NEW BCS.. Texas #3
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| Rk | Team | W-L | Harris | Coaches | CPU % | BCS | |||||
| Rk | Points | % | Rk | Points | % | Prev | Avg | ||||
| 1 | Alabama | 10-0 | 1 | 2808 | .9853 | 1 | 1508 | .9889 | .9700 | 1 | .981 |
| 2 | Texas Tech | 10-0 | 2 | 2768 | .9712 | 2 | 1469 | .9633 | .9800 | 2 | .972 |
| 3 | Texas | 9-1 | 4 | 2471 | .8670 | 5 | 1300 | .8525 | .9200 | 4 | .880 |
| 4 | Florida | 8-1 | 3 | 2531 | .8881 | 3 | 1348 | .8839 | .8200 | 5 | .864 |
| 5 | Oklahoma | 9-1 | 5 | 2427 | .8516 | 4 | 1314 | .8616 | .8200 | 6 | .844 |
| 6 | USC | 8-1 | 6 | 2329 | .8172 | 6 | 1268 | .8315 | .7200 | 7 | .790 |
| 7 | Utah | 10-0 | 8 | 2034 | .7137 | 7 | 1104 | .7239 | .8700 | 8 | .769 |
| 8 | Penn State | 9-1 | 7 | 2073 | .7274 | 8 | 1074 | .7043 | .6200 | 3 | .684 |
| 9 | Boise State | 9-0 | 9 | 1940 | .6807 | 9 | 1028 | .6741 | .6800 | 10 | .678 |
| 10 | Georgia | 8-2 | 12 | 1581 | .5547 | 12 | 842 | .5521 | .7400 | 13 | .616 |
| 11 | Ohio State | 8-2 | 10 | 1765 | .6193 | 10 | 936 | .6138 | .5400 | 11 | .591 |
| 12 | Missouri | 8-2 | 11 | 1585 | .5561 | 11 | 883 | .5790 | .5400 | 14 | .558 |
| 13 | Oklahoma State | 8-2 | 13 | 1488 | .5221 | 13 | 808 | .5298 | .5500 | 9 | .534 |
| 14 | Ball State | 9-0 | 15 | 1231 | .4319 | 16 | 590 | .3869 | .4300 | 17 | .416 |
| 15 | Michigan State | 9-2 | 16 | 1122 | .3937 | 15 | 660 | .4328 | .3400 | 18 | .389 |
| 16 | North Carolina | 7-2 | 17 | 995 | .3491 | 17 | 543 | .3561 | .4400 | 19 | .382 |
| 17 | Brigham Young | 9-1 | 14 | 1335 | .4684 | 14 | 679 | .4452 | .2100 | 15 | .375 |
| 18 | TCU | 9-2 | 18 | 975 | .3421 | 18 | 475 | .3115 | .4000 | 12 | .351 |
| 19 | Florida State | 7-2 | 20 | 708 | .2484 | 19 | 426 | .2793 | .2500 | 22 | .259 |
| 20 | LSU | 6-3 | 19 | 806 | .2828 | 20 | 409 | .2682 | .1700 | 16 | .240 |
| 21 | Pittsburgh | 7-2 | 21 | 558 | .1958 | 21 | 311 | .2039 | .1400 | 0 | .180 |
| 22 | Cincinnati | 7-2 | 23 | 331 | .1161 | 22 | 183 | .1200 | .2100 | 0 | .149 |
| 23 | Tulsa | 8-1 | 22 | 342 | .1200 | 24 | 144 | .0944 | .0000 | 0 | .071 |
| 24 | Wake Forest | 6-3 | 36 | 14 | .0049 | 31 | 13 | .0085 | .1700 | 0 | .061 |
| 25 | South Carolina | 7-3 | 24 | 147 | .0516 | 23 | 155 | .1016 | .0200 | 0 | .058 |
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good news
our cpu% is way ahead of the Florida and OU.
by clra2 on Nov 9, 2008 4:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This blows.
Computers drop us a little this week, and if OU beats Tech, they jump us there, or at least catch up enough to negate our current advantage. All the while, Tech will stay ahead of us, along with OU, in the human polls, all because voters are idiotic and don’t know how to appropriately vote teams based on what happened. Florida will eventually catch us in both, and probably pass us in both, and if they win out, will be in Miami. Alabama will stay ahead of us if their only loss is to Florida, which sucks.
