OU by a single point in USA Today Coaches Poll
With the Sooners likely equaling, if not surpassing, the Longhorns in the computers, Texas must be ahead of OU in the Harris poll to have a shot at holding onto #2 in the BCS.
Texas made up 41 points in the Coaches poll from last week to this week. This is a significant move.
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Texas behind in Harris
The dream is over.
Tech a first place vote. Are you fucking kidding me?
An open letter to Mike Leach
“Fuck You”
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by SuperBentley on Nov 30, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Not Yet
Texas gained points in the Coaches poll. We need to see the same gains in the Harris poll.
I think OU will be ahead in the computes but if we’re tied in the computers, then we need to just be ahead of OU by a few votes in the Harris to hold them off.
If OU is significantly ahead in the computers, then we need to be ahead by a lot in the Harris to make up the disadvantage.
--AW--
This means UT caught up a bit in the coaches' poll...
…wasn’t UT closer in the Harris than it was in the Coaches’ last week? So if UT also moves up in the Harris, maybe it will move ahead? However, if Sagarin is any indication, that still might not be enough to overcome computers. This is going to be CLOSE (obviously).
Any chance the Harris Voters are more susceptible to 45-35 than the coaches?
Weren’t we all under the impression that if we were going to gain anything in the polls, it would likely be with the coaches (who would seem to value head-to-head more) than whoever the morons are that vote in the Harris?
It’s looks like the writing is on the wall folks…
Go Mizzou! Ugh…
My hunch is that sportwriters are more susceptible than coaches
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I hope you're right
Although, I don’t think many sportswriters vote in the Harris…
I hope they are more succeptible to media influence
Since, unlike coaches, they may have more time to watch games and pre-game shows.
That's exactly what I'm thinking
Plus far fewer writers will have agendas (I’m looking at you, Pirate Boy) that skew poll results.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I would have to agree..
I am also willing to bet that many Harris voters didn’t even know that their votes would determine the Big 12 South Champion last week. They should obviously know the stakes now and hopefully they re-evaluated their ballots.
Too bad this isn't public
I would love to see who voted for Tech at 1. And OU’s 2 number 1s. But, this does show that it is over. It just makes me sick that of all teams, it is going to be OU pulling this shit. Especially with such a classless school, classless program, and classless coach.
by Texas Our Texas on Nov 30, 2008 11:25 AM CST reply actions
F the voters.
How the hell does Florida, OU, and Tech all get first place votes and we don’t get a one. Screw them all. I’m about ready to want to boycott our bowl.
Well we know one thing for sure
Mack didn’t give one to Texas to try and sabotage it. If Texas had gotten a first place vote then fingers would be pointing to him right now.
Position or Points?
I am angry that one frickin point kept us behind OU, but is it position that counts or is it points?
Which meand, for all practical purposes, we tied OU in the coaches
If we make up similar ground with the Harris, I think we’re through to KC.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
sorry but by this logic dont we lose?
behind in Coaches, behind in Harris, tied/behind in computers?
The BCS formula is by points, not rank
So there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between being one vote ahead and one vote being OU in the coaches so long as the Harris and computers don’t result in an absolute tie.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Well that is it. It has been a great season. Fiesta bowl here we come.
by girlslikefootball2 on Nov 30, 2008 11:27 AM CST reply actions
trying a little reverse psychology
hoping that the opposite of what you say happens haha, been there
Scenarios
Ok, so if the computers are a wash (unlikely) texas needs a 2 point lead in the Harris.
If the computers are a .01 OU lead (likely) texas needs a 20 point lead in the Harris.
If the computers are a .02 OU lead (unlikely) Texas needs a 40 point lead in the Harris.
No, not yet
Computer advantage will dictate how much Texas needs to be ahead by in the Harris poll.
See JohnsonUT post above.
--AW--
No!!!
Just like it wouldn’t be over for OU if we were ahead of them by one point in the coaches.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
I think this is good news
We had more ground to make up in the coaches, and I thought they would be less likely to swing their votes our way.
We made up all the ground we needed to, or could have expected to, with the coaches. Consider this an absolute tie rather than a #2 vs. #3.
Actually
If I’m a Texas fan, I feel better about my chances now than I did 30 minutes ago. I think you made up a lot of ground.
This is ok news
If Texas had not made up ground in the Coaches poll, then we would be done.
Now, that we have, there is a chance. The computers need to be close to a wash and we need to see the same surge in the Harris poll that we just saw in the Coaches.
Yes, there is a chance.
--AW--
I live a pathetic life
I care 10 times as much about this vote than I care about the presidential election
you and me both, i haven't done any schoolwork this weekend.
putting off a couple of projects..if i wait it out and we don’t go i might cry.
Don't forget the AP
…making up similar ground in the AP would give us a rather large edge over OU, opening up the split championship scenario more than I would have thought when I went to bed.
that looked better before Oregon State's implosion
. . last night. It’s one thing to beat up on USC. It’s quite another to beat up on Utah or Ohio State.
another thing entirely to lose to USC
You really think we would “beat up” on them?
by andy_wooster on Nov 30, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
No one's saying we WOULD beat up USC
Just that, if we did beat up USC, that would be a hell of a lot more impressive in the split championship scenario than would beating up Utah or OSU.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
That's why I said "split championship scenario"
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but the AP national championship is like winning an MTV movie award instead of an Oscar: almost zero legitimacy, and barely noticed. I wouldn’t tout Texas as national champions if they were to finish first in the AP voting, just as I don’t say USC had a share of the title a few years back.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Oh well...
the Fiesta Bowl is a pretty nice consolation prize, especially considering that we were projected to go to the Cotton Bowl at the beginning of the year
AP Poll
OU ahead by four points
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/ap/
Last Week's
In my constant refreshing I am making many mistakes. This is last week’s poll with the week’s records.
do you suffer.....
from premature information???
by future_longhorn_dad on Nov 30, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
doesnt matter
the AP only determines a mythical champion at the end of the season, no effect on the BCS
Who cares? Not only was that last week’s poll, it was also an AP poll, which means zero as far as the national championship goes.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Uh, Why the Pessimism? This is Fantastic....
By my logic…. We’ll still have a “smaller lead” in the computers, so if USA today is tied, then it would come down to the differential between harris and computers….
If we pick up the same percentage of votes in the Harris...
…my off the cuff calculation has us up by AT LEAST 40 in the Harris.
is there a chance of that happening
My hope is that Harris voters have more time on their hands than the coaches and read all of the stuff in our favor. Is there a chance of being up by 40?
Absolutely
Remember that there are far more voters in the Harris, so up by 40 in the Harris isn’t as impressive as up by 40 in the coaches. It’s very obtainable.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
And we're supposed to be able to
concentrate on hoops at 2:00PM while awaiting the Harris? I would like a new stomach lining, por favor.
Can there be a BCS tie?
How many decimal points does it go down to? And what would be the tiebreaker for that? :)
Great news!
If we gain in Harris poll as much as we did in the coach’s poll, we are in!
In Mack Brown We Trust!
From a guy on another board
Alright, final analysis for the day:
If OU is ahead .01 in the computers than Texas needs to pick up proportionally less votes in the Harris poll than they did in the coaches.
If OU is ahead .02 in the computers than Texas needs to pick up slightly more votes than we did in the coaches poll.
If OU has a .03 lead in the computers there is a 100% chance StoOgE will be crying.
If OU has a .01 lead that means that Texas stays ahead of OU in the Wolfe and OU does not jump Bama in the billingsly. I have run simulators that show Texas staying ahead of OU in the Wolfe. Billingsly is somewhat of a crapshoot, but my math shows Bama holding them off (really though, this is a cointoss).
