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Road Trip Travel Tips - Fiesta Bowl

Texas vs. Ohio State • Fiesta Bowl • Glendale, AZ • January 5, 2009

Overview: From an emotional and a logistical standpoint, you really have to be committed to make the Fiesta Bowl trip this year. If the BCS title snub wasn’t enough of a deterrent, the fact that the game takes place on the Monday after the holidays makes it lot harder for those fans who really should be going back to work that day.

For these reasons, I’ve chosen to position the following travel tips for someone going on a quick jaunt (sort of a business trip without the tie)...

Star-divide

Lodging: Unless you’re looking to play a lot of golf or have passes to some hoity-toity Fiesta Bowl Ball in Glendale or Scottsdale (near the casinos), I recommend booking a room at a hotel in Tempe near Mill Avenue. Tempe is located just east of the airport, which is convenient for those of us needing to leave “early” on Tuesday morning. And Mill Avenue is where you’ll find most of the bars and restaurants fans will be partying at the night before the game. 

Transportation: Splurge for the rental car. Phoenix is extremely spread out and Glendale, where the game will be played, is a suburb about 20 miles northwest of the airport. Cab rides will be expensive whether you’re staying close to the stadium and coming from the airport or staying in Tempe and taking a cab to and from the game. Also, you’ll want the rental car for tailgating and getting back to your hotel after the game. Not sure what the public transportation scene is like, but again, Glendale is a suburb. 

Night before the game: As mentioned above, Mill Avenue in Tempe is most likely where you’ll find fans of both teams the night before the game. Not only does the area feature a wide assortment of bars and restaurants, but also it’s located a block west of the Arizona State campus and the eye candy alone makes it a popular destination year-round.

The following recommendations represent the most corroborated answers I received when asking a few ASU alumns from the area this question, “if you were a Texas fan, where would you want to be the night before the Fiesta Bowl?”

Bars

Rula Bula (401 S. Mill Avenue) – By far the most popular place mentioned. It’s an Irish bar with a great atmosphere and tons of beers on tap. It’ll fill up fast, so get there early.

The Big Bang (501 S. Mill Avenue) – Underground dueling piano bar where the patrons are encouraged to sing along. No doubt The Eyes of Texas and Carmen Ohio will be popular requests.   

The Library (501 S. Mill Avenue, #101)
– You’ll have to brave the gawking sausage fest if you want go here as the required uniform for waitresses is “school-girl slut.” They don’t call it the “Guy-brary” for nothing. Then again, girls in plaid skirts sportin’ the cleav are always hard to resist.

The Tavern (404 S Mill Ave) – For those of you who just want to drink some beer without having to pay for atmosphere, the Tavern is laid back and usually features some good drink specials.

Restaurants

The Zuma Grill (605 S Mill Ave) – Good food and good Margaritas (we’ll be the judge of that). It’s also a bar so it may be a good place to start the night.

Four Peaks Brewery Company (1340 E. 8th Street)
– It’s located about 2 miles east of Mill Avenue, but I’m told it’s a must as the food and house brew make it well worth the trip. And I hear beer is the key ingredient in their famous Italian baked bread. I’m sold. 

Dos Gringos (1001 E 8th Street) – East of Mill Avenue on the other side of campus, this is the obligatory Tex-Mex offering. (Again, we’ll be the judge of that).

Tilted Kilt (660 Warner Road)
– Kind of a lucky strike extra…it’s a sports bar not located all that close to Mill Avenue (about 6 miles south actually). But I’m including it for those of you who will be arriving early that Sunday and want to watch the NFL playoff games (and it also features naughty school-girl waitresses in plaid skirts…what can I say, I was raised Catholic)


Tailgating:  To be honest, I’m not terribly excited about the prospects of tailgating outside an NFL stadium because the parking lots are usually concrete jungles designed to encourage fans to proceed to the stadium where “the beer cost $7.” And judging by all the rules regarding tailgating, the unfortunately named University of Phoenix Stadium doesn’t seem to be an exception. But pre-game options close to the stadium are limited in the very sterile suburb of Glendale. So get yourself a cooler of beer and celebrate urban sprawl.

