Never thought of this

by CowboyLonghorn on Nov 27, 2008 9:47 PM CST Comment 17 comments

But if OSU beats OU and Tech wins out (even if they dont) Texas will probably keep their rank. We also need Florida and Bama to lose to FLorida St. and Auburn. There's no way that Tech can go up 5 spots. Any one agree?

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by CowboyLonghorn on Nov 27, 2008 9:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

its possible

but LSU made a similar jump last year b/c of winning the SEC

by owenh on Nov 27, 2008 10:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

even if tech made the jump…. texas would be no worse off. they are currently looking at a BCS bowl if OU wins (assuming the south wins the big12 no matter what).. the bad thing woudl be if tech made the jump, and someone else made the jump pushing TT out of the NC game.

but, TT will not make the NC game after a 66-21 loss, or whatever it was. therefore, texas is sitting pretty. only USC challenges them, and theres no reason to put them over texas. they won’t have won their conference, they will have a shitty loss, and they will not be going to the NC game.

by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 27, 2008 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So with an OU loss….Tech goes on to win the division (undisputedly, right, with a thing called head-to-head…“39-33”) and then goes to a neutral site to beat Mizzou (more like a home game for Mizzou) and win the Big 12, which would make Tech’s SOS go up close to that of UT and give them a better record of 12-1 compared to UT’s 11-1, you don’t think Tech should earn a spot in a better bowl game (and possibly national championship) than UT?

I’m very aware this is all a long shot and much needs to occur for all this to really take place, but I’m just curious how Longhorn nation would be able to explain their way out of that one. All the current arguments would disappear. Better get all the creative minds to start the politicking maneuvers ready.

by pcrawttu on Nov 27, 2008 10:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

with tech’s most recent loss.. no one is going to give them credit for anything.

by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 27, 2008 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, so don’t give Tech credit for anything and not put them in the NC game after their recent bad loss.
But in the given scenario above, if it were to all work out that way, you could in all seriousness tell me that UT would earn and deserve more credit to go to a better bowl? If so, then UT nation would be the biggest bunch of hypocrites right now, with all the “45-35” signs in the crowd.

UT’s whole basis right now is the head-to-head argument (which totally leaves out the third piece of the tied division puzzle, 39-33, but is a whole different story). If OU were to lose, leaving Tech and UT atop the division, how would you justify UT rightfully being ranked higher (with the scenario of beating Mizzou)?

by pcrawttu on Nov 27, 2008 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree with DL

If Tech manages to whip Mizzou by a large margin, they will get a large amount of credit, and would likely deserve to go to Miami, IMO. However, Tech has not proven to be a very good road team, so we can be forgiven if we consider that a fairly remote possibility. Remember, this is a Texas blog. We are looking for ways we get in, not ways Tech gets in. Plus, I think you need to take another look at SOS. Just playing Mizzou is not going to get Tech’s SOS anywhere near ours.

by Longhorn in Canada on Nov 27, 2008 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tech’s road wins include thrashings of KU and KSU, as well as 18 point wins over Nevada and Atm. The only true road struggle this year was the dismantling they took from OU. Tech’s closest games were actually at home to Nebraska and UT.

Also, according to recent Sagarin SOS, UT was 5th before Atm game today and Tech was 19th before Baylor. I imagine both would go down a few spots (and OU’s 25 should rise after playing OSu this Saturday). But if Tech were to play #12 Mizzou on a neutral field, I’m pretty sure that would raise their SOS quite a bit. Tech will have played all the same top teams that UT played.

If all that is good enough to play for the NC? I have no idea.

And I realize this is a UT blog, but you want to keep it realistic, right? I’m not trying to be disrespectful, I am just trying to point out objective facts. I am a Tech fan, so if you do not want my opinion, that is fine. Just let me know and I won’t comment anymore.

by pcrawttu on Nov 27, 2008 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

tech was on the wrong end of a 66pt beat down.. texas came up 2 plays short of a perfect season.

no, tech is not going to earn back the respect for the NC over texas.

by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 27, 2008 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just like style points matter in wins

Style points matter in losses, and boy… Tech accumulated a crap load of negative style points in the OU game. Sorry Tech, but you’re done as far as MNC goes unless complete chaos ensues.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 28, 2008 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This whole thing is just a modified game of rock, paper, scissors.

I’m cheering like hell for Baylor to pull an App State, and in the event of that failing, praying like hell that the computer they are using to determine the BCS on Sunday is the same one that beat Kasparov in chess, because the smartest computer will determine that Texas deserves to be ahead of OU in the BCS standings.

