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Backup Center Buck Burnette Kicked Off Team

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Texas sophomore center Buck Burnette has left the Longhorns because of a violation of team rules. Coach Mack Brown just issued a statement on Burnette. However, there were no specifics on what rule Burnette violated. Burnette is a former Wimberley High School standout. He has played in seven of Texas’ nine games as a backup offensive lineman.

That's certainly out of left field... I've not heard anything previously on this kid being a problem. Certainly a loss for our OL depth, but also a concern for the impact on this guy's future. Whatever it was, I hope Buck gets his act together and finds his way back on the field - somewhere.

UPDATE, 9:30 pm by PB: As you all know, politics and religion are not topics open for discussion at BON.

Buck Burnette's dismissal is the result of him posting to his Facebook page an extremely immature, intolerant, and hateful remark about President-Elect Barack Obama. Upon learning of what he posted, Mack Brown dismissed him from the team.

Burnette subsequently apologized: "Clearly I have made a mistake and apologized for it and will pay for it. I received it as a text message from an acquaintance and immaturely put it up on facebook in the light of the election. Im not racist and apologize for offending you. I grew up on a ranch in a small town where that was a real thing and I need to grow up. I sincerely am sorry for being ignorant in thinking that it would be ok to write that publicly and apologize to you in particular. I have to be more mature than to put the reputation of my team at stake and to spread that kind of hate which I dont even believe in. Once again, I sincerely apologize."

Though it's good to see Burnette apologize (if not take full responsibility), I applaud the coaches for doing the right thing. Burnette's remarks are offensive to any American, but must have been especially hurtful to his African-American teammates. Finally, such threats of violence--even if made in jest--are wholly unacceptable.

Though comments to this thread remain open for now, they'll be closed the moment anyone wanders from the site rules and/or unhealthy bickering breaks out.

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wow that was extremely random

haven’t heard anything negative about this team in a while.

by clra2 on Nov 5, 2008 8:01 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW!

Pretty sure it’s nothing academic. Very very unexpected.

As of depth chart, it seemed that Snow has already passed him, and Walters is coming next year.

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Nov 5, 2008 8:26 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This has to be something quite serious.

Mack’s normally sets up punishment and gives a second chance, recognizing these are young men and don’t have adult judgment as a general rule.

A straight kick-off means he did something way over the line.

by whills on Nov 5, 2008 8:35 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont buy it

Where are you getting this information??? The depth chart for baylor still has him 2nd string
Mack Brown didnt address it either

by koryg10 on Nov 5, 2008 8:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nvm

just read it on the statesman……most random thing ive ever heard

by koryg10 on Nov 5, 2008 8:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Geez...

… I wonder who he voted for…

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT AN INVITATION TO DISCUSS POLITICS. THIS IS MERELY A CONTEXT JOKE.

by Horn Brain on Nov 5, 2008 8:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ding Ding Ding - We have a winner...

… maybe. Apparently posted racist comments concerning Obama on his Facebook page. I have zero first hand knowledge of this so, grain of salt much? Any way, I read about it over on another Texas site forum that recently split from another site and is probably better off for it.

by urbanzero on Nov 5, 2008 9:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah!

But was it really big enough to get him booted? Seriously?!

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Nov 5, 2008 9:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn, this is bizarre

I am very curious to know what he did to merit being kicked off the team. In light of the fact that Mack gave Lamarr Houston a second chance earlier this year (after a 1 game suspension), you have to assume that Buck did something really, really stupid.

Here’s an Excerpt from the ESPN article.

Burnette was listed as the Longhorns’ second-string center behind starter Chris Hall. Burnette had seen action in 20 games with the Longhorns, including one start. He had played in seven of the Longhorns’ nine games this season, missing the Colorado and Oklahoma games with an injury.

Freshman David Snow now will be the Longhorns prime reserve behind Hall going into Saturday’s game against Baylor.

by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 8:58 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A distraction we don't need

But I trust Mack made the right call. Leaving him on the team could’ve been a bigger distraction. But we may never know.

by BigTexBD on Nov 5, 2008 9:09 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why would you even want to know?

Nothing good can come of knowing that info.

Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture

by run Bevo run on Nov 5, 2008 9:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh please.

Like this isn’t going to be all over PTI and Around the Horn tomorrow. I want to know what a UT player said online that was responsible for him getting kicked off the team.