I hate the BCS.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 9, 2008 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not
If Florida beats Alabama badly (very posible), I think they drop below us, so long as our last 2 games are impressive victories. Alabama’s victory over Georgia is looking less and less impressive and they struggled to beat LSU which doesn’t have a QB.
"Only angry people win football games." --DKR
by OBdoc on Nov 9, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right.
However, I’m more concerned with the fact that we beat OU, and there’s a very real chance they’ll end up ahead of us because the voters are idiots. If Tech loses a close game, there’s a chance they stay ahead of us too, shafting us from a BCS game altogether. Even if we go, we’re getting replaced (more than likely) in the Fiesta because they’ll be replacing Tech or OU, and we play Utah as congratulations for our insane schedule. It’s a joke this year, it really is.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 9, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The sky is falling!!!!!
Seriously dude, we are in great shape. If us and OU both win out, they will not be as strong in the computers, as our SOS will still be better. We just hope that the voters analyze the 3-way tie correctly and see that we did not play either of the other 2 teams at home, while each of them did. Couple with our better SOS/resume, we should be placed higher than Tech or OU in the polls, or at least close enough that our computer component takes us over the top.
Of course it will help if all of our non-common opponents win out, like Colorado, Rice, UTEP, Mizzou, Arky, etc.
by HookedinOKC on Nov 9, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I have to put my trust in the voters...
Hence my pessimism.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 9, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind
If OU beats OSU, then will be beating a 2-loss team, so they may not get that big of a bump, if any, in the human polls.
by Horncasting on Nov 9, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But the fact is that it will come AFTER beating Tech.
Which would then be a former #1/2 team and a 1-loss team, bolstering OU’s SOS considerably.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 9, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SOS is based on the teams performance on the year
not what they were ranked at the time
by Wells on Nov 9, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Computer likes us
Texas .9200
OU .8200
Texas 4 3 1 3 3 3
OU 7 6 6 5 5 5
Respective rankings
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by blazzinken on Nov 9, 2008 4:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How is 'Bama's computer average higher than ours? Baffling.
Same goes for Tech, but I can understand that one (a little).
by HornPossessed on Nov 9, 2008 4:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Being undefeated helps your average a little...
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 9, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding?
no seriously, you’re joking right? neither of them has lost., buddy….our schedule may be better than both and that counts for something, but so does that big “1” in the L column.
by billyzane on Nov 9, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
I was thinking SOS but talking about computer average.
I just mixed the two up. Disregard my above statement.
by HornPossessed on Nov 9, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats Horns
Maybe we could somehow meet in a BCS game if we beat UF but don’t go to the ACCCG by virtue of the loss to Wake (tiebreaker).
It would essentially be the UGA idea from last year (2-loss team doesn’t play in conf cg, still goes).
by FSUncensored on Nov 9, 2008 4:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right.
Beating UF would help your resume tremendously.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Nov 9, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One weird thing...
If OU beats Tech and OSU, Mack brown, Bob Stoops and Mike Leach will all be going to bed the night of November 29th not knowing if they’ll be playing in the following week’s championship game until late in the afternoon on the 30th. Nor will Mizzou (presumably) know who to start prepping for.
by Hopkins Horn on Nov 9, 2008 6:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We would have prepped for them before, so we have some advantage there.
Leach doesn’t sleep. He’ll just have little tigers walking the plank all night long.
by whills on Nov 10, 2008 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Being 3rd NOW means nothing
4 teams control their destiny right now: Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Florida. Tech had no schedule until their win over Texas and jumped from 10th to 1st in the computer polls. Oklahoma will get a similar bounce IF they win in 2 weeks. Florida has the benefit of playing Alabama to close the year in the SEC title game.
I’m not convinced Texas got any help at all this week even with the Penn State loss as I believe a 12-1 Texas or 12-1 Florida would have passed an undefeated, 12-0, Penn State. An Oklahoma State victory would have been much more valuable.
by DoubleB on Nov 9, 2008 6:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OU does not control it's own destiny any more than we do.
Both Texas and OU will have to rely on the BCS if they win out.
by Horncasting on Nov 9, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, in your opinion, provided Oklahoma wins out, they will still be behind Texas? I’m not arguing whether it’s right or wrong, I’m just stating that I find that scenario to be highly unlikely. Oklahoma just scored 128 points on Nebraska and A&M and they DROPPED a spot in the BCS over the past 2 weeks. But Tech beats Texas and they jump 5 spots. Beating teams above you in the standings gives teams the opportunity to make a significant jump up. Hell, Texas is behind Oklahoma in the coaches poll right now even without the potential victories over Texas Tech and OSU. Combined with the computer jump of those wins, I just don’t see Texas being ahead in the BCS standings if all the teams involved finish 11-1.