If OU has a .01 computer lead than I really like Texas chances. If OU has a .02 computer lead I really like OU’s chances.
Things to look for: If Texas makes a big jump in the Harris polls 81 points or a 60 point Texas lead the chances that Texas is ahead of OU are around 80. If Texas lead is 32 points in the Harris (53 point gain) than UT’s chances are around 50 of staying ahead.
Harris Poll
Is this the site you guys are refreshing over and over? I don’t want to be refreshing the wrong site.
Fuck you, Leach
Who else gives Tech a #1 vote. Hey Tech beat two division II schools, squeaked out a home win in the last second against Texas, got destroyed by OU and had to rally from behind to beat Baylo at homer. BAYLOR. Yup that screams #1 team in the country to me.
Harris Poll
There are 114 voters.
Last week, OU led Texas 2,598 to 2,577, down by 21 votes.
We definitely need to be ahead in Harris but we don’t know by how much. It all depends on how the computers break.
--AW--
Just as much as Nebraska's 57-yard FG to beat CU
There will be TONS of examples like that for whoever doesn’t get through.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
will..
the Arkansas win over LSU help us much?
by vy til i die on Nov 30, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
pardon me
but didn’t you play mizzou and kansas? How does that game make a bit of difference?
I hate you BCS for
making me sweat over this… and to the m’fer who gave Tech a #1 vote. WTF? As if they werent lucky enough in their game yesterday…RU F’N KIDDING ME!
Bowl Projections for both situations
If we win the south
NCG- Texas/OU winner vs. Alabama/Florida winner
Rose- USC vs. Penn State
Sugar- Alabama/Florida loser vs. Utah
Fiesta- Texas/OU loser vs. Ohio State
Orange- Cincinatti vs. BC/VT winner
Utah and the Sugar
I thought that Utah going to the Sugar was based upon the Fiesta’s first gobbling up an available USC team.
Now that that’s off the boards, don’t you think that the Fiesta would rather grab a higher-ranked, undefeated Utah team than a two-loss Ohio State team that’s traveled to the Fiesta (or the BSC championship game in Glendale) four of the past six seasons?
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
That’s true, but only if USC does not win the Pac-10. For that to happen, UCLA would have to beat USC next Saturday.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
If I understand it correctly...
Whichever bowl loses the #1 team picks first, which in this case is probably the Sugar.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Harris Poll
Are these the Harris Poll voters?
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/newsletters/bcsnews/BCS_Sept_17_2008.pdf
sagarin
OU #1, Texas #2…. by default OU’s score will get thrown out, or at least one of their #1 scores (if there are more) will get tossed.
I’m pretty sure some of those voters thought that Stoops, was pretty classless with that game last night. Running up the score in the last couple minutes, that shit was pretty Bush league. Only a assclown twot would do something like that!
I doubt it
He was running the ball. Many coaches do that nowadays instead of taking a knee.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
running the ball...
with all of his starters in and a 13pt lead with 30 sec left on the clock = no class BS. As we all know Mack would have put in Chiles and had him hand off to CJ on an inside blast or have him take a knee and called it game over…especially after osu handed them the game with turnovers and piss poor pass coverage…OMFG!
brown put chiles in with 11 minutes left
The only problem I had was that Sherrod harris didn’t get any pt
yes and i'm glad he did that...
it shows we have class and respect for our opponent [even it it was aTm :-’) ]
Why is everyone so upset about this?
This is excellent news. Coaches are notoriously more inertia-prone than non-coaches. And we were a lot closer in the Harris Poll than we were in the Coaches poll. Add that to the fact that we were so far ahead of OU in the computers going into this week that I think the best they can do is make the computers just about even and I think this is a nailbiter. If we make the same proportional gain in the Harris poll as we did in the Coaches poll, we will be ahead of OU in the Harris and likely be ahead in the BCS as welll.
I'm not upset either
this bodes well, but the computers is what folks are worried about
Look at the votes compared to last week...
OU last week= 1412
OU this week= 1397
(Lost 15 votes despite road win against #12 team)
Texas last week= 1370
Texas this week= 1396
(Gained 26 votes after A&M beatdown)
I'm dyin' here.
Is there really 3-5 more hours till the BCS poll comes out?? Doesn’t the AP poll usually make it out around 12:00pm CST?
!F’ck OU!
and one of them went to Texas Tech
The problem with extrapolating the coaches poll is that any coaching rivalry (that we know or don’t know about) could have a pretty big effect. Were Texas or OU left off any ballots or below say 7 in the polls? We’ll never know.
Turncoat
The identity of Harris Poll voters can be found on wikipedia’s site for the Harris Poll.
Turncoat
Harris Poll has OU at 2,598 and UT at 2,577
STOP POSTING LAST WEEK'S POLLS
Look before you post! Some of us might have heart conditions, you know.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe it's a typo in the first poll
It’s not in the SI poll anymore
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
I think the 1st place vote
was someone looking at last weeks numbers
by future_longhorn_dad on Nov 30, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Lets say
that Texas does make it to the Big XII Championship game. Won’t they be penalized hard in the computers for beating Mizzou twice, leaving Mizzou possibly unranked? Would that allow OU to jump us big in the comps and possibly into the MNC?
Jumping ahead of yourself...
However, I am sure that the human polls would vote Tx #2 in that case
Strength of schedule is a factor, but not THAT big a factor. Beating a team that, following such a loss, would STILL be a borderline-ranked team would still be a net positive in the final BCS standings.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
If we beat Mizzou
the human voters will give us even more points. If we WON the Big 12, why would voters put OU over UT? It wouldn’t even matter what the computers say. The SOS factor wouldn’t be the difference.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
no. if we're 12-1 we'll have all the voters in both harris and coaches.
no way we get jumped 12-1 with a conf title.
it is so sad that this is the system we as fans, and the players as well have to rely on,
for both Oklahoma and Texas Tech as well. It really is sad.
F it, let Missouri beat OU for the Big 12
and then we’re in
Not happening...
The only way for TX is through the Big 12 Championship game
did you see Mizzou's defense yesterday?
granted, OU didn’t have much of a D yesterday either
by cheevyjames on Nov 30, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
you may be right
but if the weather is that sh*tty anything can happen.
true
and it will be at Arrowhead again, right? Currently the weather for Saturday in KC looks to be sunny with only a 10% chance of precip, and no wet stuff during the week.
by cheevyjames on Nov 30, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Especially if Maclin’s at full strength, which he wasn’t for much of the KU game.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Are we in.. What are these polls?
Check these polls.. They have the latest coaches poll and the harris and the BCS..
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/poll?poll=BCS
It means there's almost no chance at a split championship
A narrow 8-point edge couldn’t be held, I think.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
It's also a BAD sign for the Harris
A small fewer number of sportswriters made the switch than did coaches. Didn’t see that one coming.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
wow
3 undefeated non-BCS teams in the top 12, plus 10-2 TCU
AP Poll
1. Alabama (62) 12-0 1,620
2. Florida (3) 11-1 1,516
3. Texas 11-1 1,488
4. Oklahoma 11-1 1,480
5. USC 10-1 1,355
6. Penn State 11-1 1,257
7. Utah 12-0 1,216
8. Texas Tech 11-1 1,197
9. Boise State 12-0 1,103
10. Ohio State 10-2 1,069
11. TCU 10-2 885
12. Ball State 12-0 834
13. Cincinnati 10-2 824
14. Oklahoma State 9-3 798
15. Georgia Tech 8-3 708
16. Oregon 9-3 630
17. Georgia 9-3 495
18. Boston College 9-3 482
19. Missouri 9-3 479
20. Brigham Young 10-2 385
21. Michigan State 9-3 312
22. Mississippi 8-4 280
23. Pittsburgh 8-3 241
24. Northwestern 9-3 190
25. Oregon State 8-4 122
Others Receiving Votes
Iowa 66, Virginia Tech 47, Tulsa 13, Florida State 12, California 7, West Virginia 4, Rice 3, Connecticut 3, Nebraska 3, North Carolina 1.