Anyway, I found a forum that has a quote of the alleged remarks. For those of you, obviously other than run Bevo run, who are curious to know what a Texas Longhorn published that will no doubt give the program some negative publicity in the coming days, feel free to click here.

by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 9:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I cannot believe

How lightly you cast aside the real life of a KID, to appease your want for information. Sure we all want to watch a train wreck, it doesn’t make it right.

Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture

by run Bevo run on Nov 5, 2008 10:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you serious?

I was stunned when I heard the news. I wanted to know what on earth a player at UT could possibly say that would merit an immediate removal from the team. Are you really trying to condemn me for wanting to know what the statement was?

As a minority, I have witnessed “outrage” over comments time and time again by people who are eager to paint others as racists or that just don’t know how to respond whenever a questionable statement is uttered. Often times, comments are taken out of context and a persons otherwise stellar reputation can be tarnished permanently when people rush to take the moral high ground. Other times, true racism can be exposed. In order to formulate my own opinion as to whether his dismissal was warranted, I sought out and found the quote. If you have a problem with that, then so be it.

by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 10:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

???

Does it make you feel good to know what he said? Have you judged whether he is a racist or not?

Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture

by run Bevo run on Nov 5, 2008 10:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does it make me feel good? How old are you? What's wrong with you?

Luckily, I am in no position to “judge” him. The information’s out there, and I have every right to seek out what comments were so outrageous as to merit the immediate dismissal of a player who previously had a solid reputation as a player and student. Your “shock” that people would want to know what words could warrant a dismissal, when several Longhorns have only been suspended for criminal arrests, is perplexing.

Previously, only felony convictions were enough to lead Mack to dismiss a player from the team. This is a whole other animal. I think most of us want to know what led to this.

by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 10:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey

This little chain is going nowhere. It’s a very sad situation regardless of how you handle it, so let’s not fight with each other over how to think about this.

The comments are going to be disabled if anyone starts a shouting match, so just be mindful. Thanks, guys.

by Horn Brain on Nov 5, 2008 10:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right HB

Imagine the audacity of me trusting Mack Brown’s judgment. Nice sig Cyrus. I’m out.

Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture

by run Bevo run on Nov 5, 2008 11:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There ya go:

“all the hunters gather up, we have a %# in the whitehouse”

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Nov 5, 2008 9:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He also (according to the link) issued an apology
Clearly I have made a mistake and apologized for it and will pay for it. I received it as a text message from an acquaintance and immaturely put it up on facebook in the light of the election. Im not racist and apologize for offending you. I grew up on a ranch in a small town where that was a real thing and I need to grow up. I sincerely am sorry for being ignorant in thinking that it would be ok to write that publicly and apologize to you in particular. I have to be more mature than to put the reputation of my team at stake and to spread that kind of hate which I dont even believe in. Once again, I sincerely apologize.

by the1austin on Nov 5, 2008 9:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Feel bad for the kid

He is just a kid grown up in probably an all-white small town. I wish he could get a chance to play and also learn from his mistakes. But you can’t have him on the team with so many African American players and future recruits.

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Nov 5, 2008 9:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I take it back!

I read an incorrect quote. The actual thing is unbelievably racist, and he has no place on the team.

In Mack Brown We Trust!

by Cyrus on Nov 5, 2008 9:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good for Mack

Quick, decisive action that was absolutely necessary.

by Longhorn in Canada on Nov 5, 2008 9:54 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honestly, kicking him off the team seems a little harsh.

He said it himself that the comment was sent to him by a friend (whether you want to believe it or not) and it really isn’t that bad of a comment. Seriously, my Asian and Indian (Asian as well but whatever) say things 10x as racist (no they aren’t racist, they’re just Asian) in public every day. And if this is because it is a black/white racist moment, I’ll be pissed.

He doesn’t deserve it, but he still shouldn’t have posted a racist comment that someone else mentioned to him.

by HornPossessed on Nov 5, 2008 10:01 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Asian and Indian friends*

by HornPossessed on Nov 5, 2008 10:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well said

cant put it better in words than you just did

by koryg10 on Nov 5, 2008 10:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wtf??

this is the most ridiculous ‘argument’ ive ever heard Possessed. My God. It’s not that bad a comment? Haha, your insane.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 6, 2008 2:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he deserves it

it does not matter if he got it as a text, he is the one who put it up publicly for everyone to see. Glad to see Mack take quick action

by koryg10 on Nov 5, 2008 10:03 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not good

Between this and the film The Express (which has Texas as the racist team off the south against Ernie Davis), the University is developing a bad rep.

