BCS Breakdown 2008 V1.6 (Irresistible Edition)
Since the ilk of OU absolutely refuse to be persuaded by reason, I'll have to counter with an irresistible force - Trashy 80's music videos with lyrics that were written by Dr. Sbaitso and the MS Word Thesaurus. To you, OU and punditry, this is Simply Irresistible.
How can it be permissible (1)
She(2) compromise my principle(3), yeah yeah
That kind of love is mythical(4)
She's anything but typical(5)
She's a craze(6) you'd endorse(7), shes a powerful force(8)
You're obliged to conform when there's no other course(9)
She used to look good to me(10), but now I find her
Simply irresistible(11)
(1) This is exactly what we've been saying this whole time. (2) She = OU, in case you haven't figured that out yet. (3) Regular season is a playoff, head to head on a neutral field, decide it on the field, etc. (4) Mythical National Championship. That's what "love" means in this weird thing I'm doing here. (5) Becaues typically if one team beats another and each have similar resumes otherwise, you put the head-to-head winner on top. (6) I'll give you that. (7) Bob Stoops would endorse, but not me, or even Mark Schlabach (FotB). (8) This only applies for 2.5 quarters against teams with fast defensive linemen. (9) Which is not to say there is no other course. Look around, do you see a gun pointed at your head? No? Then vote for Texas, because it's illegal for OU to hire someone to kill you. (10) "Playing the best football in the country" will do that for you, unless you lose to Texas when everyone is saying that about you. (11) Except in BCS Bowls.
I'll actually say things that make sense after the break...

So the Sooners are ahead of us in all the freakin' polls. This is obviously ridiculous, and I won't get into the absolute reasons why this shouldn't be the case, but I will point out some inconsistencies with the voters choices. Right now the Harris has OU #3, Texas #4, and Texas Tech #7. The coaches have OU #2, Texas #4, and Tech #8. So much for the coaches being stubborn, they actually swung more than the Harris.
The voters are screwing Texas with a double standard, here. They're saying the three-way tie is enough to ignore the head-to-head result between Texas and OU, but then they're also saying that Tech is out of it barring an OSU upset on Saturday. You can't have both. If you want to argue, as Dr. Saturday does, that the three-way tie eliminates the significance of head-to-head results, fine. But don't couple that with dropping Tech out of the picture, because that's ignoring your own reasoning when it gives you an unsatisfying conclusion. That conclusion here is that Tech should be much closer to OU and Texas than three or four rankings down. But if you look at that like I do, and see that Tech played no one out of conference and doesn't have near the in-conference trophy wall that Texas has, then you can see that the Red Raiders are not quite on par with the Longhorns and Sooners resume-wise.
Let's break that down, though, since there's a lot going on in that line of reasoning.
1.) Head-to-head wins are worth a lot.
It's the only thing we have that directly connects two teams, and it should never be completely discarded. (Yes, even if it makes your brain hurt to think about.)
2.) Head-to-head is not, however, everything.
Do you rank Ole Miss over Florida? Hell no. This is an extreme case used to highlight my point that head-to-head does have limits. If the resumes are too different, you can't use head-to-head to rank teams relative to one another.
3.) Tech's strength of schedule and the absolutely horrid performance against the Sooners put them solidly outside of the domain of Texas and OU.
They played two FCS (D-IAA. At what point can we stop doing this and just say FCS? Now? Ok, now.) teams. They had the same opponents as Texas and OU in the South (duh), but their North draw was Nebraska, Kansas, and KSU - Hardly murderer's row. They have one excellent win against Texas, and one very good win against Okie State, but they have one absolutely horrible loss to OU. We know Texas and OU's schedules very thoroughly by now, and they're better than this. OU because of Tech and TCU/Cincy, Texas because of OU, OSU and Missouri. Texas Tech does not fall into the same category as Texas and OU. I don't see how you can dispute that, unless you're arguing that Tech's resume is similar to OU's, in which case that just makes Texas stand out more. Plus, OU will play OSU Saturday and then they'll have a schedule on par with Texas'.
4a.) We can apply head-to-head between Texas and OU, because Tech is one rung down the ladder from these two.