Dropped From Rankings
Florida State 23.
Complete Rankings
by OU Always Sucks on Nov 30, 2008 12:14 PM CST reply actions
Just gained 8 pts from last week?
Not looking good…
and Okie only lost 4 points
Let’s hope it’s not a good indicator…
Sorry
We’ll call it a typo as opposed to not being able to subtract…
Made up 6 from last week
Last week:
3. Oklahoma 10-1 1,486
4. Texas 10-1 1,482
by OU Always Sucks on Nov 30, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
AP Result
Moving up in the AP confirms the trend seen in the Coaches poll. The voters had a week to think about it and are reorganizing their ballots. I expect a bump in the Harris. Good chance it could be enough…..
hopefully harris voters realize how important their votes are…
AP voters just check their ballots and realize it won’t mean much..
hopefully..
With these kinds of votes
the AP is usually a week or so ahead of the coaches. The AP poll is usually pretty good at looking at the info Sat night and putting out a logical poll on Sunday, whereas the coaches usually need the extra week (of AP voters convincing them on TV and in print) before they settle up to about where the AP poll is. My guess is the Harris poll works more like the Coaches’ poll, and will have a delta somewhere between the AP and Coaches’ deltas. Which, again, will make the separation between 2 and 3 razor thin.
We just need to write a computer virus
…that shaves off points from rounding numbers, and adds those fractional points to Texas’ total.
You have considered this haven't you?
by Hookem4life84 on Nov 30, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, hacking into Sagarin's computer as we speak...
…looks like he’s about to break his own best time in Minesweeper.
but then misplace the decimal and all of the sudden it becomes obvious...
what we did, so we try to secretly return the points, but an abused and neglected employee burns the building down so no one ever knows anyway?
damn it feels good to be a gangster.
by longhornscardinals on Nov 30, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
thats the first thing i thought of as well
(Office Space people)
Tie in BCS
With how close all of the numbers are coming up, what happens if the dice happen to roll the right way for a BCS tie?
Next Tiebreaker...
The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative
Aren’t FCS games exempted?
BCS Expert Jerry Palm says....
by his computer models, factoring in the Coaches Poll results so far that TEXAS NEEDS TO BE UP BY 31 VOTES IN THE HARRIS POLL to go to Kansas City
where are the panels of experts with laptops...
and touchscreen maps of voters in the united states to track all of this? where is anderson cooper?!
by longhornscardinals on Nov 30, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously,
this is the best news story of the year, why are we not getting national news coverage, BREAKING NEWS, we have an update on the harris poll, with the exclusive is….
by future_longhorn_dad on Nov 30, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Keep in mind...
…that 31 is a rough estimate — don’t celebrate too hard if we’re up by 32, or despair quite yet if it’s 30.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
AP votes
http://pollspeak.com/pollstalker/pollstalker.php?s=5&p=9&t1=75&v=33&w=14&r=T – OU’s votes
http://pollspeak.com/pollstalker/pollstalker.php?r=T&s=5&p=9&w=14&t1=94&t2=0&v=0 – UT’s votes
Apparently quite a few AP voters think Texas and OU are 4th or worse.
Who is this Hunt guy...
we need to take this guy out, his logic must be for his beavers, sinse Penn state blanked Oregon State and then also barely beat Ohio state, then all big 10 teams should be above us
by future_longhorn_dad on Nov 30, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Holy Jesus...
Can you people please stop posting results from last week (or previous weeks). You’re not discovering a new element of the periodic table, and you’re not breaking any news, Dan Rather. Jesus! Just. Stop.
"There are three kinds of people in this world: those who are good at math, and those who aren't..."
--GA Horn--
Take a breath GA
But you are right…… Seriously stop it!
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
Sorry...you're right.
Hey guys…guess what?!? I just heard that Vince ran it in with 19 seconds left to beat USC…comments?
"There are three kinds of people in this world: those who are good at math, and those who aren't..."
--GA Horn--
we landed on the moon!
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From Dallas, TX...
President Kennedy…Dead.
"There are three kinds of people in this world: those who are good at math, and those who aren't..."
--GA Horn--
will muschamp to replace mack brown???? links?
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Fire discovered in East African cave dwelling!
Unfortunately, smoke inhalation also discovered ten minutes later.
Going through the list of Harris Poll voters
The fate of our season is decided by:
Trev Alberts. Does anything think this guy remembers anything before the last cheeseburger he ate?
Someone named “J.J. Joe”
Allen Pinkett
Thurman Thomas
Al Del Greco… THE KICKER
And my very favorite:
Jackie Sherrill
JJ Joe? The former Baylor QB??
"There are three kinds of people in this world: those who are good at math, and those who aren't..."
--GA Horn--
Instead of hitting refresh over and over
Read Schlabach’s latest article here.
We got a lot of bad breaks....
If Tech loses, we are in. If USC or Florida, or Alabama don’t dominate, maybe there is enough seperation at the top for us to move. Cincy and TCU both moved up in the polls making OK wins look better. Mizzou lost. OK played in the last game before the vote for 2 strait weeks. If OK State makes just 1 stop in the 2nd half, then OU looks totally beatable. If, If, IF….
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
I said it last night, I'll say it again
I’m going to be super angry if Mizzou’s choke costs us a Big 12 title berth. I might be so mad that I actually cheer for OU to destroy Chase Daniel.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 30, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions
No, no matter what...
OU needs to go down, either in the big 12 or the MNC
They will embarrass themselves in the Title game if they make it that far.
Choking like they always do…
by HornPossessed on Nov 30, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
if this is how i feel now...
i can’t even imagine auburn’s angst in ’04…
by longhornscardinals on Nov 30, 2008 12:41 PM CST reply actions
This is more like FSU-Miami in 2000
Miami beat FSU, both finished 10-1, Miami was ahead in the AP and the coaches, and FSU still went.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
BCS Guru
Texas gets early good news, and should stay ahead in the computers (barely). He believes the Coach’s poll improvement will offset any gains OU made in the computers.
(This guy is usually very accurate)
Ya hes reasonable
but also thinks OU has the “hotter” team
SoonerFans
Shut down to unregistered users…
Dirty Sooner Bastards
If anyone is particularly sadistic...
…once the Harris comes out, I’d be interested to know whether we would have fared better or worse if the AP were still counted instead of the Harris.
It’s possible that the controversy that helped get us into the Rose Bowl in 2004 might come back and bite us in the ass four years later, since it was after that Texas-Cal battle that the AP withdrew from the formula.
Does anyone
think that the one number one vote for Utah last week could go to Oklahoma and come back to hurt us?
There is no greater privilege than supporting the Burnt Orange Bevo Boys...and Girls...
As long as the gap doesn't widen in the Harris,
Texas needs to its computer average to be .009 higher that ou’s. Even with the OSU game last night, Texas’s SOS might be enough to keep the landthieves at bay.
Why should Mizzou's defeat hurt us?