"There aint nothin' over till it's over. "
~Rocky Balboa

by Hook'em13 on Nov 5, 2008 10:11 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So sad.

Anyone that would think that saying something like that is in anyway funny or appropriate….. yeah. Incredibly immature.

Aaaaaand, +1 evidence for Facebook being the downfall of our generation.

So many people have no shame and think that for some reason negative things they post to their profile won’t reflect negatively on them.

by hornalum08 on Nov 5, 2008 10:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is very sad...

It’s a tough decision Mack had to make. Think about it. You’re the white, southern-born (they call Tennessee southern but wtf?) head coach of a very southern football program, and one of your white players publicly says something ridiculously racist that surely every one of his teammates saw on their creepy news-feed thing on Facebook. There really is no option. Trying to give him a second chance will look like Mack is sweeping it under the rug, and the risk that the team could divide itself over something like this is too great. Mack had to do this because of the position that he’s put in, as well as the fact that a member of the team expressed feelings that were hateful towards African-Americans, and therefore towards other members of the team. That’s the trick, here. He hurt the team, and so he’s gone. Tough, but fair.

I think Mack needs to sit down with the players somehow and make it clear to each of them that any action that threatens to hurt the unity of the team will be punished severely, and that’s why Buck is gone. He should explain exactly what happened and make sure that there are no unanswered questions from the players, as those will likely lead to whispers and rumors which can only bring bad things.

This sucks balls.

by Horn Brain on Nov 5, 2008 10:35 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Joking or not

I could see where some could say he made a threat to the President. Basically saying “let’s go hunt the President of the United States.” Not something you joke about.

by Forty on Nov 5, 2008 10:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

technically hes not the president yet

by MJY6087 on Nov 5, 2008 11:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mack had to, I agree

These kids know they’re under a microscope with no room for error, on and off the field. Buck exercised the worst judgment I’ve ever seen by posting that and has to pay the price.

There is no excuse to do such a dumb thing.

by BigTexBD on Nov 5, 2008 10:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So does this open up a scholarship?

"Football's so important in Texas. On the West Coast, it's a social. On the East Coast, it's a culture. Here, it's a religion."
-- Major Applewhite

by Sunkist on Nov 5, 2008 10:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too soon

I’m still throwing up in my mouth.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Nov 5, 2008 10:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very unfortunate

Best of luck to Buck.

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by blazzinken on Nov 5, 2008 11:03 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree completely

"Nobody leaves this field until we beat the hell out of them".................... L.J."Louis"Jordan in 1913 before kickoff of the Texas/ou game.

by ouALWAYSsux on Nov 7, 2008 7:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ouch

Imagine how it feels to be one of his black (former) teammates. Well, we all must learn from our mistakes. He is paying a high price for his stupidity.

by Loisaida Horn on Nov 5, 2008 11:44 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve known Buck for many years, and know for a fact that he is not a racist. Posting a joke on the internet doesn’t make you racist, harboring hatred in your heart for those of a different race makes you racist. So before you start judging, look at the situation for what it is. Yeah, it was stupid for him to put it on facebook, but is a lapse of judgement, that doesn’t reflect his true character, really warrant dismissal from the team? Especially when compared to some of the stuff that you know goes on with other members of the team (drugs, alcohol, etc.) I understand that Mack’s hands are kind of tied, I just hope that people really look at the situation and don’t jump to wrong conclusions about Buck.

by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 10:41 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If that's true, I'm glad to know he's not racist

Too bad his judgement is horrible. I’m afraid this will haunt him for some time.

Disciplina Praesidium Civitatis.

by zamm on Nov 6, 2008 10:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

I’m not trying to justify or defend what he did, it was wrong and stupid. I just want people to know that he’s not some racist monster.

by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 11:01 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, but...

Even if he was completely joking, his teammates, many of whom are black, may have a tough time believing that. It threatens the team dynamic for someone to even joke about killing the president, or an African-American. And we know that this team is at its best when it is playing as one cohesive unit.

As an aside, cpat, you’re a Wimberleyite too or do you know Buck from elsewhere?

by TXinDC on Nov 6, 2008 11:13 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand

I don’t really know what else could have been done, like I said Mack’s hand are tied. And I trust that he’s doing what’s best for the team. And I am a “Wimberleyite,” I moved there in 1998.

by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 11:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hatred is not a requirement for racism.

