Numbers Game: So You're Saying There's a Chance!
Well, that sucked. Everyone needs to read Peter's beautiful tome on how to handle ourselves in this incredibly unfortunate (and in our minds unjust) situation. But the chances of Texas going to the BCS National Championship game are not gone. Take a look at the BCS standings:
| BCS | Harris Poll | USA Today | Computer Rankings | ||||||||||||||
| TEAM | BCS AVG | PRVS | RK | PTS | % | RK | PTS | % | COMP AVG | A&H | RB | CM | KM | JS | PW | % | |
| 1 | Alabama | .9713 | 1 | 1 | 2815 | .9965 | 1 | 1521 | .9974 | 3 | 25 | 25 | 23 | 21 | 22 | 22 | .920 |
| 2 | Oklahoma | .9351 | 3 | 4 | 2569 | .9094 | 2 | 1397 | .9161 | 1 | 22 | 24 | 24 | 25 | 25 | 25 | .980 |
| 3 | Texas | .9223 | 2 | 3 | 2575 | .9115 | 3 | 1396 | .9154 | 2 | 23 | 22 | 25 | 23 | 24 | 24 | .940 |
| 4 | Florida | .8851 | 4 | 2 | 2619 | .9271 | 4 | 1385 | .9082 | 6 | 20 | 23 | 22 | 20 | 20 | 19 | .820 |
| 5 | USC | .8076 | 5 | 5 | 2378 | .8418 | 5 | 1298 | .8511 | 8 | 17 | 21 | 19 | 19 | 18 | 17 | .730 |
| 6 | Utah | .7844 | 6 | 7 | 2111 | .7473 | 7 | 1153 | .7561 | 5 | 24 | 19 | 21 | 22 | 21 | 21 | .850 |
| 7 | Texas Tech | .7805 | 7 | 8 | 2090 | .7398 | 8 | 1116 | .7318 | 4 | 21 | 20 | 20 | 24 | 23 | 23 | .870 |
| 8 | Penn State | .7373 | 8 | 6 | 2177 | .7706 | 6 | 1176 | .7711 | 9 | 18 | 16 | 17 | 16 | 16 | 18 | .670 |
| 9 | Boise State | .7034 | 9 | 9 | 1937 | .6857 | 9 | 1044 | .6846 | 7 | 19 | 18 | 18 | 18 | 19 | 20 | .740 |
| 10 | Ohio State | .6340 | 10 | 10 | 1856 | .6570 | 10 | 999 | .6551 | 11 | 16 | 17 | 16 | 11 | 13 | 14 | .590 |
Follow me after the jump for a little bit of thought on Texas' remaining opportunities.
Fact 1 that People are Forgetting: Our beef today was not with the BCS but with the Big 12 tiebreaker scheme. We won't know if the BCS did it's job this year until after next weekend. The BCS was never meant to break conference ties. You can't blame the BCS for this, only the conference that intertwined its conference rankings with a preliminary BCS poll that was not meant to do anything of the sort.
If Fact 2 is Relevant, it will be the Best of Both Worlds: Missouri beating OU sends Texas to the National Championship game and OU to the Cotton Bowl. USC is too far back to pass Texas even if it beats UCLA and wins its conference. Even voters won't be able to muster enough chutzpah to put USC ahead considering the fact that if OU loses to Missouri, Texas will be viewed as a team that got screwed.
Fact 3 is Something We've All Been Slowly Realizing: If Florida beats Alabama, it's possible that the Gators will not pass Texas in the BCS. I posted about it last week, a few people have brought it up in the comments and 54b wrote a FanPost about it. Florida is way behind in the computers. A win over Alabama will certainly help, but who knows how much. If Florida and OU split the #1 human vote (so that each is effectively ranked 1.5, while Texas is ranked a solid number 3 (or a little bit higher by some who still have Texas above OU on their ballots)), then it's possible that Texas will retain enough of a computer advantage to lead Florida in the BCS. It's unlikely because I think Florida will make up enough ground in the computers to take the BCS lead, but it's not a given that Florida will be above Texas even if it beats Alabama.
Blind Opinion States its Case to be Fact 4: If Texas cannot make it to the National Championship game, then my greatest rooting interest in the Orange Bowl is for OU to get the shit beat out of it for the 5th straight BCS Bowl game. I think Florida has a better chance to effect such a beatdown than Alabama and because of that, and combined with Fact 3 (and the fact that Nick Saban is quite possibly the devil incarnate), I'll be rooting for the Gators on Saturday.
Above all else though, Go Mizzou! Beat the Hell Outta The Land (and Big12) Thieves!
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So what would you say the chances...
Of a team like us, and a bowl like the MNC, ya know, ending up together? Give it to me straight. Like 1 in a hundred, or like 1 in a million?
by jw4425 on Nov 30, 2008 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
1 in a million
Mizzou won’t beat OU. Florida will pass us when they beat Alabama.
by mikey 4 on Nov 30, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice class
Wouldn’t you rather root for OU to win???
At best Texas could still have their “45-35” rant. IF UT wins their bowl game. And who knows, maybe get a split vote.
This about conference pride
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 4:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are you busy?
Do you really not have anything better to do than hang out here on Sunday afternoon and tell us who to root for in an upcoming game?
I’d assume having gotten what you wanted you’d be busy worrying about your own team, and not about who Texas fans are rooting for.
by drycreek on Nov 30, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They used to say the same thing back during the AFL vs NFL days...
Folks always wanted to compare the AFL with the NFL. It’s not Big 12 vs SEC. It’s (insert team here) vs the rest of the world.
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 30, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Different people have different priorities.
Yeah, it would be a nice consolation prize to be able to say we beat the National Champions. But it would be better if OU didn’t have a Big12 and National Championship banner hanging up next year.
I don’t think it’s a lack of class to root against your biggest rival, especially in a situation in which we feel like we deserve to be there more. The Big 12 tiebreaker feels differently and I’ve accepted that. I’m not claiming that if OU wins, it’s illegitimate. I’m saying that I don’t want to root for my biggest rival to win a national championship.
Sure, in a hypothetical “Big12 vs. SEC” matchup, I’m rooting for the Big12. But in an OU vs. Florida/Bama matchup, there’s no way in hell I’m rooting for OU.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
To be honest
I would root for a Big XII vs. SEC matchup only because Texas would be in the Big XII. If you said the other 11 Big XII teams vs. the SEC, I would root for the SEC this year.
by Texas Wahoo on Nov 30, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thank u that is exactly what i wanted to say and i couldnt have said it any better
Hotty Toddy and Hook'em Horns.
by Olemissreb451 on Dec 1, 2008 12:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck off
i really wish this bastard would stop showing up around this forum, fucking loser
Hook 'Em
by afhook08 on Nov 30, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas Sooner
There’s no chance this is that same guy who kept showing up last year stirring up trouble and got banned from the site about 30 times is it? I can’t remember that guy’s name but billyzane busted him several times.
by OU Always Sucks on Nov 30, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Well said, I could not agree more.
by HalfmileHorn on Dec 1, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, even Sooner fans are worried about laying that fat egg.
Texas will have to carry the Big XII in the BCS, with OU faltering once more.
What is in it for me to root for OU?
by HornPossessed on Nov 30, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, WTF?
OU seriously needs to worry about winning their game and not embarrassing the Big 12 like they seem to do every year. No amount of cheering from Texas will help you win anyway.
by bevo4president on Nov 30, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good for recruiting...
For OU to keep falling flat on its face in BCS games.
by jw4425 on Nov 30, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Conference pride?
This conference is a festering pile of shit. I’m ashamed to be part of it. It’s not our record that did this to us — remember the scoreboard, fucker — but our piece-of-shit conference’s arbitrary tie-breaker rules.
by mikey 4 on Nov 30, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't blame the conference
for one stupid rule that can and most likely will be overturned this offseason. At least we’re not the Big East or ACC that relies on an automatic bid for winning the conference because they can’t win enough games to be a legitimate contender in the top ten.
by seth78 on Nov 30, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ou
it is amazing how much crp comes out your posts. yes there will always be 45-35. how a true college fan could still beleive the loser of the 45-35 deserves an oppurtunity for the mnc is beyond my comprehension. the bcs is bs.
by burntorange81 on Nov 30, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Two losers
We beat both of them by two possessions.
by mikey 4 on Nov 30, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will root for BlowU
when hell freezes over.
