Backup Center Buck Burnette Kicked Off Team
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Texas sophomore center Buck Burnette has left the Longhorns because of a violation of team rules. Coach Mack Brown just issued a statement on Burnette. However, there were no specifics on what rule Burnette violated. Burnette is a former Wimberley High School standout. He has played in seven of Texas’ nine games as a backup offensive lineman.
That's certainly out of left field... I've not heard anything previously on this kid being a problem. Certainly a loss for our OL depth, but also a concern for the impact on this guy's future. Whatever it was, I hope Buck gets his act together and finds his way back on the field - somewhere.
UPDATE, 9:30 pm by PB: As you all know, politics and religion are not topics open for discussion at BON.
Buck Burnette's dismissal is the result of him posting to his Facebook page an extremely immature, intolerant, and hateful remark about President-Elect Barack Obama. Upon learning of what he posted, Mack Brown dismissed him from the team.
Burnette subsequently apologized: "Clearly I have made a mistake and apologized for it and will pay for it. I received it as a text message from an acquaintance and immaturely put it up on facebook in the light of the election. Im not racist and apologize for offending you. I grew up on a ranch in a small town where that was a real thing and I need to grow up. I sincerely am sorry for being ignorant in thinking that it would be ok to write that publicly and apologize to you in particular. I have to be more mature than to put the reputation of my team at stake and to spread that kind of hate which I dont even believe in. Once again, I sincerely apologize."
Though it's good to see Burnette apologize (if not take full responsibility), I applaud the coaches for doing the right thing. Burnette's remarks are offensive to any American, but must have been especially hurtful to his African-American teammates. Finally, such threats of violence--even if made in jest--are wholly unacceptable.
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wow that was extremely random
haven’t heard anything negative about this team in a while.
by clra2 on Nov 5, 2008 8:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
Pretty sure it’s nothing academic. Very very unexpected.
As of depth chart, it seemed that Snow has already passed him, and Walters is coming next year.
In Mack Brown We Trust!
by Cyrus on Nov 5, 2008 8:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This has to be something quite serious.
Mack’s normally sets up punishment and gives a second chance, recognizing these are young men and don’t have adult judgment as a general rule.
A straight kick-off means he did something way over the line.
by whills on Nov 5, 2008 8:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I dont buy it
Where are you getting this information??? The depth chart for baylor still has him 2nd string
Mack Brown didnt address it either
by koryg10 on Nov 5, 2008 8:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Geez...
… I wonder who he voted for…
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT AN INVITATION TO DISCUSS POLITICS. THIS IS MERELY A CONTEXT JOKE.
by Horn Brain on Nov 5, 2008 8:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ding Ding Ding - We have a winner...
… maybe. Apparently posted racist comments concerning Obama on his Facebook page. I have zero first hand knowledge of this so, grain of salt much? Any way, I read about it over on another Texas site forum that recently split from another site and is probably better off for it.
by urbanzero on Nov 5, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
urbanzero pleae tell me you're lying
Can you link to that forum?
by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, this is bizarre
I am very curious to know what he did to merit being kicked off the team. In light of the fact that Mack gave Lamarr Houston a second chance earlier this year (after a 1 game suspension), you have to assume that Buck did something really, really stupid.
Here’s an Excerpt from the ESPN article.
Burnette was listed as the Longhorns’ second-string center behind starter Chris Hall. Burnette had seen action in 20 games with the Longhorns, including one start. He had played in seven of the Longhorns’ nine games this season, missing the Colorado and Oklahoma games with an injury.
Freshman David Snow now will be the Longhorns prime reserve behind Hall going into Saturday’s game against Baylor.
by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A distraction we don't need
But I trust Mack made the right call. Leaving him on the team could’ve been a bigger distraction. But we may never know.
by BigTexBD on Nov 5, 2008 9:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
racist comment on facebook
Directed towards Obama.
by whoopspat on Nov 5, 2008 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
c'mon, I love Mack, but wtf. Give the kid another chance.

In Mack Brown We Trust!
by Cyrus on Nov 5, 2008 9:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why would you even want to know?
Nothing good can come of knowing that info.
Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture
by run Bevo run on Nov 5, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh please.
Like this isn’t going to be all over PTI and Around the Horn tomorrow. I want to know what a UT player said online that was responsible for him getting kicked off the team.
Anyway, I found a forum that has a quote of the alleged remarks. For those of you, obviously other than run Bevo run, who are curious to know what a Texas Longhorn published that will no doubt give the program some negative publicity in the coming days, feel free to click here.
by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot believe
How lightly you cast aside the real life of a KID, to appease your want for information. Sure we all want to watch a train wreck, it doesn’t make it right.
Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture
by run Bevo run on Nov 5, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
I was stunned when I heard the news. I wanted to know what on earth a player at UT could possibly say that would merit an immediate removal from the team. Are you really trying to condemn me for wanting to know what the statement was?