Belief that one’s race makes them in any way inferior or superior is racism. Hatred is often a byproduct of that belief.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 11:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah...

but posting a joke doesn’t mean you believe your race is superior or that another is inferior. People tell jokes all the time, that doesn’t mean they agree with what the joke implies.

by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 11:28 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well ...

My experience is perhaps somewhat different than yours, but I find that such “jokes” tend to reveal exactly what a person really thinks.

But I don’t know the kid, I only know the facts: And on these facts, Mack clearly made the right move. He had no choice.

by BEHorn on Nov 6, 2008 7:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worst week possible

for this sort of behavior from a player. I remember Buck posting facebook comments about “being honored to block for Chiles”…..seems like he just got carried away talking trash with his hometown friends.

by burntup on Nov 6, 2008 11:58 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My thoughts

Having played football I think his fate should have been decided by the team. He should have had a chance to address his team and let the them vote on his future. No one knows your character more than your teamates. Just my opinion.

by SC Horn on Nov 6, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Laws

The potential legal implications that he’s making a threat on the President’s life may preclude any “team decision”. Furthermore, the seed has been sown and a team discussion could lead to more nastiness.

by TXinDC on Nov 6, 2008 12:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More thoughts

“The potential legal implications” arguement is ludacris. The same statement has been past around the internet via emails thousands of times as a joke, albeit a poor one. I seriously doubt this young man would suffer any legal problems because of the sheer number of people who have posted similiar statements and the impossibility of prosecuting them. I think you are selling the young men that make up this team sort. Futhermore, I do not believe you know the dynamics of a “team”. This is, of course, just my opinion and I do not expect people to agree w/ it. I do expect people to allow me to voice it.

by SC Horn on Nov 6, 2008 1:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No further discussion is necessary.

Strong message from Mack, and imo the right one, not only for the team and recruiting, but for the University as a whole as well.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 1:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its about more than just football...

As important as football is and being kicked off the team is, this kid is looking at possibly getting kicked out of UT. Remember he is a STUDENT-athlete and school “is” his main concern. I have a feeling that being dismissed from the team might just be the beginning of his repercussions.

Even if his teammates did chose to keep him on the team, there would still be tension, because there is no way it would be a unanimous decision to keep him on. Mack did the right thing, as much as it sucks, it was what he had to do.

Not to mention, would you really want to play again knowing that most of your opponents are going to think you re some sort of racist country white boy. College football players are predominantly African American, if he ever does play football again, I’d advise him to expect lots of shots to the knees.

Best of luck Buck, think before you act and if anybody picks you up, get a good orthopedic surgeon

by tvr'11 on Nov 6, 2008 3:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Getting kicked out of the University?

That I don’t agree with. He has lost the privilege of playing football for the University of Texas. He should not be dismissed from the university at large for making an offensive comment on his Facebook page. Was his expulsion discussed somewhere?

by the1austin on Nov 6, 2008 4:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dismissed from UT

It is my understanding that he was not dismissed from The University.
He was dismissed from the football team.

"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
Tom Landry

by jcbates on Nov 6, 2008 6:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has not been dismissed from the University...

…but he was told to get out of town (he was receiving death threats) and I believe that expulsion is/was discussed. I’m not saying that he will be/should be, Im just reporting what I heard from somebody very close with the team.

by tvr'11 on Nov 6, 2008 8:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow that's sad

Like I thought the remarks harmed him more than anyone else.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 7, 2008 3:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dismissal doesn't matter

If he’s kicked from the team, he just lost his scholarship so he has to come up with some cash quickly to be able to stay at the university.

TEXAS FIGHT

by Darklust on Nov 7, 2008 7:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm a minority

And I know firsthand that people can be way oversensitive about this stuff, throw the racist card everywhere, and make stupid and rash decisions. However, if the quote I read is the correct one, then I have to agree with Mack. That was incredibly stupid and inappropriate. I’m shocked he was dumb enough to put that on.

I mean, this is coming from someone who shrugs off racist jokes. My Mexican, black, and white friends in high school poked fun of my Asian-ness, and then I returned the favor. When Parcells used the term “Jap plays,” I thought it was utterly ridiculous how many people got mad about that, and most of them didn’t even seem to be Japanese or Asian. However, while I believe in second chances, there’s just no excuse, especially if he claims to have the religious beliefs he does. We should forgive him, but the consequences must stand.

by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 6, 2008 12:49 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tend to agree

with the way things have gone down. That was definitely very poor judgement on his part and I think such swift action by Mack (whether you believe to be fair or not) sets the tone for the rest of the players from here on out. I have a group of friends that span the political spectrum and I have received some pretty questionable text messages and emails over the last few days as well.