I don’t get it.. I know we beat Mizzou, but we also beat Kansas, and there the win was in Kansas..
I would think that Kansas beating Mizzou actually helps us since we beat them on the road.. But I guess it hels OU as well
yeah...
Kansas winning or losing to Mizzou helps/hurts Texas and Oklahoma equally, but Mizzou losing to Kansas hurts Texas ONLY.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
By this standard, Nebraska-CU hurt us more
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
only because...
OU beat Nebraska and we beat CU…so yeah, it does hurt, but not more since some computers rankings dont give us a bonus for beating a lower ranked MU due to the loss.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Because...
The models value highly-ranked teams more than middle-ranked teams. This is a bit of a generalization, but It is better for a team to have defeated one high-ranked team than several middle-ranked team. So any time a team that was previously highly-ranked, that only we played, is defeated, we suffer.
So...
…in general, beating two 10-2 and two 2-10 teams is ultimately better with the computers than beating four 6-6 teams?
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Posted this on another fanpost, but thought I'd add some more turmoil...
Well here’s some realistically unrealistic hope
In the Harris poll, if Texas can pick up 23 points and Oklahoma subsequently drop 18 points, then…..
Texas would have 2600 and Oklahoma would have 2580 pts in the Harris Interactive (not far fetched considering the swing in the coaches poll), then:
Texas can squeek out a win if we tie Oklahoma in the computer rankings. We have no shot of beating them if they are even 1 point higher in the computers than us, unless our Harris increases to 2610 or 2620, here are the numbers
Assuming Texas 2600 Oklahoma 2580 in Harris Interactive:
Texas-.9123
Oklahoma-.9053
Numbers could look like this:
Harris Coaches CPU BCS
Texas – .9123 .9154 .930 .9192
.940 .9226
.950 .9259
.960 .9292
Oklahoma .9053 .9161 .940 .9205
.950 .9238
.960 .9271
.970 .9305
If we pick up 2610 or 2620 and Oklahoma drops to 2580, our chances allow us to fall behind Oklahoma by ONLY 1 point in the Computer Avgs.
Anybody else feel even a little better? Me neither.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 1:06 PM CST reply actions
So what are the odds of us going to the big 12 championship?
Right now it seems to be looking better than expected.
45-35
by my estimation...
we rely heavily upon leading in the Harris poll by 20 points. Anything other than that, and its too close. Even then its a coin toss since I think the computers will jump Oklahoma ahead of us. I think we can only hope to tie or be down by .010
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
thats not necessarily breaking news though...
anybody want to post last weeks Harris Poll standings yet? Its been 20 mins.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
50% chance.
I dunno, you want a number? If OU gets ahead of us by more than .01 in the computers (a one point advantage in one poll) then we’re almost certainly screwed. If we tie, we need two points in the Harris. It’s basically completely up in the air.
and even though it is 50/50
it is still better than I had anticipated. After the 20 point victory by OU last night, I though we were done.
45-35
I did too.
It definitely didn’t seem to bode well for us.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Does anyone have any confirmed computer rankings out as of right now?
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
Believe that Sagarin is only one published as of now
by jeffinhouston on Nov 30, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
That’s not good, but hopefully the other computers won’t penalize us as much for Mizzou’s loss. They’ve been on our side all year long, and it would suck to see us lose that advantage the one week it actually matters.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
the best part of last night was stoops actually bringing up TT and how they beat them and we lost....huh???????????????? "but coach, what about UT beating you head to head?"---well, we are a different football team now...what an asshat.
by Mulliganville on Nov 30, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I think the best part was Mack's interview during the game...
“These are 2 great teams, and we know, we beat ’em both.”
i know ap doesnt really count for anything
except for a mythical national champion at the end of the year (possibly a split title with oklahoma if this all doesnt work out)
but did anyone notice that we hopped oklahoma by eight points to #3.
Taylor
Texas Fan For Life!
by texaslonghornfan on Nov 30, 2008 1:27 PM CST reply actions
What would you rather have?
A MNC and no Heisman for Colt or a Fiesta and Colt wins Heisman.
Is this a serious question??? .nt
Watch out, I bite.
by EddieTheAlbinoSquirrel on Nov 30, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
I dont think
even Colt would want this, so really, how can we as fans want this? MNC or bust!
There is no greater privilege than supporting the Burnt Orange Bevo Boys...and Girls...
agreed.. they probably go hand in hand though…
agreed.. they probably go hand in hand though…unless tebow somehow wins it as people split votes for bradford and colt…………………
agreed.. they probably go hand in hand though…unless tebow somehow wins it as people split votes for bradford and colt…………………i don’t think i could handle him giving a sermon at the podium again
That was
amazing, I thought it was on purpose and thought it ended up kinda cool…
I do agree though. I think if Texas somehow finds a way into the CCG, Colt puts up the numbers to move well past Bradford, but it might come down to how Tebow does against the “monster” Alabama D….
There is no greater privilege than supporting the Burnt Orange Bevo Boys...and Girls...
In 2004 Auburn was undefeated
and passed over in favor of Oklahoma, who got blown off the field by USC.
55-19, to be exact.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Slap.
The latest BCS shitstorm has absolutely brought out the very worst in many of us. I find myself, for the first time, trolling, over to DTN and CCM to state UT’s case. I find myself taking cheap shots at some of their posters who ran over here after the Tech game to gloat. My hatred for all things Harrell and Stoops have overwhelmed my thoughts for the last 7 days. I can’t take it anymore and I can’t wait for it to all be over. I should be studying for law school finals, or at church, not refreshing the USA Today coaches poll for 20 minutes straight on Sunday morning.
Fellas, whatever happens here today, I am confident that BON will return to a place of great football discussion and logical reasoning. Remember, cooler heads will prevail…
Word
I having a hard time studying for my exam as well.. But exams be damned.. I love Texas and my emotions are running high right now.. And to go with what you said, I hate big game bob..
I have a 12 page paper due tomorrow at 9 am for a book I haven't read.
But I’m still 100% focused on the polls.
I have issues.
by HornPossessed on Nov 30, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'm also putting off homework, a paper and a powerpoint that I need to create to present in a class.
It’s all for the burnt orange. Hook ’Em!
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you
sitting here at work, I find myself refreshing 8 different tabs in IE to see if things have changed. I have since closed those tabs and will let my BP rest for a while and only pay attention here. No matter what happens, I have all the faith in the world that Texas will play in a meaningful game. Whether that is the MNC or Fiesta, I think its a win considering before the season 9-3 looked good to most of us and 10-2 would have been a magical season.
Hook ’Em
There is no greater privilege than supporting the Burnt Orange Bevo Boys...and Girls...
Does anyone think that the Heisman and CCG are tied together?
In other words – UT and McCoy or OU and Bradford?
I think so
I think that the team that goes on to play for the conference title will have its qb win the heisman
i dont think so...mccoy has zero weaponry and essentially carried his team to the "pinnacle" this season.
by Mulliganville on Nov 30, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you
I think the only way McCoy can lose the heisman would be for a simms melt down in the Big 12 CG.
45-35
Computer ratings scan:
Sagarin – OU was behind UT by a very thin margin in the Sagarin ratings last week, and is now ahead by a razor-thin margin, no? This is a small gain for OU, but not enough to make a measurable difference on its own.
Anderson – Texas was #3 and OU #4 in the Anderson computer, with a margin that was much bigger than the one separating Texas and #1 Alabama or Texas and #2 Utah. I think Texas eats into the Utah points to move up to #2 on that computer, while OU will have to absorb a little bit of Florida’s gains. I do believe UT will be #2 while OU will be either #3 or a very, very close #4.