Good things to know :

1) Lots open at 9:30am and if you plan on parking in the same zip code as the stadium, you’ll need to fork over $30 for a parking pass. You can purchase by calling (800) 635-5748. If you’re a season ticket holder, you can purchase one at TexasBoxOffice.com (NOTE: The Fiesta Bowl Parking Passes weren’t an option to purchase when the initial order form for bowl tickets went out to season ticket holders.)

2) While there is a huge, enticing lawn near the stadium, it’s not open to tailgaters and alcoholic beverages are prohibited on it.

3) Supposedly, you are only allowed to tailgate in front or behind your car. “Tent cities” encompassing multiple spaces are prohibited and will be summarily dealt with by a roving gang of Segway Rent-A-Cops. Do what you gotta do.

BON Tailgate TBD: No plans yet, but I’m sure we’ll designate a spot in the lots outside the stadium for BONers to meet at before the game. Look for an announcement on the BON as the game gets closer.

Tickets: Honestly, the jury is still out on this one. The Fiesta Bowl site has already declared the game a Sell Out, but the tickets allotted to the two schools have not been distributed and we don’t know yet if both schools have sold their allotments.

Personally, I have a hard time believing there will be a lot of demand for a game played on a Monday night following the holidays between two schools who aren’t exactly thrilled to be there. Then again, Texas and Ohio State fans are some of the best traveling fan bases around, so who knows. I thought the same thing about Texas-Michigan Rose Bowl a few years ago and tickets were going for 25-cents on the dollar outside the stadium before the game.

Face value for tickets is $135 and if you have access to purchase them directly, either through the school or through the Fiesta Bowl, I’d suggest doing that first. For those of you who are scalping, I’d recommend waiting until the week of the game becasuse there is already ample suply of tickets on sites like Stub Hub and eBay and I don’t see ticket prices getting any higher than they are now.

Special thanks to pitchforknation.com and PB’s cousin Adam. 


NOTE: By no means is this the definitive travel guide to the Feista Bowl. So if you know the area and want to challege these recommendations or make some of your own, please do so.

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Great post as always

Very insightful, and Im looking foward to go! By the way…I wonder if Devon Kennard is going? Its just around the corner from him.

by kriess on Dec 12, 2008 12:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tent city?

How many tents make a city? Surely one immediately behind the car is ok?

GO 'HORNS GO!
CPF

by patriks10 on Dec 12, 2008 12:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I guess..

…I’ll just set up my stuff and hope for the best. Great post 54b thanks for the information. My group will definately put it to good use! I got my tickets and parking pass on E-bay just so I could start making travel plans. How many BONers are planning to make the trip and tailgate TEXAS-style?

HOOK ’EM!

GO 'HORNS GO!
CPF

by patriks10 on Dec 12, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There isn't a whole lot to Glendale...

so I’d expect there to be a lot of tailgating unless people choose to play golf or something like that during the day.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Dec 12, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends who you ask

Here’s a pdf from the Fiesta Bowl, tailgating rules are about halfway though it…

http://www.fiestabowl.org/images/uploads/09_TFB_Game_Day_in_Glendale.pdf

I was poking fun of some of the rules that I read about. As with anything like this, I doubt the rules are stictly enforced. And I spoke to a couple of guys who went to the Fiesta Bowl last year. About the only thing security really enforced was the “no glass containers” and “no charcoal” rules. I’m sure you’ll be fine with a tent as long as you’re not restricting traffic flow.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Dec 12, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dont totally dismiss scottsdale

Some of the readers might enjoy scottsdale
Scottsdale is a short drive from mill

Mill ave is similar to the classic 6th street bars of Maggie Maes, Library
While Scottsdale is more upscale like Pure or the aquarium

To each his own

And +1 for four peaks, go there and drink the oatmeal stout

by vyvyvy on Dec 12, 2008 12:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Duly noted and to each his own

I wasn’t so much dismissing Scottsdale as I was focusing on the largest concentration of bars where I thought most fans would be the night before the game. I would imagine most of us are only going out for a couple of nights and the second night will be spent at the game. This is sort of, “if you only have one night to party, this is where to go” deal.

