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Why are we accusing OU of bad sportsmanship?

Oklahoma "blow-out" games:

Chattanooga (57-2), 4th quarter points - 0
Cincinnati (52-26), 4th quarter points - 10
Washington (55-14), 4th quarter points - 7
TCU (35-10), 4th quarter points - 0
Baylor (49-17), 4th quarter points - 7
KState (58-35), 4th quarter points - 3
Nebraska (62-28), 4th quarter points - 0
A&M (66-28), 4th quarter points - 0
Tech (65-21), 4th quarter points - 7

Total OU 4th quarter points: 34 (3.7 points per game)

Texas "blow-out" games:

Florida Atlantic (52-10), 4th quarter points - 10
UTEP (42-13), 4th quarter points - 14
Rice (52-10), 4th quarter points - 14
Arkansas (52-10), 4th quarter points - 7
@Colorado (38-14), 4th quarter points - 3
Missouri (56-31), 4th quarter points - 14
Baylor (45-21), 4th quarter points - 3
Kansas (35-7), 4th quarter points - 0
A&M (49-9), 4th quarter points - 21

Total Texas 4th quarter points: 86 (9.5 points per game)

 

And in the Mizzou game they were chasing history against a conference foe

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Several things...

1.) You should not only look at points scored, but also how long the starters are left in. I don’t think anyone here is a proponent of kneeling on the ball for the entire 4th quarter, which would be the only way to not run up the score in your analysis. But when a team is throwing fades up 34, with their starting QB, with less than 5 minutes to play, yes, I consider that running up the score.

2.) I notice that you completely left the Missouri game off of your list for OU. That total was 21. Even if you want to offer the defense for the Mizzou game that you do, it seems rather disingenuous to leave it completely off of the list, no?

3.) Speaking of the defense for the Missouri game…chasing a statistical anomaly is not the same thing as chasing history. And a rationalization is not the same thing as a reason.

4.) Noticed that you just joined BON today, and this is the first thing that you’ve posted. If I wasn’t a trusting man, I’d say you might be an okie in Horns clothing. If not, then at least quite the contrarian for your first day.

by ctex80 on Dec 14, 2008 6:18 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

check it

Sammy rules. That’s academic.
But you guys are pathetic. We have beaten you down so frequently over the past years, why don’t you get ok with it? You’ve given us bush, irac, oil rape, and unjust death penalty, just to mention a few. Stop bitchin about O.U. and INTROSPECT. You are almost always on the side of evil. Repent and change your cheesy ways. Stoops and Sammy are here regulate. Seek the forgiveness of the world and shut up. Thank God for the Sooners.

 TY

nec timeo. nec sperno.

by meandaddy on Dec 15, 2008 7:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll bite

Let me see…you guys gave us a bonafide terrorman in Tim McVeigh.

And last I checked, not a single president.

And as for oil, not a lot of room to talk with your oil pump wasteland and fields upon fields of buried drilling equipment and tanks.

You better bring something better next time, prick.

‘Cause you don’t know from “mean daddy”, punk.

by TXStampede on Dec 15, 2008 8:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Oklahoma gave Texas Darrell K. Royal...

The man was born in Hollis, Oklahoma. The man played football for yours truly, the University of Oklahoma. The man learned from the best, Bud Wilkinson…….BOOMER!

by EnragedOUfan on Dec 16, 2008 5:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Texas welcomes refugees from far more inhospitable locales

As well as provides the majority of the players on any OU football team, not to mention jobs for a majority of OU’s graduates.

I’m all for on field rivalries, but for an Oklahoman to disdain the state of Texas itself is amusing. It’s not unlike a fish who hates water.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Dec 16, 2008 7:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yours truly?

Shouldn’t that refer to a person not an institution? Unless you were coaching Royal at the time?

by Wells on Dec 16, 2008 7:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank God for cheating.

Is what you mean. Isn’t it sad that your state and school’s entire history is based upon cheating the system? A sooner calling others out on morality is hysterical.

by seth78 on Dec 15, 2008 8:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank us now and for ever.

Transistors, integrated circuits, CCD,s and a hosts of other inventions you okies need to watch day time television while you’re cooking meth.

by Xerxes on Dec 16, 2008 8:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

I'm just an objective supporter

The BCS wasn’t on our side this year, that sucks. Let’s not whine, as that’s not what we stand for, and let’s not point out irrelevant stuff. Let’s take care of the Buckeyes and hope for a split AP title.