As is always appropriate in situations involving race, sex, religion etc., you must ask “Would similar action have taken place had a black player posted a similar comment on his facebook page?”

by kellen on Nov 6, 2008 1:09 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So...

I am sure that none of the 50 Cent lyrics VY was blaring during the MNC season were offensive to white people or women?

May Colt be with you. Yeah, that's right.

by bfaut86 on Nov 6, 2008 1:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WTF?

Did you just compare 50 cent lyrics to threatening the life of the next president?

by Wells on Nov 6, 2008 6:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

You know to post such dumb comments on a historic day was poor taste but also shows an archaic attitude that this country is clearly trying to stay far away from. I do believe Mack was right to kick him off the team. At the end of the day, this kid represents the University of Texas, not just his podunk town.

Its ironic, considering that Obama was welcome with such warm arms at the Athletic Center.

by nyclonghorngal on Nov 6, 2008 1:30 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

50 cent lyrics???

50cent lyrics vs. Buck’s comments = no comparison

I'm sort of a big deal, people know me

by slimmy on Nov 6, 2008 1:52 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One brings Jesse Jackson to your campus....

and the other gets you rehab and a slap on the wrist. Unfair maybe, but true. People tend to accept DWI because most of us have probably done it, even though we were convinced we weren’t really “drunk.” Maybe we were just lucky. Physical scars heal but many times words are never forgotten. And that word? On Facebook? Are you serious?

There are slippery slopes and racism is the diciest of all. I don’t doubt this may be a fine kid, and his punishment does outweigh his crime. But it’s no surprise nor should it be to this young man. What planet does he live on that he thinks he can put that on FACEBOOK and think it won’t cause damage to him and his team? It was careless and a very hard lesson learned. We have all had those in our lives.

He gave Mack no choice. Being the brilliant CEO he is, Mack did the right thing.

by jtlonghorn on Nov 6, 2008 3:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do we know

that these remarks turn the team against him? Hell, players right now, white or black, could very well be disappointed that he was kicked off the team. If he was given an opportunity to explain himself to his teammates that it was a stupid joke, he wasn’t thinking, and he’s not a racist, all parties would be able to move on within a day. WITHIN A DAY.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is exceptionally naive

Several of his teammates were (rightly) furious.

Mack had no choice here. Kick him off or face locker room revolution.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Nov 6, 2008 4:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Hmmm... I see

Have there been new reports regarding the reactions of the players? I haven’t been able to find any yet. I’d like to hear about the players’ reactions.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt they'll allow the team to comment

Or at most, players can say “No comment.”

by Kool Hand on Nov 6, 2008 6:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Think really long and hard...

about what would happen if they let the players voice their opinions. I know walk-ons on the team and have been told that the “joke” was not received well. That said, lets go ahead and let a bunch of pissed off 18-22 year olds speak out and say what they think of the racist country boy that “threatened” the next president…Thought about it long enough?

Mack is too smart to fall into that trap, he is going to do WHAT’S BEST FOR THE TEAM and keep everybody quiet so that they can move on and keep this GREAT season going in the right direction.

by tvr'11 on Nov 6, 2008 8:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Mack hadn't kicked him off...

how many people do you think would even know about it? It seems to me he was pretty quick to get it off facebook and apologize. I think it could have been handled better.

by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 4:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

facebook's creepy news feed...

… would display it until enough junk happened to push it off the front page, which could be anywhere from ten minutes to ten days depending on how many friends you have… probably closer to ten minutes for football players. Still, it’s no secret, and wouldn’t have been even if someone had tried to sweep it under the rug. Thankfully, no one took that route.

by Horn Brain on Nov 6, 2008 5:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not saying it should be swept under the rug...

…just that it could have been handled in such a way that wouldn’t destroy his entire life and reputation because of one lapse of judgement. It’s bad enough he got kicked off the team, but on top of that he now has to deal with everyone thinking he’s some racist monster.

by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 5:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea

I hate it when I have those lapse of judgments and threaten the life of the next president.

by Wells on Nov 6, 2008 6:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

destroy his entire life??