Plus, I think it’s better to cab to one centralized location than risk bar hopping via your own transportation.

I’ve also heard the cops are extremely vigilent in this area.

Be nobody but yourself in a world that desperately wants you to be like everybody else.

by 54b on Dec 12, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

The cops are VERY vigilent.

And one arrest for DUI sends you straight to the tent city in the middle of the desert. Be safe horns.

by vyvyvy on Dec 12, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmmm Outmeal Stout...

or try Four Peak’s Kilt Lifter! It’s mighty tasty and you can find it on tap all over the valley!

by lauraj on Dec 14, 2008 7:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oooops

I meant Oatmeal. Sorry, I need more coffee.

by lauraj on Dec 14, 2008 7:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

scottsdale

i would suggest staying in scottsdale as well as it is a short drive. as far as the library on mill avenue i was in the area for a couple weeks for buiness and i was cut off after one drink there as they stated i was sluring my words i tried to explain i was from tx and might have accent but of course they kicked me out. so just fyi. but mill avenue is the place to be.

and if you are staying a couple of nights there is a bar in scottsdale called gilligans (a layed back hold in the wall) that has gold fish races on tuesday nights (good to go and have drinks and race some goldfish)

"Hey, I think it's easy for guys to hit .300 and stay in the big leagues. Hit .200 and try to stick around as long as I did; I think it's a much greater accomplishment. That's hard."-- Bob Uecker

by dmurphnextrusygreer on Dec 12, 2008 12:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

So many LOLs
i was cut off after one drink there as they stated i was sluring my words i tried to explain i was from tx and might have accent but of course they kicked me out.

Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture

by run Bevo run on Dec 12, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Our travel plans...

Hotwire has great deals on decent hotels near Phoenix – this is highly suggested. We also got a rental car at $16/day and airfare at around $250 round trip if you don’t mind staying ~4 days. For leisure we are planning on staying 2 nights in Flagstaff and going skiing at the Snow Bowl the weekend before the game. We’re also making a grand canyon trip around that time and will consider hiking around the red rocks between Flagstaff and Phoenix. Any additional rec’s appreciated in and around Phoenix area.

by UTexasCPA on Dec 12, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Other things to do

On your way down to Phoenix, I would suggest stopping into Sedona. Nice little artsy town, akin to Taos.

Also, if you enjoy hiking, Camelback Mountain in the center of Phoenix is nice. It’s a pretty easy 2 hour climb and gives a nice view of the city from the top.

There’s also sking in Tucson.

aka MyPoolLeaks

by afaeguy on Dec 13, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

Thanks for the heads up.

by UTexasCPA on Dec 13, 2008 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you go to Sedona...

…make sure you stop in and grab a bite and a brew at Oak Creek Brewing Company! They have a nut brown ale that is to die for, not to mention…great food! Sedona is a real treat if you have the time.

by lauraj on Dec 14, 2008 7:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking for frugal football fans

Hey UTexasCPA and any other diehard Longhorns,
I’m a reporter for the Arizona Republic looking for visitors doing the Fiesta Bowl on a budget. Sounds like your Hotwire strategies and cheap rental car find will save you a lot of money. I’m interested in hearing more about how you planned a pocketbook-friendly Fiesta Bowl. Give me a call at 602-444-6937 or email rebekah.sanders@arizonarepublic.com.
Thanks!
Rebekah L. Sanders, Arizona Republic reporter

by AZRep on Dec 23, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

While at Four Peaks.....

be sure to check out what is one of the best beers in the world. It’s an dark red brew called “Kiltlifter” that has a high volume of alcohol and is loaded with great taste. Do yourself a favor and try it. But be careful – it’s strong!

