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Why you want the Pokes to win Saturday

Enough already with the three way tie breaker discussion.  If all goes well Thursday and Saturday, the Horns will lose a head-to-head tie breaker with Texas Tech and it won't even matter.

Nonsense?

Blasphemy?

No.

If there was ever a time we shouldn't cut off our nose to spite our face, this is it.  So don't give in.  If all goes well, we won't have a shot at the Big 12 title because our aim is just a bit higher.  For all intents and purposes, the OSU-OU game decides which Big 12 south team makes it to the national title game.  a poke win, and Texas is in.  On the other hand, an OU blowout tosses all the logic aside. 

if the calendar was the other way around and Texas played Saturday night while OU played Thursday maybe things would be different.  But unfortunately the calendar isn't on our side.  The Bedlam game will be the last thing voters see before they send in their vote, and multiple shots of DeMarco Murray, Manny Johnson, Broyles, and Bradford dancing in the endzone in Stillwater will trump the 45-35 trump card.

Aside from the deep seeded anger, animosity, and hatred we would all share if OU advances to the Big 12 title game, there is a logic to pulling for the pokes:

Value A.  While I don't undervalue the opportunity to win the Big 12 title, we must all accept that playing for the national title is the ultimate goal of any program.  National title games and their outcomes define players, coaches, programs, and eras.  A birth to the Big 12 title game would certainly be nice, and winning it would obviously put us on the path to the BCS title game - but the downside to a big OU win means the Fiesta for Texas most likely.  If you were to walk by the Horn's trophy case next year which would grab your attention more? - the Big 12 Championship trophy that is inconspicuously missing or the program's 5th National Championship trophy and second in the last three years?  I'd give up the former for a shot at the latter.

Value B. What could possibly be worse than Texas not playing in the BCS title game? Texas not playing and OU playing in the title game.  Stoops would have his 6th Big XII title, and would be playing for his 2nd national title.  Additionally, beating Tech, OSU, Missouri, and possibly the national title would probably overcome all the negativity Stoops has endured after losing several consecutive bowl games.  Mack has started to turn the tide in Texas' favor by winning 3 of the past 4 RRS games, and securing recruiting classes rated higher than OU's.  The possibility of another OU title would derail that momentum, and could impact us immediately.  If Jamarkus McFarland is still debating what school to go to in January, a national championship for OU as well as the prospects of McCoy and Granger leaving would make OU an even more appealing choice.

Now let's consider the most likely, possible outcomes (assuming Texas, Bama, Florida, and Tech all take care of business).

1. Texas crushes A&M, OU crushes OSU - OU will gain around 0.01 points in the BCS standings on Texas because of the computers alone.  Assuming the polls hold steady, this will be enough to squeek by Texas and into the Big 12 title game.

2. Texas crushes A&M, OU beats OSU in a non-blowout - OU will gain around 0.01 points in the BCS standings on Texas because of the computers alone.  Expect to have a sleepless night Saturday along with the rest of us.

3. Texas crushes A&M, OU squeeks by OSU - OU will gain around 0.01 points in the BCS standings on Texas because of the computers alone.  Expect to have a sleepless night Saturday along with the rest of us but feel slightly comforted in the fact that doubt could creep into the minds of some voters.

4. Texas crushes A&M, OSU upsets OU - Even though Tech fans would be making the exact same, logical argument all Texas fans are making today, Texas would solidify it's #2 ranking aheah of Tech.  Texas would hold its computer advantage over Tech by virtue of a better non-conference schedule, and a nuetral field win over OU.  Additionally, USC, Utah, and possibly Florida would act as a buffer between Texas and Tech.  The body of work, complete with a nuetral field beating of a top 3 team in the country, would be enough. 

The worst thing that could happen is that a majority of voters band together and put Tech ahead of Texas on their ballots.  It would take a lot of them to overcome the difference in the computer polls, first off.  Secondly, it would be the right thing to do if you believe that head-to-head match-ups matter.  If that happens, I'll swallow that pill because at least OU will not be there at the end.  The second worst thing that could happen for the 'Horns at that point would be Tech completely and utterly destroying Missouri.  Tech could find its way back into the title game this way.  Once again, fuck it, I'd rather have Tech in the national title game than OU and so should every Horn fan out there.