As a minority, I have witnessed “outrage” over comments time and time again by people who are eager to paint others as racists or that just don’t know how to respond whenever a questionable statement is uttered. Often times, comments are taken out of context and a persons otherwise stellar reputation can be tarnished permanently when people rush to take the moral high ground. Other times, true racism can be exposed. In order to formulate my own opinion as to whether his dismissal was warranted, I sought out and found the quote. If you have a problem with that, then so be it.
by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
???
Does it make you feel good to know what he said? Have you judged whether he is a racist or not?
Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture
by run Bevo run on Nov 5, 2008 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does it make me feel good? How old are you? What's wrong with you?
Luckily, I am in no position to “judge” him. The information’s out there, and I have every right to seek out what comments were so outrageous as to merit the immediate dismissal of a player who previously had a solid reputation as a player and student. Your “shock” that people would want to know what words could warrant a dismissal, when several Longhorns have only been suspended for criminal arrests, is perplexing.
Previously, only felony convictions were enough to lead Mack to dismiss a player from the team. This is a whole other animal. I think most of us want to know what led to this.
by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
This little chain is going nowhere. It’s a very sad situation regardless of how you handle it, so let’s not fight with each other over how to think about this.
The comments are going to be disabled if anyone starts a shouting match, so just be mindful. Thanks, guys.
by Horn Brain on Nov 5, 2008 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right HB
Imagine the audacity of me trusting Mack Brown’s judgment. Nice sig Cyrus. I’m out.
Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture
by run Bevo run on Nov 5, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There ya go:
“all the hunters gather up, we have a %# in the whitehouse”
In Mack Brown We Trust!
by Cyrus on Nov 5, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He also (according to the link) issued an apology
Clearly I have made a mistake and apologized for it and will pay for it. I received it as a text message from an acquaintance and immaturely put it up on facebook in the light of the election. Im not racist and apologize for offending you. I grew up on a ranch in a small town where that was a real thing and I need to grow up. I sincerely am sorry for being ignorant in thinking that it would be ok to write that publicly and apologize to you in particular. I have to be more mature than to put the reputation of my team at stake and to spread that kind of hate which I dont even believe in. Once again, I sincerely apologize.
by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Feel bad for the kid
He is just a kid grown up in probably an all-white small town. I wish he could get a chance to play and also learn from his mistakes. But you can’t have him on the team with so many African American players and future recruits.
In Mack Brown We Trust!
by Cyrus on Nov 5, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I take it back!
I read an incorrect quote. The actual thing is unbelievably racist, and he has no place on the team.
In Mack Brown We Trust!
by Cyrus on Nov 5, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good for Mack
Quick, decisive action that was absolutely necessary.
by Longhorn in Canada on Nov 5, 2008 9:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, kicking him off the team seems a little harsh.
He said it himself that the comment was sent to him by a friend (whether you want to believe it or not) and it really isn’t that bad of a comment. Seriously, my Asian and Indian (Asian as well but whatever) say things 10x as racist (no they aren’t racist, they’re just Asian) in public every day. And if this is because it is a black/white racist moment, I’ll be pissed.
He doesn’t deserve it, but he still shouldn’t have posted a racist comment that someone else mentioned to him.
by HornPossessed on Nov 5, 2008 10:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why does it matter at all where it came from if hes the one who made it public? nt//whills
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 5, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned that he shouldn't have posted it.
It’s just a little harsh for some barely 20 kids to be punished so harshly for one lapse of judgment.
by HornPossessed on Nov 5, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your friends..
..don’t represent the University, and are not held accountable for their actions. Big difference.
by vy til i die on Nov 5, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Point taken.
And everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this situation.
by HornPossessed on Nov 5, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wtf??
this is the most ridiculous ‘argument’ ive ever heard Possessed. My God. It’s not that bad a comment? Haha, your insane.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 6, 2008 2:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he deserves it
it does not matter if he got it as a text, he is the one who put it up publicly for everyone to see. Glad to see Mack take quick action
by koryg10 on Nov 5, 2008 10:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
not good
Between this and the film The Express (which has Texas as the racist team off the south against Ernie Davis), the University is developing a bad rep.
"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa
by Hook'em13 on Nov 5, 2008 10:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So sad.
Anyone that would think that saying something like that is in anyway funny or appropriate….. yeah. Incredibly immature.
Aaaaaand, +1 evidence for Facebook being the downfall of our generation.
So many people have no shame and think that for some reason negative things they post to their profile won’t reflect negatively on them.
by hornalum08 on Nov 5, 2008 10:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is very sad...
It’s a tough decision Mack had to make. Think about it. You’re the white, southern-born (they call Tennessee southern but wtf?) head coach of a very southern football program, and one of your white players publicly says something ridiculously racist that surely every one of his teammates saw on their creepy news-feed thing on Facebook. There really is no option. Trying to give him a second chance will look like Mack is sweeping it under the rug, and the risk that the team could divide itself over something like this is too great. Mack had to do this because of the position that he’s put in, as well as the fact that a member of the team expressed feelings that were hateful towards African-Americans, and therefore towards other members of the team. That’s the trick, here. He hurt the team, and so he’s gone. Tough, but fair.