Apparently President-elect Obama wants to fix the economy and the college football system. He could start by amputating the entire state of Oklahoma.
by Bobster on Nov 30, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just a waste....
of a good nuke. Probably would cause millions of dollars in improvements in Norman.
by sixtwotwo on Nov 30, 2008 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason why I would root for OU (only in the Big 12 game)
is so that I can laugh after Florida or Alabama wipes the floor with OU.
Solid multi-threat SEC offenses + OU defense giving up an average of 32 pts/game for the last 7 games + Bob Stoops’ recent BCS history (WVa ’08, Boise St ’07, USC ’05 and LSU ’04) = distraught and confused OU after being led to the slaughter.
by sixtwotwo on Nov 30, 2008 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Picture worth a 1000 words ..
I find it hard to reconcile your entreaty with the Sooner assistant coach in the background at the game’s end Saturday night. He kept thrusting an upside down hook-em sign behind Bradford for the camera. Even worse, all the Sooners pulling for USC in the Rose Bowl against us. I could go on & on …
I have a place in mind for your ‘conference pride,’ and I’ll give you a hint – the sun doesn’t shine there.
by HalfmileHorn on Dec 1, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Relevant to Fact #3
If, as the game is play, it becomes apparent that Mizzou cannot beat OU, root for OU to rout Mizzou and take away some votes from Florida.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 4:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I thought about that earlier this afternoon and forgot when I was writing this in a hurry. Good point.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the flip side,
OU destroying Mizzou probably kills the split championship scenario. I know I’m grasping at straws here…
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something else no one else has posted yet:
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 4:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
45-35 worked
The campaign did its job. Despite OU winning by 20 on the road against a highly-regarded opponent, we still took enough votes from the Sooners in the human polls to pull ahead. I think it’s safe to say that if you had told me that would happen, I would have been packing my bags for KC.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another scenario
If OU struggles to beat Missouri barely, couldn’t we raise the Texas v. OU debate again?
I think the voters might be inclined to change their votes again just a little bit more to maybe give Texas an edge over OU in the next weeks BCS standings
by memphizbell on Nov 30, 2008 4:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hey BZ
do you have the BCS rankings from last season, before the SEC Championship game was played?
IIRC, Missouri’s loss to OU and West Virginia’s loss to Pitt on the same weekend shook up the BCS, and opened the door for a lower ranked LSU to jump past a higher ranked Georgia and into the BCS title game.
Given that, I think that if Florida beats Alabama, the human polls will put Florida as the unanimous #1 or #2. Is that enough of a jump to put Florida into the national title game as #2? If OU is voted #1 after beating Missouri, will that be enough to move them to #1 in the computers?
by Beergut on Nov 30, 2008 5:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LSU was 7th prior to the SEC title game
1 and 2 lost, OSU moved to 1st and LSU leaped Georgia, Virginia Tech, and Kansas. LSU had pretty good computer numbers I think, so I’m not sure it’s an apples-to-apples comparison.
Florida’s problem is that I don’t see a lot of room to jump in the computers. It’s not like they’re a little behind, their .12 behind. I think at best they cut that in half.
That being said, I sense the “most anticipated conference championship game of all time!!” winner will get a lot of #1 votes in the polls.
I also think if Florida wins out, regardless of what bowl they end up in, they’ll get an AP crown.
by DoubleB on Nov 30, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Florida
If UF is a solid #2 in the polls (0.96) and #3.5 in the computers (0.90) they will likely be #2 in the BCS with 0.94.
Currently UF has 0.82 in the computers and will get an automatic 0.04 boost for beating Alabama (Alabama will drop belwo them in the computers). Then they only need another 0.04 for the win over an undefeated team to be #2 in the BCS.
by drycreek on Nov 30, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Florida is a near-unanimous #1, they're in.
If Florida is a near-unanimous #2 and Texas is a near-unanimous #3 in the human polls, then Texas would have to be a near-unanimous #2 and Florida a near-unanimous #4 in the computers (they’re currently ranked 5.5, points-wise) in order to be approximately tied with Texas. I think that Florida makes up enough ground in the computers to take over Texas in the BCS, but remember also that an OU win boosts Texas’ computer rankings as well. Who the hell knows.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Missouri
has about the same chances beating ou as Colorado had beating Texas in 2005.
by Longhorns84 on Nov 30, 2008 5:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OU can and will
Name the score
UT played both teams, which one was better, OSU or Missouri…..? Do you think Missouri’s defense could play any better than OSU’s did last night
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Such a travesty..
you belong somewhere else. Preferably north of the Red River. Not sure where you get off with your handle but it is really Arnoldesque. Go play with yourself and get off out of our thread.
by TXStampede on Nov 30, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you go celebrate in a Sooner blog?
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 30, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazed
I am just amazed at how Sooner fans have the strength to type after all of the hand jobs they have been giving out to the voters these past 2 weeks. Well done OU.
by bevo4president on Nov 30, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is this all about Mizzou's defense?
How about your defense? Gave up 40+ to OSU on the road. The Mizzou game will basically be on the road.
Is Reynolds still out? Box could possibly miss that game as well. What about English?
Add the possible weather implications, whether it’s wind, rain, or snow. As we saw in the UT/KU game, wind can play a big role.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why they play the games...
to decide on the field who is the better team.
But even if OU loses they will find some way to convince the BCS that they should go to the Fiesta Bowl instead of Mizzou.
by drycreek on Nov 30, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case the Fiesta Bowl is obligated to take Mizzou as the Big 12 chump
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 30, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Won't matter what OU says in that case
Winning Big 12 title game = AUTOMATIC BCS berth. OU to the Cotton Bowl LOL! Tech to Holiday Bowl I guess vs Oregon State.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can a poster be banned?
Seriously. I don’t want to get all TexAgs here, and I like intelligent visitors from other schools, even if I don’t agree with what they say all the time, but you’re under no obligation to provide a forum to a troll.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't done anything worth banning.
Play nice, everyone.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes! Beergut banned me on the 12th Man!
Because I made fun of his Texas/A&M game thread (where he discussed the entire game….. alone). The guy goes to every Big 12 board to stir things up, but bans me for doing the same thing at 12th man…. No wonder only 2 people post there (and one of them is furious because BG deleted his post game analysis).
by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beergut is a joke.
I’m getting sick of his crap. I’m an Aggie through and through, but there is only so much irrationality I can take. The guy is ridiculous. Its starting to piss me off how every time he refers to you guys he refers to you as “texas.” Capitalize the damn T, it looks really unprofessional and biased. He refuses to capitalize it even if its in the title of the thread or in the beginning of the sentence. I called him out, on it but he deleted my post with no reply.
by PrimeTime2012 on Dec 1, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your defense is nothing to crow about
OU is vulnerable. You seem to have forgotten that in all the hype you’ve gotten the last few weeks. Mizzou can win. I hope that catch you looking ahead.
by NYCHorn on Nov 30, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Missouri can score
Say what you will, but I don’t think this is going to be a complete pasting.
by DoubleB on Nov 30, 2008 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And another thing
Missouri has a great kick returner and OU’s coverage team is a complete and abject disaster.
by DoubleB on Nov 30, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure those are enough though
Mizzou needs to play the game of their lives
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 30, 2008 5:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not happening... I mean has Mizzou beat anybody this year?
And OU owns MU. Don’t forget they beat them twice last season. I don’t see MU keeping it close.
The only way I would even give MU a slight chance is if it snowing/raining and 22 degrees in KC. Does anybody know what time kickoff is? If the conditions slow down OU’s passing game, there is a chance.
by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but what about
colorado v. texas 2001? I know it’s a horrible time to bring up letting another national championship game slip away… but crazier things have happened. GO TIGERS!
by 4th generation fan on Nov 30, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't remind me of that night...
I was there along with a sea of burnt orange when that nightmare happened.