This means exactly what it says. If Tech had played a tougher out-of-conference schedule and lost to any team outside of the current top five or so, this would be a done-deal. If Tech had two losses, it would be obvious without thought that their resume was inferior and that really all that matters is Texas beat OU and their resumes are similar otherwise. Even if that loss came out of conference, Texas would still be ranked ahead of OU from head-to-head. No one seems to notice that Tech is not on Texas and OU's level when they compare OU and Texas, but when they rank Texas Tech #7 or #8, it's pretty clear that they know it.
4b.) Head-to-head trumps transitive property.
As I mentioned, the transitive property in football could make just about any team in the nation a national champion by a long string of inequalities as long as the champion has at least one loss. It's completely ridiculous to look at the transitive property, because unit matchups dictate outcomes much more specifically than overall team "goodness" comparisons. Therefore, it's pointless to argue that OU>Tech>Texas is more significant than Texas>OU. What if two kids were having a throwing contest, first baseballs, then footballs. Kid A throws a strike 45 of 50 times, while Kid B throws 35 of 50 strikes, then Kid A tries to throw a football through a tire 50 times but only makes it through 49 and Kid B zips it through 49 times, then starts the tire swinging and spinning and does it once more. Now you have to bet on which of them will throw more strikes if they pitch baseballs again. Harris and Coaches Poll voters are standing around when bets are due saying, "Did you see that Kid B? He through a football through a swinging, spinning tire!" SHINY!
The point: What's a more likely indicator of which team is better, Texas or OU? Texas beats OU, or OU beats Tech beats Texas? The only fair thing is to take the simpler, and therefore less subject to random things you don't expect, path. Texas beating OU trumps OU beating Tech beating Texas.
Phew. Hopefully that baseball/football competition analogy makes sense, I've been trying to come up with an analogy for this situation, but I'm apparently horrible at it, because my girlfriend doesn't get it and I've been explaining it to her for like ten minutes. If you're thinking in the back of your head "Yeah, but that trick with the tire, I dunno, I'd give him a shot, what are the odds?" Then you must be on the Harris/Coaches Poll roster, so I won't call you stupid, but come on. Really?
Outliers Watch:
What's this? Horn Brain actually is going to do a BCS Breakdown post? I voted on BZ to do it this week because I like his analogies better.
OK that was the last one. Graph:

Well this year is turning out crazy. All of the voters, human and computer, completely agree about the rankings of just about everyone outside the top eight, with the lone exception of poor #23 Oregon. In good news: The teams I pointed out as outliers last week all played like crap. LSU was stomped by Ole Miss, Georgia Tech destroyed Miami, Ball State nearly lost to Central Michigan, Pittsburgh was getting stomped by Cincy before making a late comeback to bring the game within one score and North Carolina was smashed by NC State. UNC and LSU were pretty big upsets, so that makes me happy for my system. My take on the weirdos:
Alabama - You're going DOWN, Dumbo! Seriously, we've discussed this, Alabama has shown us nothing. They've beaten some ok teams pretty thoroughly, but they've also struggled against some mediocre competition. If Florida shows up in the SEC CG with the same attitude they've had for the past few games, I don't know if the Tide can beat them.
Texas - The computers have us almost in first place, while the humans have us in fourth. Don't be too worried, this is good territory to be in. I've found the computers are usually more right, and I tend to go with them.
Florida - Computers hate them because they haven't really played anyone. Georgia and LSU were overrated, and they lost to an Ole Miss team that's just ok. Normally I'd say this is upset alert, but I think that the computers just don't have enough good games to go on to give the Gators the ranking they deserve. They are playing very well (I'm NOT talking about beating the Citadel.).
USC - With the exception of every powerhouse's biggest fan, Richard Billingsley, the computers hate the Trojans for playing in a crap league. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they ate it in one of their next two lay-ups. If we go to the Fiesta Bowl because of the moral breakdown of society, I really hope we get to play them. It seems like we could look damn good beating them and possibly steal the AP title from the Sooners if they win the BCS.
Texas Tech - The computers like them because they beat Texas and OSU, whom the computers freaking love. The people hate them because they got a hole stomped in their chest during primetime. This is one case where MOV would help the computers see what's up. Tech conjured up the perfect storm in Lubbock, and it hit at the perfect moment for them to take us out. A very good football team? Sure. Especially for Tech. Not so much for OU or Texas.