"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."

by bendj on Nov 28, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I posted a similar fanpost

right after the Tech-ou game last week.

Tech may well deserve it if they do what you say (go to the big 12 championship and win), BUT after last week’s debacle there is noone (outside of Tech fans) who wants to seem them in prime time, on the road, against Florida in their backyard for the nc. Texas wouldn’t have to make an argument, the pollsters wouldn’t vote Tech high enough to jump Texas b/c they would want to see Texas-Florida.

They know Texas played well against ou on a neutral field with national coverage and played well (not well enough) on your homefield in prime time. They may also remember us beating USC in their backyard for the nc not too long ago.

The BCS is also largely about money and big name schools and the powers that be would see bigger ratings and more money with Florida-Texas and pundits would lobby accordingly.

by tdwalsh on Nov 27, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes that may be the case. I realize Tech is not as big of name as UT and pollsters could vote for them or even USC instead. But IF the scenario above played out (and it’s a big IF with many factors falling into place), do you think that UT will have seriously EARNED a spot above Tech, with a head-to-head loss and Tech winning the conference, and having an extra win to their credit (on a neutral field in prime time at the Big12 Championship game over a highly ranked team) and forgetting the popularity contest? If so, I’m just curious what the logic would be.

by pcrawttu on Nov 27, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

please see my comment above.

by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What makes you sure you're going to beat Mizzou?

Mizzou might very well be the favorite in that game.

Tech’s best win away from Lubbock is…. Kansas?

by goingforthecorner on Nov 28, 2008 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I never said I was sure Tech would beat Mizzou, hence the two “IF’s”. Mizzou would be extremely tough to beat up in KC. All I wanted was a straight answer IF the cards fell into place. It doesn’t look probable at the moment, but could possibly happen.

And yeah, Ut came a few plays from winning that game. But they also came a few plays from it being a blowout. But those are “if’’s” and don’t matter, right? Also, Osu came very close to beating Ut on their home field. Tech blew out that same Osu team in Lubbock. Do those “style” points not mean anything?

Right now, UT is saying they have the head-to-head over OU, and they are totally leaving out Tech because of the bad loss (and forgetting about the loss to Tech). Fine, that is true. But if OU were to lose (and I have been stressing the IF’s), that would leave the tie between Ut and Tech. The head-to-head would belong to Tech. In that case, would it also be fair to forget about the Tech loss to OU in that situation and concentrate solely on “39-33”? I’m not saying that should be the case, but it is the same logic in the current argument.

For Displaced, I do understand OU was a bad loss. But that does not negate the other factors if the scenario played out. Negative points and perception, I gotcha. But you are avoiding all the other points I stated. (Ut’s resume is currently stronger than Tech, but IF Tech were to meet Mizzou on neutral field, I think the resume would be comparable. If you don’t, that is one point you could make.) If you feel that UT should earn better placement in the polls after all that, I just wonder why, if it was possible to look at facts objectively and quit discounting Tech just because they aren’t UT. If you could accept the comparable resumes and then overlook the head-to-head matchup, you are saying it is ok for college football to just be one glorified popularity contest with the same “elite” schools always at the top? That may be what happens with money and pollsters, but do you truthfully think that is right?

I realize that UT is in a better position right now than Tech and probably will stay assuming Ou beats OSu. All this started out based on many “what If’s”. But all this would totally change the current status of the division race if the above scenario worked out.

And remember, I didn’t say Tech had to go to the NCG. I was just wondering if Tech would have EARNED higher status, based on a complete season with extra big-win and winning the conf. and the head-to-head matchup. If you have any other reason than the one Ou game score, let me know.

by pcrawttu on Nov 28, 2008 1:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

again, the biggest things are their losses. tech lost in a 66 point blow out, texas just barely lost. no one is considering osu because both teams won that game. just because TT got the nod to go to the big12 champ game and win… doesn’t mean texas could not have done the same. and if this were almost any other major conference… texas would be going.

it’s not the quality of their overall season, it’s the quality of their losses that people would be focused on. and potentially yea, if TT had lost that game at the very beginning of the beginning and then stormed through the big12 and won everything then people’s perceptions would be different. but you didn’t, you lost in the final weeks and lost huge. the same thing is troubling texas right now, a late season loss fucking them over. ou lost earliest, and is reaping the best benefits of doing so.

by Displaced Longhorn on Nov 28, 2008 1:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs