Muschamp and next year's Tech
Now that Fulmer is out at Tennesse, what's everyone's opinion on Muschamp leaving for Tennessee and SEC country? Tennessee would be a nice gig, esp. when Muschamp has SEC roots.
Next year's Tech - it will be fun to beat them in Austin and show them how to win with class. Harrell will be gone; I heard talk of Crabtree leaving for the NFL - isn't he a sophomore or was he redshirted? (don't you have to be out 3 yrs?) They lose a couple linemen as well don't they?
Leach was on Fox last night's BCS show and said something to the effect that Lubbocks fans and gameday environment is the best in the country. Um....apparently he hasn't been to the Georgia/Florida Cocktail party, the OSU/Michigan rally, LSU, Notre Dame and a host of other places. Austin is without question one of the best environments but since he always on the short end of the stick in Austin, I can see why he may not like Austin.
Finally will Leach finally make the jump to a higher profile school? Or should I say will a higher profile school make the jump to hire a goofball? He wanted the Miami gig and got skipped over. If they lose their stars it seems logical that Leach leaves Lubbock.
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1 more year?
I figured Muschamp’s goal was to win a NC when he joined on, hopefully he sticks around to try and do so.
I would move if someone offered me a promotion and a raise… But Muschamp’s obviously a madman, so who can know what he’ll do?
by notsofst on Nov 3, 2008 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Has to improve on this......
Texas Tech’s Offensive Production:
Season – Total yards, 1st Downs
2008 – 581, 31
2007 – 466, 26
2006 – 506, 27
2005 – 468, 29
2004 – 386, 20
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by HornChamps on Nov 3, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, here's you free shot...
… that’s the offense’s fault, dude. Don’t blow your golden opportunity to lay into Mack and Davis for this one.
by Horn Brain on Nov 3, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And let us not forget...
The Defense only gave up 30 points to Tech this year.
Our Offense gave up another 9 points.
by Shake on Nov 4, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t tell us all that much, since each of those Tech offenses were different (and of course our defenses were different, but ignoring that). Here are Tech’s averages for those years followed by the difference between that value and what we allowed.
2008 – 556.9, 27.6 (24.1, +3.4)
2007 – 537.0, 27.8 (-71.0, -3.2)
2006 – 448.8, 23.8 (17.2, +2.2)
2005 – 492.4, 26.7 (-24.4, +2.3)
2004 – 491.7, 26.8 (-105.7, -6.8)
So this year was the worst we’ve had in that period of time, yes, though perhaps not all that terrible, really. However, I think the most significant reason that Tech had gaudy offensive statistics had to do with our offensive woes and failure to control the clock at all in the first half (first quarter especially). Let’s compare time of possession during these years:
2008 – 23:07
2007 – 40:12
2006 – 31:14
2005 – 23:59
2004 – 39:12
The only year even remotely close to this year was 2005, which was a 52-17 beatdown. Quite simply, the offense’s poor job of holding on to the ball (something we all agreed was going to be critical going into this game as proven by the Nebraska game) led to the increased offensive production from Tech. Perhaps Texas Tech’s yards per play would tell us more, since that accounts for the increased number of plays.
2008 – 7.1 (-0.5)
2007 – 8.7 (1.7)
2006 – 6.7 (0.0)
2005 – 5.0 (-1.6)
2004 – 6.2 (+0.0)
So we had our second best game in limiting their offense’s production per snap of the football. But all of this is just mental masturbation, let’s look at what really matters. Here’s their average scores for each year, followed by how many we gave up relative to that.
2008 – 48.0 (-11.0)
2007 – 41.8 (+1.2)
2006 – 32.5 (-1.0)
2005 – 39.4 (-22.4)
2004 – 36.2 (-15.2)
Considering 7 of those points came off a pick-6, and I’d say that’s not a bad performance against one of the best passing offense’s in the nation whilst utilizing a secondary made up predominantly of freshman and a pass rush that was blatantly held the entire game.
In summary, Muschamp did an acceptable job. He put us in position to win the game. The offense is the story here, not the defense.
by Meekrob on Nov 3, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Next year
Tech loses a ton of talent for next year.
Harrell
Crabtree (yes, he’s a third year soph, so he’s draft eligible)
Woods
Charbonnet
2 offensive linemen
and a few other guys on defense
We won’t be near as difficult next year, but we will still beat aggy.
by Tech92 on Nov 3, 2008 5:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I bet he stays
I think Muschamp stays. This is a great spot, and the disaster in the desert didn’t bump his stock up. I’m not being critical, just making an observation. My guess is he stays for a year or two….. or maybe I’m just hoping.
Hook Em
by ATXHornsFan on Nov 3, 2008 6:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention his wife LOVES Austin...as do i...
by mccoy12 on Nov 3, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That never hurts
And Austin is a bit more of a city than Knoxville.
by ATXHornsFan on Nov 3, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Face reality, fellas.
If Tennessee comes knocking with $2.5 million to $3 million a year, Muschamp’s gone.