In all honesty, I don’t know what the best scenario is for Texas aside from Texas Tech losing out.
by DoubleB on Nov 9, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion
I have no idea, but I don’t think it is a given either way. See my post below. It was a very good sign that we actually picked up a bunch of points from the human voters this week compared to OU.
by Horncasting on Nov 9, 2008 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ou vs Tech
Obviously we need ou to win against tech, but by how much? I think it needs to be a close game so that ou does not get any more help from the human voters. For us to keep the humans on our side we need to destroy KU at their place and treat the aggies like the hs jv team that they are playing like right now. All in all, i think we are in good shape for the 3 way tie scenario…
by RICHUT96 on Nov 9, 2008 7:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no, dont need tech to lose
Rematch: Horns vs Red Raiders in Miami.
Could happen.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 9, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Number odds and ends
Good news/bad news. We jumped OU in the Harris poll and picked up 49 % points on them in the coaches poll. Overall we did better than I think we could have expected in the human polls. Unfortunately we lost a full 1/3 of our 150 % point lead with the computers. Overall BCS we extended our lead over OU by 43 % points.
I could be wrong, but I do not think OU will pass us in the computers. If that is true, and the human polls stay where they are now, we’ll be ahead of OU. The human polls staying consistent are by no means a given, but historically you don’t see teams near the top get jumped when they win, even if teams behind them beat good teams.
Things in our favor – 10 point win over OU on a neutral field, Beating Missouri, the national perception of our 4 game run against top 10 teams, the fact that OSU will likely be out of the top 10 when OU plays them, only loss being a last second loss on the road, Colt’s heisman campaign.
Things in OU’s favor – winning streak, finishing the season against #2 Tech and #9-13 OSU on the road, beating TCU. Bradford could very well be back in the heisman race by then, negating our advantage with Colt.
by Horncasting on Nov 9, 2008 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
The human polls staying consistent are by no means a given, but historically you don’t see teams near the top get jumped when they win, even if teams behind them beat good teams.
You mean Texas Tech jumping ahead of Oklahoma in both the Harris and USA Today polls after Tech beat Texas and Oklahoma torched Nebraska?
Or Florida jumping ahead of USC in the coaches poll after the former beat Georgia and the latter beat UW or WSU (I can’t remember which)?
Or Florida jumping ahead of Oklahoma in the coaches poll this week after beating VANDY and Oklahoma waxed A&M?
by DoubleB on Nov 9, 2008 7:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is intriguing stuff
But all the what-iffing and lamenting was created by one rather significant point:
We did not beat Tech.
We got no reason to complain, even winning out and failing to get to the Big 12 Championship/BCS bowl/NC game. I feel like Horns weren’t very lucky at the end of the Tech game. But the reason it mattered was the Horns weren’t very good for the first 30 minutes of the Tech game.
by edsp on Nov 9, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LSU lost to 2 unranked teams last year and still made it
so, it’s not like the what-iffing is pointless. Very, very few national championship participants didn’t have to rely on voters or another team losing to get into the game.
by Horncasting on Nov 9, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant at the very end of the season
The polls historically become less fluid at the end of the season and if all the top ranked teams have the same records and won, the voters typically kept everyone where they were the week before.
The Tech/OU example is a bad one because they didn’t have equal records.
Again, I’m not saying it is a sure thing, far from it. But it is also not a lost cause at this point. OU still has to catch us in the human polls (where we currently lead by 63 % points) and most likely will not be able to catch us in the computer polls due to SOS. If we take care of business and win big in our last 2 games, I don’t think OU will gain enough ground to overtake us.
by Horncasting on Nov 9, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what i want:
Tech wins out.
Florida State beats Florida
Florida beats Alabama
Potential revenge against Tech in the MNC.
by longhornscardinals on Nov 9, 2008 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I love how
Techs toughest two games were at home and they have an off week before their big game at OU…. However, I will say that I’ve been very impressed with their defense, never saw that coming.
by JMCG on Nov 9, 2008 7:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No, we didn't, but...
…if this thing ends up as a three way tie, it’s still the voters’ responsibility to put the team with the best overall resume into the Big XII title game.
Tech would have one very good win (Oklahoma State) and one excellent win (Texas) with both of those wins coming at home. The loss would be about as acceptable as a loss can be: in Norman, with the nature of the loss TBD. No shame there.