Cale Self

University of Georgia
Brevard Music Center
www.allhailcale.blogspot.com

by allhailcale on Dec 12, 2008 1:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Vegas then Fiesta

Lining up a great rate – flight and hotel in Vegas and then to Fiesta.

by texascfo on Dec 12, 2008 2:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is a possibly cheaper option

The aforementioned father figure and some of my roommates are going to Vegas a few days beforehand, and then driving down for the game. The flights to Vegas are much cheaper, and with gas prices, the extra driving doesn’t add to much to the cost. A possibly cheaper option, might want to look into it.

by ryanlionrah on Dec 12, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hotel Advice

This coming from someone who work has worked in the hotel industry for the past 4 years. If can gather up 20-30 people who are friends or from BON, call a few hotels and see what you can get on group rate, it is usually much cheaper, but it will depend the hotel’s projected occupancy for those nights.

If you don’t like to call, Marriott has pretty quick and easy website for this purpose

by Hookem4life84 on Dec 12, 2008 2:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Glendale Marriott Hotels

The Glendale Residence Inn & SpringHill Suites by Marriott still has rooms available. These 2 brand new hotels are located within walking distance to the Stadium and the Westage Center which features many bars and restaurants. See the below links and contact informaiton:

www.residenceinnglendale.com (623) 772-8900

www.springhillsuitesglendale.com (623) 772-9200

by fiestabowl on Dec 15, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Library

Just keep your eyes up, not down, to avoid the guyfest.

And I second the Scottsdale suggestion; it’s not too far from Tempe, so you can still check out Mill Ave. It’s also got a decent nightlife of its own.

by jc25 on Dec 12, 2008 3:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Phoenix recommendations

I’ve had to spend several different weeks in Phoenix for work in the last year—

Definitely stop in at Ranch Market (a gargantuan supermercado) for a cheap taco and some browsing—it’s like Whole Foods meets Fiesta meets a giant party. But better.

The best restaurant I’ve found is Chelsea’s Kitchen, up in north Phoenix on Camelback Rd. It’s casual fine dining/upscale comfort food, in a cool building with a great patio. And the wine list rules.

The Welcome Diner is a miniscule metal diner building (from the 1930s I think) that serves great burgers and fries, daytime only.

MacAlpine’s is a neat old-fashioned soda fountain, and they have pretty good food too.

Seriously everyone we talked to told us to go to a place called Matt’s Big Breakfast. Sadly, we haven’t a chance yet, but it is supposed to be amazing.

The Rose and Crown Pub is near downtown Phoenix and the downtown ASU branch. It has good beers on tap and is in a lovely historic house. Next door is a pizza place that is supposedly really good.

The downtown main library is a stunning modern building. I wish Austin would design something so bold (whenever they get around to buiding the new library), but I bet they will not. In fact, Phoenix is chock-full of great contemporary architecture, as well as a ton of excellent mid-century architecture.

by crocodile235 on Dec 12, 2008 3:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Those driving: Don't forget Tucson!

Tucson is only a couple hours drive from Phoenix, so if you want a (much) cheaper room and your willing to drive to the game in the morning it’s a great option. You will also find the babes of the U of A and you’ll want to hit up 4th street (Tucson’s 6th street if you will) downtown or the Catus Moon on Craycroft and Broadway (hot spot). Downtown Tucson is right off I-10, so it’s not hard at all to get up north. Hope this helps! BTW – I am from Austin but am stationed in Tucson.

by bpeterson82 on Dec 12, 2008 4:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Staying in Tempe

We have game tickets, hotel and airlines lined up. We will see you in AZ. There are still too many people around here whining over the BCS crap. You need to get over YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEMS and support this team that has had a fantastic year.

by 71grad on Dec 12, 2008 4:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hotel Rec

I was in Tempe last December on business and stayed at The Mission Palms.