I think Mack needs to sit down with the players somehow and make it clear to each of them that any action that threatens to hurt the unity of the team will be punished severely, and that’s why Buck is gone. He should explain exactly what happened and make sure that there are no unanswered questions from the players, as those will likely lead to whispers and rumors which can only bring bad things.
This sucks balls.
by Horn Brain on Nov 5, 2008 10:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Joking or not
I could see where some could say he made a threat to the President. Basically saying “let’s go hunt the President of the United States.” Not something you joke about.
by Forty on Nov 5, 2008 10:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
technically hes not the president yet
by MJY6087 on Nov 5, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mack had to, I agree
These kids know they’re under a microscope with no room for error, on and off the field. Buck exercised the worst judgment I’ve ever seen by posting that and has to pay the price.
There is no excuse to do such a dumb thing.
by BigTexBD on Nov 5, 2008 10:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So does this open up a scholarship?
"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite
by Sunkist on Nov 5, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too soon
I’m still throwing up in my mouth.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 5, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Very unfortunate
Best of luck to Buck.
Adopt-a-recruit: Devon Kennard DE
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by blazzinken on Nov 5, 2008 11:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reins of the program are in good hands.
Tough but fair decision by Brown.
by pleaseplaykindle on Nov 5, 2008 11:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely
"Nobody leaves this field until we beat the hell out of them".................... L.J."Louis"Jordan in 1913 before kickoff of the Texas/ou game.
by ouALWAYSsux on Nov 7, 2008 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
Imagine how it feels to be one of his black (former) teammates. Well, we all must learn from our mistakes. He is paying a high price for his stupidity.
by Loisaida Horn on Nov 5, 2008 11:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now can we PLEASE talk about ...
politics and religion!!
by Loisaida Horn on Nov 5, 2008 11:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Steve Czaban, "The 4 horseman of the internet apocolypse...
are Facebook, My Space, Email, and eBay."
by TXStampede on Nov 6, 2008 6:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Everyone do yourself a favor and....
delete your facebook, myspace etc.
by 2Bearnest on Nov 6, 2008 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve known Buck for many years, and know for a fact that he is not a racist. Posting a joke on the internet doesn’t make you racist, harboring hatred in your heart for those of a different race makes you racist. So before you start judging, look at the situation for what it is. Yeah, it was stupid for him to put it on facebook, but is a lapse of judgement, that doesn’t reflect his true character, really warrant dismissal from the team? Especially when compared to some of the stuff that you know goes on with other members of the team (drugs, alcohol, etc.) I understand that Mack’s hands are kind of tied, I just hope that people really look at the situation and don’t jump to wrong conclusions about Buck.
by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 10:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If that's true, I'm glad to know he's not racist
Too bad his judgement is horrible. I’m afraid this will haunt him for some time.
Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.
by zamm on Nov 6, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’m not trying to justify or defend what he did, it was wrong and stupid. I just want people to know that he’s not some racist monster.
by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
Even if he was completely joking, his teammates, many of whom are black, may have a tough time believing that. It threatens the team dynamic for someone to even joke about killing the president, or an African-American. And we know that this team is at its best when it is playing as one cohesive unit.
As an aside, cpat, you’re a Wimberleyite too or do you know Buck from elsewhere?
by TXinDC on Nov 6, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
I don’t really know what else could have been done, like I said Mack’s hand are tied. And I trust that he’s doing what’s best for the team. And I am a “Wimberleyite,” I moved there in 1998.
by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hatred is not a requirement for racism.
Belief that one’s race makes them in any way inferior or superior is racism. Hatred is often a byproduct of that belief.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
but posting a joke doesn’t mean you believe your race is superior or that another is inferior. People tell jokes all the time, that doesn’t mean they agree with what the joke implies.
by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
My experience is perhaps somewhat different than yours, but I find that such “jokes” tend to reveal exactly what a person really thinks.
But I don’t know the kid, I only know the facts: And on these facts, Mack clearly made the right move. He had no choice.
by BEHorn on Nov 6, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
victim of bad taste......
In this case it hard not to see racism b/c of the content and the timing of this “joke”. I can take into account that someone can vouch for him as not being a racist but that only carries so much merit. This hurts a little b/c I’m black, my wife’s white and we have 3 kids together, all whom WILL attend UT just like we did but this is the 2nd time this week I’ve had to defend our school against racism. Ironically, one of the 12 people that did see The Express was arguing w/ me this weekend about racism at UT. I’ll continue to defend The University of Texas, but things such as this make my argument very difficult. I’m sure he’s a good guy and i wish him nothing but the best…….To all, please try to understand the importance of this Presidency and not just from an African American’s view but from an American’s view…….Hook ’Em!!!!