That said, I think Tennessee will try to get somebody who specializes on the offensive side of the ball. If they do go after Muschamp, though, there is no way he passes up on it.
by the1austin on Nov 3, 2008 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt say austin is one of best environments in country
maybe outside of the game, sure, its the coolest football town in america. but i think longhorn fans could learn something about being rowdy from tech fans. perhaps not pick up the dipshit part of their behavior, but DKR is rarely that jumping, especially not before the north end zone construction. just my two cents
by Blitzburgh on Nov 4, 2008 2:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Leach to Tennessee
It makes sense. Leach didn’t re-up his contract, he’s never been more high profile (think: Urban Meyer at Utah). Tennessee is one of the big time college coaching jobs. Leach is a nut, but if they put up with Fulmer, they’ll put up with anybody.
I don’t think they hire a coordinator to take over the Vol program, as awesome as Muschamp is.
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by 98horn on Nov 4, 2008 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Huskies?
What about Leach going to Washington? I don’t think two traditional programs like Tennessee or Clemson would take a chance on Leach, but Washington has nothing to lose. They were paying Willingham a little more than Tech pays Leach, but I’m sure they could offer Leach at least $2mil per year to turn their program around. Muschamp is a good fit for Tennessee or Clemson I think.
That being said, I think there’s a great chance both might stay exactly where they are. Leach is a perfect fit for Tech. He’s an oddball, unconventional, and goofy. No way he could fit in to high profile coaching positions like UT, Florida, etc. but Tech could care less. He usually beats A&M and occasionally upsets UT/OU, which perfectly satisfies the Tech fanbase. With Muschamp, the Vols and Clemson jobs are tempting for him, but I think he knows that he could make another title run with Texas next year. Our good defense will be even better under him next year, and if we win the title he could have his pick of any job in the country after next season (maybe even taking over at Auburn if they continue to slide in ’09).
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by Drewmonsta on Nov 4, 2008 11:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad argument
But coaches, at least as I understand it, never like to wait around and see what jobs would open up the year after they are a hot commodity. Tennessee and Auburn are about as high profile as it gets. Would there be similar openings next year, or would a coach-in-waiting have to settle on a Syracuse type of gig. As much as I would bet WM likes Austin and coaching at UT, he’s a great head coach candidate. I just think it would be really tough to turn down the prestige (and money) that goes along with such a visible program as one that is in the SEC – and has a lengthy tradition of winning and awesome fan base.
Leach, however, would be a good fit at U-dub. But I have read (and everything we read on the internet is 100% true!!) they want someone with ties to the program and a strong Pac-10/West Coast background. I have no idea if that’s really true or not.
by Tech92 on Nov 4, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the hidden values for Leach staying at Tech
is that he finally has the national presence (and state-wide) to pull in a hell of recruiting class, the one thing that has been so tough for him to develop.
Perhaps that would carry to somewhere else, but the lure of being QB or a receiver at Tech, a name defensive player, etc. could give Leach an outstanding class this year and probably next year, too, and insure his future success.
He can get more money from Tech; even alumni can put up a supplementary fund, like they have at several schools.
Last, does Leach want another rebuilding job, which is what will be the case at both Tennessee and Washington. Or does he want to reload at Tech for another serious run in two or three years? In actuality, he finally got his foot in the Big 12 door; does he want to give that up to start over in the SEC (with Florida, Bama and LSU, et. al.) or the Pac 10 with SC, Oregon, Arizona St., etc?
IMHO Butch Davis is a better fit at Tennessee, and Washington is not going to pull a super coach, but a younger, eager one who is not so realistically dismayed by UW’s situation (hint: East Carolina).
by whills on Nov 4, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
head coach changes
So, aside from Tennessee, Clemson, Washington, and Syracuse what other programs do you think will excuse their head coach by next season? Here’s my take on the most talked-about:
NOTRE DAME – no
Weis is only half-way through his contract, and with 5 wins, and in all likelihood three more before what should be a beat down by USC, I don’t think there’s any shot of a buyout from Notre Dame there. As much as I HATE Notre Dame, I think they go to a BCS next year because they only play one real contender (USC) a year.
IOWA – yes
Iowa will open up this year. Ferentz is getting mad bank…but Iowa’s not getting much for it. I think they drop to Penn State (unfortunately) and Minnesota to finish 6-6 on the season. Their last winning season was 2005 when they went 7-5. They have an amazing RB, but that’s not enough to save Kirk’s job on this side of the mountain that peaked in 2004.
ARIZONA – maybe
I think Stoops is a toss-up. They should replace him, but I think they give him another season. This is just a program with no direction.
AUBURN – no
I don’t think Tuberbville is leaving Auburn quite yet. Things are bad on offense, no, HORRIBLE on offense, which is destroying their solid defense by making them stay on the field too long. Tommy’s already started firing people around him to deflect. I don’t think the axe comes down this year – probably has next season to get that spread working or he’s gone.