OU would have two very good wins (TCU at home and Oklahoma State on the road) and an excellent win (Tech) at home. The loss is also a very good one: to Texas on a neutral field in a game where the outcome was not decided until the very end of the contest.
Texas would have two very good wins (Oklahoma State and Missouri at home) and an excellent win (Oklahoma on a neutral field). The loss is also a good one: in Lubbock with an almost epic comeback effort that fell just short. I know that this game was not decided on one play, and that a loss is a loss, but there was one very makeable play that Texas did not make that would have surely given them the win.
When all is said and done, I think it’s reasonable to say that Texas will have the best overall resume of the three teams. However, considering the fact that many voters already have OU in front of Texas despite the head to head win by the Horns, the voters probably won’t apply my logic to their November 30th ballots. These next four weeks are gonna be a blast…
by Sweed4Heisman on Nov 9, 2008 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are all wins created equal here?
Is your victory over Oklahoma State really comparable to our victory over Oklahoma State?
by Skin Patrol on Nov 9, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
since I compared the “quality” of losses or potential losses, I would say no, not all wins are created equal. Texas’ and Tech’s home wins over OSU are comparable because they both played the same team at home, but I think it’s fair to say that Tech’s win over OSU was slightly better than Texas’ due to the nature of the win.
However, even with a “better” OSU win, I still think that Tech’s overall resume would be slightly inferior to Texas’ or OU’s. Tech’s third best win (blowout at Kansas) isn’t as valuable as OU’s win over TCU.
Your point is well taken though.
by Sweed4Heisman on Nov 9, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well let's regress.
If Texas has the best resume of the three, isn’t Texas Tech’s “Excellent” win better than either OU or Texas’ excellent win?
This thing ends up going around and around. I think you are correct that in a three-way comparison, Tech is below Texas and/or OU. That’s kind of the problem with comparing three teams against each other, this is a difficult enough exercise when we’re comparing Team A to Team B. Throw in Team C and soon you’re arguing about whether a rock is heavier than a string is long.
If SOS is the final decider, doesn’t that determination have an impact on who has the better SOS, considering Tech will have beaten the team you think has the best SOS? We aren’t considering a lot of other factors either, since UT still gets to play Kansas and A&M increasing the common opponents of us and Texas. What if OU barely beats OSU? If TCU or Missouri collapse? What if Nevada wins out?
by Skin Patrol on Nov 9, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texas/Tech/OU
In those matchups this year, only Texas will have failed to have played a home game. I would give the nod to a neutral field “excellent” win over a home “excellent” win, and I believe the computers do as well.
by Horncasting on Nov 9, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
If you’re comparing all three, that level of nuance might be necessary.
If you’re comparing Texas vs. Texas Tech, rather than weighing the relative merit of one’s “excellent win” on neutral field vs. the other’s excellent win at home, I think voters will and should just gut-check… WAIT A SECOND. TEAM A BEAT TEAM B.
Analyzing the minute details of SOS and where someone won is an important analysis… when you lack other, more compelling data points. Like head-to-head record.
It is no accident that head-to-head record is the 1st tie-breaker in the Big-12 and BCS ranking (with its emphasis on SOS and the like) is 5th.
by Skin Patrol on Nov 9, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha I think...
… If you look at the three resumes and you come up think that both Texas’ and Tech’s resumes are both better than OU’s, then absolutely you have to use head to head, period. That would obviously favor Tech.
by Sweed4Heisman on Nov 9, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I was thinking more of a scenario where OU is simply out of the discussion, in virtue of being a 2-loss team.
The problem of 3-way analysis is you have to weigh A vs. B vs. C. In that scenario, deciding that A>B>C shouldn’t regress to is A>B? Because if resume A>B>C there really isn’t a need to discuss A relative to B, since that isn’t fair to A. I’m suggesting that you can answer the question “Which of the following three teams is better?” differently than you can answer “Which of the following two teams is better?” The entire logjam of a 3-way tie is that A beat B beat C beat A. Head-to-head is not determinative and is therefore thrown aside. It would be unfair to throw it aside for round one, then reintroduce it for round two.
If a three-way tie develops, the team with the best resume should go. I don’t NECESSARILY think that team is Texas, but the fact that Tech might win a head-to-head comparison shouldn’t be determinative in their favor presuming a three-way tie. Now, if OU is out (due to two losses) I do think a one-loss Tech is better than a one-loss Texas in virtue of the head-to-head.
by Skin Patrol on Nov 9, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok now I gotcha, I think...