I'm sort of a big deal, people know me
by slimmy on Nov 6, 2008 11:33 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Worst week possible
for this sort of behavior from a player. I remember Buck posting facebook comments about “being honored to block for Chiles”…..seems like he just got carried away talking trash with his hometown friends.
by burntup on Nov 6, 2008 11:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
Having played football I think his fate should have been decided by the team. He should have had a chance to address his team and let the them vote on his future. No one knows your character more than your teamates. Just my opinion.
by SC Horn on Nov 6, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Laws
The potential legal implications that he’s making a threat on the President’s life may preclude any “team decision”. Furthermore, the seed has been sown and a team discussion could lead to more nastiness.
by TXinDC on Nov 6, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More thoughts
“The potential legal implications” arguement is ludacris. The same statement has been past around the internet via emails thousands of times as a joke, albeit a poor one. I seriously doubt this young man would suffer any legal problems because of the sheer number of people who have posted similiar statements and the impossibility of prosecuting them. I think you are selling the young men that make up this team sort. Futhermore, I do not believe you know the dynamics of a “team”. This is, of course, just my opinion and I do not expect people to agree w/ it. I do expect people to allow me to voice it.
by SC Horn on Nov 6, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No further discussion is necessary.
Strong message from Mack, and imo the right one, not only for the team and recruiting, but for the University as a whole as well.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its about more than just football...
As important as football is and being kicked off the team is, this kid is looking at possibly getting kicked out of UT. Remember he is a STUDENT-athlete and school “is” his main concern. I have a feeling that being dismissed from the team might just be the beginning of his repercussions.
Even if his teammates did chose to keep him on the team, there would still be tension, because there is no way it would be a unanimous decision to keep him on. Mack did the right thing, as much as it sucks, it was what he had to do.
Not to mention, would you really want to play again knowing that most of your opponents are going to think you re some sort of racist country white boy. College football players are predominantly African American, if he ever does play football again, I’d advise him to expect lots of shots to the knees.
Best of luck Buck, think before you act and if anybody picks you up, get a good orthopedic surgeon
by tvr'11 on Nov 6, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting kicked out of the University?
That I don’t agree with. He has lost the privilege of playing football for the University of Texas. He should not be dismissed from the university at large for making an offensive comment on his Facebook page. Was his expulsion discussed somewhere?
by the1austin on Nov 6, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dismissed from UT
It is my understanding that he was not dismissed from The University.
He was dismissed from the football team.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
Tom Landry
by jcbates on Nov 6, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has not been dismissed from the University...
…but he was told to get out of town (he was receiving death threats) and I believe that expulsion is/was discussed. I’m not saying that he will be/should be, Im just reporting what I heard from somebody very close with the team.
by tvr'11 on Nov 6, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow that's sad
Like I thought the remarks harmed him more than anyone else.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 7, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dismissal doesn't matter
If he’s kicked from the team, he just lost his scholarship so he has to come up with some cash quickly to be able to stay at the university.
TEXAS FIGHT
by Darklust on Nov 7, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a minority
And I know firsthand that people can be way oversensitive about this stuff, throw the racist card everywhere, and make stupid and rash decisions. However, if the quote I read is the correct one, then I have to agree with Mack. That was incredibly stupid and inappropriate. I’m shocked he was dumb enough to put that on.
I mean, this is coming from someone who shrugs off racist jokes. My Mexican, black, and white friends in high school poked fun of my Asian-ness, and then I returned the favor. When Parcells used the term “Jap plays,” I thought it was utterly ridiculous how many people got mad about that, and most of them didn’t even seem to be Japanese or Asian. However, while I believe in second chances, there’s just no excuse, especially if he claims to have the religious beliefs he does. We should forgive him, but the consequences must stand.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 6, 2008 12:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tend to agree
with the way things have gone down. That was definitely very poor judgement on his part and I think such swift action by Mack (whether you believe to be fair or not) sets the tone for the rest of the players from here on out. I have a group of friends that span the political spectrum and I have received some pretty questionable text messages and emails over the last few days as well.
As is always appropriate in situations involving race, sex, religion etc., you must ask “Would similar action have taken place had a black player posted a similar comment on his facebook page?”
by kellen on Nov 6, 2008 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
You know to post such dumb comments on a historic day was poor taste but also shows an archaic attitude that this country is clearly trying to stay far away from. I do believe Mack was right to kick him off the team. At the end of the day, this kid represents the University of Texas, not just his podunk town.
Its ironic, considering that Obama was welcome with such warm arms at the Athletic Center.
by nyclonghorngal on Nov 6, 2008 1:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
50 cent lyrics???
50cent lyrics vs. Buck’s comments = no comparison
I'm sort of a big deal, people know me
by slimmy on Nov 6, 2008 1:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am befuddled
Player A: Posts a a stupid, insensitive remark on his Facebook status. He was trying to be funny, but failed in epic fashion, as he didn’t understand the ramifications of what he typed. He didn’t hurt anyone physically.
Player A gets kicked off team.
————————————————————————————————————————————-
Player B: Arrested for DWI. Driving drunk puts lives of innocent bystanders in danger.
Player B gets suspended for one game.
Player A is is Buck Burnette and Player B is Lamarr Houston.