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 30, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OU v. Kansas State is another example..
At Arrowhead…
by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Florida wins, they're in
- By beating the #1 team on a neutral field, they will make a up a big chunk of their deficit over Texas in the computers
- At least a few voters that voted Texas over OU and Florida will change their mind if both OU and Florida win their conference championship. (Obviously, Bama is in if they win). It just wouldn’t be right to move Texas over the Big 12 champion
- Voters already saw Texas and OU play each other on a neutral field. OU and Florida would be more intriguing. Plus they are in different conferences.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Probably. But it's not a given.
If OU and Florida split the #1/#2 vote with OU leading Florida, there’s a possibility that the computers won’t change enough for Florida. Not probable certainly, but possible.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The SEC Champion is going to the NC game.
How likely do you think it is that Florida beats the #1 team in the country, who is undefeated, and then gets left out of the NC game so that OU can play Texas again?
So you would have the #3 team in the Big 12 team going over the SEC Champion? A conference that has won the NC the last 2 years? This will not happen.
Texas might drop a spot in the BCS if Florida wins, if Bama falls to 3.
Texas’ only shot is for a Mizzou win.
by BamaTodd on Nov 30, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're speaking of what would be fair.
I’m speaking of what is realistically possible. And it’s very unlikely, but realistically possible that Texas will be ranked ahead of Florida given the scenario I have outlined above.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wake up....
Beating #1 team on a neutral field will give them the edge with the USA Today voters.
Beating #1 team on a neutral field will give them the edge with the computers.
OU vs Texas is 100% NOT going to happen, not until October ’09.
by BamaTodd on Nov 30, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you even here?
Go back to some Bama blog and worry about Florida instead of commenting here.
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 30, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Horns fan too.
Just wanna help out the delusional people on this board.
Mizzou is the only way in and with OU’s defense giving up 30+ a game, Mizzou can win.
by BamaTodd on Nov 30, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not delusional.
If you follow this blog at all, you’d know that I’d be considered one of the least delusional. I am pointing out the various possibilities. Of course Florida would jump Texas in both human polls if they beat Alabama. I said EXACTLY that. I’m saying that there is a possibility (albeit very small) that Florida wouldn’t make up enough room in the computers if the human vote falls a certain way.
There’s no greater sign of ignorance than a refusal to believe that there’s any possible alternative to your own way of thinking.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict the computers
will still have UT over UF even with UF beating Bama. While Bama is #1 overall, they are #3 in the computers.
But the deficit would still shrink, and the humans voters will make up for that and then some to vault them over us.
I will be shocked if any voter leaves the SEC title game winner off of the 1/2 slot. Whether or not it’s justified, the voters will fix it so that 1 SEC school is represented in the MNC.
All we can do now is pray for Mizzou to win.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what should happen
OU beats Mizzou in the Big 12 title game, then gets spanked by UF in the NC — something like Florida 50, OU 20. TX spanks whoever it plays in BCS game. People wish they could have seen TX vs UF. Pollsters decide they are no longer going to vote OU over TX when its really close. On top of that, recruits stop leaving TX for OU cause OU is always losing big games(already happening… look at ESPN 150)
by cevic7 on Nov 30, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to happen.
If pollsters were going to stop voting OU so high because they lose in big games it would have already happened:
2003: Loss to K State in Big 12 Championship 35-7
Loss to LSU in BCS Championship 21-14
2004: Loss to USC in BCS Championship 55-19
2006: Loss to Boise State in Fiesta Bowl 43-42
2007: Loss to West Virginia in Fiesta Bowl 48-28
Not gonna happen.
by hornalum08 on Nov 30, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Computers don't care about avoiding rematches
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But 2/3 of the polls do
and our lead over Florida in the computers (if it even exists) would be reduced by Florida beating Bama (#3 in the computers) on a neutral field.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the assumption...
…of those considering that scenario is that they have taken that under consideration and still think that there’s a slim chance that it would not be enough to allow Florida to overtake Texas because of the computer differential.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe me, OU fans would prefer......
a rematch with Texas…. We were cheering like hell for Fla State and Auburn to help out, but to no avail… I don’t see any way of it happening at this point, sadly….
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh you want to lose again?
just so we can prove the bcs is flawed? u can prove it by urself. just get off the bus in miami and florida will run all over ur petty defense. good luck though, ill maintain some class even though im pissed
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You did beat OU
No doubt. And you deserve EVERY kudo for that.
But, that was OU 1.0
OU has developed and grown. This is OU 2.0. NOT the same team. A better team.
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL and how do we know this?
Did you beat Texas in your new 2.0 version?
You passed us up because your best wins came LATE, period. Our best wins were too early. That’s all that needs to be said. All about timing.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2.0 ??
Please stop talking about this OU 2.0 crap. Every team is different every week. Every team gets better as the season progresses.
You just got lucky with your scheduling that you were able to have some breaks between your tough games instead of four big games in a row.
When OU and Texas were fresh and playing on a neutral field, the outcome was 45-35.
by drycreek on Nov 30, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's the same team. With the same suspect defense.
Did OU bring in 3-4 new players? Maybe a LT that can block Orakpo? Or a RT that can stop Kindle? Did they sign a mystery student that can stop Shipley? Has their special teams become Special Teams 2.0 also?
by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny.....
UT is so proud about their defense, but who has more sacks this season???
OU and UT were tied going into last night’s game. The sack in the 4th quarter gave OU more sacks than UT. Huh…………
I’d give UT’s defense a tiny edge ahead of OUs, but that’s not to slight OU’s defense. They played good ENOUGH last night.
Mind you, UT didn’t play OSU AT Stillwater on their Senior night, did they?? And they still gave up 24 points at Austin to this same team. That’s not a TREMENDOUS defensive play.
And, they were 1 play away from losing the game to OSU at the last play…….
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so sacks always determine who has the best defense
thats like saying wins determine who is the best pitcher
by amr512 on Nov 30, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AND............
I do believe TTU put 39 on UT’s butt this year…..
OU’s defense was good enough to hold them to 21…. With 3 REGULAR turnovers, and 2 over on down turnovers as well….
How many did UT get against TTU???
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A&M
Stop comparing games. It doesn’t make sense.
A&M scored 28 on OU but only 9 on Texas. Yeah.
by drycreek on Nov 30, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Kansas...
We held them to way fewer points than OU did, and we played them in Lawrence.
Other than Texas Tech (which we got in Lubbock), our defense has performed much better.
by jw4425 on Nov 30, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're only going to focus on one game
then 45-35. Our defense is superior to yours. Stats are for losers.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EVERYONE
Compared the season, not just one game
Don’t be mad at me, I’m just trying to explain
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OU's defense still sucks!
you just haven’t played anyone with a defense that can slow your offense down. yeah you’ve racked 60 points up lately, but against who? kansas? kansas state? a&m? we show class and stop running up the score on those teams otherwise we’d have 60 points too! point in case, your defense still sucks. our defense is much better. if OU played TX again we would win again!
by cevic7 on Nov 30, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A better team?
You gave up 41 points to Ok State.
31 to Kansas.
35 to K-State
28 to Nebraska
28 to aTm.
21 to Tech.
That’s a hell of a defense you have there.
by seth78 on Nov 30, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
Ou’s defense sucks. they’re gonna get destroyed when the play UF in NC game
by cevic7 on Nov 30, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and let's face it OSU's offense spotted OU 9 points as well
suddenly looks like a lot closer game than Big Game Bob wanted…thus the late push for ‘style points’
by longhornJ on Dec 1, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that's rich
If a fan thinks his team improved since their last loss then that loss deserves to be overlooked and the team freshly re-assessed. I agree. The national championship should be given to whoever is assumed to be the best team on the very last day of the regular season, regardless of record.
In fact, I think we should give the national title to Ole Miss. They looked smokin’ hot against Croom.
by jtabor on Nov 30, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OU 2.0 might be worse.
I have seen both teams in person and OU clearly has the better offense. I don’t think anybody disputes, Texas, on the other hand, has the BETTER TEAM. Their defense is getting better while OU’s is regressing and OU’s special teams have become a joke.