Oregon is too far down and not deviant enough for me to have any confidence in them being prime for upset, but hey, Miami and UNC went down and they were down there, so why not?
Billingsley Report Card:
Dude drives me crazy:

RB leads the computers in throwouts again with 10. He actually has company in the highest standard deviation metric this week, with Jeff Sagarin's ELO-CHESS system just 0.06 behind him. What you don't see on here is where I compare the standard deviations from the BCS overall rankings (including humans). In those, Jeff still sticks out, but RB mysteriously has a pretty low standard deviation. Why is that? Because the RB report is just some conjured-up spreadsheet system that is designed to rank the teams like the humans do - preferential treatment for old hands, skeptical eyes on outsiders who overachieve. I call BS, as usual.
Tune in next time for more BCS Breakdown: Same nerd time*, same nerd channel!
*Actually I have no idea when the next one will come out next week.
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Seriously
This might be a bit off-topic, but before I go into arts and crafts time, I desperately need to know:
Is there anyone that visits this website who has brought a sign into the stadium before?
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by bendj on
Nov 27, 2008 10:51 AM CST
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You'll only find non-standard deviants here.
In another thread, best info seemed to dictate nothing bigger than a flag. A normal flag, not one of those car-sales monsters that need a 20-mph wind just to unfold. Not that big flags are bad…
by whills on
Nov 27, 2008 10:58 AM CST
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That entire argument rests on the simple premise that Tech is removed from the equation, not because they lost, but because they got blown out. And yet, Oklahoma doesn’t get rewarded for being the team that put on the beatdown.
If Tech had lost by 10 points on Saturday night would you be making this argument? Probably not because Tech would have been higher in the BCS standings. Any argument that PUNISHES Oklahoma for beating Tech by TOO MANY points is absolutely absurd.
It amazes me Texas fans can’t come up with a better argument than the ones being bandied about on this board and that actually have some intellectual thought behind it. How about these 2 for starters:
1) We’re 6-1 in conference and have played the toughest conference schedule of the 3 teams. Conference record is what this is all based on correct.
2) We have the best defense and special teams of the 3 teams and an offense that is very comparable (i.e. we’re the most complete team of the 3). More subjective, but at least supported by stats.
by DoubleB on
Nov 27, 2008 10:56 AM CST
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And if that's what you believe,
Then fine, we can argue over who’s the best team (us, obv.). I’m just saying that Tech is not on our level. If you think they are, then you’ll just have to vote us in because of our superior resume and team strengths. OU beating Tech by ten points would have been because the Sooners played poorly, not because Tech played well. OU showed that they are in a different league than Tech, IMO. I would have expected a similar result (not quite as lopsided, but similar) if Tech had come to Texas after a bye week. These are my opinions.
by Horn Brain on
Nov 27, 2008 11:05 AM CST
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Why do people still keep using the word “mythical” before the words “national championship”? There’s nothing mythical about it. It’s every bit as valid and real as a tournament-based championship, except that it makes sure that the regular season actually matters.
by burntorangehorn on
Nov 27, 2008 10:57 AM CST
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It's not a function of direct playoffs to achieve it.
The regular season always matters. It mattered before BCS. It will matter afterward. You can’t win a MNC without the hot dog vendors and popcorn mavens being counted, too.
The NCAA awards real NCs in every sport but but the highest class of football. Somebody else does that and because it is shrouded in the misty illusions of rum-soaked writers, champagne-soaked demigods from the Eastern money mountains, hyper-enthusiasts from the tubes and a one-time stolen kiss on a cold night in January, there is the feeling that any number of possible outcomes could have ended in different conclusions. You want the Big Bang but you get The Many Threads.
by whills on
Nov 27, 2008 11:12 AM CST
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I also object to the term
my belief remains that college football is the only sport consistent in providing a worthy champion. From the Giants to the Steelers or the Phillies to the Marlins, most sports reward the hottest team at the end of play, and thus produce horribly forgettable champions.