Am I the only that thinks this is out of whack? Seriously Mack? Kicking him off the team was ridiculously over-reactionary. You can tell by his apology that Burnette is not a racist and said something dumb without thinking about the consequences. He’s a freaking kid.
Instead of kicking him off, Mack would’ve been better off educating this young man about the damage a racial joke can cause, along with the importance of representing your school and football team as a student athlete.
I feel really bad for him. I don’t even want to know what he’s going to encounter in class or his dorm. Probably lost a few friends as a result of this. I feel bad for his family. This is unbelievably embarrassing for him, and unfortunately this kind of mistake, despite committed at such a young age, will linger with him the rest of his life. All from a stupid joke.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 2:30 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
One brings Jesse Jackson to your campus....
and the other gets you rehab and a slap on the wrist. Unfair maybe, but true. People tend to accept DWI because most of us have probably done it, even though we were convinced we weren’t really “drunk.” Maybe we were just lucky. Physical scars heal but many times words are never forgotten. And that word? On Facebook? Are you serious?
There are slippery slopes and racism is the diciest of all. I don’t doubt this may be a fine kid, and his punishment does outweigh his crime. But it’s no surprise nor should it be to this young man. What planet does he live on that he thinks he can put that on FACEBOOK and think it won’t cause damage to him and his team? It was careless and a very hard lesson learned. We have all had those in our lives.
He gave Mack no choice. Being the brilliant CEO he is, Mack did the right thing.
by jtlonghorn on Nov 6, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a fan of drunk driving, but...
I believe the reason Buck was kicked off the team was because it is WHAT"S BEST FOR THE TEAM. Getting a DWI, while it does give the university and team a bad name, does not turn your teammates against you. DWIs do not divide a locker room, a fan base, a school or a city. Saying idiotic racist (even though he’s not a racist, he’s an “alter boy”, etc.,etc.) does. I can only imagine the rallies that would be held in Austin (b/c people are big on those here) if Mack would have kept him on. If Mack was to keep him on the team he would risk losing this season and this team.
Its unfortunate, but he had to do it.
by tvr'11 on Nov 6, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
How do we know
that these remarks turn the team against him? Hell, players right now, white or black, could very well be disappointed that he was kicked off the team. If he was given an opportunity to explain himself to his teammates that it was a stupid joke, he wasn’t thinking, and he’s not a racist, all parties would be able to move on within a day. WITHIN A DAY.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is exceptionally naive
Several of his teammates were (rightly) furious.
Mack had no choice here. Kick him off or face locker room revolution.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Nov 6, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm... I see
Have there been new reports regarding the reactions of the players? I haven’t been able to find any yet. I’d like to hear about the players’ reactions.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt they'll allow the team to comment
Or at most, players can say “No comment.”
by Kool Hand on Nov 6, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think really long and hard...
about what would happen if they let the players voice their opinions. I know walk-ons on the team and have been told that the “joke” was not received well. That said, lets go ahead and let a bunch of pissed off 18-22 year olds speak out and say what they think of the racist country boy that “threatened” the next president…Thought about it long enough?
Mack is too smart to fall into that trap, he is going to do WHAT’S BEST FOR THE TEAM and keep everybody quiet so that they can move on and keep this GREAT season going in the right direction.
by tvr'11 on Nov 6, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Mack hadn't kicked him off...
how many people do you think would even know about it? It seems to me he was pretty quick to get it off facebook and apologize. I think it could have been handled better.
by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
facebook's creepy news feed...
… would display it until enough junk happened to push it off the front page, which could be anywhere from ten minutes to ten days depending on how many friends you have… probably closer to ten minutes for football players. Still, it’s no secret, and wouldn’t have been even if someone had tried to sweep it under the rug. Thankfully, no one took that route.
by Horn Brain on Nov 6, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying it should be swept under the rug...
…just that it could have been handled in such a way that wouldn’t destroy his entire life and reputation because of one lapse of judgement. It’s bad enough he got kicked off the team, but on top of that he now has to deal with everyone thinking he’s some racist monster.
by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
destroy his entire life??
Seems a bit dramatic. He was a backup center.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 6, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it will destroy his whole life
But you have to admit that it is going to follow him for a long time. Any potential employer that does a Google search is going to find a lot of interesting reading material. I have read that graduate schools now do Facebook/MySpace checks as well. If they do that, there’s no reason to think they won’t Google his name too. Deadspin ran the story. TheBigLead ran the story. The Sporting News ran the story. ESPN had it on the “crawl” at the bottom of the screen for most of the day. For the foreseeable future, this statement will follow Buck.
by the1austin on Nov 6, 2008 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually the way it’s set up he could delete that post. You must not use facebook very much.
TEXAS FIGHT
by Darklust on Nov 7, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okaaay???
is that an insult? if so, that’s pretty weak. That doesn’t stop the live feed from posting it. Many people would’ve read it, been offended, and said something. Your point?
by vy til i die on Nov 7, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
Best compliment I’ve received all day. I had no idea you could delete stuff from the news feed. Have fun cyber-stalking those co-eds tonight.
by Horn Brain on Nov 8, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh, Im pretty sure racism has put plenty of innocent people in danger as well over the years....