Seems a bit dramatic. He was a backup center.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 6, 2008 9:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think it will destroy his whole life

But you have to admit that it is going to follow him for a long time. Any potential employer that does a Google search is going to find a lot of interesting reading material. I have read that graduate schools now do Facebook/MySpace checks as well. If they do that, there’s no reason to think they won’t Google his name too. Deadspin ran the story. TheBigLead ran the story. The Sporting News ran the story. ESPN had it on the “crawl” at the bottom of the screen for most of the day. For the foreseeable future, this statement will follow Buck.

by the1austin on Nov 6, 2008 10:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually the way it’s set up he could delete that post. You must not use facebook very much.

TEXAS FIGHT

by Darklust on Nov 7, 2008 7:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okaaay???

is that an insult? if so, that’s pretty weak. That doesn’t stop the live feed from posting it. Many people would’ve read it, been offended, and said something. Your point?

by vy til i die on Nov 7, 2008 7:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right.

Best compliment I’ve received all day. I had no idea you could delete stuff from the news feed. Have fun cyber-stalking those co-eds tonight.

by Horn Brain on Nov 8, 2008 9:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uhh, Im pretty sure racism has put plenty of innocent people in danger as well over the years....

This is really like an apples to livestock comparison, the only thing they have in common is both were committed by team members.

And if you think remarks like this are harmless, in the greater scheme of team, university, and country, well then I don’t know what else to say.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 4:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The remarks didn't "harm" me

Yeah it registered a 10 on the shock scale, but I’ll be able to move on, along with the rest of the university, coaches, players, etc.

A stupid joke can’t be considered harmful to me, considering this won’t even issue won’t even be talked about within a week or so.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats incredibly short sighted in my opinion

And in the same vain as people saying that drunk driving isn’t a big deal if no one got hurt.

And who said anything about you personally?

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 4:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Bad judgement....time to grow up for Buck

I think the punishment was right on. There’s no room for racial comments anywhere. Time for Buck to open his closed mind a little and think hard about what type of person he wants to be. Hopefully this will change his perspective on life and judgement. Good luck Buck.

by Dawnpatrol on Nov 6, 2008 4:05 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One other lesson for everyone...

The power of Social Media and the Internet. One bad decision can change your life forever…..

by Dawnpatrol on Nov 6, 2008 4:07 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What if Colt McCoy said this?

What if this facebook status belonged to McCoy’s facebook page?

Who here seriously thinks Mack Brown would’ve kicked him off the team?

I think Buck was kicked off the team because he was the backup center.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:17 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way

There is no way anyone with a profile as high as Colt would ever put that kind of stuff up. The thing about college football, even at UT, is that on the team there can be national household names (Colt McCoy) and people that even UT fans may not know (Buck).

Those in the spotlight usually learn that you have to really watch your words and actions, those who aren’t as high profile may honestly feel just like a regular college kid.

And regular (albeit stupid, immature, etc. etc.) college kids say things like that. On Facebook. All the time.

Buck forgot he wasn’t just a college kid who could say stupid stuff with no repercussions. He was a part of a high visibility college football team. And he learned that in a devastating way.

by hornalum08 on Nov 6, 2008 4:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you serious?

if Colt said it he would have been kicked off quicker. Do you realize how fast his name would have been through the media? That would have been top story on CNN and FOX. Mack would would have packed his things personally.

by Dawnpatrol on Nov 6, 2008 4:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

If ANYONE on Mack's team said something like this ...

… he’d be gone, pronto. Immediately. No hesitation.

by BEHorn on Nov 6, 2008 7:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Colt

He wouldn’t say that.

by nyclonghorngal on Nov 6, 2008 4:20 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course he wouldn't

I’m speaking of hypotheticals. What if the starting QB like a McCoy or Tebow said something like this… Anyone think they’d be kicked out?

by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's important that they wouldn't in the first place.

That’s like the difference between a presidential candidate saying something horrible and disgusting about their opponent, and some low-level campaign staffer doing the same.

The lower visibility person would never dream that what they say could have huge consequences, while the higher visibility person HAS to know. It comes with the territory.

Buck Burnette never would have said that if he was Colt. Period.

by hornalum08 on Nov 6, 2008 4:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude, you're so wrong here

Any player says that—they’re gone. Period.

You’re absolutely kidding yourself.

--PB--

by PB @ BON on Nov 6, 2008 4:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

While I can see that you're probably right

It would be a definite PR nightmare, but I think if the player was able to make a public apology and state that it was just a dumb joke and he wasn’t thinking, AND that he’s not a racist, he would be able to stay on the team. Probably be suspended a few games.