Billingsley – OU was already #2, and I doubt they gain much on the Alabama #1 status. Texas was already #3, with a fairly small margin. With a fairly established ceiling for OU, I don’t think we’ll see much of a change for either of these teams, but if there is one, it would be a small gain for OU.
Colley – UT was #1, and OU #5. OU and Florida will probably pass Utah, putting them at a very close #3 and #4 (3a and 3b, if you will). Alabama’s win over Auburn likely won’t gain much, and while the Mizzou loss hurts UT relative to both OU and Bama, the Georgia loss hurts Florida and the LSU loss hurts Bama. I think UT is #1, Bama is a very close #2, and then there’s a medium margin until you see OU, UF, and Utah.
Massey – the future SOS indicates that OU’s SOS will not surpass UT’s because of this week’s game. That’s promising, since UT was behind OU by a very thin margin last week. Tech and Bama aren’t likely to gain on OU or UT, making this a fairly inert, net-zero situation IMO.
Wolfe – OU will probably pass TT, since the margin between #3 Tech and #4 OU was .001 last week. The question is by how much, and I have no idea. I don’t think Texas gains much, if at all, on Alabama, and OU probably closes the gap a little.
I think this all looks fairly positive for Texas, considering the results of the coaches’ poll. In other words: I’ve posted nothing new or insightful here, and we’re still biting our nails for the results of the Harris.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 1:47 PM CST reply actions
Anyone have a clue when the Harris might be released?
Or do you remember approx. what time they were released in the previous weeks?
Hypothetical for ou and florida fans
If I am Alabama and I lose by 10 to Florida next week on a neutral field, why shouldn’t I still be ranked ahead of Florida? They lost to Ole Miss at home, not only did I not lose another game, but won convincingly in many of them. I am sure that none of them would agree with keeping me above Florida, but I would like them to rationalize their decision to move Florida ahead me while at the same time moving ou ahead of Texas.
by kellen on Nov 30, 2008 1:57 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I am sorry, but you are utilizing logic, and that is a nono in college football polling...sarcasm off. Unfortunately, all they care about is WHEN you lose, not to whom or by how much. Morons.
by Mulliganville on Nov 30, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
In my opinion
Alabama has not been tested like Texas or OU, their big wins were over Georgia and LSU who obviously are overrated. I think most people want to see how they stack up with a legit top 5 team. I think many voters have their doubts about Alabama, and if they were to lose to Florida those doubts would become justified. PB pointed out that their resume is not much different than Utah’s. Is if fair? Probably not, but unlike many teams who have been screwed in the past, atleast they a shot to prove they belong.
by Hookem4life84 on Nov 30, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Florida would have the SEC title and a head to head win
So why should Bama get the nod over them? Their only argument would be if Texas or OU lost to Mizzou that they have just as much of a right to be in the MNC as the Big XII south team that didn’t go to its conference championship.
One can only hope
1. UT vs OU for Big XII championship; Mizzou forfeits spot
2. Agreed coin flip for Big XII south rep in title game
3. He’s stepping down as OU head coach after season
4. He didn’t realize he’s such a douche. He’s sorry.
5. He’s running off with Leach
At this point
I don’t think it can mean much, it’s not like he has BCS polls in his hand already. I’m sure it’s either (a) to bitch about the BCS or (b) to thank Mike Leach and other fellow coaches for screwing Texas. Either way is going to act like a pompous prick.
by Hookem4life84 on Nov 30, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Mizzou Coaches Must Love This...
If you need any locker room material. The ASSUMPTION is that Texas or Ou beats Mizzou to get to the BCS title game. Either way, Stoops / Mack needs to make sure that they remind the media / kids about the need to win an additional game before drawing up schemes to stop Tebow / Coffee
Seriously. What could this be about?
He’s messing with our minds! I can’t take this anymore!!!!
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 30, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
for the same reason OU is ahead of Texas
Voters suffer from bad memories
Because these voters have watched the games.
That’s not meant as snark—Florida comes off REALLY well when you watch them in person, and less so when you look at the fact that the teams they wallop aren’t really that great to begin with.
Voters watched the games
Except of course, that Ole Miss game. They ignored it. Florida is getting a total mulligan on that game, while we don’t get a mulligan on a last second loss on the road at night against a top 10 team.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
You have to remember that the "watched the game" voters
are likely using the “that team LOOKS really awesome” metric, which, you have to be honest, is the one “argument” that really favors Oklahoma (and Florida). This “argument” has a way of making voters forget things like losses. It’s not that they aren’t giving you the mulligan they’re giving Oklahoma and Florida, it’s that everything you’ve done other than your loss hasn’t looke pretty enough for them.
I agree that it’s stupid, but it’s there.
Just checked my TV Guide...
And this game on FOX is over at 3:00.
With no second game today.
We will know in just over an hour whether or not our beloved Longhorns are headed to KC next Saturday or not.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
Not on FOX.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
That is a Fox game.
But it’s market-dependent. CBS has the double-header today, but some markets didn’t get the early game on Fox.
I gotcha.
I’m in Dallas, and my computer’s stuff shows that we’re done at 3:00, with the post-game show (where they announce the BCS standings) being shown from 3:00-3:30.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Sagarin
How dumb is this poll? The new poll has OU ahead of Texas, and Ga ahead of Ga Tech. It shows that UT has a tougher schedule (12 vs 17). Ga Tech beat Ga AT Ga. How does that make any sense at all?
SoS is messed up sometimes.
Georgia lost all of their tough games. I think you should have a SoS(wins) and SoS(losses). Georgia hasn’t beaten many tough teams, but they sure have lost to some. That doesn’t make them better than a team that beat them head-to-head with the same record.
Georgia Tech is actually ranked ahead of Georgia in the Elo Chess
by six spots which is the rating that counts toward the BCS component.
So what? A tough schedule means nothing if you lose all your tough games. The only highly ranked opponents they played: Bama and FL. Both embarassed them. Who are they getting credit for beating? 5-6 ASU?
Top to bottom, the ACC was much harder to play in than the SEC this year. It’s been proven on the field (I know that doesn’t seem to matter). Yes, Bama and Fl would beat the top 2 of the ACC, but if you line the other 10 up, the ACC would win about 9 of those games. It’s been proven ON THE FIELD.
Hmm. I’d heard a high of 45, low of 35.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hilarious. nt whills
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
P.S. 45-35
Brad Edwards update on ESPN.com...
Nothing new really. Harris expected out at approx. 3 PM CDT.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=roadtobcs/0807a
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
He says that we need 31 points in the Harris if OU has a .01 computer lead.
And confirmed, the standings are being released in the FOX post-game show around 3:20 PM (CDT).
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
.01 actually means 0.1
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I suck at clarifying.
He says we need to lead OU by 31 points in the Harris if they have a 0.1 lead in the computers. I think that does it.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
so with the harris out
we should be able to figure out if we are going to the conference championship game right?
45-35
Yes. it should be released at the top of the hour.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
BCS site says
It will be announced between 3:00-3:30 central
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
P.S. 45-35
Yep, watch FOX.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Ughhhh....
Good thing I’m young and healthy, i probably would have died from a heart attack already otherwise.
Good luck.
If they offer you summer school, take it.
Unless you are out of state...
I would take UT no matter what. Even if SMU gives you a ton of money, you’ll probably be paying about the same for UT.