After watching the OU Tech game, I said to myself that OU would probably beat Texas in a rematch, but after what UT did to us on Turkey Day and the way OU’s defense and special teams played UT would win without a doubt. UT’s defense would get enough stops and the running game of UT has improved as well.
by PrimeTime2012 on Dec 1, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We won the humans, but lost the computers
I still like the concept of the computers, because they remember the old games, rather than humans who worry more about who’s hot.
However, because only 4 computers’ score really matters, it’s WAY too small of a sample size, and yet this score is weighted just the same as human polls, where there are way more voters. They need to add more computers.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 5:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
itll be another SEC over OU beatdown.
florida has too much speed for OU to compete. their big holding offensive line will be exposed
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 5:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Poor TexasSooners
I don’t understand why he wants Texas fans on his side…he just wants friends.
Anyways, there’s no way in hell I would root for OU to win another BCS champs. I would rather see Florida or Bama win..more Bama than Florida. :)
Big Game Boob will return.
by nyclonghorngal on Nov 30, 2008 5:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well meyer is gonna prove his genius and once again
ou will embarrass the b12 nation
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BCS Bowls
I know the answer is probably “no”, but:
Is there any way USC can talk its way out of the Rose and into the Fiesta?
From what I’ve read, USC and its fan base were looking forward to playing us in the Fiesta than stay at home, again, and beat down a perceived inferior Big 10 opponent, again.
I’m sure Utah wouldn’t mind trading places, and Penn State is happy just to be there. And the Rose Bowl itself, despite losing the “traditional” match-up, might be happy to trade the local team coming for the fourth straight year in favor of a team with fans who’d travel and spend money in the local economy.
And of course, we’d much prefer that.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 5:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
USC would have to lose to UCLA to not go to the Rose Bowl
They go automatically to the Rose Bowl as the Pac10 champion.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I assumed...
…just didn’t know if a deal could me made, were USC to push the issue for whatever reason.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Rose Bowl is obligated to take the traditional Big Televen v Pac 10 matchup
if it’s there for the taking. I’m not so sure that USC can turn down a BCS bid just because it wants to go somewhere else.
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 30, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, the Rose Bowl
does not have to take the Big 10 and Pac 10 champions. It is just a tradition that goes back to 1947. Before that Notre Dame, Georgia, Alabama, Georgia Tech, Nebraska & Tennessee played n the Rose Bowl. Since then Miami, Oklahoma, Nebraska & Texas have played in the Rose Bowl.
Sancto Tedford
by monolake on Dec 1, 2008 2:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they do
unless they make the NC game the Pac 10 champ and the big 10 champ play in the Rose Bowl. Go to their website or the BCS website for more info.
by Wells on Dec 1, 2008 2:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would take some big bribes..
for the Rose Bowl to give up their PAC10 Big 10 love fest. Not likely.
by drycreek on Nov 30, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
pac10 champ vs big10 champ unless the champ is going to nat champ game, then you take an at large. usc would have to lose to ucla to have a shot and even if that they would have to stay ahead of boise state, utah and they wont with a loss to non bowl bound ucla
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya i live in LA and
they constantly interview the trojan guys. they were looking forward to playing a b12 or SEC opponent but i dont think they can talk their way out of it. unless they lose to UCLA and stay ranked higher than utah and boise state
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i missed most of it
wat should did he say
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just really upset
that it turns out we had to go undefeated to be in the top 2 this year. Who thought that would’ve been necessary after that 4 game stretch where we went 3-1? Problem was it was too early. There was no margin for error… except if you’re Florida and you lose at home to an unranked team. Go figure.
And Blake Gideon… think he doesn’t regret that INT even more? But of course, everyone will talk about him and forget about our clock management. That’s just how it is.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 5:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
clock mgmt and...
let’s not forget brillant acting by Tech’s defense on a few clock stopping ‘injury timeouts’ on UT’s last drive. between what UT left on the clock before the snap and the fake injuries stopping the clock I think at least 60-90 seconds was saved, which of course is the entire time they had the ball at the end…that still burns in my gut too gftc!
by longhornJ on Dec 1, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
once again we get screwed!
Texas should leave the Big 12 now. I just cannot believe that zero “U” gets the nod over us. Remember 45-35. Score settled!
by Scubasteve3195 on Nov 30, 2008 5:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Change the rules and stay in the Big 12
It’s a pretty good conference overall. It would better if Texas and OU would be in different divisions in the Big 12 and play each other OOC during the years that we are not scheduled to play in conference.
by drycreek on Nov 30, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just read that bradford has torn ligaments
Maybe there will be turnovers in the bad weather that will help mizzou. He probably wont be under center at all.
by jrod23mc on Nov 30, 2008 5:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not his throwing hand
It’s his left hand
It happened in the third series last night
The eight straight scoring drives he led last night he did with the same injury.
He’ll play from shotgun, and be fine. Will have surgery after next week’s game.
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
espn headlines
the ‘Banged-up Sooners’
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
It looks like BZ’s analysis here is going to be just as spot-on as his analysis of how OU wouldn’t overtake Texas in a 3-way tie. Is it possible? Sure, but come on, there is almost no chance of Mizzu beating OU. Give it a rest. What is more laughable though is the thought that if Florida beats Bama, they won’t be ranked higher than us. I don’t know what hallucinogen BZ is on, but I want some of it.
Having said that though, I will be cheering my ass off for Mizzu, and for Florida.
by Texas Our Texas on Nov 30, 2008 5:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're a real charmer.
Go back and read everything I’ve written. Point out to me one place where I ever said that OU wouldn’t overtake Texas in the BCS in the case of a 3-way tie. Go ahead; I’ll wait.
Couldn’t find any? Right, that’s because I never said that. For the last 3 weeks, I have been painstakingly analyzing the numbers and saying, “this is the way it could happen” NOT “this is the way it will happen.” In fact, I said before the OU-Tech game that it was not all that likely that human voters would keep Texas ahead of OU if OU won.
If you don’t appreciate the work that we put into this blog and can’t be bothered to actually read the analysis for what it says, then feel free to go somewhere else.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
with OU's defense anything is possible.
mizzou can win
by jtabor on Nov 30, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TexasSooner
we all know OU doesnt deserve to go anymore than Texas, so you’re really wasting your time..you should be celebrating…seriously.
by nyclonghorngal on Nov 30, 2008 5:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
celebrating...?
celebrating getting cheated out of our shot at a NC for this amazing season. i feel bad for the seniors to play their hearts out every play to not have their earned shot at a NC. they beat both teams who are in the b12 champ game. just unfair
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TexasSooner
Torn ligaments cause swelling and tightness over time. No practice this week, coupled with lost dexterity, and inclement weather may make this a closer game than you think. Instead of wasting your time here, go by Big Red and see if any body can mlb this weekend…
by jrod23mc on Nov 30, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
obviously you didnt wtch the ku mizzou game
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I did
I loved it, I had Kansas straight up and I won money on it…….
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what we need
is border patrol for texassooner
by burntorange81 on Nov 30, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
jrod,
Maybe
Not his throwing hand though. He’ll stay in shotgun…
I don’t think Sammy at 90% is going to give Missouri any hope…….
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mizzou has
a sucky defense
a choker qb
an injured maclin
weak special teams
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does this prove?
Mack Brown wants to win the big XII he needs to leave his dignity behind. Like Stoops he should leave the first string in during blow outs and run up the score because this is a situation where “Style Points” do matter. Every article I’ve read today expounds on how OU scored 60 points in all these last few games and on and on…… so that is what matters,
McCoy was pulled in the fourth quarter of every game that wasn’t close and so the team gets punished because it shows a little sportsmanship.
by Xerxes on Nov 30, 2008 5:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Baloney
And if you don’t think Bradford wasn’t pulled in any games you didn’t watch, obviously…
Like in the A&M game… Bradford was pulled with 14 minutes in the 4th quarter…. And in the TTU game, with 11 minutes…
I seem to remember Colt playing in the first series of the 4th quarter of the A&M game at home………….
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You, like most of the sooner fans I know...