HOOK EM \. ./

by castorinho on Dec 14, 2008 6:30 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We should have Billyzane track his IP...

If it’s from a trailer park, we’ve got our answer.

by ctex80 on Dec 14, 2008 7:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't tell, since there is a colorable argument

If you take the season as a whole one could make a decent argument that the “OU runs up the score” meme was overblown.

I think it is somewhat more accurate to say that Big Game Bob was primarily concerned about hanging as many points as possible on the ranked teams (see going for it on 4th and 7 on the TCU 35 with 5 minutes left; the Mizzou game) and didn’t care as much against lesser competition. New guy may not be a sooner, and may be relying too much on one dimensional reference points.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Dec 14, 2008 7:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea go away sooner

my first born shall be named vy

by hookemkp on Dec 14, 2008 7:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

check it

Sammy rules. That’s academic.
But you guys are pathetic. We have beaten you down so frequently over the past years, why don’t you get ok with it? You’ve given us bush, irac, oil rape, and unjust death penalty, just to mention a few. Stop bitchin about O.U. and INTROSPECT. You are almost always on the side of evil. Repent and change your cheesy ways. Stoops and Sammy are here regulate. Seek the forgiveness of the world and shut up. Thank God for the Sooners.

nec timeo. nec sperno.

by meandaddy on Dec 15, 2008 7:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Repeating it doesn't make it sound any smarter

F yourself.

"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."

by bendj on Dec 15, 2008 11:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes

When I think of really clever things, I like to share them with as many people as possible, so I’ll copy and paste them in different places. However, even if it’s really clever, I’ll refrain from doing so within the same forum, because that’s just obnoxious. What I find shocking is that someone might copy/paste not with some hilarious quip or brilliant introspection, but rather mundane tripe like this garbage. Seriously, what about this abomination against the English language did you find worthy enough to repost in different threads?

Oh yeah, and SCOREBOARD.

by Meekrob on Dec 16, 2008 8:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

STOOP is CLASSLESS

I wasn’t talking about Stoops, who is straight up CLASSLESS off the field, NO ARGUMENT. But I don’t think they run up the score. I might just delete this thread since people think I’m a troll.

by castorinho on Dec 14, 2008 7:42 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you present yourself as a troll

As it was pointed out you join today and then this is what you have to post.

The thing that I don’t quite understand is that you make a defense for the Mizzou blatant running up of the score that it is a “conference opponent with a record on the line” and yet Texas’ game against TAMU is left in though it was “a rivalry game with a nat. championshiop bid on the line”

I’m not going to say you’re an OU fan but you sure presented yourself in a manner that would suggest that you are at the very least not a texas fan

by andmyster on Dec 14, 2008 8:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does this mean...

that axelrod has some free time on his hands now, or is okie learning astroturfing on their own?

by Pflash on Dec 14, 2008 9:24 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even though the poster makes a horrible argument

Perhaps we can be a little more hospitable than this, even though the comments are funny.

by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 14, 2008 11:46 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From a Sooners fan...

What are you guys’ thoughts on the 2005 Texas-Colorado Big 12 championship game……. 70-3??

by EnragedOUfan on Dec 15, 2008 2:15 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

0 points scored by UT or Colorado in the 4th quarter of that game

I’ve got nothing against blowouts in college football but keeping your starters in the game with minutes left, in a blowout, just to put up 60+ and your coach has a huge smirk on his face…doesn’t sit well with me. Mack will demolish a team for three solid quarters and maybe take out most of them by the middle to the end of the third. Then he puts in the backups and runs it down the opponent’s throat to run down the clock. If the second or third team guys score then they score but they do it on the ground. They’re not throwing up bombs like OU did against Mizzou.

by seth78 on Dec 15, 2008 3:05 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another Sooner fan bringing this up?

I already addressed this on CCmachine. It wasn’t anything like Missouri vs. OU. Texas had 70 points midway through the third and then stopped, not to mention playing backups nobody had heard of. That’s a wee bit different than Bradford hitting a first down pass at the goalline on a third and long to begin the fourth quarter.

by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 15, 2008 4:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The last pass thrown in that game by Texas

Was at the 14:53 mark at the start of the 3rd quarter.

We returned the kick, threw one pass, and then ran the ball the rest of the day. Compare that to the last pass thrown by OU against Mizzou.