The pleasure of watching college football each season can be divided into two categories: 1) everyone follows his/her alma mater or local team, and 2) everyone watches the 6-8 teams that have a legit shot at a NC.
With respect to the latter, we all watch each week to see how that national race is shaping up – who will survive this week, and who will get knocked out? And this drama endures for over three months, adhering itself in our nostalgia to this magical season of Autumn color, as opposed to being confined to a couple of weeks during the holidays, when the students no longer are even around.
And what drama would Autumn hold with an 8-team playoff? If you had considered the 6-8 title contenders before the 2008 season, I’m sure most of us could have agreed upon Florida, USC, Georgia, Oklahoma, Penn St., Texas, etc. And guess what? If we had an 8-team playoff, all of those teams would still be in it. So what would we have decided from September to December? Practically nothing. There would have been no real urgency in Cotton Bowl in October because both teams would get another shot at each other in the playoffs, none for USC against Ohio St., none for Penn St. against Iowa, and so forth. We would be back where we started in August, with practically the same top 8 teams, except that our television ratings and attendance numbers would have been much lower, as the core of college football fandom would have shifted away from the students during the Fall toward carefully-targeted casual fans during the Winter, who are sucked in at the last minute by a shiny little tournament.
by BrooklynHorn on
Nov 27, 2008 11:44 AM CST
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It is mired in subjectivity
Similar to figure skating and gymnastics, both the current setup and playoffs where teams are selected based solely on rankings is subjective and hindered by bias. The only unbiased way to select teams for a playoff is based on objective results, i.e. the conference champions. The added bonus of this method is that the full season matters just as much as it does now, if not more.
by Lobo89 on
Nov 27, 2008 12:04 PM CST
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That is why I have always favored at least a 16-team playoff.
11 conference champions, 5 at-large bids.
No conference championships, give both bids, one as champion, one as an at-large bid.
I personally think the mid-majors on down need their own little play-off, four teams. That will take a couple of the small school conferences out of the 16-team mix. Everyone else is free to go to other bowls (although I would want more serious matchmaking in those).
Eventually, this is where this will go. Why wait?
by whills on
Nov 27, 2008 12:11 PM CST
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geez
16 teams. While you’re at it, why don’t you just shoot the first-born child of every college football fan in America.
by BrooklynHorn on
Nov 27, 2008 1:04 PM CST
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As opposed to the 60+ teams that play in post season bowls now?
Just get to 6 wins and you can go to a bowl. You can even count a win against a D1AA team.
16 teams out of 119 is not that many, somewhere around 13.5%.
Personally, I would prefer to push about 30 teams back to 1AA, reorganize the remaining non-BCS schools into 2 conferences and have the 8 conference winners playoff over the holidays.
by Lobo89 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:27 PM CST
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Just because it is so different from the current system
doesn’t mean that 16 teams would be wrong. I would actually prefer it over 8, although I think the perfect amount is twelve. Every other division of NCAA football uses 16 team playoffs, and I don’t see anybody scoffing at the absurdity of it. All I see is a lot of pleased college football fans.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
by circa1015 on
Nov 27, 2008 5:20 PM CST
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I understand I am in the minority
but please note that nowhere in my argument did I oppose a playoff simply because it is different. If anything, I detest the idea of a playoff partly because it will conform college football to all of the other American sports that have fallen victim to this trend.
Did you see the halftime performance during today’s Cowboys game? I dread the day the transformation of college football from a tradition-based, grass-field, ballgame to an NFL-like marketing event is complete. A playoff system would be the first step, because it shifts the dependency of the game’s finances from the students and alumni to a much broader, mainstream, casual audience (the same audience the NCAA tournament depends on). This means the lowest common denominator will be the target for this new brand of marketing, and our half-time shows, too, will be subject to ridiculous teen-pop acts.
by BrooklynHorn on
Nov 27, 2008 6:30 PM CST
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The main push of the BCS is to maximize media dollars.
That’s the big money already in play. And we can see the game turned more and more into a commodity. That may happen with a playoff, too, but really, it’s no different as far as being a media event.
Realize the media is the real profiteer. The colleges can dictate a lot more than they have. With media departments, they can take over a serious portion of the media role in creating the product (nee: Longhorn Network).