This is really like an apples to livestock comparison, the only thing they have in common is both were committed by team members.
And if you think remarks like this are harmless, in the greater scheme of team, university, and country, well then I don’t know what else to say.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The remarks didn't "harm" me
Yeah it registered a 10 on the shock scale, but I’ll be able to move on, along with the rest of the university, coaches, players, etc.
A stupid joke can’t be considered harmful to me, considering this won’t even issue won’t even be talked about within a week or so.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats incredibly short sighted in my opinion
And in the same vain as people saying that drunk driving isn’t a big deal if no one got hurt.
And who said anything about you personally?
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bad judgement....time to grow up for Buck
I think the punishment was right on. There’s no room for racial comments anywhere. Time for Buck to open his closed mind a little and think hard about what type of person he wants to be. Hopefully this will change his perspective on life and judgement. Good luck Buck.
by Dawnpatrol on Nov 6, 2008 4:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
One other lesson for everyone...
The power of Social Media and the Internet. One bad decision can change your life forever…..
by Dawnpatrol on Nov 6, 2008 4:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What if Colt McCoy said this?
What if this facebook status belonged to McCoy’s facebook page?
Who here seriously thinks Mack Brown would’ve kicked him off the team?
I think Buck was kicked off the team because he was the backup center.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No way
There is no way anyone with a profile as high as Colt would ever put that kind of stuff up. The thing about college football, even at UT, is that on the team there can be national household names (Colt McCoy) and people that even UT fans may not know (Buck).
Those in the spotlight usually learn that you have to really watch your words and actions, those who aren’t as high profile may honestly feel just like a regular college kid.
And regular (albeit stupid, immature, etc. etc.) college kids say things like that. On Facebook. All the time.
Buck forgot he wasn’t just a college kid who could say stupid stuff with no repercussions. He was a part of a high visibility college football team. And he learned that in a devastating way.
by hornalum08 on Nov 6, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
are you serious?
if Colt said it he would have been kicked off quicker. Do you realize how fast his name would have been through the media? That would have been top story on CNN and FOX. Mack would would have packed his things personally.
by Dawnpatrol on Nov 6, 2008 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If ANYONE on Mack's team said something like this ...
… he’d be gone, pronto. Immediately. No hesitation.
by BEHorn on Nov 6, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he wouldn't
I’m speaking of hypotheticals. What if the starting QB like a McCoy or Tebow said something like this… Anyone think they’d be kicked out?
by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's important that they wouldn't in the first place.
That’s like the difference between a presidential candidate saying something horrible and disgusting about their opponent, and some low-level campaign staffer doing the same.
The lower visibility person would never dream that what they say could have huge consequences, while the higher visibility person HAS to know. It comes with the territory.
Buck Burnette never would have said that if he was Colt. Period.
by hornalum08 on Nov 6, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you're so wrong here
Any player says that—they’re gone. Period.
You’re absolutely kidding yourself.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Nov 6, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
While I can see that you're probably right
It would be a definite PR nightmare, but I think if the player was able to make a public apology and state that it was just a dumb joke and he wasn’t thinking, AND that he’s not a racist, he would be able to stay on the team. Probably be suspended a few games.
It’s just fundamentally wrong to me that anything someone says on facebook could get him banned, while a DWI may get you a 1 game suspension. It’s troubling to me.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to Life
It ain’t always fair.
Buck’s biggest sin here was stupidity.
The racism? We can work on. He’s apologized, he’s gonna learn (the hard way) why that kind of intolerance isn’t funny. The Longhorn nation will forgive him, if his heart’s in the right place.
But stay on the team? Right now? After that? No. Way.
--PB--
by Peter Bean on Nov 6, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
School of Bargaining
Professors Stoops, Meyer, and Saban presiding. Leave it to the scuzzy programs to debate whether they would treat their stars equally with their scrubs.
by Horn Brain on Nov 6, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While I agree, its irrelevant
And yes, I think he should be kicked off the team as well if he did.
Whether he would or not, I don’t know.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He says he's not a racist...
then why put that comment on your facebook? Wouldnt as a non racist person be appalled by that? I really hate that qualifier..I’m not a racist, but I know this funny racist joke.
by nyclonghorngal on Nov 6, 2008 4:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's a joke!
Yeah, it’s a racist joke, a terrible one, but that doesn’t mean that his views line up with what the joke implies. It’ll take a lot more than a lapse of judgement to convince me that a guy I’ve known for nearly ten years is a racist.
by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Killing the next president, hilarious.
by Wells on Nov 6, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think he was advocating an assassination?
It was a terrible joke, but I doubt the Secret Service is interrogating him right now. It was a joke that went terribly, terribly wrong. I would venture to guess that several of us received similar material via text or email on Wednesday.
by the1austin on Nov 6, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Killing the president never equals joke
What did you get by email, because I must have missed that one?
by Wells on Nov 6, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got a lot of crap in my inbox on Wednesday.