Need to be fucking euthanized for the sake of humanity and population control. You are a blind fucking idiot if you think Stoops doesn’t run up the fucking score. You are a blind fucking idiot if you do not notice that Mack does not run up the score. Teach big game bob what taking a fucking knee is and then maybe we’ accept that he has “some” class. For now go smoke some pole
by tvr'11 on Dec 1, 2008 2:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
was thinking about this very stat...
has anyone run down how much time the backups have played for each? I’d bet money Chiles has seen more time than Bradford’s backup…not to mention that if Colt had stayed in longer he may well have racked up as many TD’s and B-rad!!!
by longhornJ on Dec 1, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
computers
like i said last night the computers do not see the tipped passes and breaks ou got. the last td for ou was ridiculous but the computer only sees it at as 7 more points and more yardage. the tt loss for the computer is a loss (obviously) however it does not look at it being the last play or that ut had come back from 19 down.
by burntorange81 on Nov 30, 2008 5:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Night all
Good luck in the Fiesta Bowl
by TexasSooner on Nov 30, 2008 5:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we go to Fiesta, we win
More than I can say for you guys.
by NYCHorn on Nov 30, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas Sooner..
I will be laughing at Sooner Nation when Florida or Bam scores 60+
:)
by nyclonghorngal on Nov 30, 2008 5:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bama couldn't do it. Florida maybe.
One more reason to root for a Florida W.
by hornalum08 on Nov 30, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That will accomplish nothing
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 30, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really
Protests never accomplish anything? Then what do you propose that we do. Just sit around and bitch and let the voters fuck us with this bullshit.
by dcallner on Nov 30, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on
I just read your info and you didn’t even go to Texas. Please go to your Texas State website.
by dcallner on Nov 30, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop it.
He has every right to be here as you do. More, even, if you keep talking like that.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am one of the editors of this site and the guy who wrote the article you're commenting on.
Be civil.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He will also kick the shit out of any pidgeon silly enough to approach him.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 30, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although
it must be pointed out that it is difficult to walk through any public square in NYC and not kick the shit out of a pigeon.
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 30, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was also in Sniper with Tom Berenger.
That alone earns a lifetime’s worth of badass points.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 30, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he was also one of the survivors of the Titanic, and he slept with Cleopatra. don't fuck with BZ.
by jc25 on Nov 30, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Serious
Does anybody really care that OU is going to play in the Big 12 game and not Texas? We beat OU? How can you not care?
by dcallner on Nov 30, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we care
but we have facets to our personalities that aren’t completely consumed with Texas football.
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 30, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get off
Then don’t waste your time by commenting on posts like this. Cause we are not pretend fans that route for USC when Texas isn’t playing. Go route for USC against Penn State and get off this board for Texas fans. You clearly are not a Texas fan and never can be cause your a fake worthless piece of shit.
by dcallner on Nov 30, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's moments like these
that I remember why people hate Texans so much.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Nov 30, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's moments like these
That I wonder how many “reply to” posts we can get. Go Go Go Go.
by notsofst on Dec 1, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No need for that.
You can be a die hard Texas fan and not put the ’Horns at the center of your worth.
Also, a word of advice, don’t talk down to someone because of where they went to school. And if you simply cannot resist the elitism, at least spell your words properly. “You’re” not “your” and “root” not “route”.
by hornalum08 on Nov 30, 2008 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
believe it or not, you’ve caused the first smile to cross my face in about a day and a half. Thanks… I guess.
by BrooklynHorn on Dec 1, 2008 4:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to be a student/graduate of the University of Texas to be a fan?
I bleed burnt orange just as much as the next person. I’m from the great state of Texas and I choose to be a fan of Texas athletics. Just because I didn’t graduate from UT doesn’t make me less of a Longhorn.
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 30, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Second that
I’m an Texas-ex, but do we only want to allow alumni to support our team? Do you realize how much (less) money would come in to the program and merchandising popularity if we restricted who could be a fan to that (alumni)?? I’m sorry, but IMNSHO if Texas captured your imagination, you get to pull for them & opine openly until the day you die.
Hook ’em!
by HalfmileHorn on Nov 30, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My dad...
graduated at VMI with a basketball scholarship, and is Texas Exes due to my mom being an alumn. Let’s just say my dad is not a Texas Exes Life Member by donating to OU.
by BlinkOneGun on Dec 1, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no you don't but you might wanna do a lil'homework before you pop off
especially to one of the founding fathers…ur lucky it wasn’t someone like 54b, he’s crapped bigger than you [and then blogged about it in a pithy manner the following day!]
by longhornJ on Dec 1, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I watch protesters outside of my military installation on a weekly basis. You know what, they'll never shut down this base.
by HornsFaninCalifornia on Nov 30, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
First off
One I served our country too and I thank you for serving as well. Second why are you so against a protest? What else are we left to do? Let OU who we beat on neutral ground play in the Big 12 championship game. That is BS and how can you stand for it if you call yourself a Longhorn and bleed orange.
by dcallner on Nov 30, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Let’s all print up some signs and meet in front of the BCS National Headquarters Building tomorrow. We’ll have a protest! That’ll show ’em.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a protest but a boycott
I plan to watch exactly one bowl game this year. The one bowl that Texas goes too. And unless it’s the NC game all bowl games are meaningless (except for the month of extra practice).
Until there’s a play-off I think I’ll pass on the bowls…
10 game reg-season, 32 team play-off with the higher seed playing at home. Final two play at a bowl. (I bet Texas would love the extra home games and none of the travel.) All FBS conference champions get an auto invite then fill the rest of the field.
Two teams would play 15 games compared to the 14 they play now in conferences with a CCG.
by Forty on Nov 30, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is this?
A fucking pissing contest about who bleeds a more burnt shade of orange? Don’t tell people who is a fan and who is not. Secondly how do you think we could protest? and if we did, would anybody give a shit? We are left to do a few things:
1. Continue to pull for the horns and hope that God will give us our due, since the computers and voters won’t.
2. Hope that Chase Daniel will lay off the twinkies he has been choking on all season and live up to his heisman hype on Sat. to pull off the upset.
3. Pray for inclement weather (I’m talking extreme blizzard type shit)
4. Hope for injuries (not life threatening, or career, or season, only the kind that will last from say 7-10 o’clock at night on Sat Dec. 6th) to Bradford, Gresham, Iglesias, Murray, etc.
5. Power outages to fuck up all BCS computers, forcing the BCS to view only the human polls from the previous week.
At the end of the day all we can due is argue, bitch and hope, thats what makes it fun.
45-35 FUCKING SOONERS
by tvr'11 on Dec 1, 2008 2:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I think people would care if we protested. No it’s not a pissing contest about who bleeds more burnt orange. I just questioned if they are really fans or not because they got their panties in a bunch when I said we should protest. Well I don’t want to just sit around and argue, bitch and hope. I don’t find that fun at all. OU shouldn’t be ranked above Texas. I don’t care if Penn State is ranked above Texas. Just OU shouldn’t be ranked above Texas because we beat them.
by dcallner on Dec 1, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You just showed up at 5pm yesterday here
and question people who’ve been on this board for months and years whether we are true fans. Really?
OU shouldn’t be ranked above Texas? It’s a matter of opinion. I think most people here will agree with you, but shouting and screaming around here will not make a lick of difference. Address your protest to the voters directly, whom I’m sure will be glad to ignore your protest.
Next protest to the compusters and see if they will change their minds because of it.
by drycreek on Dec 1, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The BCS
didn’t do this, the Big 12 tiebreakers did this.
They’ll change it after this year to if 2 teams of the 3 way are within a few spots of each other in the BCS, then they look at head to head, but it will be too late for us (and when the situation finally comes up it will likely end up screwing us as well).
by tdwalsh on Nov 30, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing earlier.
The next time it will be OU with the head to head win and us ahead in the BCS.
by hornalum08 on Nov 30, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I say we change to another conference.
Maybe the big ten, Jim Tressel said they would be open to adding another team, I would’nt mind Texas playing in a conference with no championship game. Of course the travel would be heavy on ut’s pocket book. Then again it would be great for exposure in other parts of the country that don’t usually get to see Texas.
by Reb10 on Nov 30, 2008 5:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the big 10...?
if anything the SEC or the pac 10 and not even the PAC 10. texas fans dont travel enough(just being honest) let alone if we had games in wisconsin and michigan.