I can only confirm that Vince played the first drive after halftime, but I know for sure that Matt Nordgren was in at Quarterback with at the very least 9:54 left on the clock in the third. If you are counting, thats roughly 25 minutes of game clock, or 42% of the game. Compare that with how long Bradford was in against Mizzou.

Colorado was just plain bad, and they were blown out before a point was scored.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 15, 2008 8:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's wrong with wanting to make history?

Seriously, if the Texas football team was on pace to set the record for 5 consecutive games with 60+ points and to be the new team to score the most points in FBS history, would Mack Brown not allow it? OU was on the verge of making history during the Mizzou game, and I’m proud that they were able to accomplish it. Plus, I’m happy that the players especially the seniors will leave OU knowing that what they were able to accomplish this year was amazing. But of course none of you like this because you’re Texas fans. Thats what makes this rivalry so great. Our hatred for each other is good for the soul……..
 
“UT flies banners, OU hangs banners”…….BOOMER!

by EnragedOUfan on Dec 15, 2008 4:23 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's wrong in that it is unsportsmanlike and artificial

Believe me, in 2005, if we wanted to be jerks about it, we could posted 100 on a few teams (Kansas, at 52-0 at halftime, as well as Colorado in the Big 12 title game come to mind), as well as roll up a lot more on some other schools… including Oklahoma. Forty five points was very, very merciful in that game.

I think the whole “OU runs up the score” complaint is a bit overblown, but don’t kid yourself and think that other teams in the past could not have done so if they similarly wished to balloon their scores (at the expense of solid defense and special teams; perhaps OU likes to give up special teams touchdowns so they can get the ball back quickly and score 60 to impress dumb voters).

"UT flies banners, OU hangs banners"

UT wins on the field, OU wins with ignorant voters and a convoluted system.

by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 15, 2008 4:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

He shoots...he scores!

Hey enraged…Billy Sims must be the pride and joy of OU today. Way to allow Sam the ability to enjoy his moment. Good heavens…even I was uncomfortable listening to his 11 “Boomers” before Sam said a word.

by Mulliganville on Dec 15, 2008 3:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you're happy...

that OU backed into a Big XII title game? You’re happy that OU’s success this year was literally given to them by voters who voted Texas down to 6th and even 7th place in the polls in order to help OU jump Texas to get them to KC? I wouldn’t be. I guess that’s how we’re different. I like seeing my team earn their trophies and you like seeing yours steal them.

by seth78 on Dec 15, 2008 5:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What banners?

OU is 1-5 in its last bowl games and about to be 1-6. Are you talking about OU hanging its Holiday Bowl victory banner? OU’s 2000 Title was with Coach Blake’s recruits. So IMO Stoops still dosen’t have a title.

ATX

by Atownatx on Dec 16, 2008 9:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TheElusiveShadow...

“UT wins on the field, OU wins with the ignorant voters and a convoluted system.”

Tell me, how much ground did Texas gain in the human polls after destroying Texas A&M due to Mack Brown’s politics? Or even Mack Brown’s telephone interview during the OU-OSU game? Or UT alumni/fans purchasing airplanes to fly banners? If there is anything wrong with the BCS system, its the human element due to the fact that humans can be persuaded. I was quite amazed on how much ground Texas gained in the final rankings after they played an unranked team with a losing record at home compared to the Sooners who beat a top 15 ranked team on the road. Thats why I like the unbiased computers. And besides, you should point your anger towards Florida, didn’t the computers have Texas ranked ahead of Florida? Texas did beat more ranked teams than the Gators, didn’t they? Didn’t Texas have a stronger strength of schedule than Florida? Thank the humans. And no one can take away the fact that UT beat OU. But as Stoops said during the BCS selection show, the rules are in fine print at the beginning of the season and every team competing obviously agrees to follow them. The mighty Big 12 south had three teams with identical records, except the three teams beat and lost to each other. And a loss is a loss. It doesn’t matter if OU destroyed Tech, or UT beat OU in Dallas, or Tech beat UT by a miracle last second touchdown. The final result was that three teams were tied, therefore in my eyes the losses are invalid to use as an argument. But that is something that OU and UT fans will never see eye to eye on. In the eyes of Texas fans, you will always feel that you were robbed where as in my eyes, I feel the rules served their purpose……BOOMER!

by EnragedOUfan on Dec 15, 2008 5:38 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We had a stronger strength of schedule than OU as well...