Luckily, unlike Buck, I know when to delete forwarded crap. It was a joke made in very bad taste. I guess I don’t see the point in over-analyzing a disgusting joke.
by the1austin on Nov 6, 2008 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
his post implies
that it’s acceptable to “joke” about hunting a black person.
This sucks because Burnette acted out of ignorance. His complete ignorance of the harm in his statement is the true crime.
If I use a racial slur, that doesn’t necessarily mean I’m racist, right? After all, I didn’t create the word, I was just passing it along for other people to hear.
by Kool Hand on Nov 7, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So.....
I really hate that qualifier..I’m not a racist, but I know this funny racist joke.
Comedians that use racial jokes are all racists now? While Bucky here fails at being a comedian, he’s no racist.
by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All evidence points to the contrary...
Look, most people are racist or sexist to some degree or another. Its very difficult not to be unless your grandparents, parents, friends, extended family and self grew up exposed to all sorts of different races, creeds, and cultures. Hardly anyone in the US, especially the south, falls under those guidelines.
However, very very few would ever put up that message on a public forum, much less even pass it as a “joke” to friends that truly know your personality and disposition.
I hope Buck learns from this, but he will have a hard time convincing people at his word when his actions speak so loudly.
by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not funny, no matter who says it
Racism is not skin heads and white robes and burning crosses, that’s just complete stupidity and herd mentality letting an irrational idea or fear devour the rationality of a group. Racism is that little bug in your head that makes lynching the first thing you think about when a black man is elected president, even as a joke. Almost no one thinks of themselves as a racist, because they all know racism is wrong. They’ll say “Oh, I have three black friends” or “I block for a black guy every day in practice.” But when a black man they’ve never met or heard of is a candidate for president, out come the text messages.
I was lucky enough not to have any friends to flood my cell phone with stupid crap, but someone else I know read me a list of the most blatant racist jokes I’ve heard since the back of the bus in high school. I was saying how ridiculous and cruel it is to make a joke out of something that killed people in this country out of hate for many years and still occasionally does, and then he said that his dad thought they were hilarious. WTF? There is no “just think about how funny this is, even though it’s horrible” when it comes to something that made people do this (NSFW and horrific picture). I saw that picture in a history class, and I’ve never been able to even consider setting aside the context of a joke like that again. Picture is from 1920, with what looks like a father and son smiling for the camera in the foreground. I couldn’t find a larger sized photo, but in the version I saw, you could see the smile on the “father’s” face clearly. It’s the kind of picture that they would send to their relatives in the north as a postcard. There is no joke in this, comedian or not.
by Horn Brain on Nov 6, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I have to agree.
Unfortunately, if you really find such comments to be false and objectionable, you don’t put ’em up for all to see on a Facebook page. Some part of him agreed with that sentiment, and it was one part too much.
by BEHorn on Nov 6, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Racism...
Is a lack of regard for the humanity of the target. Everyone’s life is just as valuable as anyone else’s and unfortunately some seem to be ignorant of or have forgotten that… and maybe some need to re-learn it. God did not make anyone of us any better than anyone else… we are all equal in His eyes and we should be in our own too. That’s one of the great principles of this country.
That said, I believe Buck when he says he is not a racist and I believe him when he says it was a stupid joke. However in this instance that “stupid joke” had the potentail to do a lot of damage far beyond the scope of just Buck’’s world… I am sure that at least some of his black teammates were insulted and appalled by it, and for the Team’s sake this is what had to happen. The Team’s chemistry was probably damaged or in danger of being so if Buck stayed. Mack Brown did the right thing and the the only thing he could have done.
This needs to be a valuable lesson for this young man… sometimes there are NO second chances in life… even for youthful stupidity.
I wish him well in his future wherever it takes him.
1 Peter 2:17
by HornsFan87 on Nov 6, 2008 6:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought about this a lot last night
and was not going to add my two cents worth, bcause I thought it might not be appropriate for BON, as a sports only blog. Since the discussion has gone this far, I will weigh in.
There has been some discussion here to the effect that Mack had to do this because there are black players on the team, and he wants to recruit blacks in the future. If I did not have so much respect for Mack Brown as a person, I might believe this was important to him in making this hard decision. This would have been the right move even if there were no black players on the team, and he never intended to recruit any blacks in the future. Hard to imagine?
I graduated from an all-white high school in1966, and came to UT when there were no black players on the team. Pictures of the 1969 team show the last all white team to win an MNC. I felt that was wrong at the time, and have been proud of UT, our team, and our country for the progress that has been made since that time. That progress has been slow in coming, and we at UT have certainly not taken the lead in combatting racism, but we have improved.
Tuesday night, I watched the crowds in Chicago and listened to a speech that brought tears to my eyes. I told my wife that I never thought I would live to see this day. A day later, I read on BON about this incident. It almost brought tears to my eyes again, but for an entirely different reason.
We have been told here that Buck is not a racist, just an ordinary kid. That is the saddest part of this, to me. I know that racism is not dead, just because a black man has been elected president. If Buck was a white-supremacist skinhead, it would actually be easier to take. The fact that he is not “a racist” speaks volumes about just how far we still have to go.