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on people.
Be reasonable instead of ridiculous. The 5th tiebreaker to decide the winner of the Big 12 South is slightly flawed and you want to change conferences. Give me a break.
by billyzane on Nov 30, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BZ, you are ridiculous for wanting to stay in the Big 12!
Let’s go to the Big 10, we will get to play Iowa and Purdue! Nothing says rivals like Texas vs. Minnesota for the Golden Axe!
by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great snark, 1.
On the other hand, getting rid of the B12 championship game is one of the options. If OSU had won at the right time (vs Tech), there could have been a four-way tie. (for expository sake)
What I’m saying is that other possible unforeseen combinations can occur and when you get situations like this, you cut to the chase. What if there had been a similar situation in the north at the same time?
Keep it simple. The real indictment is the contrivance called the BCS.
by whills on Nov 30, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's rotate conferences each year!
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perspective
I am not despairing as much as I thought I would with the result. We are ranked three, moved up to two in the Harris, almost won the 4 game stretch, beat OU and aTm, barely lost to Tech and we were supposed to be third or fourth in the Big 12 South. I just wanted to watch another UT game next week instead I will cheer for Mizzou. If its Fiesta I am going and I think McCoy stays because he is a competitor and because Shipley is eligible. When I watch next weeks game there is no disputing that UT won both convincingly. Except for schedule I am not convinced OU is hotter than UT. I thought OSU played a great game last night. It was highly entertaining and almost was just a 3 point margin loss.
by mtntrance on Nov 30, 2008 6:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
One positive
The only good thing to come out of this is the BIG 12 will change its tie-breaker rules to eliminate the lowest ranked team and use a head to head record for the 2 remaining teams
It sucks we were on the losing end of this situation and were the guinea pigs to make the change
by memphizbell on Nov 30, 2008 6:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dont see why b12 thought it was good in first place
by ibleedburntorange49-9 on Nov 30, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably didn't foresee it
No one saw this cluster coming. Seriously, what are the odds? And I’m for changing the rule, but I doubt it will ever be relevant again.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 30, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guarantee you
that when it is finally relevant again, we’ll be 1 spot higher than ou after losing to them and we’ll be screwed again.
by tdwalsh on Nov 30, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be so sure
Freak things in college football happen. And this could happen again (although I would think it would be more likely to end up against the cowboys).
I personally like the SEC tie breaker.
The Southeastern Conference tiebreaker says that in the event of a three-way tie, the team that is rated the highest will be the division champion unless the second-highest team is within five places in the BCS standings. Then it reverts to head-to-head competition. You can bet emphasis is added. And you can bet that the Big 12 will revisit this rule after the season.
45-35
by Hook'em13 on Nov 30, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Won't that just push all the anxiety
to the ranking of the lower ranked team? Is it BCS ranking you are talking about, or some other ranking?
by Bevo1 on Nov 30, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bcs
Using the BCS rankings, in the new scenario, Texas Tech would be eliminated. If the other 2 teams are within 5 spots of each other, then head to head will be used to break the tie.
by memphizbell on Nov 30, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw that within 5 spots bs
Just use head to head. The BCS should not be taken into account to eliminate more than one team.
by tvr'11 on Dec 1, 2008 2:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe next year
Now I’m going to get a t-shirt that says .9351-.9223. You can have crappy orange 45-35 shirt. That game was a joke flawed with all kinds of bad calls that even all of my Texas friends talk about. Bottom line- OU is OU and you’re Texas. Glad to see that the shorthorns will no longer be rooting for us to win just to keep their so called dream season alive.
by boom 'em on Nov 30, 2008 6:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Funny...
When I read “OU is OU” that’s exactly what I thought…a BCS joke…I don’t think it’s going to be any different this year for them.
by EyesOTexas on Nov 30, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I have learned about OU fans since im married to one is there the biggest bunch of fucking crybabies i have seen. instead of getting a .9351-.9223 wouldnt it be better if you got a shirt that says a computer says were better but yall still kicked our ass. if you wanna go off computer ranking ill make one that figures what percentage there is of OU getting there asses handed to them in the NC game right now its sitting at 100%. retarded thing of this is your over here talking shit and your record is the same as ours you claim to glory is you beat TEch will then go agrue on there board cause we kicked your retarded crimson ass
by Bchildress on Nov 30, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Looks like Springfield has a discipline problem...
yeah, maybe that’s why we beat you in football nearly half the time."
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 30, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and you can have Norman, I'll take Austin
you know, good food, good music, culture, intellect, and a damned fine kick-back-and-enjoy lifestyle.
Meanwhile, If God were going to give the country an enema, he’d administer it through Norman.
by Bobster on Nov 30, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now the real question thing to root for
Is for Colt to stay for his senior season. With Colt back to lead this team (and mentor Gilbert for a season) along with the young talent and Muschamp’s D, we will be primed to win it all.
by hoogs on Nov 30, 2008 6:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's not leaving...
I don’t have any secret inside source or anything, but seriously, I don’t see him leaving. maybe OU going to the Big 12 champ instead of Texas would help seal the decision to stay…even if he was thinking about leaving.
by EyesOTexas on Nov 30, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you think that...
I didn’t think Charles and especially Finley would leave. But if Colt is told that he can be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, I just feel like that would be hard for him to pass up. Maybe the fact that Stafford and Bradford are likely gone helps him stay in Austin one more year—in a QB-heavy draft, he’s not likely to go near the top of the group.
by hoogs on Nov 30, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mack Brown
is the greatest person I’ve ever known and he will push Colt in the direction that will best help him in his life not what’s best for Texas. If Colt will go a first round draft then Mack will direct him to go in that direction. I remember when I first meet Mack Brown I walked into his office and told him how much I wanted to play for Texas and he just got up out of his seat and put his arm around me and said Welcome to Texas there is some paperwork you got to fill out before you walk on.
by dcallner on Nov 30, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's great
Great story, and I agree that Mack is a great guy. Mack advises and let’s students make their own decisions, which is great. Colt will definitely not be a first rounder (I would see him a 3rd or 4th rounder), but if he feels he is ready for the NFL then Mack will not dissuade him.
All that considered, it would still be terrible for the Horns to have to start a Freshman in Gilbert or gulp Chiles!
by hoogs on Nov 30, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd start Chiles. You know, he's only missed two passes this season
Haha. 11-13, 2 TDs, no INTs, 149 yards, 84.6%, an efficiency rating of 231.7.
Ah, what we find in the details.
by whills on Nov 30, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Garbage time
lets see what happens when he’s getting playing time when the game isn’t out of reach.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The point isn't that he's great; it is that we do have back-ups
who are much more experienced than when the season started.
by whills on Nov 30, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
Starting Chiles isn’t something to even joke about. The thought makes me cringe more than to see OU run onto the field in Miami. I like JC but he can start in the 4th quarter with us up by 42.
by seth78 on Nov 30, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least our back-ups have some experience...
Unlike OU…
Anybody count the times that Stoops reiterated that they beat Tech by 44?
by tvr'11 on Dec 1, 2008 2:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
That is critical. Without Colt next year, we’ll have real problems.
by mikey 4 on Nov 30, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree..
Chiles is waiting in the wings!
by the1austin on Nov 30, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could not agree more.
Mack said it himself, we would be nowhere near where we are now without #12.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing our current streak of luck...
He probably loses by one vote to Bradford.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 30, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say slim...
If he was playing in the Big 12 champ game, different story.
by EyesOTexas on Nov 30, 2008 6:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What really sucks is
that if you swap Texas and OU in The Wolfe and Sagarin ratings, we’re going to KC. OU edged us out by .44 in the Sagarin, and .029 in Wolfe. You have to figure that had Mizzou beaten Kansas, we would at least have stayed ahead in the Wolfe, if not Sagarin. Just something else to drink about tonight.
by ctex80 on Nov 30, 2008 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Our best chance of seeing Colt get the Heisman
Knock out all of the Mizzou players prior to the game. Tie them up and hide them somewhere. Then Colt and our guys wear their jerseys, beat down OU and then we would go on to play for the national title. Actually, Colt would have to throw a few blatant picks at the end. We wouldn’t want Chase Daniel to sneak back into Heisman contention.
by seth78 on Nov 30, 2008 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if I may vent, irrationally, for a bit
I believe that 2008 may be best remembered for me as the year my hatred for Tech surpassed my hatred for OU. I know we’re supposed to hate the sooners right now, but when I close my eyes, all I see is red and black.