You’re decrying commercialism, but it’s all over everything with all these media. But I do think there can be a better way. I don’t like the intrusion on the game at all…and I’ve been watching since it really became something in the 60s. The college president aren’t being very farsighted…they seem to see the low-hanging dollars much more.
by whills on
Nov 27, 2008 11:00 PM CST
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Speaking of which, why is Texas apparently the only team that does not have a coach show on FOX Sports Central? We don’t get Longhorn Network out here in Maryland.
by burntorangehorn on
Nov 27, 2008 11:30 PM CST
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"You’re decrying commercialism"
I’m doing nothing of the sort.
I do hate commercialism, but that is not my battle here. My point was that, in the event of a playoff, there will be a shift in the demographics to which the NCAA needs to market.
Basically, I’m saying that college football has found a way to extort money from its natural fanbase – alumni – which happens to be profitable, as there is a built-in advantage to having a lot of educated and successful people in your target audience. While evil, it so far has not dramatically changed the face of college football. There’s more money being thrown around, but to my mind that has done more to affect the off-field drama (talk-radio, coaches’ salaries, the pressure put on coaches, etc.) than actually changing the vibe of the game on Saturday. But a playoff means marketing to the same crowd as does the NFL, a sport that attempts to drain the wallets of a variety of demographics, not just the natural fanbase.
Trust me, its going to suck.
by BrooklynHorn on
Nov 28, 2008 3:17 AM CST
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I agree that it is subjective (to an extent)
but I find that to be a far lesser evil than moving college football madness from 3 months in the Fall to three weeks in the Winter.
And really, the whole concept of a “champion” is subjective, as it is relatively new to sports. Time was, an athlete just competed, and may or may not achieve glory, but using a tournament to determine a “champion” is a mostly modern endeavor.
by BrooklynHorn on
Nov 27, 2008 1:08 PM CST
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With the requirement to win your conference
it just extends the madness in my opinion. Every game still matters.
I agree that the concept of a playoff is contrived in most circumstances. Really, only the NFL and MLB have a real need for a end of season tournament. The NFL because it is not possible for everyone to play everyone else and MLB because they are (technically) two separate leagues with separate rules. While, the most exciting part of their season, the NHL and NBA playoffs ruin the regular season. I would almost prefer to see a true round robin schedule where everyone plays everyone else home and away in the regular season and the team with the best record wins the championship. But that will never happen.
by Lobo89 on
Nov 27, 2008 2:40 PM CST
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I don't think we disagree all that much
My feeling has always been that a small playoff (4 teams) won’t change the season significantly, but I would say it is darn near a fact that any playoff at all will just keep expanding (with so mush money to be had), and that expansion will certainly kill the Autumn football season.
But I stand by what I had written in my first comment. 16 of 119 isn’t a lot, percentage wise, but it kills the “second incentive” for most college fans’ fanaticism, which is that, along with supporting their own teams (say, Boston College or Purdue), most fans draw excitement from the race at the top, which usually includes about 6-8 teams that are legitimate contenders. Any playoff format larger than 4 will eliminate most of those uber-stimulating “games of the Century” we have each week, because those games exclusively involve at least one team in the top 8, and knowing that nearly all 8 of those teams will eventually make the playoffs will effectively remove most of the meaning.
In a perfect world, we’d have a 4-team playoff, but because this is not a perfect world, and because I trust no one to favor tradition or nobility over money, I oppose the implementation of even a 4-team tournament. Basically, the slippery-slope argument.
by BrooklynHorn on
Nov 27, 2008 4:55 PM CST
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But playoffs don’t lend more legitimacy to a championship. Not when teams that aren’t #1 seeds in tournaments are winning championships in most cases.
by burntorangehorn on
Nov 27, 2008 10:03 PM CST
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So, what if your girlfriend is right?
Does this endanger tonight’s game?
by whills on
Nov 27, 2008 11:16 AM CST
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Off the topic but curious
Anyone know where i can find a video of the great Tyler Rose running over bevo. Family discussion here on turkey day and we cant find a clip anywhere. Also, happy thanksgiving to all my fellow longhorns.
by horny on
Nov 27, 2008 3:45 PM CST
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