cal – USC
21 – Oregon State – both
29 – Oregon – USC
33 – Virgina – USC
34 – Arizona – USC
36 – Iowa – PSU
44- Illinois – PSU
48 – Notre Dame – USC
52 – Wisconsin – PSU
53 – Stanford – USC
71 – Purdue – PSU
78 – ASU – USC
84 – UCLA – USC
88 – Temple – PSU
91 – Indiana – PSU
96 – Michigan – PSU
103 – Syracuse – PSU
121 – Washington – USC
149 – Washington St. – USC
180 – Coastal Carolina – PSU
It’s hard for me to see how anyone even remotely objective could look at that list and conclude that PSU’s schedule was tougher than USC’s.
My feeling is that when you’re considering teams for a championship, anyone behind a certain level should be an easy win regardless; the difference between beating the #50 team and the #150 team is not that important, because you should smack them both around.
Not a good argument. First of all, a good team that has a terrible day could lose to a team ranked around 50. That would never happen with a crappy 1-AA team like Coastal Carolina.
Second of all, if you want to limit the discussion to only top 50 teams, USC will play seven while PSU plays five.
What would really be sweet...
Is a Northwestern win over Ohio State this Saturday, as it hurts both Penn State and USC.
I won't pick nits...
but one could argue a few things didn’t go Tech’s way either…a dropped TD that led instead to a FG…a block in the back on Shipley’s return that was flagged – then wasn’t. Not saying it was a bad block, but you rarely see a ref pick up a flag on a blocking call. A pass interference on Crabtree that was nothing more than a DB stumbling. I do think UT was uncharacteristically sloppy when it could least afford to be, though.
There were a TON of plays that were/were not made that could have totally altered this game either way…a few more plays made by UT and this is a great Horn win. A few more plays made by Tech and it wouldn’t have come down to a final second TD.
To me, while this was a great, great game…it was also a very, very weird game. Goofy play calls, bizzare non-calls (I will agree; it looked like there could have been at least a half dozen holding calls on Tech), puzzling clock management (though I don’t buy the theory that you slow it down to eat time off…you’re not guaranteed to score, so score when you can).
But I think we take OSU and Baylor, lose to OU. Then it gets REALLY interesting for everyone involved. A three way South tie will make for some serious hand wringing for all of us. Of course, OU and UT have to take care of business, too. I think they do.
you guys played a stellar game, the biggest thing (imo) getting to mccoy and forcing a ton of bad passes and killing our rhythm before it ever started.
a few plays either way and the game could have been decided. would have also been nice to have cosby all game, but, that’s life. hopefully he and orakpo aren’t badly hurt.
for the clock management..people weren’t talking about having a bad play and intentionally taking it to the next down adn then punching it in, god knows we weren’t scoring at will (for the most part, the last drive and the bomb to malcolm williams were nice) and needed every point as soon as possible… but rather people would have been happier if we had used up more of the play clock before taking the snap to score.
at any rate, congratulations on the win, i can’t say i won’t be rooting for you in the future, but when you guys get to the bcs bowl game (probably, maybe), fucking kill ’em.
by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 2, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
honestly...
… whether we win or lose… this is the kind of post that makes me glad to be a Texan. I think you guys have a great team. I hope we do kill ‘em. But if we don’t. I hope you do.
Peace
... I'm just sayin'
I think the first four plays in the first...
two possessions had us behind the 8 ball until late in the second quarter. A safety and 3 dropped passes had us way out of synch. Gotta give credit to TT for a great punt to be downed at the one or two and getting pressure. Fans were loud (at least on TV)
We're Texas...and you're NOT
Oh Texas...
When will you stop screwing yourselves. Obviously, the computers love you. That is because they take into account that you have a great team and a great record. The people voters hate you, that is because some of you seem to be too stupid for words… and writers listen, believe me.
Root for Tech to lose, that’s fine. But those of you who are badmouthing them, and getting on Tech forums saying “Tech sux”, you are screwing yourself. You don’t want to be the team that lost to a team that “sux”.
Before the Tech game, many of your fans were badmouthing Kansas. “Who has Tech beaten?”. Kansas sucks. Kansas doesn’t count. Tech’s “meatgrinder” doesn’t start until AFTER Kansas, when Tech plays Texas. Ok… this is just stupid. You still have to play Kansas. What if they beat you? Unthinkable? Fine. What if they play you close? Impossible? Fine. What if you kick their asses? So some stinkin’ jackhole east coast media scribe just heard you talking about how Tech doesn’t deserve any credit for beating a suckhole Kansas team. Why should YOU get any credit for it?
So, root for Tech to lose to OSU and OU. You should. But if I were you, I’d praise Tech to the rafters. I’d tell everyone who will listen that Kansas is the next Florida, Missouri hung the moon, and A&M is an up-and-comer.
Stop screwing yourselves.
We all benefit when the world hears us tell the truth. The Big 12 is the toughest and best division in the toughest and best conference in college football. Texas teams are #2 and #4 in the BCS. Amen. Whomever wins the Big 12, and whomever is second (and third too), ought to get a limo ride to Miami. Bring whatever ass-clown SEC team you want to bring. We don’t care.
The SEC sucks. Penn State couldn’t beat Iowa State.
Stop the aggie disease, and do yourselves a favor. Your team deserves it.
Peace
... I'm just sayin'
I would hope...
…that a fanbase isn’t judged on the random forum postings of 16-year-old t-shirt fans. But, I realize that sometimes that’s the case.
The good thing about this site is that the vast majority of members don’t fall into that category.
you would have screwed yourself over...
during the game I do remember seeing your name on the 2nd half thread saying game over. You didn’t realize that we had a comeback under our belt. If Harrel and Crabtree wouldn’t have gotten that TD, you my friend would screw yourself over.
tips
I get what he (Wells) is saying ,your over here yacking about what we should do and what we did. When your team just won your biggest game ever.hookem
Go POKES and who ever tech playes
Strength Of Schedule
Assuming that Tech gets beat by OSU or blowU (good chance between the two) and assuming that we tiebreak into and win the B12 championship, we should be marked as the best 1-loss team, which will reflect for sure in the computers, and would reflect in the pollsters if they were deciding who fills a spot for the NC game vs PSU or whatever.
That being said, go Sooners, Cowboys, Tigers of Louisiana, and Hawkeyes. Also go Seminoles. I will not call on Aggy, as a matter of principle, even though they’re playing blowU this week.
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