Maybe its the egregious holding that ONLY THEY seem to get away with, or Graham Harrell’s “douche-bag of the year” smirk, or that idiot with the painted face and mohawk, or Brent Musburger’s infatuation with “the Mad Scientist,” but I just can’t seem to muster the same anger toward OU.
To me, OU is just being OU. They always win 10 or 11 games. The X-factor this year was that nobody expected Tech to jump up and cause a three-way tie. Any other year, and the head-to-head would have been enough to put us past the sooners, but NOOOOOOO, Tech chooses this year to get over that seemingly-insurmountable hump in the win column. That, and the fact that they broke our hearts twice this season – yesterday’s close call against Baylor left me feeling every bit as bad as I did after our own loss in Lubbock – I could swear they did it on purpose.
Maybe I’m just used to OU’s shit. But Tech will inspire the most satisfying revenge for me in 09.
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 30, 2008 7:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what a shitty team to have fuck us over
tech nearly lost to Baylor and Nebraska at home, played like shit at A&M and Nevada and got exposed in Norman.
Tech should be 9-3. We got fucking hosed.
by jtabor on Nov 30, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The way I see it
in my totally irrational, off the cuff current state of mind, is that this Tech team was no better than any other Tech team in recent years. They easily could have lost to Nebraska and Texas, and in that case, their throttling in Norman wouldn’t have been all that surprising. But the chips fell their way in key games and they took their usual 9-3 roster and got 11-1 out of it.
I know I shouldn’t hate a team for their success, but I just feel like they’re more annoying this year than OU, and the timing could not have been worse. This was maybe the most most likable Longhorn roster in my lifetime.
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 30, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
All the talk of this Tech team having turned a corner because of their defense was completely unwarranted. They had an improved running game and they had Crabtree, but at the end of the day they were a 3 loss team that got very lucky in key situations.
And the cruel result? Tech doesn’t benefit at all, but allows OU to jump us for the BigXII championship while after we beat then soundly and finished with an equal record. Such a bad taste this situation leaves in your mouth.
by jtabor on Nov 30, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Change Conferences
To bad Texas can’t just go to the Independant conference like N.D. Couldn’t see us in the Big 10 nor the Sec the Pac 10 would be a joke.
by kcmorse on Nov 30, 2008 7:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if we were an independent we'd be in the national championship game this year
no doubt about it
by jtabor on Nov 30, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Baylor / Mizz
one thing we all should remember is No one gave baylor a snow balls chance in hell to beat tech and had it not been for 2 stupid penalties they would have done it you give them that INT or that fumble and they beat Tech. Im giving Missouri a slight chance just cause its Saturday and they might fool us all. OU knocked them out of NC game last year so maybe thats on there minds and they play better than they have all season
by Bchildress on Nov 30, 2008 7:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Chase Daniel
is still the Missouri QB
by BrooklynHorn on Nov 30, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford Hurt
Sam Bradford tore some ligaments in his non-throwing hand and will need surgery. He will have surgery after the Big 12 Title. Also, he will be wearing a small cast this weekend. Does anyone know how this may or may not effect his play?
Also Austin Box, middle linebacker, sprained a ligament in his left knee and will be out for the next three to four weeks.
by TexasEx01 on Nov 30, 2008 7:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
kid's got guts
hating on ou is easy, but i can’t hate on the kid. he’s got guts and that helicopter leap in the osu game was manning up big time to a crucial game. hope he does well although i don’t see much of a pro career for him ala jason white.
by iamjackburton on Nov 30, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it may cause him to fumble some snaps
as we saw twice against OSU.
by jtabor on Nov 30, 2008 8:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OU 1.0 vs OU 2.0
I dont understand this arguement..so the pollsters think that they’re better now after their loss…weren’t they the #1 team in the nation? Were they playing awful? No. Its the same team that Texas beat.
by nyclonghorngal on Nov 30, 2008 8:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Texas 1.0 vs Texas 2.0
frankly this “OU 2.0” crap is just that, crap…it’s a justification for ignoring a head-to-head defeat BUT if that is an argument they want to continue to use then Texas 2.0 would defeat Texas Tech 2.0 so then we’re in the same 3 way tie and we go to the tie-breaker which is also crap. It is nice to hear that all (mainstream media)agree the system is broken—Oklahoma made it through a loophole that will likely be fixed, adding further illegitimacy of OU representing the South in the Big 12 Champ.
by EyesOTexas on Nov 30, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i hate this rooting for your confrence crap
its BS i root for the teams i like and against the teams i dont, i hope ou loses in the big 12 title and then goes to the cotton bowl and gets beat by OLE MISS. yeah thats right i said it, and you know what, im predicting it to.
If i thought 35>45 then i would be a student at oklahoma
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 30, 2008 9:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Seek help
BZ, are you & Peter stoned? Come on man, get help. You 2 have to be on some bad stuff. I have suffered enough…
Roll Tide or Go Gators!! Mizzou couldn’t beat their way out of a wet paper bag.
by HalfmileHorn on Nov 30, 2008 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No one said Mizzou is going to win.
I said I’m rooting for Mizzou to win, and if it happens to occur, Texas will go to the national championship game. Everyone needs to calm down and read exactly what I said.
by billyzane on Dec 1, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bonus "ou sucks" trains of thought
espn’s college football show has been featuring a ton of people decrying ou jumping ut in the polls. i love it! i don’t think i’ve heard from anyone who wasn’t an ou homer defending this ranking. besides the fact that the big 12’s utterly nonsensical tiebreaking system is getting a major whuppin’ and is sure to be due for a change, ou is getting so little respect for jumping ut i’m just giddy.
by iamjackburton on Nov 30, 2008 9:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As Mr. Burns would say "Excellent"...
If these dumb sooners make it to Miami, I know they will get killed by whatever team they play, embarrass the Big 12, and hopefully it will knock some sense into them that it is time to change up it’s stupid system.
by bevo4president on Nov 30, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas football
If you can serously look at yourself in the mirror and not fight for Texas to be in the Big 12 championship game then you are not a longhorn nor a texas fan. Please don’t waste any of your time pretending that you are and go play whatever games you like to play. I wish that we could meet on neutral field and play a game of football cause I would love nothing more than to knock your block off. Any response to this that’s negative means you are not even close to being a longhorn and are a worthless piece of shit.
by dcallner on Nov 30, 2008 9:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dude, calm the fuck down
You’re sitting here whining that we’re not doing anything about it (what the hell can we do), while you’re behind your computer… NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, and instead taking your anger out on other UT fans.
What’s ironic is you’re not doing a damn thing either other than irritating us on this thread. If you want to do something about this travesty, get off your computer and follow your own words. Protest. Good luck.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 30, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dcallner: Joined Burnt Orange Nation - 11/30/08 5:53 PM EST
Banned from BON – Tomorrow? Wednesday? Does he last a week?
by Wells on Nov 30, 2008 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he can write complete sentences so he isn't Dhab.
by hornalum08 on Nov 30, 2008 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like reason enough to update the poll on the front page
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 30, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not fair!
I bet you had inside information when you made that prediction.
by Hopkins Horn on Dec 1, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Calling people names
does not make you a good fan or anything else worth mentioning. Please do not come here and start trouble. If you did some reading before you posted your smut you’d realize that there are tons of outstanding UT fans here. You are the furthest from a respectable fan at this point.
I’m not sure what you are proposing to do, but there is a system in place and we must work withing the system now. If you want to change the rules, great. Contact the AD or talk to the Big12 directly and propose your changes, but stop attacking people here.