Thinking about why OU lost votes
Voters saw that they played zero defense last night. So you imagine that Florida will most likely beat Alabama so do you want a MNC that features a solid Florida on both sides of the ball versus an OU that just gave up 41 to Ok State even though they scored 20 more on them on the road or do you want Texas that doesn’t put up as many points but is playing better defense with Colt scrambling around making insane passes? You look back at the RRS and see that Texas held a strong OU offense to 35, fewer than any other team that played OU except for TCU that also held them to that many, and put 45 up on their supposedly great defense.
I think voters are switching based on the RRS and I really thought OU would gain a lot of ground. Now just to hope that we get a lot more voters that saw OU’s almost nonexistent defense last night and goes with Texas.
It can't end fast enough...
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
DeLoss Dodds on halftime of Rice game
says he “is hearing bits and pieces of what’s going on.” “They’re supposed to be calling us, I have my cell phone.” Nothing yet.
Then went on to discuss Barnes/hoops.
BCS and Stoops
Why is Stoops having a press conferences at 4:00 on ESPNN? This does not look good for us. Also, Brent Edwards, BCS analyst on ESPN projects OU at #2, ahead of UT. CRAP!
Skins-Giants commentators...
“we’ve been told there have been big changes in the BCS standings”
by longhornscardinals on Nov 30, 2008 2:55 PM CST reply actions
Argh...
I have the Skins-Giants game on. They just teased the BCS rankings, and they said “we are told there are big changes.”
Not good.
The Fox commentator said “We are told there are big changes in the BCS standings” and the other commentator said “Most people down in Texas are going to be very upset”
Anyone hear that comment on the Giants/'Skins game just now?
One of the commentators said a lot of ppl in TX are going to upset…WTF
Dang.
I hope they are just hyping it, but the announcers of the Skins-Gmen game said the BCS rankings will come out after the game and there are “big changes”
Only up 6 in the Harris.
OU is headed to KC most likely.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=roadtobcs/0807a
GOD. DAMNIT.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
Harris Poll
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/newsletters/bcsnews/BCS_Nov_30_2008.pdf
New Harris Poll out. Texas at 3
No, not enough.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
We're actually slightly up in the human polls
If the computers tie, we go.
If OU is up in the computers, they go.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Hint:
We didn’t tie.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
is it a given...
that OU is ahead in the computers?
by longhornscardinals on Nov 30, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck
OU Last week: 2598
OU this week: 2579
(Moves down 19 points)
Texas Last Week: 2577
Texas this week: 2575
(Texas down 2 points)
We made up 17 points in the Harris and 41 in the Coaches poll. What do we need from the computers?
I'm wrong, OU had 2569.
They went down 29 points.
So, we made up 27 points in the Harris and 41 in the Coaches Poll.
Why would they have said the people in Texas were going to be upset then?
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
As someone said above, that could have been Moose just speculating
I know I’m grasping for straws…
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
context dude,
he said “sounds ominous for my longhorns, and that could make for a lot of upset people down in texas.”
by longhornscardinals on Nov 30, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, well no one said that part.
Still doesn’t sound good.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
the conversation went something like this (paraphrased)
Commentator 1: BCS standings released on the post-game show. We’ve heard there are big changes
Commentator 2: Oooh, that sounds ominous for my Longhorns, and that would make for some awfully upset people down in Texas.
by longhornscardinals on Nov 30, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Not a chance.
Down to 4 in the Coaches’ poll, and definitely not jumping above 6 in the computers. If anything Florida dropped to 5.
I think the whole country has an SEC bias
No one seems to realize the conference just isn’t all that special this year
by MeanMr.Mustard on Nov 30, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
Georgia sucks, LSU sucks, Miss St sucks, South Carolina sucks, Auburn sucks…should I continue
Guaranteed to work 60% of the time, every time.
If OU is ahead in the computers, yes.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
8 Seconds left on Fox game.
Weren’t the standings released on Scout.com last week sometime early? Has anybody looked around there?
We're not even going to play Utah.
It’ll be Ohio State more than likely, otherwise Boise St.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Again...
…“Utah to the Sugar” was predicated on the Fiesta grabbing an available USC team that’ sno longer on the table. I think the Fiesta takes Utah over OSU or BSU.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
The Fiesta doesn't get to pick first if Bama/UF is #1.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Then how would USC have fallen to the Fiesta?
That makes no sense. The Sugar would have taken Utah over USC?!?
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
All we need in the computers
is to be behind by no more than .0011. So, as long as we’re tied or ahead, we go to KC
From the Big 12 tiebreakers
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?PRINTABLE_PAGE=YES&ATCLID=1546006&DB_OEM_ID=10410
- The highest ranked team in the first Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative
- The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative
- The representative will be chosen by draw.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Nov 30, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
A draw?
That’s comical. What a joke of a system.
by DisplacedTexan on Nov 30, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
that's actually 5, 6, 7 .. not sure why it did that
and I don’t know what “best overall winning percentage” would even mean … a tie = a tie because the winning % are the same
by MeanMr.Mustard on Nov 30, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
that could be
me and my roommate were talking about that
by MeanMr.Mustard on Nov 30, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
I hate FOX. I really do.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
This is FOX
I can’t imagine they spill the BCS until they’ve done a good amount of NFL recapping. Of course they’ll “hint” away the results well beforehand. God I hate FOX when it comes to college football.
hahahahaha
This is just perfectly fitting for how this weekend went for us!
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
P.S. 45-35
To be fair...
It’s an exciting game, and they’re in the business of NFL ratings.
Doesn’t make me happy – just saying.
by DisplacedTexan on Nov 30, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa!
Who replaced Aaron Rodgers with Brett Favre at the end there!?
by DisplacedTexan on Nov 30, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
wow, please read above
and take the quotes in context.
by longhornscardinals on Nov 30, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you Aaron Rodgers.
Now release the goddamn standings!
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
all i want now
is to see OU destroyed in another bcs game
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
It appears this is all coming down to the result of the
Missouri / Kansas game yesterday
I convinced myself that mizzou losing couldn't matter that much
apparently i was wrong. what a stupid system. we don’t go to KC because mizzouri lost to kansas.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Can you guys just promise....
that nobody jumps out of a window today?
"A lot of people look for the easy way to do anything, in swimming there is no easy way." - Eddie Reese
P.S. 45-35
Sure..
But I am going to drink myself stupid
by Hookem4life84 on Nov 30, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, it was the Missouri result that haunts us if we drop
I slammed down the remote yesterday when Kansas threw that TD pass
If only we had a means of determining which team was better.
To bad we didn’t play OU this year.
Wait what….?
we're up in human polls...
only way to lose is be down by anything in the computers….which is possible
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 3:13 PM CST reply actions
Could the computer rankings have changed that much?
We made up 27 in the Harris and 41 in the Coaches polls and were ahead earlier (albeit narrowly). Could Missouri v. Kansas have had that much of a difference? Didn’t we beat Kansas on the road?
yeah but so did OU
We played and beat Mizzou while OU didn’t.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Just to piss us off...
Mizzou will probably lose on a last second field goal in the Big XII CG.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
what was the ominous quote in the car/gb game?
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
0.4 lead in the computers?
What the FUCK?
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
At least that's a large enough lead...
…that we can’t just wonder what if just one thing (KU-MU) had gone the other way.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Eff. The Panthers are going to punt.
I thought that Fox had to switch off at 3:15 from bonus coverage.
You can always hope
that Florida beats Bama and then still doesn’t jump you in the BCS. Not likely, I guess, but the computers really don’t like Florida, and Florida will be (at best) a weak #1 in the human polls.