And the Texas complaint about the polls is that OU never should have been ahead in the first place. The movement in the last week was just some voters realizing they had screwed up. Unfortunately, not enough of them did.

Sadly, Mizzou losing to Kansas and Colorado losing to Nebraska are what ultimately undid us.

by jw4425 on Dec 15, 2008 7:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You get the gold star.

So few people actually realize that were it not for a 57 yard field goal, and MIzzou choking the game away late to Kansas, all of this would have been academic, and we’d be playing for a title.

by ctex80 on Dec 15, 2008 7:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Computers
Thats why I like the unbiased computers.

Horn Brain has successfully debunked this time and time again (see the many arguments against Billingsley, Richard). What’s funny is that four score and seven years ago, the CFBites were clamoring that the computers played too big a role in determining the rankings; thus, we bumped up the human element.

As for how the computers are still a bit misguided, please read Huck’s outstanding article over at BC. His system isn’t perfect, sure, but it’s an interesting analysis at the deficiencies of our current computer system.

by jc25 on Dec 15, 2008 10:05 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Billingsley aside

I dont have a problem with the computers. His is the reason precisely that outliers get tossed, and should continue to be tossed. As I posted some time ago here, Id rather ditch the humans altogether and introduce more computer polls with some guidelines to try and maintain some quality control.

The computers pick the top two teams at the end of everything just fine.

Go to Colley Matrix, and remove OU over Missouri and add in a hypothetical Texas over Missouri.

You get
1. Oklahoma > Texas
2. Texas > Florida
3. Florida > Oklahoma

The problem is using the systems with insufficient data, and then basing a championship game on it.

Naturally I also like Colley’s bias free method, and the fact that his algorithm is available and transparent.

by BoddickerIsClutch on Dec 15, 2008 10:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my issue with computers...

seems like we all always agree that in college football the transitive property just doesn’t work. Every year you see some form of that pushed to the ridiculous – Duke > Florida or somesuch…

and we always laugh and, like I said, all agree that it just does not work that way… then turn it over to computers who, basically, use that to determine who the “best” team is…

Sometimes it seems to work out better than the human vote, sometimes not… in the end, I think they should use a lot more different computers, 100 or more, what the heck. Then narrow it down to the top 8 (or even 16) and let them play it off. Until it’s actually determined on the field, it’ll always be figure skating in cleats, no matter what judging system you use.

by Pflash on Dec 16, 2008 12:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you see the insanity in your statement?

The simple fact that a game between two second tier teams is affecting UT at all is RIDICULOUS.

by Mulliganville on Dec 15, 2008 3:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OU Still Sux

And you’re going to get cornholed in the MNC. So, enjoy that.

"Stats are for losers, I like winning games"
". . .switzer is a cracked out bitch . . ."-osu poster

by 98horn on Dec 15, 2008 9:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just wonder...

Had OU beat Texas on the field and it was down to the two of us if you would believe “the rules served their purpose.” Do not kid yourself. You liked the result…not the rules.

by Mulliganville on Dec 15, 2008 3:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I couldn't be happier...

OU has won 3 Big 12 championships in a row. OU is now home to 5 Heisman trophy winners. However, I do not believe that Texas was cheated. It was a freaking 3-way tie. And I like the rules. And the BCS :) …BOOMER!

by EnragedOUfan on Dec 16, 2008 2:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Texas was definitely cheated

Truth be told, probably much more so by the Florida lovers than the whole Big 12 championship mess. But we were snubbed, and everyone knows that.

by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 16, 2008 5:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're joking, right?

The story wasn’t the ground that the Horns had to REGAIN after the A&M game. The story was THE FACT OKLAHOMA JUMPED TEXAS before they even played Texas Tech. Some voters thought better of it later and changed their vote, but after OU destroyed Tech, voters jumped them back on top. Even Robert Smith on ESPN noticed how ridiculous the voting trends were.

The fact that Texas regained points against OU was probably due to the fact that people knew that the rules would decide the Big 12 title, and sat down and tried to think a little harder about their decision (and also perhaps looking at OU’s defense and special teams, although few voters probably did that).

If you think Mack’s interview did anything, you need to get over yourself. All he did was come on and comment on the game (said both were “great” teams so he wasn’t surprised it was a close game) and talked about Texas. That was it. What about Stoops giving his retard logic “If you can’t put us ahead of Texas, you can’t put them ahead of Texas Tech?” What if I just sit here and declare that made a huge difference?