Believe me, no matter what you do this week, Texas will not play in the Big 12 CG next weekend. That ship has sailed when the BCS voters and computers made their decision. It’s too bad, but it’s done. Accept it and move on.
by drycreek on Nov 30, 2008 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it all comes down to
the media always looks for an excuse to give blow u a blowjob, just like with usc and lsu ( i mean how are u in the bcs championship last year with 2 losses… really…) they LOVE OU and bobby the ball licker and im sure they couldnt have scripted this better themselves…. o wait they did script it themselves
45>35
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Nov 30, 2008 11:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Ole Miss fan?
How do you like Nutt as coach?
One of my friends is a huge Arkansas fan and couldn’t stand the guy. I know you guys have had a pretty good season but I can’t say I follow the SEC too closely.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Dec 1, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Houston is awesome
no offense to ur friend but they are stupid for letting houston nutt slip through there fingers. he got them to an sec championship 2 years ago, and all they really had was darren mcfadden and felix jones, the only reason they dont like him is because of the mitch mustain fiasco. houston was getting threatening letters and phone calls and thats why he left really, he was still getting crap even after he beat lsu, the national champion of that season, at home. i mean think about this… we go from a combined record under coach o of 10-26. the only sec teams we beat were vanderbilt 2 times and ms state once. and the the reverend comes in and changes the attitude, and we go from 3-9, to 8-4 and being the only team in the country that has beat florida. i could go on for about 2 hours but in short every one here loves him and we wouldnt want any other coach in the country right now. and im pretty sure i can speak for every rebel on the planet when i say that.
Heres to the nastiest defense in college football 2008-2009
by Olemissreb451 on Dec 1, 2008 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nutt is a great coach.
Houston Nutt is one of the most underrated coaches in the country. How I wish Bill Byrne had some imagination and went after Nutt or Paul Johnson.
by PrimeTime2012 on Dec 1, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i
Hotty Toddy and Hook'em Horns.
by Olemissreb451 on Dec 1, 2008 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The media?
I think the only media representation in this voted for Texas (they are part of the harris poll).
It was the computers who ended up screwing us, and I don’t think the program in OU bias.
by Wells on Dec 1, 2008 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the fact remains
the media put ou in this position in the first place
Hotty Toddy and Hook'em Horns.
by Olemissreb451 on Dec 1, 2008 12:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
look at the history of the voting this year
i’m not gonna cry and moan about how we got screwed, although we did, but there was a strong bias towards ou over texas all year in the media. the best example, and proof, is how the coaches rankings fell after texas lost to tech. after texas lost to tech, on the last play of possibly the 4 hardest games played all year, ou some how jumped texas in the usa today pole. please keep in mind that this was well before ou beat tech. in the same game span ou played 1 ranked opponent, ku. texas played 3 top 11 teams. no excuse for ranking ou like that, except bs bias that are not valid
by wishiwasalonghorn on Dec 1, 2008 1:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But in the end that did not matter
it was the computers that put them over the top, therefore the media has nothing to do with this.
by Wells on Dec 1, 2008 1:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
False
While the human polls weren’t the deciding factor, I believe it does not come down to placement in the polls, but points. The media put us in the in the hole that we had to dig out of today…if that hole was not quite as deep, the computers could have been made irrelavent with equal gains and we could be enjoying KC bbq this weekend instead of the fuckers accross the red river
by tvr'11 on Dec 1, 2008 2:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really expect
there to be that big of a gap between a 10-1 UT and a 10-1 OU, both of whom have been playing lights out?
by Wells on Dec 1, 2008 2:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the whole style points thing, and the human voters put ou in this position up to this point by vaulting them so high in the first place
Hotty Toddy and Hook'em Horns.
by Olemissreb451 on Dec 1, 2008 12:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Style Points
The human polls are all about style points. If they weren’t, they would be the computers and we would not need the humans at all. Florida would be #6 and not have a chance to play for the MNC.
But we keep the human voters because we feel that they can make a better decision and know more about football and how good a team truly is than the computers. None of the computers watched a single down this season and yet we expect themt o tell us who are the two best teams in the country. Pretty amazing I would say.
Somehow when the human voters don’t quite agree with our own personal opinion we decide that human voters and style points are the bane of our existence. You can’t have it both ways. If you don’t like style points base everything on the computer rankings, but don’t complain next year when Texas is #5 due to a down year in the Big 12.
by drycreek on Dec 1, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look im not gonna sit here and argue about this, we got screwed and thats the end of it, o well.
Hotty Toddy and Hook'em Horns.
by Olemissreb451 on Dec 1, 2008 12:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good Points
1. We should be ticked off at the Big 12 Conference set up. The tie breaker shouldn’t even be left to the BCS. I heard a good valid point todoay on the radio – the tie breaker should be made by the coaches in the conference not involved, then if there’s a tie at that point in time, then go back to the head to head…which should have been the first and only consideration (unless the two teams did not face each other). I know that there are “cronies” that support their coaching family tree, but that comes back to where we are now – just as bad as having the U Conn coach having a say in the BCS standings with his coaches poll vote.
2. And HELL YEAH – root against the Sooners!!!! What Longhorn fan wouldn’t? It’s just like the Red Sox – Yankees, UNC – Duke…some things are meant to be…like the sun coming up in the morning!
by Veeks! on Dec 1, 2008 1:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
1. Texas still has avenues to the national championship. Let’s hope one of those avenues happens, preferably the one where Mizzou beats OU.
2. If UT isn’t in the national championship, I would be very, very proud of Mack, DeLoss, and the team if they made a joint decision to flip the bird to the BCS and go to the Cotton Bowl instead. That would be the ultimate revenge. I know there’s a money difference, but cripes, UT LOST MONEY ON BOTH THE ROSE BOWLS. Not that UT needs the money at all, but the lower payout of the Cotton would be more than offset by the much, much lower cost of busing the band and such up to Dallas instead of flying half the university to and putting them up in hotels in Miami.
3. Yes, I realize that #2 would never happen. Crap.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 1, 2008 9:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha at
Nick Saban being the devil. I think I shit myself laughing at that statement.
by TexasFight7 on Dec 1, 2008 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Almost forgot to post...
I came onto the thread and almost forgot to post after reading.
First off, there is a very SLIM chance of Florida beating Alabama and NOT getting the 1 or 2 spot in the BCS. Here’s why:
Florida will pick up atleast 70% of the 1st place votes in both polls, and the rest will be 2nd place votes. I dont see anybody other than an idiot voting Florida 3rd or lower if they beat Alabama. Their Harris and Coaches poll ranking will trump Texas’, something to the tune of .9600+ in both polls. I think Texas can hope to get up to .9200 in both human polls, but probably not more that .9250.
In addition, Florida will jump up to .9000 in the computer standing, minimum. I predict their computer average scores to be around 23, due to the immediate Alabama drop in the computer rankings. An average of 23 in counted computer polls would give them .9200. If it only gives them .9000 or .9100, I think that will still be more than enough with their projected human points to put them above Texas.
Our hopes need to be with Mizzou. We need to hope Maclin is healthy, Chase Daniel can see over the line, and 0U takes a big Stoops all over themselves.
It would be an outside shot if we got in by out BCSing Florida, and I would love to go to the MNC any way possible. But I wouldn’t want to screw Florida out of an MNC game by back dooring them that way. But if we do, maybe next year they wont play Citadel.
Our computer schedule is what kept us out of the Big Xii Championship game and our “control your own destiny” shot at the MNC. We scheduled weaker teams (Rice, UTEP, FAU) and it’s OUR fault that we’re in the position we’re in. If I could find a way to look up old posts (from LAST YEAR) I’d like to link when I said “I’d rather play the most difficult schedule and be the first 1-loss team voted INTO the #1 or #2 spot than an undefeated team left OUT of it because of a poor SoS.”
By the way. Excellent analysis, as always, BZ.
-flo
by bleed burnt orange on Dec 1, 2008 1:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Big 12 North has become a joke.
I’m so tired of seeing some garbage come out of the North every year and play in the Big 12 Championship game. The last 8 years there have been about two or three Big 12 North Teams that have actually deserved to be there. I remember a couple of ye

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