It’s walking distance to all of the Mill St. action in Tempe, just off of campus, so the scenery is obscene, and very nice. Don’t remember the price since it was business, but if you’re looking for something good, I’d highly recommend it.

by ctex80 on Dec 12, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Texas Exes Phoenix Chapter

The Texas Exes Phoenix Chapter is planning a few events for Exes from all over the country. They will post events on their web page (google it, as I can’t remember the site address). The LA Chapter did a good job for both the Rose Bowl and the Championship games.

by dschmidt14 on Dec 12, 2008 11:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

here is a ...

Link

Perhaps the most recognizable mascot in sports, and certainly the toughest looking, Bevo is a fixture

by run Bevo run on Dec 13, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great info....

Roll call…I’m in section 436 nosebleed. Based on this blog, I’ve changed my hotel to get closer to downtown.

by Craven Morehead on Dec 13, 2008 10:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

What a freakin' brutal drive this is gonna be

from Lubbock to Phoenix……guess I’ll have to listen to Peterotica, as read by Betty White.

by Craven Morehead on Dec 13, 2008 10:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm driving too...

…from Corpus Christi. I drove to the Holiday Bowl last year in San Diego and really enjoyed the drive. I got to appreciate my XM radio and I had my dogs for company. We did a little hiking, climbed buttes and chased pronghorns!
We are sitting in section 113 row 5 on the goal line and will be tailgating in the Red VIP parking lot. I’m not sure if this section is designated Texas or Ohio State, does anyone know?
Anyone out there pitch washers? Got skills? Come say hello…

GO 'HORNS GO!
CPF

by patriks10 on Dec 14, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow, that's a long way

Hey Craven and Patriks,
Wanna tell me about your road trip plans? I’m a reporter for the Arizona Republic looking for visitors doing the Fiesta Bowl on a budget. With the price of gas now, I bet driving will save you some serious money. Give me a call at 602-444-6937 or email rebekah.sanders@arizonarepublic.com.
Thanks!
Rebekah L. Sanders, Arizona Republic reporter

by AZRep on Dec 23, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

PHX/Scottsdale/Tempe Demographics

I have spent a ton of time in the area, a few observations:

PHX: Not the most exciting city on the planet, but you have to put yourself in a position to succeed, as its so spread out, you could wander forever. I agree that a rental car is nice, BUT they are serious about drunk driving (as they should be), so I think you should just plan to spend a lot on cabs.

If you are college aged, then Tempe is a pretty darn attractive place to focus. The bars are good and the girls are cute. But I think the city gets pretty un-interesting at about 25 years old. Tempe is dominated by an undergraduate heavy school…its nothing like Texas, with its high percentage of grad students (particularly the couple thousand hard drinking MBA/Law students). When I went for the fiesta bowl about 10ish years ago (whenever we played Penn State), I felt old. I was just under 30 then. By the way, I will probably actually stay in Tempe b/c its by the airport…I just wont go out in Tempe.

If you are not college-aged, I strongly recommend Scottsdale. The food is pretty good (hard not to love Az-Mex), and the bars are pretty fun. Its an older crowd for sure, but its a reasonable mix. Last time I was there, we went to a gourmet burger shop called sliders, met 4 friends, started doing shots at the Saddle Ranch (which had a mechanical bull that the girls started riding), ran into a pack of strippers who consumed more shots and then gave everyone lap dances (clothed). Memorable night, and It took me two days to recover.

Los Dos Molinos has great food.

See you guys there.

Horn of Plenty

by Horn_of_Plenty on Dec 13, 2008 6:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I live in Phoenix...

…and it is crucial that you designate a driver or keep the drinking to a minimum when driving in Phoenix! I spent most of my adult life in Austin and there is no comparison…the cops and drinking laws around here are brutal!

