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Very briefly, I'm just wondering a few things about the brains (or lack thereof) of the voters in the human polls.

-Someone mind telling me why the humans continue to love USC?  Let us look at their resume:

1.  Whipped Ohio State.  While impressive, it should be noted that Ohio State simply wasn't very good at this point in the season.  They barely beat Ohio, for crying out loud.  They've rebounded with Pryor, but this game was before that.

2.  Whipped bad Pac-10 teams.  Congratulations on beating scrubs...

3.  ...except Oregon State, who was unranked.  And are still unranked.  And got thrashed by Penn State.

I am still waiting in vain for someone to give me a good argument as to why USC deserves to have the love of the human voters.  I know the reason already:  The media loves them and doesn't want to be wrong.  USC is one of the most talented teams in the country, without a doubt.  That doesn't mean they deserve such bias, and just having better talent on paper doesn't mean we should excuse bad losses like that.

-Florida has a lot better resume than USC, but they too lost to an unranked team.  At home in the Swamp.  That is not good.  Their wins against Georgia and LSU are impressive, at the least (although you can argue both teams are overrated), which should definitely put them ahead of the Trojans in any rational person's mind.

-On other hand, Oklahoma's only loss is in classic game against Texas.  Oklahoma State's only loss is to Texas in Austin.  Texas' only loss is to Texas Tech in Lubbock, after a very brutal stretch and in a game where the Horns were clearly banged up and out of sync (and still nearly stole).  Tech is undefeated and even if they lose their next two, they'd be to OSU and OU, who are both top ten teams.  I think the Big 12 has proven their worth this year.

-Alabama is undefeated and thus deserves the #1 ranking, but even their resume isn't as dazzling as SEC people want us to believe.  They pounced on Georgia, but Georgia also lost big to Florida.  They beat a #9 Clemson team that clearly did not deserve that preseason ranking at all (they didn't deserve ANY ranking, apparently).  Other than that, they haven't beaten anyone of note.  They get a good chance against LSU.

-This year, the BCS should just include Big 12 teams, SEC teams, Penn State, and USC (and an undefeated Utah or Boise State).  The other conferences are trash and it's embarrassing for college football.  The BCS should get rid of that stupid two team limit per conference rule.  Sorry, Big East fans, but while I tried to defend your conference as Louisville and WVU came to the forefront the last two years... it's hard to continue to do so now.  Petrino and Rodriguez may be hated (I particularly dislike Petrino), but it's no question they brought a level of legitimacy to that conference.

-The Big 10 should stop being pansies.  Either add a freakin' championship game or do what the Pac-10 does and play every single team in your conference every year.  Otherwise, shut the crap up about that long layoff time to the bowl games.  Before our brutal stretch, I compared our schedule to Penn State's, and all I could think was, "This is incredibly and stupidly unfair."  Remember, even if we win out and make it to the Big 12 title game, we still have to play either Kansas or Missouri, both good teams who would like nothing more than to have revenge and spoil our season.

-I think even with the current BCS mindset used within a playoff, there'd be monstrous controversy this year, maybe even more so if we didn't have a playoff.  Who the heck would want to see the Big East champion and the ACC champion get in this tournament over some SEC or Big 12 teams?

-Basically... the human voters are morons.  Now I should go study.

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Big 12 this year...

The Big 12 this year is suffering something I like to call the SEC Poll effect. When the rankings first had Texas OU and Missouri in the top 10ish at the start of the season, it made way for the teams to move up as the others in the top 10 fell. Now that they are playing each other and Tech and OSU are in the mix, you can do this “They are in the top 10 so it’s not that bad of a loss” thing and keep everybody ranked high. This may be the truth this season but sometimes it is unwarranted.

This is why I hate polls.

Living vicariously through Deon Beasley

by inVINCEable on Nov 5, 2008 8:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

if baby OSU beats Tech....

who will be ranked highest in the BCS?

I think it will likely be us, considering our computer average dominates the two, atleast until either Tech or OkState beats OU.

-flo

by bleed burnt orange on Nov 5, 2008 10:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Probably #2

If OSU beats Tech this week (GO POKES!), I’m guessing we’d rise to #2, especially if we thrash Baylor. Provided Bama beats LSU (which might not happen) I think they’d retain their #1 ranking.
I agree with the USC lovefest. For some reason the media has a huge bias for them. They are loaded with talent, but play in the weakest of the big 6 conferences (that’s right, I think the PAC-10 is weaker than the Big East). It’s ok though, that Oregon State loss killed their title chances very early in the season. The best they can hope for is a Rose Bowl appearance, which they probably will get. Thank goodness the AP poll does not matter in the BCS system anymore.
Here is a very interesting article on why the PAC-10 is so weak, and it’s all USC’s fault:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-uscrecruits110408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Steelers Roll Left!

by Drewmonsta on Nov 5, 2008 10:09 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Shadow: You're sure right

about the Big Ten. That league plays eight conference games and misses two opponents. The league champ ALMOST ALWAYS dodges one of the other top teams, there is no playoff, and typical Big Ten non-conference schedule does not include many (if any) road games (10 total trips among the 11 teams this season).

I’ll credit Ohio State with the home-and-homes with Texas, USC and Miami (2010-11); the real Miami, by the way. Penn State misses Northwestern and Minnesota (both ranked or recently ranked) this season.

by edsp on Nov 5, 2008 1:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Four points

1) The Big Ten CAN’T add a championship game. The NCAA won’t let a conference have one unless it has 12 teams. The Big Ten does not. Also, playing 10 conference games is impractical (especially considering the number of Notre Dame rivalries in conference; those teams would be left with just one game to schedule) and nine is impossible (odd number of teams and odd number of games, the math doesn’t work).
2) Minnesota and Northwestern are fringe top-25 teams, at the high end of the middle pack in the Big Ten but pretty clearly 4th and 5th in the pecking order. That’s not far above average for which teams to skip. (Minnesota, in fact, is probably slightly overrated because they don’t play PSU or MSU; I doubt they get anywhere near the polls if they lead off the conference season with those two.)
3) Ohio State last year missed out on Indiana and Iowa, neither of whom finished with a winning conference record. In ‘06 they missed Wisconsin and Purdue (Wisconsin finished tied for second) but played two teams ranked #2 at the time during the regular season (Texas and Michigan).
4) If you want to talk about dodging top opponents, you can’t get much worse than Kansas last year (who missed three of the top four in the Big XII aside from themselves and played all kinds of patsies in non-conference play). The championship game mitigates this effect to a degree, but does not eliminate it (at least for North teams; the South usually has no problem since they all have to play each other).

by SpartanDan on Nov 6, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info

However, I don’t think it is at all uncalled for to have the Big 10 play at least one more conference game. They just finish their season way too early.

I agree about Kansas and the North, which is why many people argue that the top two teams from the Big 12 should get to the championship game, not necessarily the winner of each division. It wouldn’t have made a difference last year because Mizzou definitely deserved to go, but this year, there’s no question, despite the fact that Missouri and Kansas are decent teams, the strength of the conference has reverted heavily back to the South.

by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 6, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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