I ask all of you reading this to stop and think before repeating a racist joke, or even laughing at one that a friend tells you. We have made enormous progress in the last 40 years. The progress we make in the next 40 is up to you.
by Longhorn in Canada on Nov 6, 2008 7:28 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
Mack did the right thing
I don’t think Buck is a bad person, just a kid who is ignorant and fearful. With age, experience, and better mentors and peers in his personal life hopefully he can put this behind him. That said, Mack did the right thing. It sends a message to the team about unity, class, and image. Imagine for a minute if Colt said it. Despite loving him as a player and the impact on the field with no real back-up, I’d still want him gone too, because the legacy created from him getting away with that and staying would be inexcusable.
by KevinJ on Nov 6, 2008 7:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and althought we can’t imagine Colt saying something like this, I truly believe that Mack would have kicked off his starting QB, or any other player regardless of position and importance to the team, in the same circumstances.
by Longhorn in Canada on Nov 6, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Canada, well said.
I understand why PB keeps politics out of this blog. Some of the posted comments are incomprehensible. That anyone tried to minimize, justify, understand, or defend what happened is unacceptable and reinforces why people view Texas as backwards and racist. Whatever Buck’s intent, it was drowned in a sea of ignorance and poor judgement. To those that choose to stand for progress and reject ignorance, I commend you. To those that see life through colored lenses, I hope you choose to partake in lifting the veil that has draped America for too long and embrace our future for how it will be.
"Don't ask yourself what the world needs -- ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive."
-- Harold Thurman Whitman
by thanos on Nov 6, 2008 10:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
your quote ...
is actually from Howard Thurman … there is no such person as Harold Thurman Whitman. Funny how the internet works eh?
by Loisaida Horn on Nov 7, 2008 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to PB for allowing the discussion here on BON
Reading through all of the posts has been helpful for me to get my brain around the horrible situation and think through a bit. I appreciate PB bending site rules just a bit to let folks hash it out. Thanks.
by Texas Sized BS on Nov 7, 2008 9:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stupid World
Mack did the right thing, but this whole situation is the greatest injustice since Rylan Reed put a sleeper hold on Orakpo, injured his knee, and didn’t get called for holding.
by Tackchevy on Nov 7, 2008 9:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think I probably would have handled it differently
I probably would have met with a group of team leaders and, if it was okay with them, suspended Burnette for the rest of the season and the bowl game, and told him he has to earn his place back on the team starting in the off-season.
If his teammates felt him getting up at 6 a.m. each morning and running bleachers until he puked is necessary for him to show he is sorry, that is what he would do.
I would also have any player who wanted the opportunity meet with Buck and tell him exactly what their reaction was to that comment, and how it made them feel.
Buck may or may not believe African-Americans are inferior to other races (the definition of racism), but he needed to be educated about the harm such a comment can cause. Throwing him off the team is missing a tremendous opportunity to educate Buck, imo.
I can pretty much guarantee you that Buck has heard his African-American teammates use the “n-word”, either in jest with each other, repeating a rap lyric when singing, or possibly in anger at another African-American. This can cause confusion about the impropriety of using that word. I think having his teammates speak to Buck and having a discussion about this issue could have helped everyone involved. I understand Mack’s actions here, but I think he was too hasty. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
BTW, when I first read Buck’s message, I thought he was trying to make a poorly worded joke about a lynching, too. However, there may have been an ulterior meaning to his statement. There is a fear among some gun-owners (read:NRA) that Obama may try to restrict gun ownership. The “hunters, grab your guns” part of the message may have been meant as a message to fellow hunters. Combined with the second part of the message, it isn’t a threat of a lynching, it is a misguided message about the Second Ammendment, combined with a disgusting insult for our President-elect. That may have a worse intent than the lynching, though. It seems to me that if he was trying to talk about a lynching, he would have said, “Someone grab a rope….”.
I may be overanalyzing this issue, though.
by Beergut on Nov 7, 2008 9:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well
You never know what happened behind closed doors before Mack made this decision. If he did what you said, and they said he should be kicked off the team, then Mack does not need to tell the public anything more than what he did.
There is a big difference in using the “n-word” and treating the life of the president elect, even if it was in jest.
I don’t by your explanation on the NRA, it seems like you are reaching, Ockham’s razor is probably best here.
by Wells on Nov 7, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rationalize all you want...
… that was a lynching joke.
by Horn Brain on Nov 8, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Orakpo and Cody weigh in
“I thought the coaches did a good job on handling the situation,” Orakpo said. “My prayers are for him, but we’ve got to move on. Guys got to make better decisions for their future.”
- Orakpo
“I don’t really want to talk about it that much but I feel super sorry for him and I think the team does, too,” McCoy said. “I just told him to keep his head up. Things will blow over, things will get better. That’s a situation that’s tough.”
Still a Blaine Irby fan
by patienthornsfan on Nov 11, 2008 3:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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