… If OU is out of the discussion, then there’s no argument, have to go with Tech.
I agree 100% that if you don’t use it for round one, you can’t use it for round two In a three team logjam, you can’t say automatically say Texas’ resume beats OU’s or Tech’s beat Texas. I think you just have to weigh each resume by how good you think it is overall.
by Sweed4Heisman on Nov 9, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you mean...
… If Joe the Poll Voter thinks Texas has the best resume, than he should weigh Tech’s win over Texas accordingly. Likewise, if OU wins ugly at OSU, or TCU/Missouri flop somewhere, or Nevada wins out, he should take every possible factor into consideration when it comes to deciding who has the best resume after November 29th. Tech may well end up with the best resume even with a loss to OU, and if they do, they should be the choice. I’m just projecting what I think will happen, and then “grading” each resume accordingly.
by Sweed4Heisman on Nov 9, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you know what?
if Tech loses to OU, OU loses to OSU, Tech beats/loses to Mizzou (doesnt matter whether Tech wins or loses) in Big 12 championship, will either OU or Tech be ranked higher than us? I think not. Then Florida and Alabama would play each other. Unless USC somehow inexplicably jumps us we’d play Florida/Alabama winner for the national championship. That’s how I see it if the voters doesnt allow Tech to jump up 5 spots after they beat Mizzou. I hope everyone follows my logic.
by clra2 on Nov 9, 2008 8:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How on earth...
would Tech be ranked lower than Texas if we beat Mizzou in the Big 12 championship??
by Skin Patrol on Nov 9, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no they win the big 12 championship
but their loss to OU drops them so far they can’t make up enough ground to catch up to Texas.
by clra2 on Nov 9, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if
OU beats Tech, but loses to OSU…Tech beats Baylor…Texas wins out…
Tech goes to the conf championship game with a chance at the MNC. But Texas is also still in the mix, though the Tech loss will count a lot more at that point.
Man, this all gives me tired head.
by Tech92 on Nov 9, 2008 8:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I stated this in another thread
and i think it is a possibility. With you guys’ SOS, any loss, even one to OU, will hurt your computer rating. However, if you guys were to win in KC over Mizzou, I think the human voters will jump you guys back up into the title game.
who knows though. you would have a one loss USC and one loss UT (with neither possibly winning their own conference) vying with one loss Tech for that 2nd title game spot.
what a headache.
by 6th street on Nov 9, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the only thing
that really, truly distinguishes UT’s resume from Tech’s resume is UT’s win over Missouri, wouldn’t our win over Missouri, combined with our win head-to-head against you, be enough to push us over UT if/when voters are comparing only our two records against one another?
When trying to sort out three tied teams it makes sense to have this go-around with magnifying glass emphasis on SOS. But when it is Team A vs. Team B and Team A has beaten Team B, SOS needs to be dramatically better, particularly if the two have identical overall records. Does a Tech team that beats Missouri in a Big-12 Championship have a SOS so much worse than UT’s to be ranked lower than a team they beat?
by Skin Patrol on Nov 9, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SOS
i was referring to SOS as it would affect the computer rankings portion of the BCS formula, not what the voters would consider.
yes, a win over missouri would be big and would even things out significantly between our two resumes.
but maybe the voters look at it differently. who knows. maybe they see the head to head win as a push, as it was a home game for you and a very close win.
im on record as agreeing that Tech should be ahead of UT in this scenario. but the fact of the matter is that you cant guarantee it.
by 6th street on Nov 9, 2008 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We can rely on the voters
After all, they have Missouri ahead of Okie State, and that makes sense, right? Uh, forget it.
by Longhorn in Canada on Nov 9, 2008 8:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Other breaking news
You know those IQ test ads – the ones that say the average fan of some school has an IQ of 124, can you beat that? I think I just saw one that said the average IQ of Harris and “coaches” poll voters is 52. Can your pet iguana beat that?
by Longhorn in Canada on Nov 9, 2008 8:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A few things to ponder
This week’s game against Kansas is huge. We need to roll them big time for a couple of reasons:
- Both OU and tech beat them, but Tech pounded them. It is a chance for us to get a comparable score – style points count
- most importantly, with OU off this week, this is our chance to showcase our resume and solidify our ranking. The voters are typically short-attention span morons. This is our last chance to put up a big number without them being able to say “but look, OU crushed (insert school here). Their offense is awesome, who did they lose to again?” I think we’ve got a chance to slide above OU in the coaches poll with them idle, and that would be huge.