During the 2007 National Championship week, we made our way to Tempe to find some pregame gatherings and found nothing. Old Scottsdale was much better…matter of fact, we accidentally came across the Florida pep rally and had a great time (even though I was sporting my Longhorn jersey). Ohio State’s pep rally was held at the Diamondbacks stadium…I kinda expected the Longhorns to do the same this year, but haven’t heard of anything yet.

Another point I want to bring up is you can’t sell tickets around the University of Phoenix stadium, or in Glendale, for that matter. I don’t know if they enforce this rule, but would hate for any fan to get caught up in some sort of trouble right before the game.

Traffic around the valley in the winter is horrible enough without a Bowl game because of the snow birds (people) who migrate here from the North to keep warm. Make sure you leave yourself ample time to get from point A to point B.

We’re looking forward to seeing the Longhorns and fans in January! If you have any questions about the valley, feel free to email me!

Hook ’Em!

by lauraj on Dec 14, 2008 7:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Marriott Hotels in Glendale, AZ. Walk to the Stadium!

Why stay in Tempe, when you can stay in Glendale and walk to the stadium! The Glendale Westgate Center is full of new bars and restaurants. The Glendale Residence Inn & SpringHill Suites by Marriott still has rooms available. These 2 brand new hotels are within walking distance to the Stadium & the Westgate Center. See the below website & contact info.

www.residenceinnglendale.com (623) 772-8900

www.springhillsuitesglendale.com (623) 772-9200

by fiestabowl on Dec 15, 2008 11:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tempe Hotels

Tempe is the place to stay as not only are there many thing going on within the City but it is centrally located wihin the Phoenix Metro area and very close to the Airport.

The hotel you should look into is the Sheraton Four Points In Tempe, Hotel was recentely fully renovated and is offering a very attractive package which includes a breakfast for two.

Check out the following links for more info:

http://www.starwoodmeeting.com/StarGroupsWeb/res?id=0812082350&key=67B07
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g31377-d1018372-Reviews-Four_Points_by_Sheraton_Tempe-Tempe_Arizona.html

by HotelGuru on Dec 16, 2008 2:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What is up

With the hotel advertising SPAM?

by Wells on Dec 16, 2008 2:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hotels near Fiesta Bowl Stadium (Glendale) or in Tempe

People have been mentioning the best areas of town to stay in. Here are some useful resource links for finding current hotel availability
click here for Hotels near Stadium (Glendale)

Or if you prefer, there is more social activity centered in the Tempe area …
click here for Hotels in Tempe

Hope you find this useful!

by LonghornAZ on Dec 16, 2008 3:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ok, seriously

Stop allowing posts to this thread, it is just getting annoying.

by Wells on Dec 16, 2008 9:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Staying Downtown.....

I am heading out to Phoenix for the Insight and Fiesta bowl I found a great rate of $89.00 @ the Holiday Inn Phoenix Downtown North right next to the Light rail stop (Drops you off @ the block party). I checked on Trip Adviser and found this to be a deal… See you in AZ…..

http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/cwshome/DPRD-7M9SZN/PHXOS/website/

by IVNIK8 on Dec 18, 2008 1:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Phoenix Area

You can tailgate in Glendale (tents and all)

You can sell/buy tickets in the designated area only…However, but you will see people walking around selling them with no hassle from the police. Buyer beware when buying from people not in the designated area.

Don’t drink and drive in Phoenix (10 days min in tent city — Sheriff Joe has a saying…. came on vacation, left on probation).

Do not speed in Phoenix, we have speed cameras on every freeway in the Valley. They trigger at 9-10 MPH over the posted limit.

Younger crowd parties in Tempe. Older crowd in Scottsdale. The area around the Stadium is getting better in terms of amenities, they have bars at Westgate and Arrowhead.

by hornitosmonster on Dec 29, 2008 11:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Holy Sh*$

There really is a ten day minimum for DUI convictions in AZ! Be uber safe everyone!

by UTexasCPA on Dec 30, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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