It’s just fundamentally wrong to me that anything someone says on facebook could get him banned, while a DWI may get you a 1 game suspension. It’s troubling to me.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 4:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

School of Bargaining

Professors Stoops, Meyer, and Saban presiding. Leave it to the scuzzy programs to debate whether they would treat their stars equally with their scrubs.

by Horn Brain on Nov 6, 2008 5:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes. Me.

Gone immediately from any Mack Brown team once you post something like that.

by BEHorn on Nov 6, 2008 7:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While I agree, its irrelevant

And yes, I think he should be kicked off the team as well if he did.

Whether he would or not, I don’t know.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 4:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He says he's not a racist...

then why put that comment on your facebook? Wouldnt as a non racist person be appalled by that? I really hate that qualifier..I’m not a racist, but I know this funny racist joke.

by nyclonghorngal on Nov 6, 2008 4:52 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a joke!

Yeah, it’s a racist joke, a terrible one, but that doesn’t mean that his views line up with what the joke implies. It’ll take a lot more than a lapse of judgement to convince me that a guy I’ve known for nearly ten years is a racist.

by cpat on Nov 6, 2008 4:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Killing the next president, hilarious.

by Wells on Nov 6, 2008 6:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you really think he was advocating an assassination?

It was a terrible joke, but I doubt the Secret Service is interrogating him right now. It was a joke that went terribly, terribly wrong. I would venture to guess that several of us received similar material via text or email on Wednesday.

by the1austin on Nov 6, 2008 10:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Killing the president never equals joke

What did you get by email, because I must have missed that one?

by Wells on Nov 6, 2008 10:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got a lot of crap in my inbox on Wednesday.

Luckily, unlike Buck, I know when to delete forwarded crap. It was a joke made in very bad taste. I guess I don’t see the point in over-analyzing a disgusting joke.

by the1austin on Nov 6, 2008 11:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

his post implies

that it’s acceptable to “joke” about hunting a black person.

This sucks because Burnette acted out of ignorance. His complete ignorance of the harm in his statement is the true crime.

If I use a racial slur, that doesn’t necessarily mean I’m racist, right? After all, I didn’t create the word, I was just passing it along for other people to hear.

by Kool Hand on Nov 7, 2008 1:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So.....
I really hate that qualifier..I’m not a racist, but I know this funny racist joke.

Comedians that use racial jokes are all racists now? While Bucky here fails at being a comedian, he’s no racist.

by goingforthecorner on Nov 6, 2008 5:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All evidence points to the contrary...

Look, most people are racist or sexist to some degree or another. Its very difficult not to be unless your grandparents, parents, friends, extended family and self grew up exposed to all sorts of different races, creeds, and cultures. Hardly anyone in the US, especially the south, falls under those guidelines.

However, very very few would ever put up that message on a public forum, much less even pass it as a “joke” to friends that truly know your personality and disposition.

I hope Buck learns from this, but he will have a hard time convincing people at his word when his actions speak so loudly.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Nov 6, 2008 5:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I have to agree.

Unfortunately, if you really find such comments to be false and objectionable, you don’t put ’em up for all to see on a Facebook page. Some part of him agreed with that sentiment, and it was one part too much.

by BEHorn on Nov 6, 2008 7:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Racism...

Is a lack of regard for the humanity of the target. Everyone’s life is just as valuable as anyone else’s and unfortunately some seem to be ignorant of or have forgotten that… and maybe some need to re-learn it. God did not make anyone of us any better than anyone else… we are all equal in His eyes and we should be in our own too. That’s one of the great principles of this country.

That said, I believe Buck when he says he is not a racist and I believe him when he says it was a stupid joke. However in this instance that “stupid joke” had the potentail to do a lot of damage far beyond the scope of just Buck’’s world… I am sure that at least some of his black teammates were insulted and appalled by it, and for the Team’s sake this is what had to happen. The Team’s chemistry was probably damaged or in danger of being so if Buck stayed. Mack Brown did the right thing and the the only thing he could have done.

This needs to be a valuable lesson for this young man… sometimes there are NO second chances in life… even for youthful stupidity.

I wish him well in his future wherever it takes him.