So three of the four scenarios above afford us Value A (playing for the BCS title) or Value B (OU not playing for the Big XII and BCS title), or both.  The only scenario that doesn't involves you rooting your ass off for OU on Saturday and making an ass out of yourself in the process if OU romps over OSU.  So root for OSU, if they come up just short FAN-FUCKIN-TASTIC, if they win oh well it could have been worse.

 

Of course, by 8pm Tech will have choked against Baylor and you'll be half drunk by then.

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personally i think the question is, do you want to play for a national championship, or do you want to play for a BCS bowl?

if OU beats OSU, and likely beats Missouri, they’re going to the NC and Texas would be off to BCS bowl.

if OU loses to OSU, Tech goes to the Big12 champ game.. win or lose, I don’t think they can be put above Texas, and I dont’ see anyone else stepping up to go to the NC game over Texas. USC is the only challenger, and they didn’t win their conference championship and haven’t played the best of schedules.

personally, i will be rooting for the sooners to lose, and tech to lose. though i know most likely tech will go and we’ll just have to wait our turn.

by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 25, 2008 12:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

also, i know there’s a bit of variability with tech and them going to a bowl, or them destroying missouri and possibly NC. but i just dont see them making up the ground it would require to put them ahead of us for a BCS bowl/NC depending on how OU wins/loses.

by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 25, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tech can't pass us without mass voter conspiracy against Texas

Assuming a Texas big win, OSU beating OU, Tech beating Baylor handily, and Tech beating Missouri (not handily), I think we hands down finish at least #2 in the BCS.

If Tech beats Baylor but loses to Missouri, it’s a done deal.

Tech is still strong in the computers (relative to their human ranking) so I wouldn’t put it out of possibility for them to get real close to Texas in the computers with a win against Missouri. It’s ambitious to expect any more than that from the computers if you’re Tech.

That means it comes down to the humans. We can all agree that Tech beating Baylor isn’t going to move them past USC or Penn State in the human polls. Utah, I don’t know. Maybe some folks in the Harris Poll will let the OU beatdown go a little and slide them past Utah.

Therefore, in order to supplant Texas, voters would have to push Tech over Penn State, USC, AND Texas after the Missouri game. It isn’t going to happen based on a win against Missouri. The voters would never vote that way under any other scenario, so why do it just because you don’t want Texas to go to the Title game?? It makes zero sense and would be a travesty to the system. Your one loss can’t be by 44 points. Tech would have to win by 50 over Baylor and 40-50 over Missouri for anyone to consider voting them over USC or Penn State at this point. It won’t happen.

Therefore your only fear under this scenario would be USC jumping Texas or Alabama maintaining a lead on Texas if they play a tight game with Florida in the SEC championship. Alabama won’t….. and USC can’t unless there is a conspiracy against Texas. Computers like Texas more than both of those teams anyway.

The “didn’t win your conference” argument is muted because of the strange scenario this year. The fact is they played the toughest conference schedule of any of the three and came out with one loss on the road in the last second. Tech screwed themselves by losing so badly. If they lose by 10 or less at Norman, they have every right to go the MNC game. But they lost by 44.

Tech wins, OU loses, then Texas can book tickets to Miami.

by jtlonghorn on Nov 25, 2008 1:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Half Drunk?

If Baylor beats TTU, I’ll relive my whole freshman year of college.

by Tackchevy on Nov 25, 2008 1:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

me to

that we be sweet

Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009

by Olemissreb451 on Nov 25, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

I always say I’m half-drunk, even when i’m stumbling drunk

by BMG on Nov 25, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

remeber

dont yall remember what happend to georgia last year, they got jumped by lsu, because “they didnt even win there own conference so why should they be considered one of the two best teams in the country” plus sports writers and voters have a hard on for OU and USC and LSU, so my bet is if osu beats ou and tech beats mizzou in the big 12 title game, then not only would texas not go to the national title, but i bet my left nut it would be either usc or magcially somehow OU

Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009

by Olemissreb451 on Nov 25, 2008 1:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

By your argument

It couldn’t be OU because they would not have won their conference. USC may not win theirs either. If the voters were to come together, it would have to be for Tech because the only other option would be Penn State and we can probably all agree that wouldn’t happen.