I will agree that the BCS voters are human and can be persuaded. That’s not exactly the issue; after all, that’s just common knowledge. The issue is that they can be persuaded by wooden box scores and emotion rather than careful examination of the teams and their games. So I’m not mad at Florida and I’m not even that mad at Oklahoma; I’m mad at how stupid many of the voters are.

Don’t lie to yourself; you know the rules are awful but you’re just thankful that it worked out in your favor this time. I would be thankful too, but I wouldn’t be an idiot and declare the rules were therefore grand. I’m thankful, for instance, that the rules are set up such that Texas at least gets a BCS bowl bid. That doesn’t mean I don’t think the conference limit rule that screwed Texas Tech is a good rule, because it isn’t.

by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 15, 2008 4:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

I'm not joking...

“The story wasn’t the ground that the Horns had to REGAIN after the A&M game. The story was THE FACT OKLAHOMA JUMPED TEXAS before they even played Texas Tech. Some voters thought better of it later and changed their vote, but after OU destroyed Tech, voters jumped them back on top. Even Robert Smith on ESPN noticed how ridiculous the voting trends were.”

I can’t recall OU jumping Texas before the Texas Tech game. I can’t see how it would even be possible. I do however remember OU jumping Texas in both the Harris and coaches polls after OU obliterated Tech. That I do remember. And obviously, it took the only quality road win among the three tied schools for OU to even jump Texas in the computers.

“If you think Mack’s interview did anything, you need to get over yourself. All he did was come on and comment on the game (said both were "great" teams so he wasn’t surprised it was a close game) and talked about Texas. That was it. What about Stoops giving his retard logic "If you can’t put us ahead of Texas, you can’t put them ahead of Texas Tech?" What if I just sit here and declare that made a huge difference?”

How is Stoops logic retarded?? It makes total sense to me. Tech beat UT, but yet Texas fans excluded them from the argument.

“Don’t lie to yourself; you know the rules are awful but you’re just thankful that it worked out in your favor this time. I would be thankful too, but I wouldn’t be an idiot and declare the rules were therefore grand. I’m thankful, for instance, that the rules are set up such that Texas at least gets a BCS bowl bid. That doesn’t mean I don’t think the conference limit rule that screwed Texas Tech is a good rule, because it isn’t.”

I never said nor do I think the rule is “grand.” I do however believe that because it was made obviously before the season, it must be followed. As to the Big 12 championship determining factor, I think they should keep the scheduling between the Big 12 north and south as is but send the two teams with the best records to the title game. With this, undeserving teams such as a then 3 loss Mizzou team wouldn’t get the nod over a 1 loss OU, UT, or Tech team. But in situations where there are three tied teams, the BCS standings could determine whom the top 2 ranked tied teams are and could send them to the title game……..BOOMER!

by EnragedOUfan on Dec 16, 2008 2:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

response
As to the Big 12 championship determining factor, I think they should keep the scheduling between the Big 12 north and south as is but send the two teams with the best records to the title game. With this, undeserving teams such as a then 3 loss Mizzou team wouldn’t get the nod over a 1 loss OU, UT, or Tech team. But in situations where there are three tied teams, the BCS standings could determine whom the top 2 ranked tied teams are and could send them to the title game……..BOOMER!

I’ll agree with this. Too bad the North would raise quite a ruckus if this was proposed.

I can’t recall OU jumping Texas before the Texas Tech game. I can’t see how it would even be possible.

They did in the coach’s poll and weren’t far behind in the Harris poll. Check the votes here.

I do however remember OU jumping Texas in both the Harris and coaches polls after OU obliterated Tech. That I do remember. And obviously, it took the only quality road win among the three tied schools for OU to even jump Texas in the computers.

Texas was eventually put back ahead of OU in the coach’s poll before the Tech game, but the damage was done and the voters’ credibility was already shot to Hell. In fact, many people speculated the voters only did so after they got drilled for it. This is why people are calling for transparency every single week. We aren’t talking about the computers here; we’re talking about votes, which means we’re talking about the humans (which is what all this “running up the score” business is about, since the computers ignore margin of victory or total points scored).

How is Stoops logic retarded?? It makes total sense to me. Tech beat UT, but yet Texas fans excluded them from the argument.