1 Peter 2:17

by HornsFan87 on Nov 6, 2008 6:28 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mack did the right thing

I don’t think Buck is a bad person, just a kid who is ignorant and fearful. With age, experience, and better mentors and peers in his personal life hopefully he can put this behind him. That said, Mack did the right thing. It sends a message to the team about unity, class, and image. Imagine for a minute if Colt said it. Despite loving him as a player and the impact on the field with no real back-up, I’d still want him gone too, because the legacy created from him getting away with that and staying would be inexcusable.

by KevinJ on Nov 6, 2008 7:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

and althought we can’t imagine Colt saying something like this, I truly believe that Mack would have kicked off his starting QB, or any other player regardless of position and importance to the team, in the same circumstances.

by Longhorn in Canada on Nov 6, 2008 7:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Canada, well said.

I understand why PB keeps politics out of this blog. Some of the posted comments are incomprehensible. That anyone tried to minimize, justify, understand, or defend what happened is unacceptable and reinforces why people view Texas as backwards and racist. Whatever Buck’s intent, it was drowned in a sea of ignorance and poor judgement. To those that choose to stand for progress and reject ignorance, I commend you. To those that see life through colored lenses, I hope you choose to partake in lifting the veil that has draped America for too long and embrace our future for how it will be.

"Don't ask yourself what the world needs -- ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive."

-- Harold Thurman Whitman

by thanos on Nov 6, 2008 10:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

your quote ...

is actually from Howard Thurman … there is no such person as Harold Thurman Whitman. Funny how the internet works eh?

by Loisaida Horn on Nov 7, 2008 11:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks.

"Don't ask yourself what the world needs -- ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive."

-- Harold Thurman Whitman

by thanos on Nov 8, 2008 4:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks to PB for allowing the discussion here on BON

Reading through all of the posts has been helpful for me to get my brain around the horrible situation and think through a bit. I appreciate PB bending site rules just a bit to let folks hash it out. Thanks.

by Texas Sized BS on Nov 7, 2008 9:31 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stupid World

Mack did the right thing, but this whole situation is the greatest injustice since Rylan Reed put a sleeper hold on Orakpo, injured his knee, and didn’t get called for holding.

by Tackchevy on Nov 7, 2008 9:43 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I probably would have handled it differently

I probably would have met with a group of team leaders and, if it was okay with them, suspended Burnette for the rest of the season and the bowl game, and told him he has to earn his place back on the team starting in the off-season.
If his teammates felt him getting up at 6 a.m. each morning and running bleachers until he puked is necessary for him to show he is sorry, that is what he would do.

I would also have any player who wanted the opportunity meet with Buck and tell him exactly what their reaction was to that comment, and how it made them feel.

Buck may or may not believe African-Americans are inferior to other races (the definition of racism), but he needed to be educated about the harm such a comment can cause. Throwing him off the team is missing a tremendous opportunity to educate Buck, imo.

I can pretty much guarantee you that Buck has heard his African-American teammates use the “n-word”, either in jest with each other, repeating a rap lyric when singing, or possibly in anger at another African-American. This can cause confusion about the impropriety of using that word. I think having his teammates speak to Buck and having a discussion about this issue could have helped everyone involved. I understand Mack’s actions here, but I think he was too hasty. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

BTW, when I first read Buck’s message, I thought he was trying to make a poorly worded joke about a lynching, too. However, there may have been an ulterior meaning to his statement. There is a fear among some gun-owners (read:NRA) that Obama may try to restrict gun ownership. The “hunters, grab your guns” part of the message may have been meant as a message to fellow hunters. Combined with the second part of the message, it isn’t a threat of a lynching, it is a misguided message about the Second Ammendment, combined with a disgusting insult for our President-elect. That may have a worse intent than the lynching, though. It seems to me that if he was trying to talk about a lynching, he would have said, “Someone grab a rope….”.
I may be overanalyzing this issue, though.

by Beergut on Nov 7, 2008 9:47 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

You never know what happened behind closed doors before Mack made this decision. If he did what you said, and they said he should be kicked off the team, then Mack does not need to tell the public anything more than what he did.

There is a big difference in using the “n-word” and treating the life of the president elect, even if it was in jest.

I don’t by your explanation on the NRA, it seems like you are reaching, Ockham’s razor is probably best here.

by Wells on Nov 7, 2008 10:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Orakpo and Cody weigh in
“I thought the coaches did a good job on handling the situation,” Orakpo said. “My prayers are for him, but we’ve got to move on. Guys got to make better decisions for their future.”

- Orakpo

“I don’t really want to talk about it that much but I feel super sorry for him and I think the team does, too,” McCoy said. “I just told him to keep his head up. Things will blow over, things will get better. That’s a situation that’s tough.”

Team Leaders Speak Out

Still a Blaine Irby fan

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