RUTGERS – no
Schiano is safe at Rutgers despite a horrible year. I mean he did lose some people to the NFL…and more importantly he does get $1.5 a year through 2016. No way he gets bought out yet. No way he gets offered something better after this season. Oh, and he also turned down Michigan. MICHIGAN! He’s stuck there, for better or worse, for a while.
KANSAS STATE – yes
Despite beating us two seasons in a row, Ron Prince hasn’t done anything at K State and the program is stalling. At the same time, Gary Patterson is an alumnus and I’m sure they’d love to have him take over.
SOUTH CAROLINA – no
People can say whatever they want about Steve Spurrier leaving, but there’s no way this is his last year. It’s not even happening next year. He has a contract through 2012, and more importantly, after going 6-6 last year he’s probably going to get 8 wins this season. (I see them beating Arkansas and Clemson, but dropping to Florida). I think when the Fulmer chatter started people thought, hey, here’s another old guy not getting a BCS ring this season, let’s replace him." No way.
UCF – yes
UCF is having a horrible year sans Kevin Smith. More importantly, Ereck Plancher’s death was a tragedy that looks more like George O’Leary’s responsibility every day. (See the press conference the other night where a player said George was pushing Ereck before he collapsed)? On top of that both George and the university have been cryptic, cold, and haven’t handled this horrible time with any compassion or grace at all. I bet O’Leary’s the fall guy the more the lawyers circle and this is his last season.
So, the big question is, between the openings we know about now and a few more that will probably be added by season’s end, who do you think is at the top of every A.D.‘s list? (Excluding NFL imports because, well, I don’t follow the Sunday league). Off the top of my head I’m thinking…
MIKE LEACH
No disrespect to what he’s done at Tech, but this is the first year they hit their stride full force and I just don’t see them sustaining against Texas and OU season in and season out. Leach may be unconventional, but he’s not stupid. He knows that if he ever wants to get out of Lubbock to a bigger program, and one more befitting his pass-happy attack, this is the time. Washington would love to have him, and I think it’s a good fit for him. Tennessee wouldn’t be interested in his style.
MIKE GUNDY
People will call Mike about jumping to their program, but there’s no way he leaves. His Cowboys are rockin’, he’s a star alum, he’ll get a raise, Boone is STILL pumping in money. I’d be sad to see him go too…the Cowboys are a quality team, and the Big 12 South needs someone outside of OU to challenge us every year.
TODD GRAHAM
Todd has done an amazing job at Tulsa and there’s no way he stays there too much longer. He’s getting $1.1 a season now and is the second highest paid coach in C-USA after June Jones…making him a big fish in a little pond. If Leach leaves Tech I could see Todd Graham moving to Lubbock. If not, any of the mid-size schools would love to have him.
GARY PATTERSON
TCU is a great program and Gary deserves a bump. They always have outstanding defense and are always a BCS buster threat. Really good head coach from top to bottom. He played at Kansas State, so I could see him landing there or (wait for it) Tennessee. SEC boys love to play some defense. Am I crazy?
RANDY EDSALL
I personally don’t like Connecticut. Ok, that’s unfair. I just think they are always overrated and can’t live up to expectations. So, I’m sure he’ll wind up at Clemson. But in all seriousness, he played for Syracuse…maybe he makes the jump there. But, that would be an awkward in-conference leap when things are going as well as they could for him right now at Conn with a team that is ok despite their big injuries. This may be his best chance to make the jump, but I don’t know that he wants it.
TURNER GILL
Turner Gill’s done a great job turning around Buffalo. They are winning games, and the ones they are loosing (aside from Mizzou) they are going into OT or coming down to the last play. He built a great offense and really does a lot of good recruiting down in Texas. I wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves, but I really hope he gives that program another year. Really inspiring to see what he’s done. Probably gets Syracuse. But, Iowa would be smart to snag the ex-Husker now.
JERRY MOORE
Jerry Moore has been at Appalachian State F-O-R-E-V-E-R and he’s 70 years old. I don’t think he wants to leave at this point, but he probably gets a call about some of the Big East/ACC openings. Big money and a shot at a BCS run could tickle his fancy. (God, that sounded dirty).
WILL MUSCHAMP
There is no hotter D.C. in college football today. I think Will would do better for himself by staying another season, and I really hope he does, but even with his inexperience as a head coach he’s passionate and smart. People will inquire about him without a doubt. I think Clemson is more likely than Tennessee. Tennessee doesn’t have defensive woes right now, it’s the offense, and I think they want someone who can help them win right now. Will is great, but it’s a big jump to be a head coach…especially with the expectations at that school. Maybe they approach Will after a season or two of him growing as a D.C. or maybe even coaching a smaller team from the helm. That said, Clemson would kill to have him, and I think that has to be attractive to Will…big pay boost, living closer to his home, could dominate the ACC… God, I hope he doesn’t leave.
by KevinJ on Nov 4, 2008 5:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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