Lastly, there has been a lot of speculation about the possibility of our playing Tech for the NC. I don’t see it. I don’t think the voters will allow a non-conference champion to play for the championship. Look at last year when LSU vaulted several spots, or the year before when Florida did the same to deny Michigan another shot at Ohio St. It would chaos of the highest order for us to play Tech again (although I’d love that opportunity).
by SaintBevo on Nov 9, 2008 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vaporware
All assumptions based on “What if Tech loses to OU”. All with zero evidence to believe that actually happens. What this thread should be called is “How can UT back into a Big 12 Championship” no matter what happens on the field.
I especially love the “what if we’re all three tied” circle jerk where some UT fans insist that OU never be able to “jump” UT because of their loss to the Longhorns. One guy (I am not making this up) on the Griffin Blog on ESPN is actually saying “No team should be ranked higher than the team that beat them” (if they are tied at 1 loss a piece)!!! Seriously. That is what this is really coming down to.
I appreciate that you are now in the unfathomable position of:
1. Wringing your hands knowing that the Mad Scientist and his band of pirates can crush your dreams and there is nothing you can do about it.
2. Knowing you have to root for OU… AND MEAN IT.
Listen, these are all good teams, and I think any of the three Big 12 south teams would do well in a National Championship game. I just think it is funny that almost 100% of UT and OU fans have agreed to drop the “IF” from “If Tech loses to OU”.
a. “Tech hasn’t played ANYONE. They will lose in their first big road test at Kansas. NO DOUBT.
b. "Ok, but Kansas sucked. Tech still hasn’t played ANYONE. They will definitely lose to US. NO DOUBT.”
c. “Ok, but OSU rocks! They almost beated us. They are WAY better than Tech, who had a luck night while we were tired and beat up. OSU wins… NO DOUBT”
d. “Ok, but now they have to play OU! WHEEEEEE! Go SOONERS! BOOMER SOONERS! No way Tech beats OU in Norman. That’s is an impossibility. NO DOUBT.”
How about throwing Tech a bone? Just say IF and you at least maintain some credibility.
Peace
... I'm just sayin'
by antiswarm on Nov 9, 2008 10:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we have a special agreement about that "If....."
It’s called the RK exclusion.
We wanted to keep our virtue and didn’t want to be tainted by your credibility.
by whills on Nov 10, 2008 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, chill the hell out.
“IF” Tech beats OU then our chances of getting to the Big 12 championship game are nil, even if Tech then somehow loses to Baylor, and if Texas doesn’t make the conference championship game, then our chances of making the national championship game are severely reduced. Therefore, all statements of ways in which Texas can make the national championship game are necessarily prefaced on the assumption that Tech will lose to OU because that gives us by far the highest percentage chance of it happening. No one is saying that there’s no way Tech can beat OU.
So get the hell over your insecurities about what Texas fans think of Texas Tech. Why the hell do you care what we think of your football team? Your insecure and defensive tone is rather unbecoming. If you’re going to troll on other teams’ blogs, please read things logically and dispassionately and respond accordingly.
by billyzane on Nov 10, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Reality...
…is such a buzz kill.
Peace
... I'm just sayin'
by antiswarm on Nov 10, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
A shame that you don’t contribute as well as someone like Skin Patrol. This is a very simple discussion with the granted “if” that Tech loses. Nobody is guaranteeing that this will actually happen. Read carefully before you post and try to rid yourself of the little brother tone. It only makes the likes of Texas and Oklahoma look down more on the Red Raiders in Lubbock.
by TheElusiveShadow on Nov 10, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You earn bones
and tech gets some with 2 great home wins and they will earn more if they can beat a good team on the road. Then win a conference championship which they have not and one of the major bowl games, again not accomplished. Then come back and be competitive next season and the one after that and on wards for the next few decades. Till then you get what you deserve which is some fleeting attention in the national press for part of a season while your up in the standings for once in a blue moon.
by Xerxes on Nov 9, 2008 11:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
even then...
…UT fans will be pissing on reality and dreaming of banning blue moons.
Peace
... I'm just sayin'
by antiswarm on Nov 10, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is your problem?
Yes, Texas Tech beat Texas. We understand that. We understand that we no longer control our own destiny and that Tech does. From the understanding that we no longer control our own destiny comes the desire to think about which possibilities would be better for our season than others. Texas Tech losing to Oklahoma is such a possibility. Therefore, we will root for it to happen. You would do the exact same thing in our situation.
Quit being an asshole.
by billyzane on Nov 10, 2008 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

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