Sorry guys…
13 thousandths of a point
wow, that bites!
Fuck...
…OU
…Stoops
…BCS
…turquoise
…Bama
…Fla
…Saban
FUCK!
Turncoat
ESPNews Breaking News Sportsline ticker reports OU #2 and UT #3 (by .0128) !!!
Not unless OU finishes next week at #1.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
We'll play Ohio St. or Boise St. in the Fiesta.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Sugar, according to my understanding.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Stoop this.
Stoop happens?
Son of a Stoop!
by DisplacedTexan on Nov 30, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
How the hell is OU over Alabama?
OU is ranked #1 in the computers!
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:19 PM CST reply actions
Let's all take a deep breath.
Read PB’s post today. http://www.burntorangenation.com/2008/11/30/675623/the-team-gave-us-this-incr
Go Tigers!
If Missou knocks off OU, we can still elevate to #2 in the BCS.
Onto studying…..
They lost to Kansas.
Mizzou can’t win unless OU spots them 35.
That's not gonna happen either.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
and TT was going to destroy baylor...what was the spread in lubbock on that game?
by Mulliganville on Nov 30, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
This is accurate
Mizzou’s defense is pathetic. Did you see Kansas drive down the field and score the game winning TD? Mizzou got zero pressure on Kansas most of the day. Bradford will hang 60 on them, guaranteed!
Fuck me!
Why did no one predict this much change in teh computers?
That’s the biggest flub ever by the “experts”.
do you think
if CU and Mizzou won that would have been enough to bump our computer score?
by littlevisigoth on Nov 30, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
I pointed this out yesterday but nobody gave my insight any credence.
I expressed it was about he worst possible day for us as far as the outcomes of the 6 or so games that affected us indirectly. Every important outcome went against us.
I know
I thought this whole time the computers would be our grand savior at the end.
Turns out they were the ones that betrayed us, while the humans helped us. Too bad the computers can’t see that whole 45-35 campaign.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not even as bitter as I thought I would be
We won the people. We lost the computers. By a lot.
I was prepared to rail against idiot voters.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Experts...
Can go Stoop themselves.
(Just taking it out for a test drive.)
by DisplacedTexan on Nov 30, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
It’s astounding that voters keep sending the Sooners to bowls they don’t deserve. They’re starting to become the Notre Dame of college football.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:23 PM CST reply actions
By the way, there’s still the chance that a very slim UF victory would leave OU and UT #1 and #2. So there’s another scenario.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:24 PM CST reply actions
Not going to happen
There is NO way the humans would allow the top 2 teams to be in the same conference.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
i doubt it
i think the polls would both put UF at #1 and beating the former #1 on a neutral field would be a HUGE boost to their computer score.
by littlevisigoth on Nov 30, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
That's funny!
beating the former #1 on a neutral field
Like that matters!
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
No possible way.
Florida is already getting #1 votes. Alabama has most of the #1 votes. If Florida beats Alabama why would voters not just switch their #1s to Florida?
Could be misremembering....
Didn’t K State have a respectable defense?
Mizzou doesn’t.
Only way Mizzou wins
is if Mangino sucks Bradford into his orbit.
This is 2000 FSU-Miami all over again
Computers elevate a team that lost the head-to-head and lost the human pollsters.
My hatred for OU has grown exponentially
There is not a curse word in the human language strong enough to convey my feelings right now.
Stoop.
For example… “That guy is suck a stoophole.” or “My head is stooping killing me.”
by DisplacedTexan on Nov 30, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
i know we know the results already...
but FOX STILL hasnt announced the results. WTF!
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 3:27 PM CST reply actions
I sure hope not.
It would be a semi-decent consolation to the shit feeling I now have.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
But I can’t see how that significantly raises his draft stock.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
True.
But maybe it does. He is already saying that if his projection comes back in the first round, he’ll go.
The Heisman is a good consolation if your team isn’t in the running for a national championship (a la Ricky Williams)
True.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
I might be in the minority here (and might be accused of being selfish)
but would it be better if Colt wins the Heisman next year?
What I mean by this is wouldnt’ Colt be more inclined to leave to the NFL if he either:
1) Wins the MNC, or
2) Wins the Heisman
Just a thought?
only way I see Colt going
is if he wins a national title. He goes out on top. If he wins the Fiesta along with the Heisman then that’s a solid win but I think he would stick around.
Fox....
An NFL wide receiver shooting himself in the leg is bigger news than the BCS standings? Alright.
Take your time FOX, take your damn time
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:31 PM CST reply actions
We have at least 3 more commercials to sit through.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
For what?
The link is above, ESPN News broke it… what’s there to wait for?
The old adage of “lose early” worked again in college football.
by DisplacedTexan on Nov 30, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
i have a panormous feeling that this sux
"the friendliest people and the pertiest women you ever seen."
STFU.
“Bob Stoops took the high road.” – Barry Fucking Switzer.
“Neither Bob Stoops not Mike Stoops voted in the Coaches Poll.” Barry Fucking Switzer. And he said it like they just voluntarily chose not to this week to prevent a conflict of interest.
My point exactly
He said it like they declined to vote just this week. What a fucking dickwod.
Barry Switzer "Neither Mike nor Bob Stoops even voted"
No shit Sherlock, neither has a vote, asswipe!
Yep, how sad
we beat both teams that are playing for the Big 12 championship
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
oh my god it's like
it’s purposely rigged to hurt worse
"the friendliest people and the pertiest women you ever seen."
New argument
Texas deserves to go to the MNC over Florida if they beat Alabama.
Florida has beaten:
Georgia
Alabama
Texas has beaten:
OU
OSU
Mizzou
Florida lost to:
Ole Miss
Texas lost to:
Texas Tech
We go.
Sorry, not going to matter
Tell me why the voters would want to see OU play Texas AGAIN. We already know what happens if they play each other.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
If we don't go above OU, no way we go above Florida.
We beat OU head to head. What more convincing argument could we have had for being the more deserving team?
It's not even close
We deserve to go in that situation. We have the best win and the best loss, plus more good wins. If we have to beat the damned Sooners twice to win the national championship, then let’s go do it.
I'm not saying we don't deserve it.
We obviously do based on the wins and losses. But i think the voters have shown they are lusting over the SEC again this year (for no real reason) and will give all their #1 votes to Florida if they win.
They are like two year olds.
Only can think about what is in front of their face at the moment.
Turncoat
Fox is classless. That dog should NOT be talking about the BCS. Why didn’t Fox interview Mack Brown or Gary Pinkel . . . of anyone directly affected by the rankings. Plus, why are we already talking about these guys in the pros. I watch college football because the pros lack so many aspects of the game that college football has. Do these Fox guys really think they are “entertaining” or “funny”? They are neither. If suspect that Colt McCoy for the Heisman is over, too. Bradford has the inside track now.
three of the worst days of my life
pathetic, maybe but it feels like a slegehammer to the nuts.
Sherrod Harris' facebook status
Sherrod Harris is pissed off right now. Dammit!!!!!!!! We knew they would try and hold us down.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:40 PM CST reply actions
Turncoat
OU is going to kill Mizzou !!! Done deal.
I can’t believe people even bother to watch FOX for anything other than the cartoon lineup on Sunday nights anway. Their NFL coverage is cartoonish, childish garbage, they’re horrible for college FB and other sports, their news is tabloidish at best, and their on-screen personalities are dim bulbs on a good day.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:41 PM CST reply actions
I feel sorry for our bowl opponent
We are going to be PISSED OFF if we don’t go to the MNC game.