I’ve dealt with this argument numerous times at CCmachine. Texas fans HAVE NO SUCH POWER to exclude anyone. The power that excluded Texas Tech was the BCS itself. Texas fans merely acted prudently, knowing full well that in the case of a three way tie that only two teams had a realistic shot at the nod. We built our case against OU, as OU tried to build their case against us. OU fans out of the corner of their mouth tried to pretend Tech was relevant in a three way tie even though not a single OU fan ever made a case for them winning the tiebreak, even though I have asked OU fans numerous times to do so. This was, in fact, a two-horse race. In any case, this is a dead issue now.

Stoops logic was retarded because it assumed that all three teams were on equal footing and it was just a blanket statement that simply restated the problem: We have a three-way tie. It wasn’t much of an argument and he was obviously advocating for OU to leap Texas… but how come? Wouldn’t his logic simply backfire? It was just useless comment.

by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 16, 2008 5:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OU always wins in the trailer parks....

apparently swept 100% of the trailer park heisman vote….

by SneezyBeltran on Dec 15, 2008 8:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I poop on the OU fans who post here...

Are you own blogs and boards not good enough?

I poop on you!

by HornigStrega on Dec 15, 2008 7:40 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah,

they’re just making the most of their only shit talking window for the year, the month between the Big12 Title game and the MNC game.

by ctex80 on Dec 15, 2008 7:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HornigStrega...

“I poop on the OU fans who post here…”

I am simply here to have an adult conversation about college football. Now obviously I am the enemy. However, enemies can be civil to each other. But in your case you seem to have yet reached the adolecent stage so I’ll keep my comments directed more towards adults……….BOOMER!

by EnragedOUfan on Dec 16, 2008 2:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One other thing

Besides the run-up on Missouri, don’t forget the last play of the game against OSU, when OU scored on a running play with 13 seconds to go. The OSU defense wasn’t expecting a play at all, clearly. Any team with, yes, sportsmanship, would have had the QB take a knee and end the game. But not OU, not Stoops. The man is a pig.

by NYCHorn on Dec 15, 2008 12:33 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looking into it deeper

I did chart out the times that the starting quarterbacks stayed in the game. I took the scores at the beginning of the 4th quarter and threw out all the games of either team that were competitive ( the score was less than 14 points after 3 quarters). OU had 2 games and Texas had 3. I threw out the 4 non conference games because both teams pulled were way ahead and did pull the starters. OU generally in mid 3rd quarter and Texas late 3rd quarter. In the conference games OU left in Bradford deep into the 4th quarter (More than half the quarter) even though they way ahead in five games of the 9 against conference teams. If two of those were competitive and bradford needed to stay to try to actually win there were only 2 games where he was out because OU had pretty much won. So of the 7 blowouts OU had this year bradford stayed in until past the mid point of the 4th quarter in 5 of those.

On the other hand Texas does have the Kansas game where McCoy stayed in until late in the 4th quarter leading 35-7. But on the whole of the 5 games that Texas was wining handily McCoy was out at the very beginning of the 4th in 4 of those. The difference in 4th quarter points is that Texas had 3 games were the game was decided in the 4th and OU had one

The number of points scored in the 4th quarter does not mean much (except maybe Bradford was less effective in the 4th and Halzle was worse). McCoy was in late in the 4th in the Kansas game and didn’t score a point. In some of the others Chiles scored points. Just to give an example in the A&M game, Chiles was in for 1 scores and McCoy was in 2 scores but second it happened with 12:22 left in the 4th and Chiles came in for the last possessions. The same for the Missouri game McCoy scored one in the 4th and was out at 11:29 to go and Chiles was in for the last score. In the Rice game McCOy was out the entire 4th Chiles was in for both scores.For Utep McCoy scored once in the 4th and was out with 13:38 to go, Chiles was in for the last score. So you can see the 2nd string was in for 5 td’s in those those “blow out”games. You don’t run up the score by using your 2nd string. What kind of team do you have if the 2nd string can score as well as the 1st string on the conference champ?

If you look at the play by play of all the games which I did, you see Bradford in the games late in the 4th with a insurmountable leads and still throwing passes. In the 4 games OU pulled Bradoford his sub Halzle they mostly ran the ball. When Chiles was in Texas tended to run mostly but ran some pass plays. You would say that this was to get some experience for the 2nd string and to see Chiles play.

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