by BMG on Nov 25, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only way it could happen

is with total and complete BCS chaos. Alabama and Florida stumble, Oregon State goes down, USC clinches their conference because of the last, OU goes down and Texas gets cocky with blowout on their mind and wins very very ugly possibly in triple OT. So you’re left with no OU, no solid SEC team at the top, USC who beat down Ohio State and lost a close one on the road and Penn State who lost in the final seconds on the road. If Tech humiliates Baylor and goes on to KC to dismantle the Tigers then I think Tech could definitely have a shot at the NC versus Penn State. Joe Pa storyline would almost seal it for Penn State. Even if all of that happens I think Tech ends up playing in one of the BCS games just not the NC. Anything could happen all I know is that on Sunday afternoon someone is going to end up being very pissed I just hope it’s not us.

by seth78 on Nov 25, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The "winning your conference" thing is such BS

Isn’t the goal to match the two best teams in the country not the two best conference winners? UT, OU, and Tech all lost one game in conference. They tied for first place. Tiebreakers will put one of them in the Big XII championship game, but why should that penalize the others? This is where the argument about an objective selection committee makes sense in football. Coaches voting in a poll, many with ties to Bob Stoops, or Mack Brown, or Mike Leach, or ties to the conference they coach in, aren’t objective.

How many times have we seen a team lose their conference title game in basketball (or not even make it) and still get a #1 seed in the tourney? It happens all the time because they are one of the best teams in the country.

Not to mention we have a system where only some conferences have championship games. The BCS is weighted heavily towards conference champions, and then they have different ways of determining conference champions. The Big XII, SEC, and ACC can have their best team blown up by a crummy team in a championship game where the PAC 10 and Big 10 can’t.

by jtlonghorn on Nov 25, 2008 2:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It happens

in basketball because they actually play a tournament at the end. They settle it on the court. If football did the same, winning the conference wouldn’t be as important from my perspective. As it is, the BCS people insist the regualar season and the conf title games are the playoff. If that’s the case, then winning the conference title should be a factor. My gut say’s the voters won’t likely put a team in the national title game if they didn’t win their conference after what happened last year (and a few years prior to that).

Is UT one of the top two in the land? Yep. Could they get left out since there’s a chance they don’t win their division or conference? Yep. Same goes for OU. Fair? Nope…that’s why this system is a farce.

By the way, I am of the opinion that if Tech does manage to win the Big XII they shouldn’t go to the championship game. I think there are other worthy candidates from other conferences. I don’t buy the “who you lost to argument” very much. PSU had a bad loss, USC had a bad loss, Tech had a bad loss, some of you all think the Tech loss was a bad loss, some Sooners feel the UT loss was a bad loss, the Florida loss was a bad loss. The only team with a real argument is Utah since they don’t have one yet. They beat who they were asked to play. And they won their conference. The regular season, after all, is the tourney. Right?

What I would do is take the top two BCS teams that also won their conference titles and disregard the rest. If that shuts out a deserving team or three, well, so be it. As it stands there will be a few shut out anyway. At least asking teams to win their conference takes some of the arbitrary factors out of the mix.

by Tech92 on Nov 25, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

it would prevent a possibly rematch of same-conference teams. The only people in the country interested in that scenario would be fans of the two teams. Meh…The last thing I want to see is another UT v. OU game this year. That one has already been settled.

by Tech92 on Nov 25, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so a conference champion requirement is arbitrary?

when two major BCS conferences don’t even have conference championship games, and play unbalanced schedules its all arbitrary man.

by BMG on Nov 25, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

isn't* arbitrary

its retorical, you get the point

by BMG on Nov 25, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously

I didn’t point that out, but yes. If any conference plays a championship game, they all should. D-I is absurdly goofy in the way conferences decide titles and tie breakers. There’s no consistency, which is your point and my point.

I think you get my drift, though…make something concrete out of the season so it makes even a little sense. If you want to call the regular season the playoff, then make it consistent for all teams. It’s not.

by Tech92 on Nov 25, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IMHO

I think I’d rather see OU get beat, Florida beat Alabama, Tech win out, and us still land in the #2 spot.

My biggest fear is that we’ll go to KC, in the cold December weather, get someone hurt and they miss the NC/BCS bowl game. We’ve had just enough injuries over the last few games and gotten beat up just enough that I’d rather take the chance of backing into the NC game without having to go to KC and Texas having a healthier injury free team.

by Forty on Nov 25, 2008 6:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dont forget to beat A&M

Wow that mighty University of Texas team – sure needs alot of odd help so that they can make the claim to be the best in the nation. And wow cant we have some rules in this league stomping on second ranked teams like OU did Tech last Saturday? We really should tilt the world so that Texas can be the best.

by Randyy on Nov 25, 2008 9:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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