Don’t. I’m actually concerned about a letdown. Joey Harrington/Oregon, anyone?
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
and
if we choose to root for the paper tigers next saturday night, we get another three hours of musberger and whorestreit sucking ou
Herbie didn't bug me.
Musberger sounded like he was Sam Bradford’s mom.
Yeah, I think Herbie was trying to convince everyone Texas should go.
He said he thought OU would go but that Texas should go.
If we go to the Fiesta after all, I'll actualy be glad the game is on Fox.
Can you imagine having to watch UT-OSU in a BCS bowl with Herbie announcing. If that game was close at all it would be absolutely maddening.
Funny story
A friend of a friend from Michigan told me over dinner that he likes OU. I asked why on earth he would like OU, and he told me he just likes Stoops a lot. I laughed it off at the time. If the same thing happened today, I swear I would have punched him in the face… I’m being mostly serious.
Will the Big 12 actually change their tie-breaker scenario?
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:44 PM CST reply actions
Turncoat
I have written and emailed Fox to complain of their piece-of-shit coverage of college football (including bowl games) and the announcers’ lack of knowledge of the college game. Guess what? Predictably . . . no response. They don’t care if their coverage sucks. They only care that they signed a multi-year contract with the NFL and that they get to cover the college bowls. Fox is why we have mute buttons on our remotes. A bunch of has beens (great in their day, no doubt) who think they have it . . . when they don’t.
Might as well switch to the Texas - Rice game
UT is venting on Rice. 65-48 UT
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:45 PM CST reply actions
Turncoat
No way !!! A lot of people have been focusing on the Big XII for several weeks. The conference won’t do anything to divert the attention, even at the cost of the schools.
Why?
Do you keep putting “Turncoat” on your post title?/
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s been annoying the doo out of me.
by burntorangehorn on Nov 30, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Out of three years....
We beat OU twice and lose once. And never see the Big 12 championship game. Damn.
OU- lose twice, win once. and Likely will get three straight Big 12 championships and a shot at the MNC.
Go Tigers!!!!
i know
apparently the RRR means nothing
apparently we should have run up the score on Kansas and aTm.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously.
Where is HornChamps? “—- All roads to the Big-XII Championships run through OU and the RRS. It’s not just "another game.” - "
Hardly. Apparently it is “just another game”. Or something less. We both had equal records (conference, division, overall), we win on a neutral field, they go to the Big 12 championship? WTF?
Turncoat
Because I am a staunch college football who no longer roots for a team that you guys absolutely hate. My money - athletic or otherwise - doesn’t go to that school because the athletic director and most of the athletic program has betrayed the school’s fans. My son is a senior in high school, and he won’t apply to my alma mater - and I don’t blame him. Don’t hold this against me. I have to root for someone !!!
but why do you have to make it your topic?
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Turncoat
Would you have preferred “Disgruntled Aggie”? Does it make any difference?
This is the topic
That line is where most people put the topic of their post. Not their name. I couldn’t care less, but you didn’t understand flo up there.
We can get in over Florida
If they don’t get very much out of beating Alabama in the computers, and they get teh short end of the split number one vote stick with OU, our computer ranking could edge us in over them, especially if they are a computer #4 or 5 or so. The voters will have their final vote right after the SEC championship game, and then won’t have any way to “fix” it if we slip in at #2. OU sucks.
Yes, but...
Could Florida get the same kind of computer bounce that OU got (unlikely maybe, but no on predicted this kind of a jump from OU either)?
If so, i doubt we could stay ahead of Florida.
stoops presser on espn news
immediately mentioned margin of victory last two weeks
stoops press conference on right now...
schedule on the side and whats the thing that sticks out?
45-35
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 4:03 PM CST reply actions
Bottom line
Is that we should have taken care of buisness in lubbock.
But the fact that the teams that we beat are getting in ahead of us makes me want to throw up… I hate OU. And I fucking Hate Mike Leach for ruining our season again.
and while I am on a role (i know i will draw major heat for this), but Fuck you Mack. I am a huge Mack supporter but I am sick of watching him find a way to lose a big 12 title every year.
45-35
yeah i'll give you heat...
it wasnt macks fault we lost to Tech….
we didnt match their intensity in the first half, the defense was on the field too long, we had some key injuries (quan, chykie) at the end. Dont blame Blake Gideon either. He’ll never drop an easy ball like that again…not with that much on the line.
I give Mack credit for preparing a leader like Colt and being the classiest coach in college football. I’m damn proud of the entire team.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Nov 30, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
I am proud of this team, and I am a Mack supporter
But I am so irritated that every year except,1 we get screwed. I am ready for Texas to dominate the Big 12, I am sick of OU dominating.
(and we have beaten OU 3 out of the last 4 years and still managed to hand them the big 12 2 out of the 3 times we beat em.)
45-35
wow
sorry for facing the facts of the last few seasons.
But OU winning the South 7 out of the last 8 years is unacceptable.
45-35
You just said,
in a post, “Fuck You Mack.”
If that’s what you really believe, I have no qualms wanting a no-perspective moron like yourself off this board.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
It was an overreaction on my part
but I am sick of him finding a way to lose the south year after year, even when we beat OU, tired of being let down year after year.
This year isn’t the best example,but it is an example. The one that had me going was 06, beat OU, then find a way to lose to two inferior teams.
This is Texas, we want conference championships.
45-35
From NYT Online.....
"The former Michigan State coach George Perles, a Harris poll voter, said he moved Oklahoma ahead of Texas on his ballot this week based on the Sooners’ offensive prowess in its 61-41 victory at Oklahoma State on Saturday night. He voted the Sooners No. 3 and the Longhorns No. 4.
Last week, Perles said he had Texas third and Oklahoma fourth. He said he did not believe the Longhorns would beat the Sooners a second time if the two teams played again now.
‘Oklahoma is scoring like a machine,’ Perles said by telephone. ‘You’re not going to keep them off the board.’"
That, folks, is the crap that kept us out of the Big 12 Championship.
BCS is flawed
The fact that the BCS doesn’t look at the relative strength of each team within the computer rankings but instead simply ranks them #1 through #25 and assigns a rolling scale of 1, .96, .92, .88, .84, .80, etc. for teams ranked #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc. respectively may have been the ultimate difference for TX vs. OU.
I haven’t seen all of the computer rankings, but e.g. Sagarin has OU 1 and Texas 2 (1, .96)
In actuality, OU has a power ranking (based on Sagarin’s scale) of 93.94, and Texas is 93.50. The percentage difference in the rankings is less than 0.5 . However, the BCS disregards the actual numbers and assigns a difference of 4. That is a HUGE discrepancy between the actual relative computer rankings between TX and OU and what the BCS assigns as the difference.
I’d like to take a look at this for all 6 rankings, but haven’t seen all of them yet.
HornBrain: Care to run an analysis on this?
To clarify.
On the BCS scale, the BCS system assigns a difference of .04 between Texas and OU’s sagarin rating.
In actuality, the difference is only .005.
That is HUGE failure of the BCS.
Turncoat
Guys, you have a great team. Whether the BCS is fair or not (and it’s NOT because we still need a playoff), the fact that the ’Horns are a great team is NOT in question. Wherever you go bowling, take a bunch of fans, have a great time, and win the game. Consider yourselves fortunate enough to go to a major (BCS) bowl almost every year. Others would gladly trade places with you.
Dear Turncoat,
Do you see the “Subject” line when you post? Please type something besides “Turncoat” in it when you post.
Thank you.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
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